1 (edited by Zarg 2006-03-25 10:02:23)

Topic: Woo-Woo, Disinfo and Mind Control

Woo-Woo, Disinfo and Mind Control

This will probably be my last major post. I don’t want to repeat myself in topics, I don’t want to discuss woo-woo, and I am tired of the agents of disinfo who pop up in all forums to change thread topics and discredit ideas: done by OPs and well-meaning but deceived humans who are misled to ‘dis’ certain posted info that the PTB don’t want put into any forum.  I don’t know that I can really be effective in disseminating facts at this late date, and some people want to shoot the messenger… or get him to leave.  Agents of disinfo?  Woo-woo?

For example, I suggested that the Loch Ness monster is a 3D illusion provided for our amusement (see John Keel’s book Mysteriors Beings, all of chapter 24).  Some people didn’t like that... they want to believe it is a Pleisiosaur – a swimming remnant of the dinosaur era. Loch Ness is a freshwater lake. The Atlantic Ocean is salty. Since the Loch has been scanned from stem to stern by radar, and the few caves have been explored, and the ‘beast’ has not been found, they suggest it swims in and out from the Ocean thru underground passages. Most fish and swimming mammals can handle fresh or salty water, but not both. Think.
(http://education.yahoo.com/reference/en … y/Ness-Loc)

The same thing applies to Bigfoot and Mothman -- they immediately disappear after being seen. No one has captured one. No one knows where they live… but it makes great entertainment. There is a Raptor-like dinosaur reported to have been caught in the African Congo – but it was set free (www.dinosauria.com/jdp/misc/africa.htm), and there are tracks and skins in the Brazilian jungle suggesting 50’ snakes live there.  More woo-woo.

Agents of Disinfo? Threads that take an off-topic turn. Readers who demand proof for things that they know cannot be proven (and require higher inner knowing), but they ask it anyway to cast doubts on those who do know... and what is sad is that some of these people don’t even know they’re being used. I believe the word is ‘puppet.’ They are mind-controlled, or seriously deceived.

What is woo-woo?  Anybody who thinks that Stuart Wilde is a believable spiritual leader has been deceived. He sounds like an agent of disinfo: he is juvenile but entertaining. ‘Stuie’ knows what sells -- telling you that his walls morphed, or that he met a woman goddess who called herself She-She-La-La. Or that he met the devil and feels sorry for him: needs to feel love for him. And a cute quote: “We are not here. It is all a farce, an illusion."  Clever, but crap.
More than likely, he was messed with by the Lizzies if he himself believes these things. If he doesn’t believe it, he’s jerking you around.

Anybody who thinks David Icke is 100% right has no discernment. He has some facts but develops the wrong conclusions. I have met him and he is very intense and has a lot of facts; he is just misled. David  tells people that the Lizzies shapeshift, that loving them is the answer, and that Jesus was invented by the Piso family. All 3 are wrong. David was ‘fed’ disinfo and since he does 2-second research, he bought it. He’s getting the feedback however and has shifted direction – see his latest book (Infinite Love is the Only Truth).

And lastly, anybody who thinks Neal Donald Walsch  is a spiritual guru who really talks to God, is lost. Sure, he may be talking to his Higher Self, and that is a point of connection to God, but I have met the man, and while very sincere, he appears to have been deceived as well. Things he talks about in his books are Metaphysics 101 and sometimes less… is this the kind of   info you’d expect from the Higher Self? Compare it with Ra’s info.

And the real gurus, like Amitakh, Ra, Q’uo are either ‘dissed’ or they are just given passing nods. They are not entertaining. Don’t believe me or any ‘guru’, either -- check it out. Use your own inner voice, your gut feeling, does what they say ‘ring true’? Sorry, but if we can tell the truth here, this should be said.


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It is not wrong to look at or talk about the above subjects. The problem is in being fascinated by them, not knowing what they really are, arguing about them, AND you have given ground to the enemy to manipulate you. I’m going to say this twice because it is important:

If they can get you to believe something that they planted in your head (it has their vibration and ‘signature’), they have access to your head thru that ‘implant’ or meme.

I give the above examples to show how hard it is to discover and know any Truth on this planet since the agents of disinformation have either destroyed it, hidden it in secret societies, or warped it by imbedding false information. That is where the Wanderers and Walk-Ins come in bearing Light; but how can you know if anybody is telling the truth if your discernment is shut down, or skewed by partial disinfo?

