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Dear All,

I have been away for a while but decided to share this blog with you:

Yes, There are so many dimensions co-existing, almost "side-by-side" that one can feel like crawling into a corner of that Labyrinth and hoping the Minotaur will come swiftly and relieve us of suffering.
I will share my insight about PRACTICALLY exiting un-pleasant realities...Matrix, cancer,  "I am cursed", "They are everywhere" and other kinds of unpleasant "perspectives". Yes, That is all they are...perspectives, point of views, colored sunglasses. Until one realizes he/she has been walking around wearing one of those for months,years even entire incarnations and basing fears, actions, decisions, reactions on the particular point of view it seems that any "outside" point of view is lies, irrational, madness, "false" etc. The problem is that each system is SELF-JUSTIFYING as well as SELF-FULFILLING. Do you Understand? It is only exitable if the particular behaviour beased on this particular Reality is forgotten, if only for a minute, and the person realizes that yes, there are other systems just as valid and "true" as that particular one. Functionning within one of them is just as REAL (yes, I am also talking in terms of physicality, perceptions and "existence" even). You might want to refer to my posting in the Alternative History section. It is called Adam and Adama. It hints at the fact that many Realities co-exist and are it is very simple to pass from one to the other. I believe they may be classified in two major groups but that's irrelevant (and probably true within the system in which they are two, Get it?).
I stumble on a link today which beside presenting some fiercely "Anti-Cassiopean" views (sometimes through "character assassination" but not always) It offers a great deal of insight. (a "both sides of the coin" view is always helpful) In the last quarter of this particular page I found some extremely insightful idea which needs to be pondered on seriously and incorporated consciously. It is not only a quick-exit from your "Matrix" Reality but also from most "Darkness Controlled" ones. I suggest you take the time to read the part that refers to Dodecahedron and Icosahedron ("11" and "12" Realities). I am not sure it was included in the finished "Wave" material. The link is: http://www.vincentbridges.com/spyVSspy2.html

Anyway the general idea is that the person who firmly believes he will see Jesus in person at 12.30 tomorrow will do...And this is valid for all "fixed" systems of Realities, pleasant, unpleasant etc...A good indicator: If a Reality is destructive the individual sees free-will as non-existent or difficult to exercise  (addiction, death wish etc.) Mine doesn't enter in the "fixed" category fortunately, but that's another story. Have Fun!

"He simply said: Laianela"
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I have read some of Vincent Bridges works, and I highly recommend the article on the Raising of the Djed - I think I posted this to the email group back a bit....

Ill read your post now though...

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Squaring the Circle?
Yes, Just need to reach for the white pill.

(To those who have ears)

ToraOrat

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More!

source www.haleandria.org



"Gregorian Conspiracies?


A pro-conspiracy view is that the institutionalization of the Gregorian Calendar at the end of the sixteenth century was accompanied by the perfection of a mechanical clock and an unprecedented consolidation of European global political power.  In this complex of events, an artificial 12:60 timing frequency was established as the unconscious timing principle governing the dominant human Consciousness.  By 1618 A.D., 36 years after the Gregorian Calendar reform, the source of all of modern science, the European scientific revolution was being launched.  The entire premise of this revolution was unconsciously conditioned and shaped by the artificial 12:60 timing frequency.   

The “artificial 12:60 timing frequency“? has nothing at all to do with any “natural rhythms“? present in the world; nothing to do with Nature; does not recognize or acknowledge any “higher authority“? than itself.  “Punching the timeclock“? became a ritual of obeisance to this artificial timing overlay; a “pledge of allegiance“? to this imposed man-made structure by which corporations run the lives of their employees and customers.   

Was this system put in place, consciously to displace the more natural system?  There is no reason to think so; yet the effect is the same -- to do away with any relevance in human affairs of more natural cycles and rhythms, including the 28-day lunar cycle that would give us 13 months instead of 12 each year.  By the Gregorian calendar, there's no pulse, no rhythm, that relates to the phases of the moon, so those phases appear to have no relevance to our living.   

