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JT,
Thank you very much for taking the time to post so clearly a part of your Ayahusca experience.
Confirms my decision not to go there, though 
And thanks for posting the above by Don Juan. On an earlier thread with BB I mentioned this part of Castenada and the predator but didn't know where it was exactly.
Christine B.
I just now realized why, maybe Icke did not have the huge change. His assemblage point is pretty fixed. Concretized, as they say. So, his reality may have shifted some BUT he didn't find himself in different worlds.
This may sound incredibly determinist, but maybe Icke didn't see further in the illusion because it could have affected his soul mission, which could "only" be to inform people on "lower" reality manipulations. I believe more and more we're only shown what we can handle, and what is useful for us. That's another reason why new age stuff bothers me sometimes: this tendency to believe that everyone can see auras, use telepathy, astral travel, etc. Yes we can all do this in other dimensions, but we are not all meant to access these skills in this current dimension, in this current lifetime. To see those with these abilities as spiritually superior is an illusion, and only serves to feed negative energies (pride/shame, in that case)
Excellent points and well put. Thank you.
Christine B.
PS: I will say that having heard Icke, he is one of the most focused speakers I've ever heard. A far better "speaker" for example, than SW.
Is this Ayahusca like this other altering plant substance... I think it's called Davine?, but not sure of the spelling. A friend has twice gone on shamanistic journeys drinking some of this Davine stuff and both times had really rough experiences.
Ayahuasca is a plant brew or plant teacher from South America. It is a natural hallucenogenic containing the banned substance DMT.
Apparently DMT is also found everywhere in nature in tiny quantities, as well as being produced by the Pineal Gland in the human brain - interestingly excessive amounts of DMT are produced at two stages in life - Birth & Death.
I do believe that DMT is one of the links in the chain and in time will prove to be so.
A great place to read further on this would be "DMT The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman MD.
Regards
JT
A great place to read further on this would be "DMT The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman MD.
I was about to leave this thread until I saw this. I was recommended to read this 6 months ago and didn't. Maybe I should take a look. 
Apparently DMT is also found everywhere in nature in tiny quantities, as well as being produced by the Pineal Gland in the human brain - interestingly excessive amounts of DMT are produced at two stages in life - Birth & Death.
I think I can sum up everything of what I believe in this topic. I think, respectively, that it's irresponsible to take the Ayahusca at our current state.
Our endocrine system, pineal gland, pituitary, and hypothalamus are innate in our bodies. Yet, the pineal gland and pituitary are basically offline. They are offline because the DNA that operates them is offline. So this is a message to all of those who wish to enter such states: Our bodies are offline from these functions and it must be assumed that the safeguards in our psyches are also offline.
It is unsafe, unethical, and reckless on our minds and bodies to take this substance. It is a risk to damaging whatever accomplishments anyone potentially has for probable futures. When time is not included in our awareness, one has eternity to enter such realms and experience dark-matter perception. If the channeled sources are right and the DNA activation occurs in full-capacity within a decade, then everyone can go ahead and enter such realms naturally very soon. Ayahusca throws in a uni-dimensional individual into a multi-dimensional environment. The person is uni-dimensional because he/she is not aware (hence his offline DNA) of his multidimensional essence.
Of course I'm sure there are those who set their lives to battle such realms (shamans) but for those who have multiple paths in this world, it is equivalent to a white guy entering a black-neighbourhood with a KKK-mask on. So even though you can probably get away with it a couple times (with damage sustained!), there is no way I can believe that person will NOT distraught his mental and hence physical functions. To tell you the truth, I think it's even foolish for shamans to get into the practice of it, because it is foolish to believe that the astral realms do not already have gate-keepers and light-warriors of higher-intelligence and awareness.
There's a difference between the shamans of the past and the shamans of today. About 10 strands of difference.
What would a tribe of elders say to a tribe of children (humans) when they wish to go into such dark forests?
