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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Lono,
Yes I agree, soul travel is a very interesting topic.   I don't profess to be an expert here, but I have been through a few things.   I also believe the average person can persue soul travel and have much success.   You don't need to join any soul travel groups, such as Eckankar (and there are a few other groups that I know of) in order to learn this skill.

Intending to leave your body via the 6th chakra is the way to go, if anyone would like a starting point.    When you go to bed at night, you could make a statement of intent, something like "I now intend to travel in my soul body tonight, to the inner planes, with the help of my HS and guides".    You could also add, "I would like my HS and guides and soul, to begin to teach me all the practical ways of traveling in my soul body so I may become very expert at this skill".    You could word this anyway to wish, this is just an example.   This would set the stage, and probably give you some interesting dreams.

You could soul travel while sitting up meditating in a chair (which is the method taught by Eckankar).    They have you chant the name of the man who's the "master" in Eckankar, who at this time is Harold Klemp (the last time I checked anyway).   I can't remember his spiritual name, which is his soul name, but just as an example, let's say his soul name is Mahatma.   What they teach is that you sit upright, relax and chant the name Mahatma over and over, with your eyes closed and also with ALL of your focus and concentration on your third-eye/6th chakra.

What supposed to happen is the soul body of this master comes to you as you chant and helps you get out of your body, via the third-eye.    Then the two of you, in your soul bodies, travel to all sorts of places on the astral plane, causal plane, mental plane and also soul plane, and perhaps even areas above that.   And the purpose of all this is to teach you the all the spiritual lessons... etc, and in the long run you will become more spiritualy aware.    And remember, I'm giving you a quick-and-easy version of this, there's more involved here.

One of the by-products of soul travel is a more awakened third eye when you are fully awake in 3D.   So there's plenty of good things that will happen as time goes by.   Having an awakened third-eye while going about your business all day long, can be very helpful, fun, exciting... etc, I'm sure you can think of loads of things you could do with this.   But it DOES take much practice.

So that's bascially how it's done.    The followers are asked to spend something like 20-30 min. a day, 7 days a week, doing this "spiritual exercise" of chanting and trying to have a soul body experience, while you sit up in a chair (they never recommend lying down since most of the time you'll fall asleep, they always tell you it's much better to sit upright).   Eventually, if you hang in there, 7 days a week, on and on, it's like a cumulative process.   All this focus on your third-eye, does indeed, wake it up.

As time goes by you should have better and better OBE's this way.

So that's about it for soul travel.

PH

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

LipstickMystic, thank you for answering something for me, about vulnerability during sleep state.

You said exactly what I had/have been thinking most of my life, that to be dream"dead" or blind is a door I need to get beyond.

That one was definetely synchronistic.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Thanks for the information, PH.  I'll look into it.  Although I wonder if that's not what was actually happening during the experience I wrote about in this thread:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 317#p42317

If it was my soul body trying to leave through my third eye, that could explain the "face rushing" sensation.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Transcending The Space / Time Torus

(Which Contains the various ‘dimensions’ and ‘densities’ which are [currently limited by archonic design]: States Of Awareness

In the Matrix, EVERYTHING (the caterpillar experiences) IS FEED)