Likewise, some folks speak of a 4-day cycle; 4 doesn't fit smoothly into a 7-day week, but it does fit perfectly into a 28-day month.  By the 4-day pattern, there are days well-suited to Beginnings, to Growth, to Healing, and to Peace and Completeness.  By the 7-day pattern, there are 5 days suited to Work, one to Recreation, and one to Worship or Rest -- just different enough to obscure our awareness of the existence of another rhythm we might align with and perhaps disproportionately heavy with allegiance to the company and to productivity.   

It's been suggested that this artificial imposition of rhythm on human living, and the corollary idea that “time is money“?, together produce or allow human beings to conceive of a great deal of activity that is intrinsically unethical and/or immoral.  It conditions human consciousness to believe the Clock is King, and Nature is irrelevant or at least insufficiently relevant to be turned to in its natural state for provision of anything needful for human survival -- and thus, the idea that “Man must conquer Nature“? for the sake of survival itself exists in the minds of some, perhaps the minds of most.   

Mechanical time displaces our awareness of rhythms that are greater than our own human activity, and leaves us disbelieving that there is Magic anywhere to be found.  Human beings trample on daisies as a direct result of this, perhaps.  It may be no trivial matter at all to entertain the idea of restoring consciousness of natural rhythms to human affairs.   

The con-conspiracy reply is that “One might wonder if much of the discussion about time, calendar numbering, and the like has to do with the current advocacy by Mayan Calendar enthusiasts that the only thing that will save mankind (and supposedly womankind inasmuch as saving mankind without womankind would be a contradiction in terms), is a return to the 13/20 calendar system (which in terms of questionable natural qualities may be near the top of the list).“?

"He simply said: Laianela"

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33's point to important topics, in my opinion.

Torarota, what does one do to revert society back to the cycles?

Does one have to wait for destruction and chaos to sweep away society first, and for transcended ones to restore the original structure?

Looks like what you speak of is saddening, because it will never have its place in the society we know NOW. An Iron-Age, I guess, befits Iron Clocks.

Thanks for your post.

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Oh yoo hoo BB...

Notice what time your post showed up...dum ta dum dum...

(just teasing you)  but seriously <grin> you'll drive yourself to the looney bin if you don't relax a smidge.  Are you getting enough sleep?

Christine B. AKA Catwoman

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Hi,

Until 2 years ago I had mainly explored dimensions that one could term as being related to the human being. Many dimensions contain the contents or expression of the mass consiousness throughout the history of the human being.

In May of of 2002, I had my first Ayahuasca experience and was rocketed beyond anything that one could even remotely understand or reference to human understanding, so much so that it caused a kind of short circuit to my system and I was well out of my psychological territory.

Many of these dimensions were "more alien than alien" and by that I mean forget any idea or concept that you have of alien from the media or other such sources because it does not come anywhere even remotely near. These dimensions contained a colossal and often highly malevolent intelligence(s) of an age and size that is far far beyond anything I could understand, and believe me I am well read and well experienced in such areas.

It made the whole human understanding of this universe, various earth related dimensions and understandings appear to be infinitesimally small in comparison, almost absoloute zero.

Much of what we know, we have created or understand is in reference to our own image or a human understanding, and as they say even God has been created in the image of man - the reality is far far different.

This Ayahuasca experience took me way, way beyond that, and the reaslisation of this very nearly crushed me.

I saw a part of the "matrix" that exists, and I saw the difference between how much we think, or are led to believe we control in our lives and how much we actually do control and the difference can be (was for me) frightening, and horrifically so. When I talk of control and manipulation I am not talking about NWO control and I am not talking about the manipulation that goes on between hyperdimensionals and mankind in perceived "near earth" dimensions - it is far beyond this. In my wildest dreams and imaginations i had never thought it to be as vastly pervasive and old (eons) as it actually is.

In a metaphorical sense only, I fully understand why "Cypher", in the film Matrix wanted to be reinserted back into the Matrix, and forget all that he had known or experienced of the reality of the Matrix. Living with these kinds of truths is enough to drive a person insane.

The human experience as it is widely known, even despite new/remembered knowledge and discoveries and the so called "new age", and the concept of an acension to God/Prime Creator/Source is but one very low and insignificant rung of a ladder that stretches out seemingly to infinity. And the power and intelligence(s) of whatever it is that hinders and controls mankind, is like comparing the awareness and intelligence of a flea to a human being so wide is the gap.

