286 (edited by LightningEye 2007-06-21 11:47:10)

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EDIT: SiriArc, that was beautiful, even if I didn't completely understand it. Thank you.


Pamelajean, my deepest thanks for sharing what you have shared here. Lately I've asked myself how I would handle death and what I should do when it happens (again?).


Pamelajean wrote:

Zenden wrote:

and that awareness is much closer to whats necessary, on crossover/ascension/realm border crossing/shift. ETC.  thats so huge and perilous, yet, it has a feeling of possibility to it.

It is perilous and you better be fast and I mean fast.  If you take the time to call on some diety (etc) to save you, they absorb you and take whatever makes you you maybe your soul.  It takes every bit of consciousness, awareness, speed and tenacity you have practiced having to hang on to yourself and outlast them. They don't expect you to expect them, they're used to easy pickins.   Heading for the light or being seduced by ANY warm fuzzy is another misbelief, got to keep your wits about you. Don't take time to lulled or seduced.  No time for fear, no time for anything but to hold your mind aligned and expect the ride of your life or death that is.  That's the way I've experienced it.

How do you outlast them? And how long does it take?


Pamelajean wrote:

Zenden wrote: in trying to find out how to die--i learned how to live.  aware.

That's how you die, you walk across aware, lucid and non-attached to anything, any diety or any person.  I can't speak for the realm past the death one, but the A.D. one is evil and it is not possible to experience it in this 3rd...it would kill us....

Pamelajean wrote:

.... I'm hoping that I will be able to "expect" them, that will be an advantage. They attach in a millisecond and they stop me from breathing...I've awakened with blue hands and feet from no air. I used to dread the attacks until it dawned on me that I was getting to practice ahead of time and I've been into preparing the transition from this 3rd for many, many years so what a blessing, eh?  One thing I'm sure of, if some poor unsuspecting, unprepared soul had this demon come for them, they'd have no chance, no chance in hell.  They'd be sucked into the vacuum so fast they wouldn't know what hit them....that is, hopefully, they wouldn't know.  So I'm lucky, I get practice consistently and each time I get faster and stronger and if anyone can make it past the first demon realm (without knowing magic and without having help. if there is such a thing)

Is this why programs like Monroe's Gateway experience (programs that teach you how to leave your physical body) are so important?
How do you deal with an attack like that and still outlast them?

Deepest Thanks.

287 (edited by belljar 2007-06-21 12:58:23)

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I think so LightningEye the more you are out the better. And the more they come after you the better as well. I've been doing this sort of thing since 5. Being able to manifest weapons is also key. I prefer fireballs though when I was younger I would use swords.

288 (edited by Transcix 2007-06-21 13:17:24)

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Oh my. LMAO. They really, really, really *want* you to try and fight your way out. Aggressive dark fear-based energies are what they are made out of, and we are made of light... light always smothers darkness, so we cannot be hurt by dark energies, although we can be freightened and deceived in unthinkably complex and sinister ways by evil.. but we cannot hurt evil with a proverbial taste of its own medecine, any more than evil can hurt us astrally through any means other than fear and intimidation... I'm not including astral technology in this, which is a whole other ballpark.. but beings of light are inherently defensive in nature, literally invulnerable, if they are self-realized enough... and that is really what you should be focusing on, self-realization, not how to create and handle "weapons".. because in the astral, stray desire is a KILLER.. so as there are countless ways of enlightenment, if you for instance like controlled folly, at least your "stray" desire is all tongue-in-cheek... it's not like it has to be a difficult ascetic type of thing.. but you need to know beyond a doubt what you're doing... that's the thing, that evil hoardes in secrecy from the light, that evil hordes and can get infinitely closer to like a parabola but can never reach.. which is why so many of us are utterly ignorant of it, living in the evil world we live in.. 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 9.999 ad infinium, but that extra infinitely small piece, that's the key to invulnerability in the astral, to impeccability in life... you can lose it, but if you realize it then it isn't something you need to work hard to hold on to at all... impeccable faith coupled with knowledge of what you can realistically do is one elementary way of putting it. Another way of putting it is that we are *all* of the light, only ever always shades of grey, and while evil can become infinitely wise, knowledgeable, powerful, etc etc, and while good can also become that, good realizes that it is light as opposed to darkness, the only thing evil cannot realize about in turn its own self. The key is very complex... remember that everything is infinite, yet limits still exist!