But Not The Deep Codes

The ESSENCE of who WE REALLY ARE

~~~~~~~   ~~~   ~

Some of US Think:

>It’s a Done Deal and is The Essence of and Reason for This Final Lifetime [of Everyone And Everything]

>That when The Family of Light is Called IN, there is no reason to pack a bag

>That Like A Caterpillar, WE Contain the Plan of what IS about To BE

>That this Realm was devised as a parasite TRAP
   They all came from far and wide
   They all end

>That it was OUR Destiny to Dissolve this tumor and Return To:

Symbiosis
Innocence
Sanity

And
Love

So Mote It Be


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2042

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2972

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3431

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3034

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2356

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Lyra wrote:

It reminds me of what don Juan reports to Carlos Castaneda.  That when we die, we all get "eaten" by the big eagle in the sky.  And the goal of the Toltec warriors was to gain complete and total soverienty over their soul energies so that they could dictate where they go and what they do....even in death.   They achieve true freedom.

Sounds like the goal of a true magician.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

PleiadeanHealer wrote:

Lono,
Yes I agree, soul travel is a very interesting topic.   I don't profess to be an expert here, but I have been through a few things.   I also believe the average person can persue soul travel and have much success.   You don't need to join any soul travel groups, such as Eckankar (and there are a few other groups that I know of) in order to learn this skill.

Intending to leave your body via the 6th chakra is the way to go, if anyone would like a starting point.    When you go to bed at night, you could make a statement of intent, something like "I now intend to travel in my soul body tonight, to the inner planes, with the help of my HS and guides".    You could also add, "I would like my HS and guides and soul, to begin to teach me all the practical ways of traveling in my soul body so I may become very expert at this skill".    You could word this anyway to wish, this is just an example.   This would set the stage, and probably give you some interesting dreams.

You could soul travel while sitting up meditating in a chair (which is the method taught by Eckankar).    They have you chant the name of the man who's the "master" in Eckankar, who at this time is Harold Klemp (the last time I checked anyway).   I can't remember his spiritual name, which is his soul name, but just as an example, let's say his soul name is Mahatma.   What they teach is that you sit upright, relax and chant the name Mahatma over and over, with your eyes closed and also with ALL of your focus and concentration on your third-eye/6th chakra.

What supposed to happen is the soul body of this master comes to you as you chant and helps you get out of your body, via the third-eye.    Then the two of you, in your soul bodies, travel to all sorts of places on the astral plane, causal plane, mental plane and also soul plane, and perhaps even areas above that.   And the purpose of all this is to teach you the all the spiritual lessons... etc, and in the long run you will become more spiritualy aware.    And remember, I'm giving you a quick-and-easy version of this, there's more involved here.

One of the by-products of soul travel is a more awakened third eye when you are fully awake in 3D.   So there's plenty of good things that will happen as time goes by.   Having an awakened third-eye while going about your business all day long, can be very helpful, fun, exciting... etc, I'm sure you can think of loads of things you could do with this.   But it DOES take much practice.

So that's bascially how it's done.    The followers are asked to spend something like 20-30 min. a day, 7 days a week, doing this "spiritual exercise" of chanting and trying to have a soul body experience, while you sit up in a chair (they never recommend lying down since most of the time you'll fall asleep, they always tell you it's much better to sit upright).   Eventually, if you hang in there, 7 days a week, on and on, it's like a cumulative process.   All this focus on your third-eye, does indeed, wake it up.

As time goes by you should have better and better OBE's this way.

So that's about it for soul travel.

PH

Wow PH, you pretty much covered it.  I wanted to add that on each level,ie. the astral plane, the mental, causal and soul, there is a ruling Lord.  I cant remember all their names but on the astral its Kal Ninjran, and I think on the mental is Sat Nam. You want to avoid these guys, they're set up to entrap. Each plane has its own sound...astral, the sound of wind chimes, the mental, the sound of bees, the causal, the sound of one tone of a flute, and I cant remember what it was for the soul plane.  I do remember in my soul travels that is how I distinguished which plane I was on by the sound I would hear. I practiced my "hu" chanting(the Sugmad, the secret name of God) for 5 yrs , sitting in a chair, and never got anywhere in the waking state. All my soul traveling was done in the sleep state. I had some pretty wild lucid dreams with Sri Harold (his soul name escapes me too PH) he took me all over the place, or at least I hope it was him. My third eye did open more, but you have to keep that muscle working or you lose it.  I left Eckankar because I find  as with any spiritual organization, as soon as money starts changing hands, it corrupts the cause. But Ihave to say, I did gain some valuable knowledge I wouldnt have otherwise.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Once and future wrote:

Decisions and alignments must be made in THIS lifetime.

feedbaxlow wrote:

not trying to pull your chain but...
awareness is "choiceless"
because of the realization that a "choice" is presented by conditioned thought. which is memory...the past, separated from "now".
so choosing is appearance only.
the only actual "choice" is simply attending "what is"...
   "Now" is simply here without any intervention

That's the beauty of awakening, uncorruptable!

feedbaxlow , you can pull my chain anytime wink