It it no way mirrors "typical ayahuasca" experiences, as catagorised in Benny Shannon's book, Antipodies of the Mind, or in any other book or description of Ayahuasca experience that I have come across to date.

After significant dialogue, Mr Shannon and numerous others experts or specialists in this area assured me that I was not psychotic or mentally ill, which believe me was a relief.

I was in two minds as to whether to write about this or not - this was my experience as best as I can understand it.

Regards

JT

8 Reply by Christine B. (edited by Christine B. 2004-05-19 02:27:31)

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JT,

Thank you for this post.  I've mentioned Ayahuasca a few times on the board but no one has responded.  The first I heard of it was from Stuart Wilde's site.  I sought out an acquaintance whose traveled extensively and has been to Brazil.  I figured he would know, so I asked.  Stuart mentioned Ayahuasca with no mention of a potential "downside."

This acquaintance, who has probably tried everything at least once said...yes, he know about it and would never touch it.  Why?  Because about 20 years ago a friend did Ayahuasca and was never the same again...never able to relate again in "this" world.

JT wrote:

In a metaphorical sense only, I fully understand why "Cypher", in the film Matrix wanted to be reinserted back into the Matrix, and forget all that he had known or experienced of the reality of the Matrix. Living with these kinds of truths is enough to drive a person insane.

So, what you said above, rang very true for me.

I need to reread your post again, but I cannot tell if the experience(s) ultimately engendered "hope" for you, or overwhelm?

Christine B.

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Hi Christine,

For a while around the period of 2001-2003 I was associated tentatively and indirectly with what one could call the "inner circle" of the SW clique  - I can affirm that there is a very good reason why SW has only ever used Ayahuasca twice.

Ayahuasca is completely outside the realms of any of the material that SW has ever covered from his earliest books, right up to Gods Gladiators. It severely rattled this mans cage.

During and after Ayahuasca, I can only liken it to being like a ship in a storm that has lost its anchor and no longer has land in sight, so yes it was disturbingly overwhelming and consumed me for every day of my life thereafter, morning, noon and night.

It completely ripped the rug out from under my feet - no more being in the flow, no more magic of life, no more connection to source - I was shown how pathetically inadequate the human beings image of God actually is. That beyond a shadow of a doubt, despite even our most pure and astute and untainted perception of "God" is still within the realms of human understanding only, and this is so far from the actual truth of what is.

Enlightened Buddahs and such like have only experienced the tiniest fragment/ aspect of the Prime Creator,  the Human God is only the smallest Fragment of Prime Creator and this is not enough for one to be able to even start to understand it, and when, then only in human terms - Original Prime Creator is NOT human and not of human origin and I cannot stress this enough.

It is my understanding that I was meant to have the experience that I did, and it took me to the edge and over, and I lost ALL hope, and this is a miserable and incredibly lonely place to be.

More so,  because I consumed thousands of pages of information and had hundreds of dialogues with experts in this field, and for each book or Ayahuasca experience I finished reading another door would effectively slam shut in my face, thus removing the faint hope that was left within me -  because there was no reference for me to relate my own experience to - no framework within which to put this into context and begin to try to understand it.

All other "dark night of the soul" type of experiences that I had had until this point simply paled into insignificance compared with this.

During this time I completely lost any connection that I had previously had to "source" and I was a complete wreck. Very slowly I started somehow to pick the pieces back up again, only to find that they did not fit the original pattern anymore. I am trying to remember where and what the turning point was but I need to think more on this.

How these pieces are now fitting back together again I can only say are beyond my wildest dreams - it started with the the faintest ray of sunlight that has continued to grow stronger each and every day, and is so much more than I had ever had or experienced before - I can only describe this from my own perspective as a miraculous event for me.

I fully sympathise with your friend and if he or she wants to communicate with someone about the experience that has been through it then let me know - I know how much I desperately needed to communicate with someone about my own experience and how incredibly difficult it is to find these people.



Warmest regards

JT

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JT,

Amazing!!  I mentioned on the board awhile ago that I felt there was an enormous change in SW and that, it appeared to coincide with his Ayahuasca experience.  Thank you for confirming what I felt to be true.

To clarify...the person who I asked about Ayahuasca is a very slight acquaintance, but someone who is willing to answer questions.  He never took Ayahuasca for the very reason that his friend, who did take it, over 20 years ago was so fractured by the experience, that he (the acquaintance of mine) felt it would be dangerous for him to try it.  So, thank you for your willingness to talk to him but I don't know "him" and rarely see the acquaintance.