Your ability to discern is directly proportional to your level of awareness which is directly proportional to the amount of  real Knowledge you carry.

I know a woman who has dug into everything and likes parts of it, having decided for herself what is so and what isn’t . Because she carries a lot of disinfo, and has decided that some disinfo is true (because she likes it), she resonates with similar new disinfo that she comes across and so deepens the deception in which she lives. She has no discernment. What she hasn’t discovered is that liking something does not mean it is true. The Truth sounds funny to her because so many parts of what she believes have an aggregate vibration that resonates with the False now.

Knowing a little bit about everything is not serving anybody.

I know a sincere young man who is fascinated with the Templar, Rosslyn, Magdalene, Black Madonna information and spends all his time learning about that. Most of what is published in that area is froo-froo to sell books.
The issue of the Holy Grail is a mistranslation:  it was written SANG REAL meaning 'holy blood,' and by some (deliberate?) goof with the letters, it came out as SAN GREAL -- 'holy grail'.  And the Black Madonna had nothing to do originally with her skin color -- it was a sign of priestly rank to wear black and people deified Magdalene by presenting her in black. It was a short jump from there to her being dark-skinned. That simple.

As I said once before, the enemy will try to stop you from growing, learning -- and to do that, he blocks your ‘ears’, so you can’t ‘hear’ what is being said. Failing that, he’ll try to block your understanding, and failing that, he’ll get you to do nothing about what you heard and understood… one less person doing the right thing. That’s why the Light is here: to offset and sustain this drive into 4th D.

The agents of disinfo are a mixture of synthetics/OPs and real people who are misled, ‘mind controlled’. Largely from the 4th where they have more power than if they were embodied in the 3rd. How can this happen?

1. If you believe the wrong things, you can and will be manipulated. That’s the reason for disinformation. I went into this in a prior post and won’t repeat it here -- I suggest you look at it again if you don’t know how this works. (Too many people are ‘speed reading’ my posts; I have written more than you read… and the enemy likes it that way.)

2. People are unaware that some thoughts go thru their heads that are not theirs.
If the enemy wants to sidetrack you, all he has to do is put a thought in your head that starts with the word “I”  and you’ll think it’s yours.  That’s the problem (and has been for centuries since your DNA was manipulated , removing the power of discernment from you) -- you can’t tell the difference between your thoughts and those sent to you by someone else! So you are not aware, and you don’t suspect.

There is nothing easier than to manipulate earth people… low vibrations and ego trips.

Incidentally, there are no ‘red herrings’ in this post. I am very serious, and am not beating around the bush, trying to be nice so as to not offend anyone. I am not trying to deliberately offend, either.

There has been a lot on timelines, timeloops, and the Shift/Wave -- whatever you call it. I am going to set that record straight, inasmuch as I was just given it today. I demanded an answer and was given one. This planet is already into the 4th dimension (the ‘Wave’ peak already hit, you are now in the ‘trail off’ phase of same). You were right -- for whatever reason some of you were saying “What if the Wave already came and went?”  It did. And as some of you have correctly speculated, the PTB are desperately trying to maintain an illusion of 3D because that makes it easier to control you… God forbid you discover you’re in the 4th and can intend, will and manifest things! 

This was the ‘below the surface’ meaning of the Insider’s question:  “Are you really living on the planet you think you are?"  This is why she then stated that the earth is a prison. Know what’s going on , wake up, clean up your act, claim your heritage, bust the Lizzie game, and get the hell out of here.

Those who thought the Insider’s message was negative did not get the message. You are trapped in what you want to believe.

But, you object, everybody on the planet is still here… no one disappeared.
Do you really know that? A lot of the people ‘still here’ in my life now have no auras -- low vibration 3D souls didn’t make it -- what you and I are seeing is placeholders. Remember, your eyes are not really ‘windows’ and you see what you have been entrained/conditioned to see.

