Topic: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Okay, after running into this government site(http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jul/27-595713.html), I decided to start a thread on how-to actually identify misinformation or disinformation.

Here are the governemnt's suggetions on spotting misinfo:

usinfo.state.gov wrote:

How to Identify Misinformation

How can a journalist or a news consumer tell if a story is true or false?  There are no exact rules, but the following clues can help indicate if a story or allegation is true.

Does the story fit the pattern of a conspiracy theory?
Does the story fit the pattern of an “urban legend?” 
Does the story contain a shocking revelation about a highly controversial issue?
Is the source trustworthy?
What does further research tell you?

The last two I agree with, the first three are idiotic (according to the government, nobody conspires, anecdotal evidence about strange happenings is always unreliable, and nothing shocking ever happens).  Ummm, okay.

Here's a lovely tidbit from the website in answer to the 9/11 conspiracy theory put forth in 9/11 Revealed:

usinfo.state.gov wrote:

The authors of 9/11 Revealed apparently do not believe that the largest terrorist attack in history was large enough to demonstrate that it was real.

I love the reasoning here: "It was real 'cause it was big!  Like, duh!"

Anyway, here's a link to a short but great past NR thread on the 25 rules of disinfo: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=718.  It addresses the techniques and behaviors of disinfomationists.  It's partly a list of logical fallacies.

What I'm interested in for this thread is broader, though.  I want to compile a list of tell-tale signs of misinfo and disinfo as it relates to spiritual and hyperdimensional-beings information.

The value of such a list, I think, would be in its ability to guide you when your intuition is off.
And I'm interested in both warped thinking revealed by misinfo and specific pieces of mis/disinfo.

In a way about 90% of the energy in this forum is already spent doing just this.  90% of the posts are about just this.  Maybe it isn't possible to pare all our thoughts down into a bullet-style list, but I think there are patterns that can be briefly described.

The obvious patterns, obviously, reveal themselves due to their extremity.  (That isn't to say there aren't any "extreme truths," but I think most of you know what I mean.)

I'll start:

1.  All of the aliens are benevolent.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

One of the biggest signs of disinfo is an outright lie, especially one that is illogical.  You will not believe how many people fall for this!

For example, on 9/11, the news reported that this date was chosen because "it is the Muslim Day of Ramadan."  Most people accepted this.  However, Ramadan is not a day.  It is a month, and it's not even in September!

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Yay!  My first chance to make a post!

Great question, and, hoping I don't step on the toes of any of their fans, but naming entities such as Hatonn, St. Germain, Sananda, etc. is a big red flag to me.

I have also seen some info mention aliens or angels turning the negative humans into positive ones...that seems to me like a huge free will violation that simply could not or would not be done.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Aquarius wrote:

...hoping I don't step on the toes of any of their fans, but naming entities such as Hatonn, St. Germain, Sananda, etc. is a big red flag to me.

In general, heavy reliance on a named authority is a red flag to me.  I don't think Spirit needs a fan or seeks fans.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Okay, so we are just talking about red-flags here, signs that suggest a good possibility - but not  absolute confirmation - that something might be misinformation or disinformation, right? Alrighty, then here are several I noticed saturating the majority of channeled literature:

* whole lot of words that say a whole lot of nothing: "the answer to that which you have questioned depends on that which is part of the most important concepts you must find if you are questing for expanded belief in a new reality. Therefore we say to you that your interest is most welcome in our realms and most things we say cannot be well expressed in your words, therefore the answers we give are not always the answers you seek."

* pages of convoluted trivia that has no present application or relevance. "Ten million years ago the Aquatarian Alliance converged on your planet to establish the Ishtar portal gate at the center of your planet. This required a complicated process of aligning seven dilithium crystals through a quantum interface into the sub-akashic levels of the Logos, thereby initiating a vibratory cascade that generated the holographic grid connecting their mass consciousness with the extra-solar Logos of the Vegan star systems, the consequences of which initiated thirty-three epochs of evolution, each of which I will tell you about now..."

* heavy use of mystical sounding names: "Lord Gabriel Reptilianus and his Majestic Queen of the Seven Crystal Cities are in search of the Blessed Be Oracle Tablets..."

* extra detail given to recounting events that are impossible to prove or deny: "Last week a terrible battle ensued in which half the earth was blown away. At the verge of defeat the Forces of Light were granted rescue by the Great Overseers who not only drove Darkness back into the Abyss, but rewound time and prevented earth from ever suffering harm. Thanks to the Great Overseers, we are all alive today. Isn't that amazing?"

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

dreamosis wrote:

I love the reasoning here: "It was real 'cause it was big!  Like, duh!"

*cries hysterically in laughter*

montalk wrote:

(too much to quote)

*cries even harder*

LOL.  I see this is a thread I'll be following quite closely ;-)  Thanks for the brightener

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Interesting thread.  Here are my "Top 20" indications of channeled disinformation.