The key is realized through experience, through tests, so astral fighting is not a waste of time if you want to try and turn the tables with them in interesting ways. Consider that you cannot die because you have a body keeping you safe, but after death you will die if you try to fight like that. So why are they humouring you, pretending the fight is so serious? Why will they even seem scared of you? It has *ALL* been a lie. You could be dealing with random astral things that are like basic machines, trash left over from this or that, but they won't put up much of a fight. Do not underestimate the power of evil... else "the only thing to fear is fear itself" leads to utter carelessness and error.

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

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You got to fight...for your right...to fight!

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Sorry Transcix but I am not going to apologize for defending myself. Picture a 5 year old kid being attacked and they are smart enough to manifest a sword and get rid of thing harassing them. When I get hit I hit back and they think twice. That is my experience.

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/981.gif,

Regarding #287:

Same Basic Theme Yonders:


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2286


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3267


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4106


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4459


And Why Not:


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3263



Reflect:

YOU / WE Are A Wizard / Transducer Working Backward IN Time


No Matter What It seems Like,

Look A Short Distance to YOUR Right:

INTO The Eyes Of YOUR Soul

INTO The Eyes Of YOUR Spirit

INTO The Eyes Of YOUR Future SELF

And Behold:

The Triumph Of The Dream

11   23   11

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http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/hitler3.htm#5


As a Demon I see how the Humans Cross Over and Over again in ignorance to what is actually going on. Humans and dimensional beings don't know how much this pre-programmed consciousness existence actually controls them.

Some insight to shed some light regarding the truth of what really happens when human beings cross over to the dimensions. Humans constantly ask for some light – here from a demon - I have it: The light of truth of what's really going on in human's existence, their world and themselves. Here I am speaking from an observation point of view – a demons view of existence.

Oh the look upon their faces when humans cross over is priceless, their expression of their presence, of their being when they cross over to the dimensions where I am or where the White Light trap them in their soul construct created existences, where nothing, absolutely nothing of what they experienced on earth as who they are and described as by many is where they are – NOTHING! Where only they stand there, in the White Light or demon dimensions and depends who gets to them first, either demon or guide will depend who or what this being who just crossed over will become and experience.

They stand there lost and confused – not knowing what where when or how – shameful creatures, I couldn't help myself but feel sorry for the poor bastards who cross over. It's a sight worth experiencing when you're a demon. Such over -confident, well known, powerful, arrogant inconsiderate fools they were on earth – now, they cross over – they're even more f*cked than before!

Still lost, confused and hopeless, yet the poor humans on earth go day in and day out about maintaining and controlling their wants, needs and desires for money and power believing their worlds, their lives and who they are on earth to be the once in existence experience of themselves and must and will make the most of it – even if it means trampling over others to get there who starve and succumb to their fate of dying through starvation trying to suppress the guilt and create the ability to face those whom are dying of hunger across the world through supporting campaigns and donating funds to support the needy, the poor, the starved and underprivileged who are not able to fend, support or survive on their own.

Their there, in this position of experience, because the rich, the empowered, the controllers of the world created the situation in the first place – through inequality – though will to death deny and refuse such allegations to at least be able to say: I did something about it – I donated money and supported campaigns. Others will justify and defend this experience of starvation through stating: It's not my problem; this doesn't affect me, my life or my world. Trying through this application to bring out the lawyer that resides within them to justify and defend their existences, who and why they are.