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Anyways, I've said my peace. I dont mean to disrespect anyone who thinks otherwise, but I'm sure everyone can respect to have both sides on the table. And I don't mean to imply that anyone here is endorsing using the substance, just that if anyone ever does read this thread that is about to or is considering taking Ayahusca, I'd like for my thoughts to be here. Makes me sleep better at night anyway, so I guess i'm the selfish one, hehe.
Well, I'm off to Qigong.
Namaste.
You fail to take into account that we all have numerous guides in higher dimensions to help and protect us (many shamans start their work by finding their power animals or spiritual guides), and that we'll never be presented situations where we have absolutely no chance to survive. Instead of rationalizing the fears (or foolishness), I think it's best to listen to our higher self which knows better what is good for us. Personnaly I was given plenty of opportunities and rational reasons to try hard drugs but, up until now, my intuition always sent strong messages warning me it wasn't a good idea. I can however believe that such drugs can be useful, given the proper set & setting, and I keep myself open to such possibilities in the future.
I also do not think that the ability to travel safely in these other worlds is only related to higher strands/chakras. I know from experience that my difficulty to go to such worlds naturally is due to my lack of grounding (two lower chakras). My body/ego is afraid to let me go, because it thinks I won't come back. I'd guess this is also why my intuition tells me not to take hard drugs.
Either way, it's good to have this much caution on the topic.
You're probably right about the spirit-guides, they must play a higher-role then I'm presently giving them.
My belief is that we need to first learn how to be a multidimensional being before entering into multidimensional territory.
Just sharing my caution
Blackbox,
I'd be interested to hear your response to montalk's post addressed specifically to you from last night, which you haven't responded to yet. Maybe you didn't see it, I'm not sure, but I'd be curious to hear your response because I think he brought up some very valid points. Specifically this paragraph:
"So regarding what you said above, in these types of activities we must also remember the most essential of virtues: humility. Those who sincerely intend to serve others do more walking than talking, more coasting than boasting, more working than jerking, see? Of course you cannot be commanded to do this, rather it is something whose necessity must be understood from within, or something that evolves naturally from self-reflection and maturation. It is something to at least strive for. Real "lightworkers" are compassionate but prudent, dedicated but humble, loving yet discerning, driven yet centered. They are not tinkerbell fairies, but responsible and humble servants of truth and love."
Just wanted to hear your feedback on this, and montalk's post to you.
Just wanted to hear your feedback on this, and montalk's post to you.
I agreed with what he wrote so I didn't think it was necessary to respond.
I think I am progressing and learning. I think I have much to share and I have enthusiasm from my recent experiences to network among the people I have met through this forum.
Recognition? Yes, I'm sure I still have some lessons to learn in these regards lyra. I am battling between my logical mind that is used to habitual actions rooted from programming, and the intuitive familiarity that resonates from my recent readings, my recent experiences, and my recent thoughts.
I think I have my flaws and I'm working on ammending them. I think I have become a better communicator from the time I joined this forum to now. Maybe you should focus on yourself also, lyra, and see what you find inside yourself. You might find similar experiences that lead you to understand where I'm coming from. Perhaps you will not. Who knows...depends on what your underlying purpose is.
I don't think any of us know what "true light-workers" do or do not do. I believe all light-workers have to emerge first from out of their programming and the confines of their limitations. Limitations that are continuously strengthened by the Moon, by Televisions, by Radios, and even by the thoughts presented by disinformation. All holds a frequency, and resonation can equally be hurtful as it can be beneficial. Ultimately it comes down to your intentions. Is it my intention to share information? Why? To network and gain the perspectives of ALL the apples of the tree? Am I being true to myself or playing a role? These are questions I ask myself and I believe I AM a light-worker and that my intentions, at the core, are pure and indeed humble.
My post to Christine that Montalk replied to, was directly for Christine and were just light thoughts that I was reflecting on after reading her response to me. It was not to be intended on how things ARE but rather just my attempt to prove a point leading to the benefits in soaking in one perspective. When you soak in one perspective, you can then return back to your grounded consciousness as a stronger spirit. Then you soak yourself in the opposite perspective, and then again return to your grounded consciousness as even a stronger spirit. I was speaking to her in regards to this and not that my beliefs are to continually focus on love + light, but to soak in it and learn from it, and THEN return to thy grounded, chosen, soverign state.