Several 3D timelines made it into the 4th, many did not. There they converged, which is why some people have seen street sign names change, ‘loops’ repeat, even some cases of DEJA VU were ‘timeloops’ -- I explained this in another post: the timeline with the most energetic coherence dominates when the timelines merge. But there may be a loop effect as they assimilate into one… the same part of the 2nd timeloop sequentially follows the same part in the 1st timeloop -- instead of overlaying it seamlessly as should happen… this is because the linear parts are not aligned with each other do to adjacent parts of the timelines being longer or stronger than others. This looks like a ‘glitch’ while it is an assimilation-resolution, melding the two timelines into one cohesive timeline with only 1 dominant event (ie, redundancy is normally removed thru superposition, but may be resolved thru linear/sequential absorption… but the 2nd duplicate event has to ‘play’ to be absorbed into the first, or the first into the second, whichever has the dominant energy signature.)

So how does mind control from the 4th operate? 

What do you think all the sex and violence are for on the TV? Who do you think ‘inspired’ the TV programming? Why do you think there is so much disinformation? If they can get you to believe something that they planted in your head, they have access to your head thru that ‘implant’ or meme. Nothing they implant will lead you to use your higher charkas.

It is all to entrain you into your lower 3 chakras. You have to be locked into your bottom 3 chakras to be totally controlled. Insipid public education (telling you what to believe), insipid printed media further reinforcing the illusion of freedom of press (it has been controlled for over 40 years), and  false, contradictory religions to promote argument and wars. The Danish cartoon mess supposedly insulting the leader of Islam could be resolved peacefully within 5 minutes -- if that were the goal. But it is important to foster a negative image of Iran and its people -- to eventually justify another war. 

Satellites in orbit that bathe the planet in electronics, ground transmitters (qv the Woodpecker in Russia and HAARP in Alaska) that broadcast ELF waves, and subliminal messages in radio, TV and movies -- all assist to entrain you into a manipulable state of mind (alpha). That’s how hypnosis works.

Thursday night, at 9pm, the power went out in our part of town for almost 1 hour. I had had a hard day at the office, was tired, and so I sat in the dark, relaxing. I went over and turned all switches to the off position as an experiment. At the end of the power blackout, I felt recharged. I was not meditating, just relaxing. As I sat there eyes closed with everything off, all  off, the power came back on, and I knew it because I felt a jangling ‘buzzing’ energy surround me again. I looked over at the TV area and the little red lights were back on from all the electronic stuff the landlady has there. What a difference.

And then the coup de grace is any covert ‘Manchurian candidate’ programming going on, or just plain mental imposition of a will from the 4th D is enough. Since electrical energy  and life energy (Chi) always flow from the higher potential to the lower potential, it is no surprise that a 4D entity using his energy and directing his will to influence and/or mentally program a 3rd level person is effective. Especially where the 3rd level people are (1) unaware, (2) disbelieving if told, and (3) generally undisciplined mentally anyway.  (It IS a violation of Freewill, but what you’re not aware of can be violated easily.)

Knowledge protects, but how many of you are following what I’m saying here?  You can’t protect what you’re not aware of. Are you learning, increasing your awareness, protecting your backside, sharing with others?

Or are you an agent of disinformation, chatting up a storm over woo-woo subjects, and challenging those who give insights? This forum should be a place to build each other up. Wake each other up. When your awareness is higher, you won’t be getting into a snit over tatoos or rap music -- you will see them for what they are.

My intention has been to provide insights, ideas for growth, some Light here and there, encourage people to wake up, and sometimes this effort has stepped on some sacred cows that are nothing but straw dogs. If you are on a fast bus heading for the cliff, I’d think you’d want to know.

You are eternal souls, seeking the Light to fulfill your divine birthright. Sure there is no problem with not making it this time -- you can always be recycled as long as you love the drama, sex, violence of 3rd level.… But there is a higher way, a spiritual rapture exceeding the hottest orgasm, a Love that exceeds whatever can be found on Earth, not to mention incredible beauty in other planets and realms that make Earth vistas pale by comparison. You are limited to the 5 senses which see but a fraction of what can be seen… colors in vortices, energy dances, realm boundries, and  auras of the masters, and their masters.