And, yeah, I get that awareness is choiceless to the extent that when it's your time to become aware of something you become aware. It's. Just. Time. However, I don't assum that since duality is an illusion therefore choice is an illusion too. I think duality exists to provide a context within which we ABLE to make choices - which can engender deep change within our engergetic make-up. Choice is experiencing what we are and what we are not - and unless we're living in the dark vacuum of possibility (wherein nothing exists except for potential) the idea that "choice" simply attends "what is" disregards the fundamental building block of existence and that’s CREATIVITY. Fundamentally, we are creative beings and fundamental to creativity is making choices. Without creativity and inspiration and spontaneity and freshness and surprise and chance, there would be no existence  We all have creative input when it comes to our lives. We’re not traveling along a pre-destined trajectory every single solitary step of the way.

Anyway, as with many things that we talk about here on NR, paradoxes abound, so while what you say is true when it comes to Le Grande Scheme of the Universe, I think most people need more direction in the infinite meantime. Therefore, it seems pointless to dismiss the creative power of making conscious alignments/choices because duality is an illusion - seems like a backdoor to nowhere. Just one girl's opinion, of course!

Lyra wrote:

Me too.  I have a journal I recently started up, more like a log book actually to document my dreams, number sightings, synchs, ear ringings and so on, and random musings wink  but the opening entry I start out addressing the biggest problem that I, and probably many others face.....What is the point of all these attempts to better myself when I don't even know where my destination is??   If I don't know where I'm going, then where's my motivation to get there??  There are people who are shooting for 4th density, or however they want to label it....that's not enough for me.  It doesn't feel right.  I want out of the trap, but I don't know where "out" is.  Several people so far have mentioned how messed up it is that we incarnate here and completely forget everything we learned in our previous incarnations, and have to keep starting all.....over......again.    And again and again and again.  I was lamenting this very thing myself recently, to the point of feeling alarmed and slight hysterical about it actually, so it was nice to see that others are feeling the same thing.

I want out of the trap too - the whole trap. I don't want to redecorate my prison cell either (that was a great analogy kinsei made)... but really, what more can we do than continually choose to surrender to our highest good and forge hyper-conscious alignment with Source. It's the only way that I know of to ensure that we'll end up in the best possible place from moment to moment, both before and after death.

I'm intrigued by the idea of working with the dreamstate. This resonates for me big time. Who was it who said (Lipstick maybe?) that when you start controlling your dreams (lucid) you know that you’ve reached an critical level of consciousness.  A good friend of mine, an older, wiser woman who I trust, told me that what you experience in the dream state is an indicator of what lessons you’ve been able to fully integrate.

Personally, I believe the dream state is as important as our waking life. After I had my own "awakening" and started practicing awareness, facing my fears, peeling the layers of the onion... I  began having powerful dreams. In one of these dreams, I actually died and came through the other side intact and conscious and still very much alive. Then I started having other intense/horrific dreams wherein I had to “walk the talk" and go right into the fear, trusting that I could handle it (and I did.) I think we can experience stuff in our dream state that we’d rather NOT experience in a fully conscious state, and the experience is JUST as powerful as the stuff we experience in our waking life.


lyra wrote:

But due to this thread I have more direction now, something in mind to shoot for.   For starters, one of my newfound goals will be to shoot for ultimate awareness at all times.  It's hard, but it can be done with willpower.

Weird! I had that same thought this morning. I was in the car today staring out the window and brought myself into a state of ultimate awareness and thought, man, if I could hold this all the time, eventually I’d be able to see through walls... I'd develop 360 degree vision.

lyra wrote:

I have lots of awareness, due to my waking mindset and the fact that I have vivid dreams....but apparently it's not enough.  How do I know this?  Because it all falls apart the second I go to sleep, like Lipstick Mystic was mentioning earlier in this thread.  I may have frequent vivid dreams and decent dream recall, but I rarely have lucid experiences.  There have been a few, as well as times when I became aware that something was hijacking my sleep state and so was able to throw on the brakes and screech the whole sordid nocturnal debacle to a grinding halt.  But, it's a rare thing.  Like most people I forget myself in the dream state and bounce along, oblivious.

I have a lot of lucid dreams, but they're odd because it's not like I totally control them, but I'm aware I'm dreaming and take the opportunity to do things I, er, wouldn't normally do! I don't know what the hell this means? Maybe I'm letting off steam, getting in touch with stuff I'm repressing... who knows? Definitely keep us posted on your dream journal and if/how it continues to effect your dream state. If it starts to uncork something for you, I might give it a try too.  Also, and you may have already tried this, but sometimes if you *intend* to have a lucid dream right before you go to sleep, it works.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Hmm, "Insider" commenting that the questioner would recieve extra incarnations for what he had said ruined his credibility, IMHO.

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Lono wrote:

If it was my soul body trying to leave through my third eye, that could explain the "face rushing" sensation.