1.  Predictions of events, especially with regard to specific dates.

2.  Recommendations focused on action rather than on beingness or intent.

3.  Logical inconsistencies that lead to backpedaling when pressed with further inquiry.

4.  The words "always", "never", "should", and "try".

5.  Indications that the channeled entity has some special powers or abilities not accessible to the questioner.

6.  Offers of unsolicited information or advice.

7.  Answering a question with another question.

8.  Speaking with a sense of urgency or that limited time is available for the session.

9.  Any indication whatsoever that the questioner is somehow chosen, special, or privileged.

10.  Requests not to share the information given with others.

11.  Prophecies of doom and gloom; issuance of warnings and admonitions.

12.  Vague and generalized respones to specific questions.

13.  Interrupting the questioner with an answer before the question is fully stated.

14.  Unwillingness to admit that there are negatively oriented entities or those with malicious intent.

15.  References to higher spiritual authorities.

16.  Speaking on behalf of somebody else.

17.  Reprimanding or chastisement.

18.  Expression of a desire for the questioner to perform some specific action.

19.  Stating that an abrogation or limitation of free will is sometimes necessary for the greater good. 

20.  Expressions of impatience or frustration.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

8 (edited by heandras 2006-04-08 05:11:27)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

I’ve pondered the word “disinformation"  because I wanted to get to the core of its meaning. I think there are two different causes of false information given from a source. It may be A) the intentional lying toward the recipient and B) the spreading of facts that are only true from a special point of view or level of existence. I don’t want to elaborate on A because it’s obvious. But some examples for B that came to my mind: A 4D entity states “time is illusion" . For the speaker this statement is true because it looks at the parameter, we call time “from above" , oversees how it works and is therefore able to manipulate it. For 3D beings time is a very real and limiting factor. Is the 4D being spreading disinformation? Another one: A spiritual advanced person is telling one who is living from its baser centres only “you create your own reality through your thoughts and beliefs"  Aside the probability, that this statement will perhaps only cause a shoulder shrugging, it is not true for the spiritual asleep person. Its life is determined by karma, entropy, randomness and the manipulation of more advanced forces. Its own thoughts, beliefs and mindsets are contributing quite less to its path. Is the spiritual advanced person spreading disinformation then?
I think we also must take into account, that higher forces may also be naïve regarding our plane of existence and are therefore not able to give information that is absolutely true. Assumed, that Ra is not a constantly intentional lying negative source, they also had to experience that their interaction on 3D earth with our ancestors did not work out as they hoped it would and therefore had to cancel their job here. They were plain naïve about the inherent negativity (STS-polarity) of mankind because they have not experienced it by themselves.
OK, back to topic…  A red flag of intentional disinformation is for me the attempt to boost the ego of the recipient as being somewhat special or chosen. I remember some passages in the C’s transcripts that leave a bad taste in that regard. …but that doesn’t make me discard the whole source.
Just some thoughts.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

montalk wrote:

...so we are just talking about red-flags here, signs that suggest a good possibility - but not  absolute confirmation - that something might be misinformation or disinformation, right?

Yes.  For clarity's sake let me say: the original intent of my post was to look at signs of possible mis/disinformation.

heandras wrote:

A 4D entity states “time is illusion" . For the speaker this statement is true because it looks at the parameter, we call time “from above" , oversees how it works and is therefore able to manipulate it. For 3D beings time is a very real and limiting factor. Is the 4D being spreading disinformation?

Well, I'll say this: I find it suspect when sources of information do not acknowledge that there are different levels of truth.  And that the conditions of evolution are different for beings of different levels.

tenetnosce wrote:

4.  The words "always", "never", "should", and "try".

Here's my complement list of such command words:

*ought
*have to
*needs to
*must

And absolute statements like:

*we all...
*you are... (stating a person is this or that instead of acknowledging that it is your perception that they seem this or that)

Also: special vocabulary, as in Scientology.  The constant use of special terms that only initiated members understand.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

dreamosis wrote:
heandras wrote:

A 4D entity states "time is illusion". For the speaker this statement is true because it looks at the parameter, we call time “from above", oversees how it works and is therefore able to manipulate it. For 3D beings time is a very real and limiting factor. Is the 4D being spreading disinformation?

Well, I'll say this: I find it suspect when sources of information do not acknowledge that there are different levels of truth.  And that the conditions of evolution are different for beings of different levels.

If the source doesn’t disclaim, that all what is said by it, only reflects it’s personal truth and experience and underlies the discrimination of the listener/reader, yes.

dreamosis wrote:
tenetnosce wrote:

4.  The words "always", "never", "should", and "try".

Here's my complement list of such command words:

*ought
*have to
*needs to
*must

Why does that indicate disinformation? Maybe I don’t get it because English is not my first language, but how would you formulate a (requested) hint/advice without using such words? The C’s stated: Always keep open mind – measured with such rigid rules, that statement must be wrong, or at least leading to a wrong direction…. Or indicating the source to be a disinformer.
I think, such rigid rules like a list of words or phrases are not applicable to indicate disinfo. It’s much more the whole makeup of the message.