How does one stop mental manipulation? Knowledge and awareness; asking to grow spiritually (ask and it is given); white lighting oneself; putting a hand over the solarplexus to stop energy drain (usually goes with manipulation); and  bad habits must be stopped (no junk food, no alcohol, no drugs, no smoking, etc) -- these all weaken the aura and invite unwanted parasites and Negative Thought Forms (NTFs). If your aura is strong, that is your first line of protection. Knowledge is the second -- get rid of false beliefs, and ingest real knowledge, real Light. A third one could be meditation on the Light (after protecting onesself). A fourth one would be to be careful whom you channel or listen to (if others channel for you).

As soon as you respect yourself, and clean the ‘temple’, you will find your awareness growing… IF that is your intent. BTW, higher awareness is not impervious to mental manipulation from the 4th, but (as in my case) I know when it is happening, and I know how to stop it. (If you can’t stop it yourself, ask some higher power that you trust to stop it for you.)

Let’s take advantage of this forum, get some real knowledge, and kick Lizard butt. Take advantage of the 4th D higher vibrations. Test the waters. While I don’t generally like a lot of the BS coming at us from the New Age, in this case, we can ‘act as if’ we are empowered by the higher vibrations,  set our intent and will and go for it. Be kind. Have compassion.

Namaste.

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.

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Re: Woo-Woo, Disinfo and Mind Control

I love your posts and hope you continue.  What is wrong with repeating yourself? 

The intensity of your language grounds your concepts, even if it is not my style.  Maybe a gentler approach wouldn't be as effective in our world today. 

You present a great deal of truth from my perspective.

Thanks

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Zarg wrote:

What is woo-woo?  Anybody who thinks that Stuart Wilde is a believable spiritual leader has been deceived. He sounds like an agent of disinfo: he is juvenile but entertaining. ‘Stuie’ knows what sells -- telling you that his walls morphed, or that he met a woman goddess who called herself She-She-La-La. Or that he met the devil and feels sorry for him: needs to feel love for him. And a cute quote: “We are not here. It is all a farce, an illusion."  Clever, but crap.
More than likely, he was messed with by the Lizzies if he himself believes these things. If he doesn’t believe it, he’s jerking you around.

External or Internal Knowledge and Awareness?  I am not going to argue for Stuart Wilde - but surely anyone can see that he talks in metaphores.

He met the Devil and felt sorry for him...he even kissed the Devil I believe.  What if I tell you I have had the same experience?  That the Devil came up behind me with a dagger - I saw it in a mirror.  For a moment I was a bit scared, then I realised he couldn't hurt me - so I told him that I love him.  Then he disappeared.  I am sure he still lurks about a bit though...

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You made plenty of interesting posts, Zarg, but inevitably brought this upon yourself. Regarding disinfo, which is the intentional posting of false information, your admitted use of red herrings - the intentional posting of false information - is very similar. Even if done under benign intentions, it does diminish rapport by patronizing people and making them increasingly suspicious of whether you even believe in what you're posting or just tossing more red herrings.

Posters participate under the assumption that others are writing out of conviction, that certain beliefs are best respected, that not all one knows or agrees with must necessarily be commented on. So when you "test the waters" you are in effect abusing this trust, which beckons a response that then ironically leads to your disaffection. Also, it is strange to openly invite disagreement by posting false information, then getting hostile when people disagree with you. In essence, your satisfaction depends not only on people entirely agreeing with what you believe, but also disagreeing with what you do not believe. Understandably, this made some posters keep their distance, myself included.

I agree with most of what you have said during your time here. And so do many others here, some of whom will no doubt see only that and ignore the rest. Only parts I disagreed with were the red herrings, which out of courtesy I contradicted indirectly merely by stating my own opinion rather than getting in your face, which ended up going unnoticed, and several ideas you believe to be true but I think miss the mark. Question is, do I call you out on those as well? Not without the risk of alienating you, but at this point that no longer matters, so here goes a demonstration of conviction.

1) Chemtrails to combat global warming? That is a nice cover story for something far more exotic and sinister. A couple years ago an insider coolly explained how the chemtrail program sought to deflect solar radiation to offset an imminent global warming catastrophe. His slick voice gave him away, and the flaws in his explanations were glaring only to the perceptive. An alternate idea is that ozone holes were growing beyond containment and UV radiation could only be blocked by chemtrail cover. Both of those theories are bullshit because  1) they are being heavily pushed,  2) chemtrails are sprayed in the evenings and late nights -- I have seen them numerous times, 3) chemtrails contain biological vectors, 4)  it targets population areas, 5) spraying is heaviest on days and especially evenings when people are likely to be outdoors due to better weather and festivities, and 6) spraying happens in phases and stops for weeks at a time occasionally. Chemtrails have little if anything to do with global warming or UV radiation blocking, and more to do with combined chemical, biological, and scalar electromagnetic suppression and monitoring of target populations. It is the only answer that fits, at least way more so than the lame idea of global warming. Perhaps the pilots are told the global warming excuse so that they go along willingly, but they are being duped just like everyone else who buys this government disinformation.

