Re: The great global warming swindle.

Here is a link to the documentary "The Great Warming Swindle":
It is 114 minutes long and it's on Google Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 9933351566

Interesting.  Recommended.  Well done.

Through interviews, it makes the case that increases in the temperature of the Sun are a primary cause of the increase in average global temperatures (global warming), rather than the increase in temperatures coming from an increase in human generated CO2 emissions.

32 (edited by lyra 2007-08-26 12:53:07)

Re: The great global warming swindle.

wandering1 wrote:

Here is a link to the documentary "The Great Warming Swindle":
It is 114 minutes long and it's on Google Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 9933351566

Interesting.  Recommended.  Well done.

Through interviews, it makes the case that increases in the temperature of the Sun are a primary cause of the increase in average global temperatures (global warming), rather than the increase in temperatures coming from an increase in human generated CO2 emissions.

I'm watching this vid right now.  What came to mind is that if "They" were to admit to the public that the issue is with the sun, and not humanity, then it could make a lot of people panic.  Not only would it take the power and $$$$ and control away from the government and their global warming problem-reaction-solution agenda, but it makes the population panicky, as it's something that's out of their control.  We can't control the sun, regardless of what Hollywood would have us believe. wink  (think of that new sci-fi movie that's about reigniting the sun.)  There's nothing we can do about it, it's completely out of our control, and that sense of powerlessness would probably indeed cause a lot of people to become anxious, to say the least.  What they want is order and stability, for everybody to be good little automaton consumeristic drones who go about their day like ants in a well oiled machine hive.   Work for TPTB, take paycheck and use it all up on bills and material possessions.  Eat, sleep, get up the next day and repeat.  Die.   

Telling the population that "There's something awry with the sun, it's getting hotter, and may continue to get hotter and burn us all to a crisp" kind of throws a wrench in the works of the automaton hive mind.

Good points too in the vid about the past climate fluctuations, with the Medieval warming period, and the Little Ice Age.   I said a long time ago that the Earth is ever changing, so what's with this doomsday scenario over the climate changing?    It's like they expect things to be stagnate, exactly the way it is right now, forever.   There's a reason Greenland is called GREENland....because it used to be GREEN, and not covered in ICE.  big_smile

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33 (edited by Antaeus 2007-08-29 19:33:32)

Re: The great global warming swindle.

I think I'll change my entire msg too.  Yeah, that is sure some interesting global warming information.  Thanks for posting it.

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34 (edited by lyra 2007-08-26 14:56:04)

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Antaeus wrote:

I've seen others do that to her.  She seems unable to remember quotes from her own books. 

I once said I hate Chinese food on the East coast, it taste better in San Francisco's Chinatown.  What was repeated at a later date was, I hate Chinese. 

If people repeat something I said earlier without adequate context, I will simply lie and deny saying it.  When it is removed from context it is no different than outright lying.  No different at all.

What in the frickity frack are you talking about?  !   It sounds like you posted this in the wrong thread....

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LOL that should be in the humour section.

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Re: The great global warming swindle.

lyra wrote:

I'm watching this vid right now.  What came to mind is that if "They" were to admit to the public that the issue is with the sun, and not humanity, then it could make a lot of people panic.  Not only would it take the power and $$$$ and control away from the government and their global warming problem-reaction-solution agenda, but it makes the population panicky, as it's something that's out of their control.  We can't control the sun, regardless of what Hollywood would have us believe. wink  (think of that new sci-fi movie that's about reigniting the sun.)  There's nothing we can do about it, it's completely out of our control, and that sense of powerlessness would probably indeed cause a lot of people to become anxious, to say the least.

Yes, good points.

Also, I think about all the pressure on the "developing world" (third world) to not burn fossil fuels (because of claims of CO2 related global warming), to not raise their standard of living.  If you don't have electricity, I imagine that it can be harder to become educated and empowered.

There is plenty of evidence that "The Powers that Be" do not want humanity as a whole becoming truly educated and empowered.

Also, I find that thinking about the fundamental relationship between the Sun and the Earth can elevate ones perspective on what is happening on the planet.

It's like, the Sun is changing and having this big changing effect on the Earth - what else is out there outside conventional boundaries of thinking that might also have an important effect on what is happening with humanity?

37 (edited by feedbaxlow 2007-08-29 20:18:45)

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Yes, i saw the original video this topic was baesd on, and yes it's propaganda.
I also don't believe in chemtrails. It's just "regular" jet vapor and pollution.
It is a problem but is not "genocide from above".
After watching the skies for a long time it's obvious that the vapor trails linger when it's humid and when it's dry, they do not.
It' s that simple.
I live in an area where a lot of traffic goes over head very high up.
I have watched it, photographed it and watched it some more.
There may have been virus "testing" on urban areas occasionally, by the shadow gov/military etc,
there is evidence this occurred over San Francisco years ago, but that is not an everyday occurrence.
I think most of the chemtrails phenom hysteria is bunk.
That's just what water vapor looks like in the sky when it's humid and there is a lot of jet traffic .
Occasionally when the conditions are right, it collects up and makes a haze, before eventually settling out and blowing away.
I have seen that. It does contain a lot of pollution no doubt.