Aquarius wrote:

Great question, and, hoping I don't step on the toes of any of their fans, but naming entities such as Hatonn, St. Germain, Sananda, etc. is a big red flag to me.

No, I’m not a fan of those entities big_smile but why does it make a source suspicious to have a name? I find it quite common to be addressable with a name. Much more doubtful is, when an entity is claiming to be God itself.

Dreamosis, could you elaborate on how you would define the word disinformation? I mean, every being fails to speak absolute truth because it has no absolute awareness. So, ultimately, every spoken/written word is disinformation… or at least, only a half of the truth.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

heandras wrote:

I think, such rigid rules like a list of words or phrases are not applicable to indicate disinfo. It’s much more the whole makeup of the message.

My intent was to give examples of words that may be indicators of disinformation, not that use of these words always indicate disinformation.  In that case I'd be breaking my own rule!

I think you make an important point to remember to take things in context, and your comment also opens the door to a wider issue.

With regard to channeled information, one of the common complaints is that there is so much garbage out there these days.  Many people have suggested that all the attention placed on channeled info has attracted a greater number of unsavory entities.  I do not disagree.  However, an often overlooked point is that, as more and more people seek out channels, the quality of the questions has also deteriorated considerably. 

If you read any quality channeled work, there is a certain degree of precision and clarity with regards to the questions being asked and the subject matter which is discussed.  Usually these focus on cosmology, the nature of reality in general, and questions focused on the nature of the channeled entity and the realm from which it hails.

In current times (and I have seen a lot of this) people tend to ask questions that only pertain to themselves and their own personal lives.  I think this tends to attract a lower level of consciousness to the channel because the higher vibration entities recognize that they have nothing useful to offer in that regard.

You mentioned:

Maybe I don’t get it because English is not my first language, but how would you formulate a (requested) hint/advice without using such words?

Questions formulated as "Where should I live?"  "Am I on the right path?"  "Is so-and-so right for me?" belie a true understanding of the level of consciousness that good channeled information comes from, because at high levels those questions are rather meaningless.  So the irony of accessing channeled entities is that the better equipped one is to extract useful information, the less necessary the channel becomes. 

Let's use an example.  I am considering moving to Colorado and am at a channeling session hoping to get more information about the move.

Inquiry:  "Should I move to Colorado?"

Answer:  "We see many possibilities available to you now, and moving to Colorado is one of them.  There are many opportunities that will be available depending on what it is you wish to experience."

I could interpret this as avoidance of the question and leave frustrated, but the truth is that I framed my question within a context of "should" which is, in a higher sense, meaningless.  The entity has no preference where I live.  I need to be more specific in my questioning.

Inquiry:  "I would like to live somewhere with a low probability of experiencing the effects of severe earth changes.  Tell me about the current geophysical conditions of the area known as Colorado, specifically the southwest."

Answer:  "We see that, in the immediate future, this area possesses a great deal of stability with respect to possible effects of earth changes."

Now I've got something that I can chew on.  Does that make more sense?

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

12 (edited by heandras 2006-04-08 13:37:17)

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

Tenetnosce, I think I understood now, what you meant initially. I'm oftentimes a bit afraid to offend people when questioning something they posted. Thanks for your balanced reply.
Your self-made channeling example is what I would regard as a trustworthy source – simply because of its extreme rational, precise approach and the absence of personal bias.
Your example relates to another red flag that came to my mind: The intentional attempt to play on a tendency towards anticipatory thoughts, be it fear or hope.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

heandras, your definition of disinformation works well for me:

heandras wrote:

...the intentional lying toward the recipient

Misinformation differs only slightly in that the person lying may not be aware that they are lying.

As far as the list of words I posted ("ought, have to, must," etc.)...

You're correct, those words by themselves don't indicate disinfo, but using word-forms like that means that the speaker doesn't fully appreciate the choice and freewill of the person they're speaking to.

My understanding of a positive, truthful being is that such a being is non-coercive (they don't command you). 

So such words like "should" are red flags to me, but they don't necessarily mean that the being has a malicious intent.   

Obligation is the mode, I think, of negativity; honoring choice is the mode of positivity.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

heandras wrote:

...another red flag that came to my mind: The intentional attempt to play on a tendency towards anticipatory thoughts, be it fear or hope.

The intention to cause an unbalancing emotional response.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Red Flags of Mis or Dis-information

heandras wrote:
Aquarius wrote:

Great question, and, hoping I don't step on the toes of any of their fans, but naming entities such as Hatonn, St. Germain, Sananda, etc. is a big red flag to me.

No, I’m not a fan of those entities big_smile but why does it make a source suspicious to have a name? I find it quite common to be addressable with a name. Much more doubtful is, when an entity is claiming to be God itself.

Well, heandras, I don't mean just any name, but I do mean those names in particular, along with some others such as Archangel Michael.  I have come across so much nonsense claiming to come from these entities that it is an immediate signal to me to not waste my time.

Also, these particular names seemingly evoke an aura of spiritual authority.  If they referred to themselves as Patsy or Fred, then that would be different.:D

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost