Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

tenetnosce wrote:

With regard to channeled information, one of the common complaints is that there is so much garbage out there these days...

If you read any quality channeled work, there is a certain degree of precision and clarity with regards to the questions being asked and the subject matter which is discussed.  Usually these focus on cosmology, the nature of reality in general, and questions focused on the nature of the channeled entity and the realm from which it hails.

In current times (and I have seen a lot of this) people tend to ask questions that only pertain to themselves and their own personal lives.  I think this tends to attract a lower level of consciousness to the channel because the higher vibration entities recognize that they have nothing useful to offer in that regard.

Yes, I think you're right about this.

So many excellent examples listed above!  I think this one is very easy to spot and very useful in discerning the level of consciousness involved, and the motivations of the channeler:

9.  Any indication whatsoever that the questioner is somehow chosen, special, or privileged.

A big red flag for me is ego-stroking in channeled material.  Has anyone here read "Welcome Home: The New Planet Earth" by Steve Rother?  I sold that book before reading it more than half-way through because it seemed there was so much ego-stroking of Steve the channeler and of the audience members who asked questions.  That for me is a huge red flag, and I just never trusted the source.

Another popular book that I sold before finishing was "Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary Renard.  I just had a very uneasy feeling reading it, and at one point it seemed to imply that the Conversations with God books were inaccurate or not to be trusted, which was a big red flag for me because they calibrate very highly with muscle testing.  There was one other major issue I had with it that I no longer recall, but speaking of muscle testing... that is an excellent way to gauge the truth of something.

Apologies if anyone here is fond of those two books.  Perhaps I was quick to dismiss them because they just were not for me.  I would love to know if anyone else had a similar reaction to them.

I have been extremely suspicious of all material, especially channeling, because I believe so much of it is either misguided, purposeful disinformation or corrupted in someway.

I also tend to avoid books that say very little with a lot of words - whether it's because that is a red flag as Tom pointed out, or just plain annoying and tiresome.

17 (edited by dreamosis 2006-04-08 18:17:41)

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*The clarity--or lack thereof--in the organization of the material is a red flag for me regarding misinformation, too.

Take the Jeff Rense site, www.rense.com.  For all I know, the site's information is 90% accurate, but the presentation of the info is chaotic.  The information is not integrated or contexualized.  There is no fusion.  The consciousness behind the site design seems restless and noisy.

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Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Where would this fall under channelled material?  A lot of things said by "matthew" seem to resonate with me.

http://educate-yourself.org/mw/index.shtml

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Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Capitan wrote:

Where would this fall under channelled material?  A lot of things said by "matthew" seem to resonate with me.

I haven't seen the "Matthew" material, so I won't comment on it.  I clicked over, and read a few paragraphs, but don't have time today to read it all.   

This thread is aimed at building discernment and acquiring the discernment to identify sources of info and information itself that are not coming from a high level of integrity.

...I know I've resonated with material that I've later rejected as bunk.  Getting a feeling of resonance from something doesn't always mean that it's the highest part of yourself responding to the something.  Sometimes it's a mixture of spirit and ego resonating.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
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Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Here are two "visual" red flags that I've noticed in regards to either crazy websites, or crazy people in general:

- The infamous "center allignment." !  This one's been mentioned before in other threads, but can't be emphasized enough.  Too many times, paranoia and fear-based low FRV websites are center alligned, instead of left alligned or block justified.   The entire text will be center alligned, and often the font will be all different colors and sizes, lots of bolds, caps and underlines.  The center allignment thing is almost like this psychological need to overcompensate for a mindset that's grossly off balance.   It's a MAJOR red flag indicator.  Not every crazy website will be center alligned, but every site that I've seen that's been entirely center alligned has been crazy.

Also take heed if a formerly left/block justified website suddenly becomes center alligned.   Interestingly enough, the David Icke news headlines page went through this subtle "shift", indicating to me that things had taken a turn over there. 

- The Crazy Eyes.   Too often, authors, speakers and "spokespeople" for polarizing distraction tactic issues have what I call the Crazy Eyes.    Authors that are front and center cranking out diet/health and exercise regime books, financial & money making advise books.....polarizing political issue books, articles and websites, (right wing/left wing, liberal/conservative name calling, slander and finger pointing)........too many of them have the Crazy Eyes.  This intense, yet empty stare.  You know what I'm talkin' about....you've seen them on the covers of all those books at the bookstore.  wink  It's disturbing, and indicates to me someone who has a very high possibility of being programmed and/or even reanimated.   Many new age followers seem to have the crazy eyes as well.   Some have erronously been mislabeled as having "seer eyes!" when crazy eyes would be more like it.

Some may be thinking that "Crazy" is a subjective word.  And it is...to a point.   And crazy may not be the best word for what ultimately amounts to an FRV issue.   To me, crazy is anybody who is out there with a paranoia and fear based FRV, or rabidly promoting material that The Powers That Be want us desparately focused on......money, money, and more money, sex, sex and more sex, diet and calorie counting obsesion and exercise and weight loss and physical image, political issues, left and right, liberal vs. conservative, and so on.    Or in the case of new age "crazy" it's those who, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, are out there promoting material and idealogy that is quite obviously false, and which would actually result in detrimental consequences for the people who follow it.  Yet, they stubbornly adhere to it.

Not every low-FRV person our person spouting disinfo. will have the crazy eyes, but it is one of those indicators I've learned to notice over the past few years.

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21 (edited by dreamosis 2006-04-11 18:28:40)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Two examples of "crazy eyes:"

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1995/1101950123_400.jpg

And...

(Formerly a picture of Richard Simmons which I decided to remove).

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

22 (edited by montalk 2006-04-11 14:57:25)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

First time I really noticed the "Crazy Eyes" phenomenon was with one of Suze Orman's books. What the??? I thought. I figured it was a symptom of assertiveness and overconfidence turning into mania. Or if the eyes are windows to the soul, opening the eyes wider may be some subconscious attempt to compensate? I can only speculate. Being high on crack could also do it smile

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1401901786.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The opposite phenomenon, purposeful squinting could be just as much a red flag. News anchors trying to play up their seriousness, politicians like Bill Clinton trying to look empathetic, and actors trying to look hot tend to do it. Someone pointed this out to me today just now, when this very morning I realized the same thing. I guess conspicuously fake body language or the use of Neurolinguistic Programming would be a red-flag.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

23 (edited by lyra 2006-04-11 16:10:11)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

dreamosis wrote:

Two examples of "crazy eyes:"

Aw, don't pick on Richard Simmons. sad    I don't know, he seems cool.  Goofy, sure, but not crazy.  He just seems like a nice, likeble guy! 

Actually, montalk's example was exactly one of the people I had in mind.  That's THE perfect picture!   There's another dude, I don't know his name, maybe somebody can help me out, but I see his diet/fitness books at the bookstores all the time.  He has these deep set, intense yet blank crazy eyes and heavy browbone that go with his manic smile.  Anybody??  Anybody??   Next time I'm at the bookstore I'll make sure to take note of his name.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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24 (edited by dreamosis 2006-04-11 18:21:14)

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lyra wrote:

Aw, don't pick on Richard Simmons...Goofy, sure, but not crazy.

Yeah, checking in, I agree--he's goofy, but not crazy.  Although he was the first person to jump into my mind after reading your "crazy eyes" post.  Maybe it's exuberance.

The Orman pic is a perfect example.

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Another webpage-oriented visual red-flag for me--and this could be wholly subjective--is an abundance of ultra-ethereal, spacey, fantastical images.  Many of these pics are beautiful, and I appreciate them, but my quibble with them is in the energetic effect them elicit in me. 

I'm talking about spiritualistic sites with rainbow skies and giant, chiseled angels or beatific, smiling, almond-eyed beings stretching a hand through space.  The feeling I always I get is "this is too perfect."  I feel like I'm looking at an advertising brochure for the next dimension.     

And there is a certain ungroundedness in the websites with all the astral imagery.

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Last thought...This isn't so much about disinfo, but about sloppiness.  I see New Agey sites, books, and people increasingly saying that quantum physics has proved this or that metaphysical point.  ("Quantum physics tells us...") 

The pattern is using quantum physics to lend credence or weight to their thesis.  I know virutally zip about physics, but the allusions always seem surface and metaphorical to me (while writers represent the connection to quantum physics as deep and literal).

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

25 (edited by pokerboy101381 2006-04-11 18:34:05)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

montalk wrote:

First time I really noticed the "Crazy Eyes" phenomenon was with one of Suze Orman's books. What the??? I thought. I figured it was a symptom of assertiveness and overconfidence turning into mania. Or if the eyes are windows to the soul, opening the eyes wider may be some subconscious attempt to compensate? I can only speculate. Being high on crack could also do it smile

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/14019 … ZZZZZZ.jpg

The opposite phenomenon, purposeful squinting could be just as much a red flag. News anchors trying to play up their seriousness, politicians like Bill Clinton trying to look empathetic, and actors trying to look hot tend to do it. Someone pointed this out to me today just now, when this very morning I realized the same thing. I guess conspicuously fake body language or the use of Neurolinguistic Programming would be a red-flag.

You are on point.

She's just high. 

Fortune/Fame are just more efficent versions of crack/heroin.

26 (edited by lyra 2006-04-11 19:12:12)

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Well, we went to the bookstore tonight, and I gathered up some names!

The Diet and Exercise section can be a scary area in terms of people on the book covers!

Here's the dude I was thinking about earlier, but didn't know his name:


Bill Phillips, "Body For Life" and "Eating For Life"

http://images.bestwebbuys.com/muze/books/94/0694523194.jpg

http://www.eatingforlife.com/images/thebook/4.jpg

Ahhh!



Then I found Maureen Kennedy Salaman, author of "All Your Health Questions Answered":

http://www.mksalaman.com/images/new_portrait.jpg

Eeek!


And on a lesser note is Bob Greene, author of "Get With the Program":

http://media.bestprices.com/content/isbn/44/0743238044.jpg

Believe it or not, he's not Bill Phillips.  But what's with these brunette diet dudes with the weird eyes and the generic names???


And just because the picture was so damn funny, let's hear it again for Suze Orman!!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1401901786.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

It's all about the crazy eyes!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

lyra wrote:

Then I found Maureen Kennedy Salaman

Eeek! is right.  She looks like a Stepford housewife.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
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Okay, I couldn't resist:

http://www.danperezstudios.com/images/workshop/gollum%20maquette.jpg

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
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Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

That's awesome!  big_smile  He's got the same blue eyes as the other four!  big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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30 (edited by lyra 2006-04-11 19:33:49)

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And one more I almost forgot with the weird crazy eyes who falls into the realm of author who writes about polarizing political distraction issues:

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/imageDB.cgi?isbn=1400054184

http://www.godandcountryevent.com/images/ann-big.jpg


Boo!

btw, when Ann Coulter was at the hotel I used to work at I mentioned to the Russian girl I was working with at the desk that she was somebody famous.  Her response?  She scrunched up her face and said "She's UUUGly." 

Ha!  You know you suck when you get the big thumbs down from the Russian girls!  wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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