I was influenced by the hysteria you see on the net and right here... to think it was a conspiracy too.
But i don't find there is any evidence for that.

No one is poisoning you from the skies except the airlines.
Global warming is a natural trend which emissions are encouraging and contributing to.
If we do not do something about it we will have serious problems, so it makes alot of sense to do scientific research
Trust me, a fraction of the money spent on military guns, bombs and arms are going to study and understand this crucial development.
If there is anything worthwhile and practical for science to do besides find new ways of destroying each other, it's find solutions to environmental problems like global warming.
It is not a hoax.
The reasons for it's sudden rise are debatable.
That we are contributing to it in an important way is not.
The one thing you can count on is more climate change and water level rising.

Re: The great global warming swindle.

feedbaxlow wrote:

I also don't believe in chemtrails. It's just "regular" jet vapor and pollution.
It is a problem but is not "genocide from above".
After watching the skies for a long time it's obvious that the vapor trails linger when it's humid and when it's dry, they do not.
It' s that simple.....
I think most of the chemtrails phenom hysteria is bunk.
That's just what water vapor looks like in the sky when it's humid and there is a lot of jet traffic .
Occasionally when the conditions are right, it collects up and makes a haze, before eventually settling out and blowing away......
No one is poisoning you from the skies except the airlines.

*cough.*


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That's amazing that "airlines" fly in such criss crossing, geometric patterns and spew so much "regular vapor." 

Really, it is. 

But I'm glad to know that it's just regular jet vapor and pollution that lingers when it's humid.  Whew!

And here I thought it was something sinister!

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Re: The great global warming swindle.

feedbaxlow wrote:

"I also don't believe in chemtrails"

You're joking right?

I challenge you to find a photo like the ones lyra posted, from anytime before the mid to late 90s.

Is it possible you never saw Edward Teller's remarks about creating a 'sunscreen'? (that alone points to the real cause)

"No one is poisoning you from the skies but the airlines"

You have no idea how much I wish that were true.

I still want to know what happened to real reality, at some point it was substituted by this Plastic Planet.

I'd like a refund, please.                J

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Re: The great global warming swindle.

http://www.intuitivecat.com/chemtrails/photo+of+both+ct+and+contra.jpg

http://chemtrail-yonne.ifrance.com/images/chemtrail__cercle.jpg

http://www.envasion.net/2003/pix/chem3.jpg

You also often see that the USAF have problems with their tank nozzles, or tanks are almost empty, or they are just really trying to make a bold statement to the 'silly masses' - apparently too busy with their football and paris hilton in order to even do any sort of questioning on the matter:

http://www.orgone-art.com/image/thumbnail/orgonevschemtrail2.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/broken_chemtrail-sharpen_600x398.jpg

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

Re: The great global warming swindle.

From CNN this morning:


"Scorching U.S. heat in 2006 blamed on humans"

WASHINGTON (AP) -- "We have met the enemy, and he is us," the comic-strip character Pogo said decades ago. A new analysis of last year's near-record temperatures in the United States suggests he was right.

Warming caused by human activity was the biggest factor in the high temperatures recorded in 2006, according to a report by researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration....."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/28/greenh … index.html

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: The great global warming swindle.

lyra wrote:

Good points too in the vid about the past climate fluctuations, with the Medieval warming period, and the Little Ice Age.   I said a long time ago that the Earth is ever changing, so what's with this doomsday scenario over the climate changing?    It's like they expect things to be stagnate, exactly the way it is right now, forever.   There's a reason Greenland is called GREENland....because it used to be GREEN, and not covered in ICE.  big_smile

Amen, Lyra!! big_smile

We have to remember that everything--and I mean everything--moves in cycles. We have Ice Ages, then periods of warming, Ice Ages, then warming... and on it goes. It is nature. It is the Earth, which is a living creature, maintaining its balance and equilibrium with itself and in its larger community, the solar system.

I thoroughly agree that we should learn some responsibility in our relationship with the earth. The cycles of the earth are beyond our control, and it's our desire to control things that have got us in such a dither. Maybe if we could learn to move with these cycles instead of straining to control them (resistance), we wouldn't have all this guilt and fear that we're killing the earth.

It's all about flow and balance... and to stop giving away our power to TPTB.

Cheers

Look... Wonder... Remember... Know

43 (edited by feedbaxlow 2007-08-29 18:52:31)

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Yeah i know.
I have pictures like these i took myself.
There are pictures like this taken since the seventies. One site i saw theorised that's when chemtrails started, and asked you to look at your old photos and see if you see them. It claimed that people did see them when they looked.
In any case it's pretty easy to get a hold of photos of almost anything to support a story you see a basis for.
I can't see the planes that go over me with enough clarity to see if any cannisters are the cause of the trails i see, but i seriously doubt it.

My own experience is that until i saw this site and others i never really noticed how much whatever it is, was spewed into the sky every day. Then i noticed it and got very paranoid.... and took pictures.