That could be Lono, it's hard to say.    Most people do soul travel without knowing it.   Keep up the good work with your dreaming... it sounds like your making some head-way there.

treehugger wrote:

My third eye did open more, but you have to keep that muscle working or you lose it.  I left Eckankar because I find  as with any spiritual organization, as soon as money starts changing hands, it corrupts the cause. But Ihave to say, I did gain some valuable knowledge I wouldnt have otherwise.

Yes that's true about the third-eye, you do have to keep working with it on a daily basis and if you stop it could start to close down again... a little anyway.   But there is a point where you sort of "cross-over" and your third eye does stay open, the tough part is hanging in there long enough, and practicing endlessly, until this happens.


Leaving Eck was probably a good thing.    I didn't get along well with it either, as time went by.   The good news is you can still pick up where you left off, and still work on awakening the third-eye.   I do think is this a very worthwhile aspect to anyones spiritual development.   The figure 8 technique I gave out in another thread would be a big help with this.

I hope you have more spiritual adventures as time goes by, keep me updated on what's going on with you, your experiences are very interesting.

Also, I will be on vacation next week in NJ, so if you don't see me posting any replies, it's because I don't have a computer at my disposal.   I'll see if I can get some time on my relatives computers.
See you all in about a week or so.

PH

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lyra wrote:

Me too.  I have a journal I recently started up, more like a log book actually to document my dreams, number sightings, synchs, ear ringings and so on, and random musings wink  but the opening entry I start out addressing the biggest problem that I, and probably many others face.....What is the point of all these attempts to better myself when I don't even know where my destination is??   If I don't know where I'm going, then where's my motivation to get there??  There are people who are shooting for 4th density, or however they want to label it....that's not enough for me.  It doesn't feel right.  I want out of the trap, but I don't know where "out" is.  Several people so far have mentioned how messed up it is that we incarnate here and completely forget everything we learned in our previous incarnations, and have to keep starting all.....over......again.    And again and again and again.  I was lamenting this very thing myself recently, to the point of feeling alarmed and slight hysterical about it actually, so it was nice to see that others are feeling the same thing.

But due to this thread I have more direction now, something in mind to shoot for.   For starters, one of my newfound goals will be to shoot for ultimate awareness at all times.  It's hard, but it can be done with willpower.  I have lots of awareness, due to my waking mindset and the fact that I have vivid dreams....but apparently it's not enough.  How do I know this?  Because it all falls apart the second I go to sleep, like Lipstick Mystic was mentioning earlier in this thread.  I may have frequent vivid dreams and decent dream recall, but I rarely have lucid experiences.  There have been a few, as well as times when I became aware that something was hijacking my sleep state and so was able to throw on the brakes and screech the whole sordid nocturnal debacle to a grinding halt.  But, it's a rare thing.  Like most people I forget myself in the dream state and bounce along, oblivious.

Once & Future wrote:

I think it's a matter of continuing to patiently build spiritual muscle and discerment, while continuing to merge with our Higher Selves and forge DIRECT contact with Source. This is why it's so important to have that connection, a REAL connection... because the moment we transition out of this incarnation, we are going to see the real deal if we are aligned with the right stuff. It's going to be a natural ramification, a natural evolution, it will flow effortlessly - I don't believe it will be a struggle or a test, but a matter of will, alignment and confidence - a direct result of the actions we take in this physical lifetime.

When the time comes we have to maintain control and not act like kids on an amusement park ride, immediately forgetting all that we learned because the light, joy and bliss feeeeeels so gooood, man.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to take this awareness of the EXTENDED matrix and integrate it. I'm not going to worry too much, or try too hard to figure it out, but I am going to take my opportunity to align with truth, freedom and Source a lot more seriously now that I know the extent of this trickery.

Yes and Yes!  smile

I'm reminded of a scene out of "Jacob's Ladder" where he is in the operating room with all the doctors (and his girlfriend) working on him, and when he wants out of it, one of the doctors asks him where he would like to go... He doesn't know, so his nightmare continues...

This is a major part of the trap, since most really have no true understanding of who they are and why they are here, due to AMNESIA and social programming. I have a feeling that had Tim Robbins' character had actually known where he had wanted to go, it would have been done right then and there, but the doctors working on him knew that they could apply their pressure and he'd be willing to go just about anywhere except THERE, being ignorant of his divine nature, allowing the feeding cycle to continue.

As for solutions, the answer may be easier than you think. The reality is that the actions taken during your life creates your truth indicator, and your decisions are understood in the context that they were made. There is no escaping your deeds, but if you're able to live with them, you'll find that the main reason these beings wish to trap you is because your energy is the only thing that sustains them. If you refuse to feed them, they cannot hold onto you, since the path they must follow to hold onto you is yours, and each decision you make that is not consistent with their perspective takes them further away from their understanding, which increases the likelyhood that they will cease, as the energy required to maintain is enormous and it increases exponentionally unless their calculations are highly accurate.

