Re: Woo-Woo, Disinfo and Mind Control

morningsun76 wrote:

I would say I hope it's not intentional, but you're already on record as being deceptive in other ways as well, as previously and elsewhere discussed.   That bothers me.  And in my mind it calls into question anything else you may say.   So, regardless of whether the other 80 or 90 percent of your post may be interesting and insightful, it becomes impossible to read it without a great sense of suspicion and unease.

Zarg I mean no disrespect, but this paragraph
from Morningsun76 post is the main feeling…

Joke mode on:
Tell us, you are Senator Palpatine ?
Joke mode off:

Bye, Pictus

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Well, either way aren't we learning from this "situation"?  Seems to me like more are being cautious.  Maybe the lesson is to be more aware of what we read and what information we may choose to accept or disreagard?

As for the whole Stuart Wilde being disinfo, I don't know for sure, but his method doesn't feel to be disinfo.  When he says to use your intuitions and feelings and also encourage medatation and other "puriifying" experiences to help one evolve, doesn't sound too shabby, and is along the lines of "follow your heart".

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

18 (edited by Zarg 2006-03-26 15:33:41)

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A very interesting post from Pictus (above): 

morningsun76 wrote:
I would say I hope it's not intentional, but you're already on record as being deceptive in other ways as well, as previously and elsewhere discussed.   That bothers me.  And in my mind it calls into question anything else you may say.

“…deceptive in other ways as well" …? Go look and count them. There were 2 ‘red herrings’. I exposed them… I didn’t have to. What are the other ways?  Things that people don’t agree with?  I read Montalk’s reply above, and that is a real turn-around, I am surprised. Perhaps he’s under pressure. And he is still not correct about the Chemtrails or the Holy Grail… but who cares? Why is this on a personal level? 

Does his position in this forum give him a stature in people’s eyes that says what he posts is probably correct and that therefore Zarg is wrong…? Is that the reason for the above quote where it says “…as previously and elsewhere discussed." ?

And you all should be cautious when reading ANYBODY’s post. There was disinfo from Orphicart regarding Kokopelli being ‘disfigured’ (In Tattoo thread ) – NOT HER FAULT for reporting that -- the same disinfo was spread about Rasputin. Stories like that gain believability with the telling over years. Indian legends do not confirm it, and doctor’s reports following Rasputin’s death do not confirm it. (Yes, I did the research on both of them.) Yet the ‘exciting’ disinfo continues. 

And my all-time favorite in this forum:  Zonabi shared that he has used Photoshop to forge legal documents... and that got one person’s applause. (See posts #4 and #8 in Aliens in the Media thread.) This may be a felony -- compared to which my ‘red herrings’ pale by comparison. I suggest a reality check for some of you.

BTW, the OPS in this forum know that the issue is not the ‘red herrings’.

Most postings are opinions/hearsay/interesting experiences/quotes and not absolute Truth.  So why would a ‘red herring’ be so far out as to upset anybody? Or is it because I told a major player in this forum that they were ‘wrong’ and I then dissed a sacred cow?

My error was that since the Montalk.net site is so intellectual and professional, I hoped that the related forum would also be a cut above others. More into deep things. My understanding was that we can share, correct each other, disagree, and that we are big enough to give it and take it.  I was wrong.  Say what you want, I will not check further postings.

Adieu

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.

19 (edited by RonD 2006-03-26 22:18:19)

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Never a dull moment in here.

I think gentleness and understanding is THE sign of ultimate access to lasting wisdom.  Otherwise the aggression in thought leads to crash and burn.

I'm learning a great deal from what works . . . and what cannot.

Thanks everybody!

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His words are pretty in a mail-order sort of way. A lot of detox went into these posts.

Sol Luckman
Cofounder, Phoenix Center for Regenetics (http://www.phoenixregenetics.org)
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This was certainly strange, how an interesting poster with fascinating points became so quickly hostile when merely questioned on a few things. Perhaps he came here with too many insecurities gained through bitter experiences elsewhere, and was therefore too quick to react when facing the slightest bit of perceived opposition. False assumptions skewing perception would explain his frequent misrepresentation of the facts.