What are YOUR thoughts on this lyra? What are YOUR intentions? I don't mean this to be vectored especially to you, but to say that once you question yourself to the core, and you actually wish to progress and reveal the true self, it leads you on a similar journey that I'm experiencing.
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I'm always in doubt of your true intentions lyra. I reply to you, then look back on your post and see you have changed it. Initially you were instigating a reaction out of me, as always, even though I thought I had begun to actually earn some respect out of you.
I am mistaken. But that's ok. I know why I'm here and what my intentions are. So I'm perfectly happy with the way I'm treating these subjects and expressing my point-of-view.
Well I have to admit, I went back in and edited my post to tone it down and not sound so "mean" but then saw you'd already responded. Oh well, so it goes. But at any rate. So, what are my thoughts on this? Well, the same as montalk's, but worded a little more bluntly of course, as always.
Hi BB,
I understand your concerns and they are also my concerns.
If the "endocrine system, pineal gland, pituitary, and hypothalamus" are offline as you claim then have you considered some of the reasons as to why?
With the Pineal Gland playing such a critical role in spiritual evolution you may want to check out the effects of flouride on the Pineal. It is one of many factors that are effecting mankinds natural spiritual evolution, thus the ability to naturally evolve the multi dimensional aspects of self.
There are two highly valid sides to the Ayahuasca experience and I sit firmly on the fence in this regard. Shamans around the world have been using natural hallucinogens such as Ayahuasca for a few thousand years, in fact many of early religions including those we see still around today were founded on the use of natural hallucinogens.
There are receptors in the human brain that allow the chemicals in Ayahuasca to "fit" to the human brain that then activate and trigger certain neural processes and more. The "fit" is comparable with a key fitting to a lock.
That said, Ayahuasca is not for everyone and is not something I would recommend to anyone without looking them in the eye first.
It is not so much the method of using Ayahuasca that is key, as these realms are accessible without the use of natural hallucinogens - what I am still exploring is what it was that I experienced whilst there.
Calling it Dark Matter is comparable with calling the Pacific Ocean a " lot of salty water", and somewhat neglects the variety of intelligent life and ecological systems that exist there.
Dark Matter, strands and the existence of chakras 8-12 and their abilities are definately worthy of discussion, but I dont understand how you can be so absoloute in your convictions?
More so if you have never tasted the proverbial egg.
Warm regards
JT
Hi JT, like I said before, whenever I seem to try to respond to you, I have major computer problems occuring. I hope you're not Satan or something in disguise
If the "endocrine system, pineal gland, pituitary, and hypothalamus" are offline as you claim then have you considered some of the reasons as to why?
Light-rays were used to deactivate our original operating system (12-DNA strands) and now the process is being reversed. People are gaining DNA strands like it's Christmas. Those glands are offline because they are used for higher-functions that are only used when our higher DNA strands are activated. In astral-realms, the effect of those glands being "offline" is equivalent to sailing without a compass. Actually, also with many holes in the sail.
With the Pineal Gland playing such a critical role in spiritual evolution you may want to check out the effects of flouride on the Pineal. It is one of many factors that are effecting mankinds natural spiritual evolution, thus the ability to naturally evolve the multi dimensional aspects of self.
I've read this also. But it is just one of the many factors doing this. Like I said above, the Moon was constructed to be a controller of our frequencies. When there's a "full-moon", for example, is when negativity arises the most, due to amplified frequencies. Hehe, that's speculation but just a thought. There are many things that continue to limit us but as we have all noticed the ozone is being drilled with holes which are letting well-needed/deserved light-rays that are activating our DNA and restoring our potentials from the boundaries.
There are two highly valid sides to the Ayahuasca experience and I sit firmly on the fence in this regard. Shamans around the world have been using natural hallucinogens such as Ayahuasca for a few thousand years, in fact many of early religions including those we see still around today were founded on the use of natural hallucinogens.