I've experienced this life being on the dark night of the soul, with no hope, for a prolonged period of time.  The main reason I didn't kill myself is because by that time my awareness was such that I knew it was an extremely bad choice (very understated as a bad choice).  I cannot imagine having the experience that you had, the lack of hope, everything that you wrote about - which is surely but a minute part of your experience/feeling.  The differences are many no doubt, but what strikes me first is for you to have experienced that incredible touching of source - only to realize how far we are etc.

In any case, I breathed a sigh of relief/hope for myself/you/us when you say the pieces are fitting back together again and a ray appeared and it is growing.

I feel that Tom has provided a very unusual place for us.  While this is not a perfect forum, as none of us are perfect,  it is incredibly different from any other board I've either been an active part of or been a "lurker" on. 

This is a credit to Tom and also to each of us - as "mirrors" we appear to be attracting aspects of ourselves which we can bond with, grow from and learn.

I'm glad you found this board.

Warmly,
Christine B.
PS:  I use "mirrors" above not in the sense of mirror opposite but from my apprenticeship training within a Toltec unit.  The use of mirrors there was to illustrate that when you look into a mirror, you see yourself.  You cannot (unless on drugs etc) look into a mirror and see your next door neighbor.  Likewise, in life, when someone appears in your life - a nasty co-worker - for example, the use of the mirror principle is to help you explore what aspect of yourself is being reflected by the nasty co-worker.  It also is used in a "positive" sense - when you have someone appear in your life, who is positive, uplifting etc., you can look within to see those aspects of yourself.  The like vibration concept.

I just realized/had a thought that perhaps the "reason" our perception of God/lifeforce is so "wrong" is that we, as humans, have yet to transmute enough of our humanness to see ourselves reflected in God or vice versa.

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JT,

Do you see the composition of beings as dark+white subtances? The auras must make it hard to distinct.

It is my belief that once you enter such a state, your very essence, which is composed of white and dark substance, attracts exactly what you see. Mind-intent is a big factor but as you say, you weren't expecting some of the things you encountered, so your very substance was the only signature of attraction.

How many times have you "jacked in", JT?

Christine wrote:

While this is not a perfect forum, as none of us are perfect

Why do you have to always bring me up??? wink And yes, I get plenty of sleep damnit! I'm actually a normal person in average-day-affairs. I just only share these thoughts with you people, so I might sound very expressive in nature here.

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Hi Christine B., JT,

David Icke also took Ayahuasca, and it's the entire reason his latest (and probably last) book, "Tales From the Time Loop" came to be.   He tripped on this stuff for two days, supposedly, experienced some things, had revelations of sorts.

The one question I had though about all this is this:   In reading about others' life altering experiences with this substance, I see there's a common thread.........the inability to get back into the swing of things for a long time afterwards, and the debilitating effects ayahuasca has on the person.   Just ruins them for a good time afterwards as JT's personal experience showed, and as the Stuart Wilde change indicates.

But yet, it didn't seem to affect Icke.   On his website, he still runs the same ol' headlines regarding the NWO and the stupid illusion we're living in, he never missed a beat about it.  I thought at LEAST we would have seen some sort of change in that regard on his website, something to indicate that he'd finally risen above it and gotten a glimpse of something beyond this world, which I would assume would make it near impossible to keep "Playing in the illusion" like that.   But there's no sign of this, it's the same old thing with him.   On one hand I guess maybe he feels he needs to keep up with that for all the people who are just newly waking up;   on the other hand, I still expected to see the ramifications of taking Ayahausca manifest somehow in his website, and it didn't.    Just makes me wonder.   Hell, I haven't even taken Ayahuasca, and I find myself becoming increasingly more and more intolerant of life in this realm, unable to be in the illusion the way I used to be.   I've had a couple of close calls where mentally, I thought that I wasn't going to keep being able to play the game anymore.   Not kill myself, I just mean not able to get up, go to work, talk about stupid stuff with people who seem so empty, walking around in the illusion, and pretending, living in oblivion.   I was like, I CAN'T **DO** THIS ANYMORE, IT'S NOT REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  HOW DO I KEEP GOING WHEN I KNOW IT'S NOT REAL?!?!?

I can't even imagine what would happen to me if I injested some ayahuasca!   smile  Yikes.   I've had a hard enough time as it is sometimes without it.

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Hi,

What I can tell you about my Ayahuasca experiences is incredibly hard to put into words, so bear with me.

First of all I can say that there is no haziness, or lack of clarity or the sense of being in an altered state of mind such as a trance - you retain a normal "waking state" - what changes is the actual environment around you.

Normally you are either "fully in" the other environment or it is superimposed perfectly clearly over your existing environment.

What one experiences in these dimensions is as clear as day and as real as the room or environment and the people that you may be sitting with now, in actual fact it comes over as starkly more real than this reality, although it may be hard to get your head around that.

These fully immersive environments or dimensions are within their own right an immense "intelligence", and they also contain a wide variety of beings or entities which are indescribable.

Why indescribable? well if you have never ever seen or tasted an egg, and I attempt to try and describe to you what an egg tastes like then with the best will in the world we are not going to be highly successful.

I am not attempting to avoid describing these places, but I dont know how to - there are no words or descriptions within human understanding that lend themselves to this experience. There was not a straight line or a curve in sight, no beings with anything even resembling an arm or a leg or an eye or a body - indescribable. No landscapes or anything even remotely to be found on earth, or within human experience be it in the physical or no physical.


The method of communication is not that of hearing voices or even a download of information. All I can say is that if you can image putting your hand into the ocean, and everywhere and everything the ocean touches and knows is what you touch and know, then we are getting somewhere near what the information transfer is like.

What I was expecting to encounter was the typical ayahuasca experience including snakes, jaguars, jungle settings, weird and wonderful cities and maybe the odd large insect being or aliens and such like.

I did both of my Ayahuasca journies with a very respected and well known Shaman in this area, the rituals and fasting beforehand were followed to the letter - set and setting could not have been better.

My intent - I asked to see truth and to be shown beyond the illusion.

And whilst I agree that substance is the signature of attraction, and has been in the vast majority of my other psychonautic expeditions, I can only say that Ayahuasca is way and far beyond any other natural hallucinogen, besides maybe the Datura plant.

There are levels of experience that are way beyond the laws of signature attractions and it appears that this was one of them.

You are both a witness and a participant at the same time.

The most disturbing for me was:

a) I remembered it

I recall repeating over and over "what the f*ck? I know this place so well!, why has it not been in my normal waking conciousness???

b) It felt so much like home, as if I belonged there or had come from there.

These two factors almost unhinged me, both during and also after the event for a long time.

As for the composition - the resolution and depth and brilliance of colour far exceeds anything here within phsycial reality. There was no aura to be distinguished and I can only say that a large aspect of my experience was incredibly malevolent - I was completely violated.

It was and remains the most terrifying experience of my life so far and is not something I would willingly do again, and neither would I recommend it to anyone.

Its pervasiveness here in 3d is incredible - it is both within us and without us - I am the sea, and the sea is me - I say this because it was a unified experience, overlaid with my own dualism so there were times when it was only unity, times when it was highly dualistic and times when it was both. But even when it was predominantly unified the malevolence remained. It was, in part, almost what I had previously understood God (unified, all loving, etc) to be, except that it was the polar opposite at the furthest extreme.


To get some perspective you could say that in comparison to this 3d physical reality it appears something like this:

Earth and Physical reality is - an Ice Cube 2cm x 2cm x 2cm


The Non-Physical reality is -  The Pacific Ocean 166,241,700 km ² by an average of approximately 4km deep.

Both the ice cube and the pacific ocean are made of water and all the only thing that differentiates them is their vibratory rate.

Now take the icecube and let it float somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If the icecube melts it becomes a part of the ocean, and if the ocean freezes it becomes and extremely large icecube.

The Physical is born, or sourced out of the Non-Physical - so I hope you see in which context I mean pervasive.

To add to that you could say that mankind are the electrons/protons/neutrons/quarks within the ice cube....or maybe even strings if you sign up to string theory.

(bearing in mind that electrons are about a thousand times smaller than an atom)

Hope that gives you some perspective of what can really only be a subjective experience.