Whatever the case, he did play into the hands of a continuing agenda to polarize the membership via the typical "candy and daggers" routine. I did not like how he repeatedly turned to me for answers even though it was clear he already had his mind made up, leading me to believe perhaps his continued portrayal of me as some know-it-all was done wittingly or unwittingly to foment further resentment amongst disaffected members. Also, I found it odd how quickly he had available a convenient and largely contrived list of grievances and cheap shots against myself and others, as though he was merely whipping out what he had lined up from the start. Who knows...

All I can say is that a jerk who makes good points is still a jerk. And even if people were programmed and triggered, as my signature below says (copied from a fortune cookie I got yesterday) "you control your response and therein lies your freedom" ... Zarg didn't have to go bananas like this. For someone who preached questioning and discernment, he was awfully harsh with those who questioned him and discerned what missed the mark. For someone who advocates intelligence, he was quick to put NR down for being unintelligent unless we mindlessly agreed with all he said. So very contradictory from one point of view, yet obvious and expected from another. If he had kept his poise and been more open and sincere, perhaps this would have all turned out well. Oh well, so it goes. I wish him well. If anything good came from this furtherance of polarization, it's knowing who your friends are.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Zarg wrote:

Say what you want, I will not check further postings.

Adieu

And adieu to you as well, Zarg!

ANYWAY ...

My vote for best post in this thread goes to SiriArc and Mr. Bill.

hee hee! big_smile

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/siriarc/mrbill.jpg

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montalk wrote:

For someone who preached questioning and discernment, he was awfully harsh with those who questioned him and discerned what missed the mark. For someone who advocates intelligence, he was quick to put NR down for being unintelligent unless we mindlessly agreed with all he said.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I read his final email.

I've enjoyed reading some of his posts but I actually see little evidence that he was looking for intelligent discussion. It would seem that from his point of view we're only having an intelligent discussion if we're all agreeing with what he says. But anyone who dares to question him is obviously an OP about to be recycled. In my opinion that is definitely not the attitude of an enlightened being, so I don't think I'm going to miss Zarg too much.

Clear evidence of intelligent discussion can be found in Tom's comments about chem-trails which clearly make a heck of a lot more sense than Zarg's beliefs. So Zarg, realising there's no way he can make an intelligent rebuttal, instead throws a hissy-fit and leaves. And he says that we're the unintelligent ones!!??

Zarg, if you truly want intelligent discussion, then you'll find it here in spades. If, however, you want us all to bow down before you and agree with every word you say, well I guess this is probably the wrong place for you.

Like Tom, I wish you all the best in finding a more enlightened forum. Please come and tell us about it when you do!

Andy

Join me in Peru to celebrate December 21st 2012 - Visit: http://2012awakeningretreat.com/

24 (edited by Pictus 2006-03-27 05:02:29)

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sol wrote:

His words are pretty in a mail-order sort of way. A lot of detox went into these posts.

Hummm...
I suspect was something darker...

Bye, Pictus

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I've been holding back on this, but I was wondering if Zarg's walk-in was say umm a "Mayan" perhaps? hmm

Never Give Up!

26 (edited by Neomatrix 2006-03-28 08:39:48)

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Greetings all,

I haven't posted here in quite a while, so I figured it was high time for me to make an appearance. This thread is of particular interest to me, because it hits on several issues that I've spent the last several months contemplating, and admittedly I'm not getting very far along with any of it. Zarg makes some interesting comments and observations, although with such arrogant assertion that I sense a belief system is being defended somewhere along the way. Still, it provides a strong catalyst for meaningful debate.

For the last several months I appear to have been suffering from a general disillusionment with any and all things "new age" and/or "woo-woo". Due to the sheer volume of information now available, both on the web and in print, it is becoming harder and harder to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were. My ability to discern fact from fiction, information from disinformation, sense from nonsense, seems to be at an all time low, resulting in such high degrees of frustration for me that I've all but lost interest in making any attempt. I seem to end up spinning my wheels for nothing, and getting caught up in endless contradictions and cross-theories. Calls to simply '"go with whatever resonates for me" are usually nothing more than a license to simply take whatever information fits best into my existing belief system, rather than an unbiased way towards the ever elusive truth. The old questions still remain, and the only thing that I know for sure is that I know bugger all.