I was wrong to disrespect what shamans have been/are doing. But I think that those shamans are continuing the practices of shamans before the fall-of-grace, which was perhaps before the deactivation of our DNA. Therefore it's a different ball-game then what was naturally done before. Just like the myths and stories that are passed down and don't make sense. It's because they are from a different type of society which housed different bodies with different types of functions. The same body we have except different due to the present state.
There are receptors in the human brain that allow the chemicals in Ayahuasca to "fit" to the human brain that then activate and trigger certain neural processes and more. The "fit" is comparable with a key fitting to a lock.
Yes, but we can produce the proper lock naturally through our endocrine system. The receptor is there not because the plant was created but that the substance (DMT?) is a natural hormone, innately produced by our bodies when at proper-functioning capacity. When we are ready, we can enter such realms at will.
That said, Ayahuasca is not for everyone and is not something I would recommend to anyone without looking them in the eye first.
Interesting you say that. I've read that the eyes can be divided by 12 to act as basically live-zodiacs/DNA biographies of the individual if the other knows how to read the eyes. Therefore some can truly be able to look into someone's soul if they know how.
It is not so much the method of using Ayahuasca that is key, as these realms are accessible without the use of natural hallucinogens - what I am still exploring is what it was that I experienced whilst there.
Your experience is invaluable to the rest of us. But it should still be noted that it is definately no where for groups of people to explore without training themselves first. And training is partly by being patient and recieving the abilities to naturally enter the state. This is more of my opinion I guess, so I seriously don't mean it to be interpreted as arrogant...I really don't.
Calling it Dark Matter is comparable with calling the Pacific Ocean a " lot of salty water", and somewhat neglects the variety of intelligent life and ecological systems that exist there.
Not at all. Dark-Matter is like (not sure exactly) 95% of EXISTENCE. Normal-matter, which is what we live in currently, is a fraction of existence. When you enter into those realms, JT, you are truly living beyond anything comparable to our present awareness. You are floating in DIVINITY. You are spiraling in a realm of infinite possibilities and potential. But I worry for others to follow you before they are ready. Some people explore lucid-dreaming because they hear of stories of it being done, and then they explore where they ought not have, and next thing you know their physical-lives here on earth as they knew it are gone. Most of them are probably in asylums because they were not careful. Because they didn't know they were not equipped to wander into uncharted territories without their gear.
Dark Matter, strands and the existence of chakras 8-12 and their abilities are definately worthy of discussion, but I dont understand how you can be so absoloute in your convictions?
Since a few years ago, my subtle interests led me to certain ideologies. Those ideologies led me to certain extreme thoughts and reflections and then the day came when I first read the C-transcripts. That led me through a lot of soul-searching and now it seems after all I've read and networked in regards to, that topics that are uncharted seem to sound familiar to me. It's hard to explain something that just suddenly pops in your head as if you knew it all along.
I may be incorrect in a lot of things. I admit that. But I'm pushing the topic and pushing it with my actual thoughts that come from a familiarity I wish to share. It is the rest of you who must discern from it all, as I do with what I experience. It's all conversation on a live-forum, at a very exciting time. Nothing really matters yet all the fine details are highly important for the bigger-picture. If something is left out and I see that, I feel obligated to share it, even though I often know I will be responded to with skepticism of varying degrees. But that isn't enough of a consequence to stop me in the first place, nor should it be.
Thanks for your thoughts, JT.
Hi JT,
I only just now read your post detailing further your ayahausca experience (I was at work and unable to spend any real time here today or post anything lengthy and meaningful) Just wanted to say thank you for the compliments, and thank you for sharing your experiences. It's been fascinating to read.