Regards

JT

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Hello Lyra,

I knew Icke had taken Ayahusca because SW mentions it, for sure on his website but possibly in God's Gladiators.  I've never been able to take much of Icke - not that I don't admire him for his "out there" concepts and his willingness to put himself on the line - but there's only so many times I can read about the Queen being a reptile, Bush et al without finally saying...oh good grief.  Enough!

So, unlike you, I never expected a change from him.  I didn't even think about it.  Good on noticing there wasn't one.   

That said...my understanding of Ayahusca is that the plant presents the person with what they need.  In other words, I don't think someone who doesn't have much of a clue about stuff would all of a sudden see the expanse of infinity with its endless sides.  They might see that the job at Wal-Mart isn't really the most important thing in the world nor their retirement fund.  I'm not sure why Icke didn't have a profound change - perhaps he did. 

I have to say I was and am "upset" with SW for promoting Ayahusca without mentioning the downsides or what could be thought of as downsides.  That doesn't seem kosher to me.  I heard him on a radio talk show and it was all - la la la wonder land.  Hmmm...I've been around that block back in the late '60s - so I knew it wasn't possible, in my perspective, for any substance to be perfect for all.


I've felt a bit out of sorts all day after reading JTs post frankly as I'm trying to imagine how it would be to "see" and from that seeing lose hope.  And then having to put oneself back together again but without the patterns we hold so dear.

After reading "Holograhic Universe" I felt flat for weeks.  It was hard to feel love, joy, excitement.

Here's my most recent take on things:  the "game" isn't real BUT the feelings are real...and those are the only things that are "real" - feelings like love, joy, creation, enthusiasm are feelings which resonate at a higher vibration and come close to touching the essence of a being. 

The bug-bear is that the game pushes people into false feelings.  False enthusiasm (for a new yacht or pair of Prada pants), false love, false everything...SO what happens is those of us who want to really FEEL and touch someone become wary of doing so.  Because no one is home...buried too far under false emotions.

BUT BUT BUT...if you try to go beneath the surface of that person at the bus stop for example you can feel him/her.  And that is where a discipline or practice of sitting and watching people and steeling yourself against or being awake to hear the INSTANT knee-jerk judgement our (false) minds make is incredibly valuable.

I've done it for months.  Go to a mall.  Sit and watch.  I couldn't believe how long it took me to be able to see someone and not instantly think - nice haircut - yuk complexion - cute kid - you name it.  The judgement pattern is incredibly strong and hard to break.  I feel though it must be broken because then and only then can you actually feel and discern.

And until I could just see someone without those instant judgements, I was unable to be able to reach out and touch them (etherically).

Anyway, I'm with you Lyra.  No Ayahuasca for me...to many unknowns ...to much truth too fast at this point in my life.

Christine B.
PS:  I realized in rereading this that it isn't only "Those of us who want to really feel" who become wary of doing so but just about everyone.  In other words, perhaps we are more awake and aware and thus life in front of TV with a can of beer isn't happiness for us.  But, guess what?  It's not happiness for Joe Six Pack either and he knows it...deep perhaps but the being always knows.  Soooo...there is unhappiness, strive etc.

AND here we go back to Icke's deal...who benefits from this...ta da...the 4th D predators.  Joe Six Pack is unhappy, we are frustrated because it isn't real...food...yum yum for Mr. 4D STS.  I say...IF you can feel affinity for Joe Six Pack and Paula Prada, really FEEL affinity for them - not some la la LUV BS - but affinity because THEY TOO are beings...they will feel it, mostly you will feel it.

AND MR. 4D STSer goes hungry...at least for that moment.

So sayeth the catwoman <hee hee>

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Sounds like you are describing dark-matter perception VS normal-matter.

As dark-matter is the undisputed majority of existence, no doubt it felt like "home" to you, as it would to all of us. We only percieve dark-matter when we are multidimensional. Not to say that we are ever NOT multidimensional, but rather that we are not aware of it at our present state.

I don't think it's ever wise to enter dark-matter perception, because human beings need accesibility to their full-chakra system to effectively travel in that realm. It's like an ocean with a titanic-storm, with human beings as a sail-ship being swung around like puppets. Without our light-bodies or the strength and protection of our higher-chakras, it can damage us by shocking us by unexpected elements.

I'm glad you've recuperated, JT.