2) Loch Ness, Chupacabras, Bigfoot and Mothman being holographic projections -- any idea how many times Bigfoot-type creatures have been described along side reptilians and grays in abduction accounts? Too many to dismiss. They are not holographic projections, they are a species of large hairy humanoids that are sometimes seen working for the lizzies. The Ra Material even talks about them. They might even be bi-density, or have the ability to phase in and out of dimensions like the rest of the alien crew. There are holographic projections, like the Virgin Mary apparitions and other stuff that makes it into Fortean Times, but not everything can be lumped into that category. Some of it could be natural dimensional anomalies allowing other dimensional creatures here, just as some people have been known to wander into other dimensions or time periods in history accidentally.

3) Holy Grail - more unwitting deception. It was never literally a cup, obviously. But the "corrected" translation is also too obvious and deceptively incomplete. The Merovingians being descendants of Jesus is a lie propagated by Gardner and his sources and derivatives like The Da Vinci Code. The truly sacred bloodline is polar opposite what you find in today's royal families, the latter having been bred into a genetic cesspool of vibrational characteristics conducive to lizzie shadowing. The true family of light is largely anonymous and spread out among the population for their own safety, sometimes even anonymous to themselves. The Holy Grail. What is it? It is the gear that turns this world and the principle within us that brings transcendence. It is both a transdimensional device and our spiritual core within that has access to it. It is the keystone, the millstone, the philosopher's stone, the stone that fell from heaven, the ark of the covenant, etc... All of which ties loosely into the bloodline idea since it's a bloodline that carries the destiny to be guardians of the Grail, though it's the STS bloodlines that are desperately hunting for it to acquire ultimate dominion over this realm.

4) No one here thinks David Icke is 100% right. Not many here have ever dissed the Ra Material (which tends to go highly respected on this forum and discussed so much in the past that recently, during your time at NR, it seems to only get a passing nod). Stuart Wilde: entertainment factor aside he still offers practical knowledge that rings true. Entertainment and knowledge are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you were thinking of Sean David Morton? And yes, Neal Donald Walsch was probably speaking to his Higher Self, a projection of God but not "God" in totality as assumed. As for Nibiruans and cube sun? Please...

When I post, no one is obligated to agree with me or respond to me. I share my views and some reasons for them, people take what they like and leave the rest. I have never tested the waters by tossing in red herrings because it goes against my conscience and still fails to distinguish between those too gullible to protest and those too wise to pipe up against every challenge to their belief systems. I think that as much as our beliefs have in common, the difference of approach and attitude has led to some friction compounded by false assumptions.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

5 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-03-25 12:27:40)

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Thank you, Zarg.
I read the Insider posts and was very impressed by them.  I could only get a couple of
my friends to even pay attention to them enough to read them.  It seems that people
would rather believe things that make them feel good rather than things that wake them up.

About 4 or 5 months ago it seemed as if there was a huge ZONK and disconnect that
made it almost impossible to concentrate on even minor things.  Then, as Marcus pointed
out (I believe it was Marcus) there was this feeling of flatness and emptiness and of
things in everyday life totally losing their meaning and value.  Then there was (for me) this
feeling that none of the things that used to matter were important any more.  Perhaps it
was a final falling away of some ot the maya illusion.  Different parts of town that had been
my old stomping grounds seem changed forever and unfamiliar.  None of the distractions
that used to entertain me had any interest for me. 

It's like going to the grocery store late at night and seeing these motioness people standing
in the aisles who are only activated when I turn down that aisle.  Otherwise they're just
acting like furniture.