Then it dried out by mid summer and poof! No more lingering trails. 
They go over and it's faded after 15 minutes if they hang at all.
Until it was high humidity again. Today for example it was hazy after a few hours in the afternoon from so many planes.
You might want to check this yourself over several months before you buy the whole "chemtrails" theory, lock, stock and barrel.

I'm still as cognizant as ever how the Cabal has been on a rampage since wars I, II and on our way to III and probably have near
total influence over our govt and culture and what products are available to some extent.
I'm not saying that there isn't some spraying of some areas of the population.
It's a possibility, but i doubt it.

These are the things that my own observations have shown me:
A. these are normal commercial flights going over at high altitude here.
(population is too sparse here to make it worth spraying us)
yet this is pretty much what i see except for the turnarounds or extra canisters.
B. there is no difference (here anyway) between any of the trails, except for altitude.

The difference between trails that is pointed out in the "chemtrail 101" above is probably just a difference of several thousand feet and time for the first high up trail to fade a bit. The rest of the pictures are pretty close to what i see.
That every commercial jet is equipped with cannisters is extremely unlikely and airplane maintenance people would have reported it by now.
Probably most of these are caused by overused "air lanes".
I've noticed that the wind (or something) can twist and distort the trails in odd ways like in above photos.

The only logical reason i could see for "chemtrails" would be an opportunity for HAARP to see what their manipulations of atmosphere-triangulations and frequencies-are doing...the trails giving a visual readout of how the atmosphere is effected by various microwave tunings...but that's a real longshot.

I am situated between/below 5 cities and their airports and there is a constant traffic going over.
It starts about 7 am. In the early summer i had 2 or 3 days where it just hung there until the sky was a haze.
I thought it was very odd so i've been watching ever since.
And yes, sometimes they go over at 90 degree angles and create a cross.
OH it's right over my house! They are out to get me!
They are spreading barium and chemical waste in the sky to kill the very people that buy airline tickets!
i don't think so anymore. Let's say i have serious doubts

Maybe we've just tuned into the 21st century. Most people who travel long distances take a plane.
There are so many jets going over where i am, at such a rate that there are always several in the sky and trails being made (if it's humid enough) at almost any time.
This is not a theory or somebody else's photos. This is what i see every day-
the same planes with very different results in the sky.  Why? i can only assume it's atmospheric conditions

Allow yourself a little bit of scientific skepticism and see for yourself how the conditions/weather change the results of jet trails.

They are probably just standard commercial airliners and i have seen those same patterns on any given (moist) day.
Yes it's gross, but it's the way it is. No grand conspiracy necessary.
They are going in different directions and angles from different cities, of course it's going to make crosses and grids.
I see the flights from Rochester, Syracuse, Toronto, Buffalo Niagra Falls.
Planes to and from NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, Texas, Florida, California etc etc.
Avg no. of flights: lets say one plane landing or taking off every 10 minutes at each airport=that's at least 6 planes an hour x 5 cities=30 planes an hour. If trails last 2 hours=traces of as many as 60 trails going over.
I have counted and photographed as many as 30 in the sky at a time.

I've heard that one plane ride causes as much pollution as a car does in a year.
We are polluting this planet at an alarming rate.
The climate is changing fast and China and India are joining us in massive coal burning and beef and livestock production, cutting forests down to make room for it.

Let's be honest shall we? We (you and i) are amateurs playing with paranoia, points of view and cultural bias.
We are "seeing" with "knowledge" and theory that is mostly second hand. We see what we expect to in most cases.
We trust no one anymore. Nor should we. The ones we do trust (stuart wilde/LKJ/cassiopaens?) always seem to go off the beam at some point. This has strange effects.
The mainstream media is coloring or dumbing down stories in subtle or gross ways and avoiding things that are dangerous for them to reveal because it will discourage the advertisers that they depend on to turn a profit.
But not everything is blacked out.
Some stories are too obvious and important to ignore.
Whether CO2 causes greenhouse gases is not exactly the point.

The point is more- What are we going to do about it?
To do nothing is to risk a crisis of hitherto unknown proportions

Occasionally a cover story like The Global Warming Hoax* (in Newsweek last week) gets out.
If you are really interested, buy or borrow the newest issue of Newsweek and read the letters to the editor section and see what a larger cross-section of people are saying about this very important story from the previous issue. it's an excellent debate about this issue and the range of opinions and viewpoints.

44 (edited by Pictus 2007-08-29 21:37:15)

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I am also not much a friend for this chemtrail stuff, can be happening but
what I see(Brazil) for me is natural stuff, also my first job was into an Air Company
(now dead like Pan AM) and I never saw any anomalous stuff in the planes.
Well I never saw also do not mean that do not exist.

Bye, Pictus

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Re: The great global warming swindle.

Well I've been waiting for this...

'Save Creation Day'

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20548340

Pope Benedict:

"world leaders must make courageous decisions to save the planet before it is too late"

Yes Benny, they're all right on the ball. I am sure these 'courageous leaders' had nothing to do with creating this mess in the first place, and I will rest assured knowing the folks attending used biodegradeable f*cking plates.

So we now have "official" endorsement of the global warming reality- was only a matter of time.

'Scuse me while I go bash my head repeatedly against a recycling bin...

     J

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