I've had two experiences involving some kind of waking up / alternate perception of reality which I still don't fully understand what was happening. Even though they're not really an Ayahausca or other dimensional experience, they're still interesting I think. The most recent of these happened at the end of 2002, when I was at work in the middle of the most mundane tasks. I was standing at the printer, waiting for a print job to come out, staring out the window at the blue sky and palm trees and clouds, spacing out and feeling calm and blank and mellow when I suddenly "woke up." I don't know what else to call it, for lack of a better term. I was standing there, and all of a sudden it was like surfacing from underwater and looking around. I **woke up**, and as I stood there at the printer, I was suddenly like, (and excuse the language but this is what went through my head) "WHAT THE F*** AM I DOING HERE?!?!? WHAT THE F*** AM AM I DOING HERE?!?!? THIS IS ME!!!!"
It's not that I didn't know where I was. I knew exactly where I was. The only way to explain it is if you suddenly woke up and realized you'd been sleepwalking through life, and now were suddenly totally and completely clear headed, and looked around and saw what your life had become during that time, and then felt absolute horror. I felt like I couldn't believe what this character of "me" had been doing. I really don't know how to describe this, it goes back to that whole "proverbial egg" thing JT's mentioned before, where if you've never eaten an egg, you'd have a hard time understanding a description of what it tastes and feels like.
I looked around bug eyed, feeling this bizarre, clear headed awakeness and horror, then just as mysteriously as this happened, I felt myself "slipping back under the waves" again, going back to being mellow, able to exist in this world in a complacent, accepting manner. I could literally feel the transition, and it really felt like slipping back underwater again.
If that feeling hadn't gone away I'm not sure what would have happened. This was like nothing I'd ever experienced before, and I hope never to feel this way again because to be that "awake" is to be totally unable to exist in this realm. It's a complete and total mismatch incompatibility. Existing in 3D means to exist in dream-like state of amnesia, and blissful illusion. But certainly not total and complete clearheaded awakeness. And people reading this may think they're clearheaded and awake, but let me tell you....think again. Sure, I'm "clearheaded" and "awake" as I write this, fully aware of what I'm doing, totally in control of my thoughts and feelings, writing coherantly, able to talk about that moment of clearheadedness......but it's nowhere even NEAR what that moment of clearheadedness felt like. Even our most "awake" moment here during the day is still like being in a dream-like state of blissful illusion. And even when we're stressing about bills and money and other daily survival things it's like dream logic, dream nonsense. There's just no comparison. We think we're awake, but we're definately not. So luckily it only lasted for a few seconds. If it had lasted for hours, or even days, or worse....forever....I would not have been able to keep going with the charade of life. I would have been some crazy person you see out there, unable to exist in reality like everybody else. Makes you wonder about some of the crazy people out there, the ones classified as schizophrenic, living homeless in the streets, wandering around having conversations with people we don't see, talking to the air, seeming to exist in an entirely different world from us. I think some of them may be unfortunately getting glimpses of other realms, or having multidimensional bleedovers that they can't control.
Interestingly enough, that same day I had my "moment of clarity" I also experienced an involuntarily spontaneous mini-Kundalini burst later in the evening. Never had one of those before, and until it happened, I didn't believe in it really, or at least was indifferent to the concept. So I had two brand new sensations / experiences in the same day. The Kundalini thing was TRIPPY. It originated at the base of my spine just like they talk about, and shot up like warm tingly firey liquid, I could feel it move up and hit the base of my neck, and then spread down both arms simultaneously into my hands and fingertips, all the while, as I literally felt like crawling out of my own skin. I laid down on the floor, wiggling all over, feeling like I wanted to squirm out of my own body, as this warm tingly firey liquid feeling coursed through my system. Supposedly that was just a small Kundalini burst. I really don't ever care to have a full Kundalini experience! So incredibly bizarre, like nothing you've ever felt before. What trips me out is, here's something the human body is capable of, but which most people will never experience and feel. So makes you wonder then......how much more is the human body able to do that we don't know about?!?! ?!?!?! Here we think of our bodies as this thing that just moves around, gets us from point A to point B, eats, sleeps, expels wastes, reproduces, and nothing else really. But no! Turns out is slices and dices!! It chops and purees!! haha 
But anyway, just makes me wonder though how much potential stuff we're not even tapping into. That's why I've been fascinated reading this thread. Thanks to everybody for sharing their experiences.
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