Again, thank you for your posts.  I appreciate your disposal of some sacred cows along the way.
Regards,
TP

6 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-25 14:48:47)

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Zarg wrote:

This planet is already into the 4th dimension (the ‘Wave’ peak already hit, you are now in the ‘trail off’ phase of same). You were right -- for whatever reason some of you were saying “What if the Wave already came and went?�  It did. And as some of you have correctly speculated, the PTB are desperately trying to maintain an illusion of 3D because that makes it easier to control you… God forbid you discover you’re in the 4th and can intend, will and manifest things!

Yes, the RA material discussed this.  As far back as the early 1980s, this planet was described as being 3d and 4d.  So the 4th density is already here.  Yes, we can intend, will, and manifest things. 

I think that being a 3d/4d planet is different than being all the way into 4th density.  For example, I think that telepathy would be more prevalent.

My feeling/intuition is that the vibrational level of this planet is continuing to increase.  I don't know how you define "the Wave" but if it is considered to be a shift to a higher vibrational level then I think that there is plenty that has yet to manifest with regard to that change.

Zarg wrote:

What is woo-woo?  Anybody who thinks that Stuart Wilde is a believable spiritual leader has been deceived.

You seem so sure of yourself here.  Some people may express ideas in a theatrical manner.  Also, when we move beyond 5 sense reality (or even within it), is it possible to meet a goddess?  Is it possible to talk with the devil? 

Consider the 4th dimension that you say is already here.  My understanding is that in the 4th dimension, time and space are not the boundaries that we experience them in 3d.  Given that, is the idea of moving through a wall really so hard to imagine?  If the other dimensions are already here, then maybe a wall could morph and provide a gateway to one of these other realms.

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Personally, I happen to be in agreeance with Zarg on both his methods and his content. One of the reasons I took leave of this forum in the first instance was because of the sad decline in posting content, the amount of posters who say they are "awakened" etc and then continue to buy into irrelevant and distracting subjects. There is alot of insight to be gleaned from many of the posters here, but the majority seem to me to be hobbyist idealists picking what "resonates" (read: fits in with their ego wants) with them.
Thankyou, Zarg, for the information you -have- posted, and I find it sad that your information is disregarded by some just because of your tactics. It can't all be "light and love", sometime people are going to have to wake up to the reality of things and stop putting stock in projected messiahs, whether in the form of a benevolent saviour, UFOs sweeping in from a higher -D- or a shift in the level of consciousness that will miraculously happen without any effort required.
Time to wake up, we are all a division turned inward, eternally reflecting. To admire a view is vanity and humility.

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

8 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-03-25 21:30:51)

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Zarg, your posts are all very, very intresting and I do find myself resonating to what you are saying.  Right now I feel as if I should just write exactly what I feel inclined to write.

When you started posting here I was always drawn to your posts, then after your posts received "opposite" feedback, I began to think, "Well maybe you are the one posting disinfo".  That could be an example of meme's and thought forms.  Regardless, I would like to thank you for your posts, actually, I'd like to thank everyone that participates on this forum.

I am going to re-read your threads, because I probably missed some things that may-or-may not contain the Truth.

These past few years for me have been off the walls.  And everyday things keep getting confusing in a good way. (It's really undescribable).  All the "Knowledge" that has come my way, like different dimensions, group consciousness, global control etc, has all came to me in the past 3 years.  Not to meantion my external life has changed dramatically over those years.  Three years ago I was living at home with my mom and dad, and now I'm living on my own, totally independant of them, meanwhile, both my parents not understand where I come from most of the time. 

Now why am I saying this?

  Because now I am at the point where almost everything feels messed up.  This was my first year of university and seeing through the illusion of "education" my first term I passed with a 52% average, while only attending 1/3 of the classes, and this term I have four exams coming up and I haven't been going to class for 3-4 weeks.  And on top of that in my philosophy class, the book we're reading says that everything meta-physical is an illusion and isn't needed to live a "fullfiling" life, thus concluding by saying "We are our practices".  The whole time thinking, "OK, we are war, we are hatred, we are being sick, we are our addictions".  Through my pappers and in class I attempt to being other ideas into the classroom, but the teacher can definitively say what is "wrong" and what is "right". 