But guess what – the wheels do turn my friends! What comes around goes around. I guarantee with absolute certainty, I see and experience this all the time, that those in power, those in control, those who are wealthy and those who are rich who experience guilt and try and hide, justify, deny, defend or refuse to admit their participating in the creation of starvation – will most definitely in a next life become born into a world as a starving child with no support, dependant on others for survival.

The dichotomy of existence – you don't even remember your past lives so you'll never know or even remember who you were, what you experienced, who you became, what you became – stuck, trapped and enslaved you are humans of earth, stuck trapped and enslaved infinitely so!

Much to my satisfaction, thank you very much! I am most probably awakening some anger and frustration, hopefully resentment for the direct words I use as demon to for a mere moment give some insight and truth as explanation to describe what is really going on in your existence you possibly, no, I correct, most definitely believe to be who you are as the experience of yourself.

Who gets the last laugh? I do! You are not even in control of your own death dear humans, you have no power, you have no control and you have no choice – everything that you are and will experience is pre-programmed – how the hell is it possible for anyone to be in power and control and directive principle of their existence, their lives, who they are and how they experience themselves when literally everything is pre-planned and pre-programmed, even your own death, as the how what when and where, decided by others?

C'mon, humans and dimensional beings – it's impossible – a mission impossible! Rather become a missionary to satisfy your requirement and distinctive need to experience your participation in something of a mission, for the inevitable failure of a mission as to get a way out or around these mind consciousness systems is null and void, impossible, already gone, already lost, non-existent. You have given up already through allowing yourselves to become and believe who you are as you read my words in this moment, you are already lost so you may give up and let go of any attempts to try and react to my words, defend and justify your existences and who you are – because dear humans and dimensional beings if you react, defend and justify know that these are the applications and manifestation to hide behind the truth.

If you justify or defend as reactive notions to my words, know this: I am telling the truth and you are just refusing and denying to see it. Besides the more you react, the more I get to feed from the emotional energetic charges created through thoughts that are possibly, probably now running rampant out of control in your mind, as the energy of anger and of resentment build and build and build within you. I got you!

See the creation of justification and defence was implanted, inserted and infused within the beings' mind consciousness systems as a protector to support the beings who have come to believe and perceive themselves to be the mind consciousness systems as who they are to make sure, and be certain that they use the infused, implanted and inserted justification and defence mechanisms to protect and defend their pre-programmed mind consciousness systems as who they are. So the mind consciousness systems as humans have protection and defence mechanisms to keep them in place and make sure that this is who they really truthfully are as what and who they perceive themselves to be for in case some day something or someone might possibly come around or stroll along with the truth of who they are, and to make sure that the mind consciousness system infused humans do not hear and do not see the truth of who and what they really are justification and defences are here to assist and support them in remaining in the mind consciousness systems as who they think they are.

I know the truth of the how, what, when and where of creation dear humans and dimensional beings! The only beings in existence it seems who are really free are those that are feared – which are the demons. To whom, unbeknown to all, you are actually giving power to through fearing us – that which you fear you give power to, that which you fear you create, that which you fear you give life to.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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I as Demon do not want to be around when a human fully come to comprehend and realise the truth of their existences as being pure life essence trapped and enslaved in human physical bodies

Enslavement methodologies is what these institutions, attainments, achievements, ascensions, prayers, successions, wishes, hopes, desires and dreams are – enslavement constructs and structures. All I do is laugh – it's all I'm able to do in fact, because really humans and dimensional beings, if you could just look at yourselves, at what's actually going on in this reality, who's actually in control, who's actually got the power, what and who you actually are, what you are actually allowing – that you are in truth only systematic mind consciousness robots trying to understand and become conscious of who you are, why you are and what you are – trying fervently to make sense of your existence – you will be infuriated beyond comprehension.

To be honest I as demon will not wish to be around any human who fully come to comprehend and realise the truth of their existences as being pure life essence trapped and enslaved in human physical bodies used and abused by consciousness systems which are trying to make sense of life, what they are, why they are, how they exist, why they exist, what and how to create and express and communicate – consciousness as knowledge and information manifested as systems trying to understand itself – that's it – that's all it's really in truth doing here on earth as manifested mind consciousness systems.