Is this world a prison? Or is it a spiritual school? Are we being held here only by layers of well placed deception and manipulation, both on the physical and non-physical levels, or is there some purpose to our being here at this time? Is the world really controlled by reptilians from another dimension, or is this all just another smokescreen designed to steer us in the wrong direction? How much of this reality am I responsible for creating, and how much of it (if any) can I actually change? All these and more are questions that I cannot answer myself, and those that would profess to answer such questions for me I no longer trust to tell the truth (whether by willful deception or ignorant misinformation).

It seems like anyone, even somewhat intelligent folks like Zarg, can say absolutely anything these days and pass it off as the unequivocal truth without offering the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. This is most frustrating, especially for someone like myself who possesses an engineer's mind and thus demands some semblance of evidence to back up lofty claims. Let's start with sourcing our information for starters. If you think that Stuart Wilde, David Icke, or Neale Donald Walsh are not worth listening to, then at least offer some explanation as to why you think this is so. Simply stating that something is "crap" doesn't help anyone here to decide whether this is so for themselves.

Still, I sometimes feel that investing so much thought into these matters is nothing more than intellectual navel gazing. As we sit here pondering and reflecting upon these things, the world outside continues to go to hell in a handbasket. More wars, more debt, more poverty, more suffering, more taxes, more "terrorism", more corruption, more lies, more controls, more bullshit. Everyone that I speak to nowadays seems to be tired, disillusioned and pissed off - myself included. When I look towards the future I see only the inevitability of our present unsustainable society's collapse. There is so much writing on the wall I can no longer see the bricks.

And everything feels completely messed up to me right now. The things that once mattered no longer seem to hold any relevance or importance, and I'm finding it harder to motivate myself towards being even remotely sociable. I would consider the possibility that I am merely depressed, except for the fact that I am not particularly down or unhappy. But it feels now as if the world is splitting in two, and I am not entirely sure which one I am living within. A part of me is still attracted to the old ways of living and working, perhaps because it's all I've ever known in this lifetime, but the other, larger part of me finds it all quite mundane and repulsive.

Perhaps Zarg is right in some of the things he's said. Perhaps we are right now in the 4th density of conscious experience upon this planet, but are being held back by those who would maintain an illusion of 3rd density for their own selfish benefit. Perhaps that's why everything feels wrong, or feels like it's splitting in two. Perhaps we are occupying two worlds: one that is being born, and another that is dying? An interesting possibility.

That's all for now.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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When I was a little baby, sitting on my Mama's knee
She told me, Son if you keep your eyes on" Heaven", "Heaven" is what you'll see!
Old gospel song sung recently by Lyle Lovitt

It is simple ------------We attract what we think about or dwell on! period.

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I love that, SeeMeFly! --same-same as what Seth and the rest of the 'dead guys' say ...and metaphysics, quantum physics, etc ... but I love the way that old gospel songs puts it.
THANKS!
Peace, Summer
PS: AND...ain't it ever the truth! big_smile

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See, See , tis the "Gospel Truth" and yes, Seth, Jesus. Budda And all those other "Dead Guys" said it!

30 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-28 12:50:18)

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Neomatrix wrote:

Is the world really controlled by reptilians from another dimension, or is this all just another smokescreen designed to steer us in the wrong direction?

Well, I'd say it's too soon to know for sure.  But having at least considered this and related possibilities, I think that one is less likely to be caught off guard if aliens related information is ever brought through "official" sources (whether accurately or as a ploy) and not just the entertainment media.

Neomatrix wrote:

If you think that Stuart Wilde, David Icke, or Neale Donald Walsh are not worth listening to, then at least offer some explanation as to why you think this is so. Simply stating that something is "crap" doesn't help anyone here to decide whether this is so for themselves.

I agree.  If you really want to be helpful and not just vent or have some other end in mind, then I think it is useful to have an explanation - even if the explanation is primarily based on intuition.

Neomatrix wrote:

As we sit here pondering and reflecting upon these things, the world outside continues to go to hell in a handbasket. More wars, more debt, more poverty, more suffering, more taxes, more "terrorism", more corruption, more lies, more controls, more bullshit. Everyone that I speak to nowadays seems to be tired, disillusioned and pissed off - myself included. When I look towards the future I see only the inevitability of our present unsustainable society's collapse. There is so much writing on the wall I can no longer see the bricks.

Well, yes.  Due to the outer world situation, it doesn't seem that business and life as usual can go on all that much longer.  Eventually, I think that we will cross thresholds, and people will really start to notice that things are quite a bit different than they used to be.