At work is a totally different story.  Imagine taking pop-culture and sticking inside a pizza place.  All the time everyone is talking about materialism and objectifying women.  Today actually, we had a discussion, with the main question being, "Can you retire with a million dollars".  Everyone said no, exect for this one guy and me, we said "It depends on how you use it".  Then our boss went on to say that "It doesn't matter how much money you have, everyone ends up spending too much anyways".  (Most peaple in that place always thinks they are right, and proceedingly know how the rest of the world works).  I disagreed with him stating that a balenced person may have the ability to live of a million dollars.  Of course, nobody listens to each other. About the objectifying women part - every girl that walks into the store they immediatly classify as "hot or not", then they discuss their features among each other for about 5-10 minutes.

Now about the school aspect of my life situation, the whole time while not attending I felt guilty.  And all year I have been struggling with this.  Why?  Everyone around me didn't understand why I was not going to school, or why I was not just 'grinding it out' so I could have a "high paying job" in the unmaterialized future.  Everyone that I was around said this,  So I thought to myself that I may be attracting these people to push me to DO the work.  Well I still haven't but this time it feels like the quilt has vanished. I feel that I made the right choice, but thats all I have to go on. 

I feel like its time to let go of all that I just said and start doing what I know I should be doing.  Just like in the movie "The Matrix", "There is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path". 

Zarg, this post has made me look at myself and what needs to be done. 

I wish everyone the best in their self-discovery journey.  Thank you.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Wikipedia wrote:

Straw Man
In logic and rhetoric

A straw-man argument is the practice of refuting a weaker argument than an opponent actually offers. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is also a logical fallacy, since the argument actually presented by your opponent has not been refuted, only a weaker argument.

One can set up a straw man in the following ways:

   1. Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted. [...]

Source

Zarg, I have found some of your posts interesting as well ... but some of the things you say make me wonder.   In this thread, for example, what stands out to me in your opening post is what appears to be a rapid-fire barrage of straw-man attacks:

Zarg wrote:

Anybody who thinks that Stuart Wilde is a believable spiritual leader has been deceived.

Who ever said that Stuart Wilde was a "believable spiritual leader?"   Why are you using such loaded language?  Wilde is an author whom many users of this forum enjoy reading, because they find him talented and in-tune with the spiritual subjects he writes about.  No one ever suggested he is a "leader" to be followed, or "believable" -- as if he were making statements so outrageous that "believability" was even a question.

Zarg wrote:

Anybody who thinks David Icke is 100% right has no discernment.

Who ever said that "David Icke is 100% right?"  I don't recall EVER hearing someone say such a thing, whether here on NR or elsewhere.  So why are you pretending that people are responding to Icke as some kind of infallible deity?   That is quite clearly not the case, and is a ridiculous suggestion for you to make.

Zarg wrote:

And lastly, anybody who thinks Neal Donald Walsch  is a spiritual guru who really talks to God, is lost.

... because you say so.  More of the same.

Zarg wrote:

And the real gurus, like Amitakh, Ra, Q’uo are either ‘dissed’ or they are just given passing nods ...

And now here you make a blanket assertion of who the "real gurus" are -- and obviously anyone who doesn't see things your way is "deceived," "lost," or just-plain-wrong.  Sorry, I don't buy it.   

These sorts of all-encompassing, sweeping judgements leave me ice-cold.   You continue to resort to using various sorts of deceptive debating techniques to persuade others to accept your views.  Such behavior is not only unethical, but a very hallmark of those who disseminate disinformation.  But "disinfo and mind control" is exactly the title you chose for this thread, isn't it?   neutral

I would say I hope it's not intentional, but you're already on record as being deceptive in other ways as well, as previously and elsewhere discussed.   That bothers me.  And in my mind it calls into question anything else you may say.   So, regardless of whether the other 80 or 90 percent of your post may be interesting and insightful, it becomes impossible to read it without a great sense of suspicion and unease.

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[As usual, Ferit enters to the stage a bit late. The more he wants to concentrate on his research, the more business demands comes over him, but this is another story. Ferit looks around and wonders: is it fulll moon time again?

Then Ferit sees the danger of saying anything here. If he says "Zarg, I usually print your posts and share with some friends here - but I find your style & attitude totally unrelated to what you say" he has the risk of being a disinfo agent. He may even be an OP without his knowing! Ferit shivers. If he says, "allright Stuie is woo-woo, Icke is plain wrong and Neale Donald is a money-maker" he's under risk of being easily influenced by some cleverly written post.