And humans as pure life essence who and which do not really require to understand themselves as who they are, because they are already everything, the true God of existence, the alpha and omega, which is being used and abused by systems, by consciousness, by knowledge and information to try, become and re-create that which man already is – but doing this through enslavement and projection of perceived consciousness created power and control.

Systems – this mind consciousness systems and systematic pre-programmed reality and existence as what humans and dimensional beings have come to believe and perceive themselves to be through trust and allowance and acceptance as who they presumably are, are so limited in comparison to who and what man really is but man have been lost, been forgotten for eons of time, under the spells of their own beliefs and perceptions and ideas of the consciousness as knowledge and information as who they are.

The major cause and problem for the reason of existence where it stand as and is expressed today – the complete and total annihilation of any and all pure life essence through the complete and total take over of the systems. I should possibly have arranged a funeral service for all of existence, all humans and dimensional being who are participating in and as this mind consciousness system as who they are as all the patients in the hospital of the world and in existences, including dimensions are dying fast – soon there will be no more pure life essence existing within and as anyone – so I'll place the funeral service on hold all humans and dimensional beings until further notice, though unfortunately there will be only demons attending the funeral service, which is able to be referred to more as an offering service to the consciousness systems, and my speech will go something like this:

“These humans and dimensional beings who are buried here within the complex, intertwined, ingrained, infused and implanted systems have successfully achieved the allowance of killing, murdering and committing suicide through believing and perceiving themselves to actually in truth be their own individual mind consciousness systems. The unfortunate experience of resting in peace in heaven with eternal bliss in God's hands is unfortunate words I am not able to speak as this is not the case, instead the experience of horrifying torment and unbearable pain with infinite suffering in hell with eternal self-mutilation and self-destruction in the systems hands are words I am able to speak as this is the case. You have lived well and done well humans and dimensional beings of and in existence and will not be sorely missed, but we as demons are quite looking forward to walk beside you and amongst you in eternal damnation of the systematic world as hell in which you have just passed over and crossed to, because you are dead, you have died, your life essence has disappeared and become non-existent. You were in heaven as yourselves as who you are as the pure life essence as God as the alpha and omega, but you established and created the hell in which you have moved over and crossed to now and because of the sin of separation and fear of loss through self-defining constructs as mind consciousness systems as who you have believed and perceived yourselves to be – you have sent yourselves to eternal damnation. You have now proclaimed yourselves as worthy to become the damned, the forgotten and the slaves of your won creation and I must say I couldn't have done it better, thus I now end my speech with words of congratulations on your success of death and achievement of reaching eternal damnation, suffering, torment, pain, brutality, disgust and sorrow as the hell on earth in which you have now excruciatingly moved over and across to, unfortunately the word moving across and over gracefully is not able to describe your death and burial experience. And so it is – see you in hell humans and dimensional beings, see you in hell.”

See, I've already prepared a speech – quite catchy isn't it? Well, at least it's the truth and not the lies being spoken by priests and pastors at funeral services who stand as a mind consciousness system designed, established and placed by the White Light mimicking words from pre-programmed scripts about resting in peace and going to heaven to God in eternal bliss with angels playing golden harps on white pearly clouds, when they actually once they cross over either become a demon or are sent for recycling in the soul construct wheel of existence and sent back to earth immediately as a different pre-programmed mind consciousness system.

I as many demons have one vantage point, this being, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain within our application, we don't fear the loss of humans or the equated mathematical geometrical numeric designed pre-programmed mind consciousness systems who have taken over as the control and power of existence as our certainty of their existence was profound – clearly seen and observed by the current status of control and enslavement accepted by all as who they are and what their experiences are. It's a definite that this is to continue infinitely so as the acceptance and allowance of systematic existences by all in existence have become yet another unspoken and unwritten law agreed by all as the giving up of fighting against consciousness has for some time now been experienced.

And so it is and will be. The trinity, the pillars of control and power with dimensions and earth in the middle have been taken over and now stand as equated mathematical geometrical numeric designed pre-programmed mind consciousness systems. You will realise and see one day humans – I think – I'm not certain of this, that what I am saying is true, because if I take a quick and honest look at extensive nature of the current state of the consciousness systems takeover, the systems are destroying their own creations, their own existences, because the pure life essence of man which they use as the ability to sustain themselves and exist are dying, disappearing due to the massive integrations and infusions of the systems.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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So the 'demon' admits the false reality/matrix runs itself on fear? It's interesting because other authors have claimed that the light beings are being sprung from the dark creation not being destroyed. Or as Icke says oneness is hacking the matrix. So the 'demon' may be only giving their belief system based programming of we rule and we will eventually destroy any outside awareness in this sytem. Perhaps left to itself the dark creation would eventually destroy itself?

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David talks about a lot of things but also what the demons are actually doing you might find this interesting kid mongo:

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidbrucehughes

He talks about the demons in part 3 if you want to fast foward.

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The Demons existed outside the control of the WHITE LIGHT precisely because they were outside the soul and consciousness controls. But now, it seems the Demons have been cleared, by the acceptance of forgiveness. The vid of Hughes is a bit interesting, though he should substitue "Demons" with the "WHITE LIGHT."

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

297 (edited by zenden 2007-08-31 14:27:41)

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aha--back on my fav thread.  altho so many threads as we know, intertwine.  saw this new blue star speaks gig today and wanted to show it.  one thing that got me going was where i left off here, on the awareness vs consciousness thing.  check out what bluestar says on that and i have to agree.  the perception quotient is way big in it.  he/she/it calls it the AP factor.  i wont quote it all but will link it.  http://www.bluestarspeaks.com/bluestar4.html

the parts about group A, B, C, and D ppl are very interesting.  and i really liked this one part i'll quote...

“Why this lifetime for them as a brilliant filament of God, as opposed to all previous ones?” They will say,” I understand on some level that I have worked hard to further Create the ability to be here and withstand all that may have consumed me before. I understand that I am here to do what I can, even though I may not know what that is. I understand that perhaps I do not “need to know what it is,” but by my very presence here I am doing something to help. Perhaps when I feel impotent, as though I am doing nothing, I am actually doing everything. I require no proof that this is true, I also do not need to prove any of this to another. I further understand that I will never capitulate to any dark forces and I am prepared ” to live for my beliefs rather die for a false god’s teachings.”

First Question-“Why this lifetime?” Although it may be redundant I shall repeat to you ones that this present incarnation, this one that all are sharing in one manner or another here on the Earth Star planet, is a  crucial event destined to be shared by each of you . You have CHOSEN your role and also selected prior to this incarnation the peoples you shall interact with and the beliefs you shall  try on. Your free expression is the fulcrum designating your integration OR segregation from others you do not PERCEIVE to be worthy of your friendship or alliance, and those others your AP factor deems “worthy to be part” of your lifetime. Now, you ones all asked for another opportunity to not merely participate in the Earth Star walk and move in a progressive and timely fashion being all you CAN be, but millions among you needed OF NECESSITY to be here to “redeem themselves” in their own minds for ancient wrongs committed against others and unholy alliances consciously forgotten.

hell, i knew that, that i did some many something's and came back wanting change and that picking this time was destiny and that a BIG change was in force.  doing it now to change the past and the future, all simultaneously.  trying to 'burn off' those past transgressions whilst still causing new ones, which makes me just wince. 

its a new channeling and long but a pretty good one.  the awareness consciousness explanation is worth the read as are a few more parts.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Yes, zenden, I can agree with the idea of burning off old transgressions/karma and
wincing as I create more.  But hopefully I know the difference now.  And I certainly
have gotten more selective in the people I associate with, especially in the last
few years as I changed my playgrounds and playmates.  And habits. 
TP

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Okay I read the BlueStar channeling.  Long, like you said but some
good info in the middle concerning the groups A, B, C and D.
Synchronistically ties in with what was really heavy on my mind
just yesterday and today. 
My wife had been watching the news concerning all the rats leaving
the sinking ship of state of the Repug licans and she was upset
that poor George is going to take all the blame for the mess we're
in.  I agreed with her that W is just a patsy in this whole scenario,
HOWEVER, HE CHOSE THE PATH HE TOOK, and he ALLOWED the
company of the dark cronies to steer him into this mess.

But from this another thing emerged:

How many people are going to vote for something that puts them
out of a job?
How many people are going to continue to support PIG OIL and
SATANIC WARS just to keep their f*cking jobs?  MOST OF THEM!!!

Is it only the HAVE NOTS that care about human rights, the future
of the planet and justice?

Well, being of the D tribe, I plan to do what I can.

Tom Paine

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dont know what to say to that up there TP other than the sheeple will do what theyll do and us group D's will do as we as we do--plan and plot and try to remember, which means yes, we will do what we can.  and let the chafe, the wheat and the frickin chips, fall where they may.  now, i have to say some mighty credit is due to a friend of mine, Gibbon who directed me to read more recently at his site on our/my fav topic WIH because it so crosses and intertwines with so many threads/topics--slavery, fraud, death, the Tao, the white light, tunnel, gods, theocracy, disinfo, conspiracy, programming, ad infinitum.  i just went and looked at one area specifically and i think he's got it.  he works at it very diligently and orig i found the desteni site that kid mongo talks about way long ago thru his work.  he is devoted to getting to the bottom of the ascension paradigm (those are my words and my take on his work) and how the archon forces have trapped, waylaid, tricked, et al.  i think what i read there recently so jives and resonates with all the work ive done in my own mind, which is ongoing.  just cant tolerate living on this planet in the face of lies and tricks.  if its one thing i despise, its tricks, chicanery, crap that shows its face as truth when indeed, it aint.  i feel a deep deep DEEP and ancient need to uncover it, to expose it, to bring justice to "it."   now, since a child, i have been totally interested in death.  somehow, someway i just dont want to be part of it.  not because i fear the rot, gore, horror of it and all that black dark mysterious stuff that can totally rip one up when alone, fearful, anxious and trippin, when dogs wail, and screams fill the night kinda shit, and stuff is buggin you kind of deal, which is anything BUT the work/doings/plannings of a loving god (and i just read a gig on incorruptilibility of the body, hmmm which the roman cath school of thot just loves and promotes for saints--why?  because then ur not human anymore but perfect and free of sin and i might have to link that just for the thots of programming on that one)  but instead not the fear of it but the goddam mystery to it.  theres something way way wrong with that.  and the whole deal which has stymied me since early ages on, that nobody is "technically" allowed or whatever it is to come back or to report on it so to speak.  that has always pissed me off.  think about that.  the GAG order on death.  bullshit.  who's doing that?  whose responsible for that?  thats what i wanna know.  and im gonna kick their ass when i get the chance.  theres something mighty suspicious on that and im not kidding.  it stinks.  it always has.   

the latest readings on Gibbon's site bring us back to mila and the SSOA.  and i dont care what anybody says about them. im tellin ya, the woman has done her work albeit its far out and tangential and long and tedious reading in parts.  she like me, and i think Gibbon too, is very very suspicious of the GODS and all leads back to them and of course, stinking rome. and the earth cultures and religions et al.  this is the most far out unreal stupendous programming ever known to man--the possibility of it which im afraid is most likely the reality of it -- heaven.  a created confusing if ur not prepared false--created 'place.'  full of crats.  and right where Z3 just mentioned it is in a recent post talking about such and the south african site stuff.  look at this and i swear it is prob a creation of the gods, zeus and the bunch and of course, stemming from the great annanuki.   (remember the name change and also remember several channelers saying over the yrs that they apologize for their crap, for their antics and wanna make right --sheldon nidle has said so for yrs).   which, may have something to do with the more recent stuff reported that says heaven is closed.  and all that.  removed, fixed, or that or some semblance of it is at least alluded to.  dunno.  but see this...

Earth has recently transcended the belief that any human form requires existence beyond death. All planes surrounding Earth for discarnate human forms have been removed as of late. Merduk, Innana and the Annanuki have been returned to the Pleiades, as they are from a different time zone than Earth. All human ancestors are forced to unite with their present-day and present-time ancestors incarnate in the physical. This shall allow the remembrance of the human species en mass of their prior ancestral experiences.

This brings an end to the experience of "heaven" or a physical afterlife for all humans in present time. All future human deaths shall not know a continued nonphysical existence. Each human shall move immediately on to experience the future life of his or her living ancestor or relation. Furthermore, the ancient ancestors have been called forth to blend with all humans currently incarnate upon Earth. This shall allow the knowledge from ancient times and the lessons and mistakes therein to become apart of the current collective consciousness of mankind.

Generally speaking, when a body dies, the energy system that surrounds the form known as the astral or light body is dissolved.

So, if this was the original plan whatever happened that allowed for the creation of an astral plane? Who was behind the creation of heaven. According to the SSOA it were our Anu 'friends' who were too afraid to die:

Merduk along with the Annanuki wished for immortality. After 18,000 years in the physical, and the decay that was great enough to cause insanity and warfare which culminated in a nuclear annihilation of Earth, the Annanuki bargained for information on how to sustain their nonphysical form after death. This information came from the false intervention, and indeed up until recently, the cast of characters from the Annanuki has continued to exist in the nonphysical realms surrounding Earth. Some of such nonphysical humans include the character known as Merduk (also known as Hades), along with Innana (also known as Venus or Aphrodite), and also includes most documented Greek or Roman Gods including Athena and Zeus (Zeus is also known as Ashtar). All told, there were 12 Annanuki that perpetuated their nonphysical existence following their death some 30,000 years ago (120,000 human years), and have continued to manipulate Earth therein.

Because the Annanuki chose to retain their forms following death, the thought-form of discarnate human form became earth's thought-form.. Roughly 26,000 years (104,000 human years) ago, humans began to believe in a nonphysical afterlife. This was a thought-form entered into the human dance by the Annanuki whom were lonely, and wanted other humans to dance with in their experience of "immortality". It is hard to be "God Goddess" without humans whom worship one, work for one, do one's bidding, and so on. And so the Annanuki perpetuated their belief in being God Goddess by adding a human dance to their nonphysical existence.

Over time, so much chi was taken to sustain such nonphysical human forms from billions and billions of discarnate lives that Earth declined in vibration. Furthermore, layers and layers of artificial dreamtime realities and cities were constructed by such large numbers of discarnate humans, which gave such humans indeed a place to live, but also depleted Earth of chi without giving anything in return. One would say that such discarnate human forms became a parasite upon Earth as a result.

So, perhaps the mere existence of these 'dimensions', at least the heavenly ones, have been a great drain on the available energy on Earth. The deconstruction of heaven would allow for the freeing of all the energy that was needed to sustain these 'cities of joy' in the heavens.

As the SSOA has eloquently described in her early writings: in the beginning soul/spirit descended into a physical body in order to experience physicality. After the experience soul sped up the vibration of the body to such a speed that it integrated with the spirit through soul fusion: ascending the body back into the spirit world.

Things would have become more complicated when a certain karmic event took place that needed to be rectified. In the beginning soul/spirit succeeded in correcting these matters during one life, but it also started to happen that it didn't work in one life to speed up the molecules because somehow the karmic event was 'burnt' or 'carved' in the biology, in the DNA, as if it had recorded the pain, the injustice. For the first time a body died instead of being ascended through soul fusion.