Anyway, Ferit decides to remain silent. The best thing is go and have a good breakfast in Istanbul Bhosphorus he says to himself. He wonders if there will be any time to have breakfast with some NR people in some place and have a talk to see it's easier to write/decide/claim about people when one do not see the eyes of others... Then his thoughts slip to a fine breakfast table near seaside, his lower chakras are in control once more]

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

11 (edited by SiriArc 2006-03-26 01:36:40)

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zarg wrote:

This will probably be my last major post.

Anybody who thinks that.......

Blablablablablablabla.......

Yet again (!) thinking you’re qualified to interpret another Person's Synergy and Response to a given piece of information - That your discernment is sooo much deeper - JFP !!!

So as to your last ‘last major post’:

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12 (edited by Risen 2006-03-26 02:31:14)

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I've found a great home at NR and great allies in many of you here... HOWEVER...

I've tried to be a nice guy to everyone up to now, but I'm seriously seeing the need to start being brutally honest, and stop worrying about what vibe I put off.  In the past that's led people to think I'm a militant member of the dark, but screw what they think.  They'll figure it out in the end.

[If you don't like what I post, move on.  Can't phase me.]

Zarg:
First off, I think those were pretty low blows on Stuie, David Icke, and other people and theories you mentioned above.  You cannot truly say anything is true, except for yourself.  So you certainly can't categorize anyone, as "woo-woo" etc, except for yourself.  What you think of another does not neceesarily hold true as my opinion of that person.  You can claim it as a possibility, even a probability, but you are only in control of your own reality (if even that). 

Bottom line here:  You (yes, even you) dont *know* shite.

1) Nobody here has said they believe Icke 100%.  Furthermore I don't know *anyone* who believes *anyone* 100%.  So obviously this was strange for you to say (or was it now, hmm?).

2) I'm beginning to dislike the term "resonate".  So I'll say that Wilde doesn't "vibe" with me.  But that does not disqualify everything or even any thing he says.  There is a lot of useful information at his site, and works that cause one to think.  Even if the only thing something does is cause one to think, I say it's useful.  So while Wilde doesn't necessarily "vibe" with me, I have no argument with him.  And I still read his works for ideas and inspiration.

3) I'm not sure what I think about Loch Ness and others.  And I don't think anyone can claim to know 100%, so you can't exactly bash on the theories of other people!  They must be respected only for what they are: theories.  This goes for *anything*, not just Loch Ness.  -- Most fish can handle only fresh or salty?  The keyword here, Zarg, is most.  I know of fish that can handle either with a bit of acclimation.



[everyone else:]

I'm beginning to notice a certain division among members here that I was unaware of.  I'm not sure exactly what's at the bottom of this, but we seem to have mainly -- not varying levels or arrangements of people -- but 2 distinct sides of the fence here.  Let's hope that the two sides of the fence can continue working together and stop bashing one another.  We could all be right here.

PnL LnL and all that good stuff.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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I apologize for the double post.  But I just wanted to suggest that, since to my knowledge nobody has captured a Lizzie and they've been known to just disappear after being spotted, as Zarg suggested perhaps they are "woo-woo" and should no longer be considered as valid for discussion.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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Forgive me for putting my 2 cents worth in.....I must be missing something here. I thought that I had been keeping up with all of Zarg's posts and the responses.  I dont understand the attitude. I thought everybody was just responding with their views.  I really havent noticed anyone strictly avering to Ick, Wilde, theory, etc. I thought the purpose here is to throw some info in, and let people take from it what they want.  I stick with this forum because I never felt like anybody was saying this is "right" and you are an ass if you think otherwise. So what if one of us has a "woo woo" moment. Maybe some people are just waking up to these moments, and want to share with others that might help to explain them. Isnt that what this forum is all about?  Zarg I have appreciated all your posts..who knows, you could be right about everthing, or not.  I am just not understanding the disappointment you have for the people on this forum.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

15 (edited by Imhotep7 2006-03-29 17:49:00)

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Well, Zarg, even though you called Seth a 'low life entity' ...I would like to quote him as my way of putting in my 2 cents worth here:

"You get what you concentrate upon. There is no other main rule."

We all learn from each other. We are all each others teachers.

Betty