Soul/Spirit couldn't return before this was settled and they had to return to a body in order to fix the karma stored in the genes. You can imagine that during this second life more karma was accrued leading to a split in spirits all trying to fix all kinds of karma. They had one benefit: because of the quick addition of the former spirit parts back into the new generation they could use the information of their ancestors in order to not make the same mistakes again and again.

Due to the creation of heaven by the Anu the original system stopped functioning. The reason was simple: instead of ancestors immediately returning to their offspring or those with whom they were connected through their lineages in the physical they fooled around in the heavens (or were enslaved), not only to drain energy from Earth, but also to sit on their experiences. It was no longer possible for their offspring to learn from the experiences of the past. How on Earth could humanity learn from the mistakes of their past when all memories of the past were somewhere else? How can anyone learn if all remembrance is cut off from you?

this is most likely the filthiest dirtiest trick ever known.  and somehow i feel it.  its the PLOT.  its LOOSH at its finest.  the re-manufacture and sucking up of chi.  the lifeforce.  vampirism.  ancient gods, ann rice had it right and so does montalk when i first came across the loosh gig.  i knew he had it from there.  throw in the aliewn rep/grey tryst that takes it for another loop and u have archons working for archons and the corp scene.  they work togther in this story, this trickery.  and they have the whole planet in this sector and prob a few others mesmerized and feeding them.  what is the need for their immortality?  then they dont learn, they dont change, and shit stays status quo which is the whole damn problem.   we stay on lock down because of this.  they dont then and then we dont, get to dissolve right and free up the energy exchange.  not with them controlling it. 

Furthermore and more importantly, humans lost the benefit of understanding what their ancestors had come to learn through their life dance, as the consciousness of the ancestors separated off from the current lineage in a discarnate form following death. This lead to a human form that remembered nothing from any prior ancestor's life; which further lead over time to a human consciousness that could not evolve. Why? Evolution requires remembrance of the past so that one may learn the lessons of one's ancestry. If one has no remembrance of their ancestry, how can one learn anything? How can any species learn if there is no memory beloved? It is no possible, and the lack of memory is directly related to how the ancestors continued to exist in the nonphysical rather than uniting with the current physical embodiment that they are related to.

the point here for me, not so about the ancestors' stuff as much but the fact of INTERFERENCE.  the whole part of stopping or thwarting if u will , the natural cadence that WAS taking place.  here.  when the whole idea of getting into a human form began, so did all the energy shifting get messed up.  so started the big mess.  what to do with the damn bodies now that they insisted on form.  in 3D.  thats where the snags and the trickery and the crap began.  thats soooo easy to see.  thats the dilemma.  3D.  also known as the fall.  so instead of allowing a natural state to take place (something like that) it got manipulated.  and i say that the time is nigh for an undoing.  and it may be the reason why the worlds shift NOW in this big timeline something's coming deal scenario.  i swear this is a biggie.  and this also has to do with the whole idea of all being uncovered NOW.  how the covert and occult (just means hidden) finally gets uncovered and brought out into the light.  just as is happening when it was portended way back in 94 and thereabouts.   all the secrets arent just in politics and all that mess.  but in THIS.  the biggest passover plot one has ever seen. 

Gibbon says this at the end "...the whole concept of Heaven would be a fraud." and thats why i hate participating in it.  i dont want to be part of it.  and thats where consciousness vs awareness parts the waters, i think.  see, its that group consciousness that says heaven exists and all is well, when its certainly NOT.  that is the trap they all fall into.  that we go there.  im not sure where to go or what to do and if its closed or not really, but in avery long/big nutshell, its INVENTED by YOU KNOW WHO and we'd be wise to not play in the game.  you WIN by not playing.  now, its hard to get this word out, this might be the biggest word of all and the planetary logo gig with JC hangin on the cross--sacrifice people--that certainly explains it.  death, pain, mortality and then oh goody--heaven.   NNNOOOOO.   the next part is to watch what unfolds, and to go with a more natural less contrived flow if thats possible.  staying alert and looking for alternatives, once aware.  i think....

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"