This is one reason why STO crushes STS head to head every time. STO is not restricted by limited resources, enjoying access to ALL of it, while STS, no matter how powerful, eventually runs out of juice and has to give up.

And Once and Future... Yes! the Bliss feels WONDERFUL! That's why strongly I advise placing oneself into a state of acceptance (with no judgement or interpretation if possible) when the moment happens... It makes it flow much better! And when you're there, you'll know it, because it's something you've always know, but had somehow forgotten all about it. The truth is that you can't compare this 3D existance with it, because it is so completely different, and IMO, this is what causes the amnesia. Our minds are far greater in another realm where we do and where we are our true selves, but here we only have enough for what needs to be done. This works on several levels, since you can't spill what you don't know or can't remember, and keep in mind that there are countless entities who would give and/or promise anything for a chance to take what's rightfully yours...

The sensation I have is that I'm trapped here for the remainder of this life, but I can remember EXACTLY where I want to go, so I'm relatively unconcerned about how everyone else wants to get there, or how long it will take. Lately I've been fluxing with some seriously wild energy, and I feel a major transformation taking place. Very cool stuff.

-3G

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GibbleTronic wrote:

This is one reason why STO crushes STS head to head every time. STO is not restricted by limited resources, enjoying access to ALL of it, while STS, no matter how powerful, eventually runs out of juice and has to give up.

Hello, I am just wondering if it's the other way around?  Wouldn't a STO being lay down the "sword" to the STS being - thus becoming One with all like you said, making it imposible for STS to harm the STO being?

Eh, it's the same thing, reading over it a second time.

Anywho, great posts everyone!  And thanks!  This is such an insightful thread. 

The application of the knowledge is what leads someone to their HS and in turn to "inner" freedom.  We can look at all these matrices, be in physical or non-physical, and say we're not free, but in the end if we have a connection to the Source, and if that connection is available within, then true liberation comes from within!  It's all been said before though, just keeps re-surfacing in a new light from time to time. smile

Thanks for all the information about Soul travel and lucid dreaming.  I'm going to give it a go and see what I can experience in the dream scape.  I've had a few lucid dreams before, but they seemed like mere chance that I had them. LoL.  Although I do find dream recall and lucid dreaming a LOT easier when I take day time naps. 

And to comment on the blissful feeling.  Wow.  It's amazing.  My body feels sooooo light, and then once I lay on my bed (or do exercise) it feels like I'm floating.  The last time I felt that way it reminded my playing in my room as a kid.  I think that the creative energies we experience as kids is the same awareness energy felt during meditation and blissful events.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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GibbleTronic wrote:

As for solutions, the answer may be easier than you think. The reality is that the actions taken during your life creates your truth indicator, and your decisions are understood in the context that they were made. There is no escaping your deeds, but if you're able to live with them, you'll find that the main reason these beings wish to trap you is because your energy is the only thing that sustains them. If you refuse to feed them, they cannot hold onto you, since the path they must follow to hold onto you is yours, and each decision you make that is not consistent with their perspective takes them further away from their understanding, which increases the likelyhood that they will cease, as the energy required to maintain is enormous and it increases exponentionally unless their calculations are highly accurate.

Great explanation! I don't understand the last part about "their calculations being highly accurate," but everything else makes perfect sense to me.

Natural Mystic wrote:

but in the end if we have a connection to the Source, and if that connection is available within, then true liberation comes from within!

Play it again, Sam smile We hear it a thousand times, but sometimes it clicks in even tighter. This thread is clicking for me - I think because sometimes I forget about the enormity of the opportunity we have to make decisions that change our energetic vibration - or whatever you want to call the STO alignments we're making in this life via our decisions to decide to a.) connect to something greater than ourselves b.) align ourselves with truth c.) seek freedom at the cost of our ego.

PleiadeanHealer wrote:

The good news is you can still pick up where you left off, and still work on awakening the third-eye.   I do think is this a very worthwhile aspect to anyones spiritual development.   The figure 8 technique I gave out in another thread would be a big help with this.

PH, thanks by the way for that 8 technique. For whatever reason, it's really stuck with me since I read your post!

Regarding soul travel - do you think soul travel is "safe" - and by safe I mean, how risky is it in terms of opening doors for potential undesirable "stuff", i.e. attachments, cling-ons, etheric attacks and the like. I've been feeling a lot less experimental lately (honestly, since reading the Reptile Solutions thread wherein we were all talking about attachment release!) What do you do to protect yourself during OBE's? Or, is it simply not an issue for you? Thanks!

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lyra wrote:
The Insider wrote:

Are you really living on the planet you think you are?

That seems to be the biggie that stands out for people when they think back on The Insider.  Regardless of whether he was the real deal, or a clever imposter, just the idea of this......are you really living on the planet you think you are?......gave a LOT of people pause.  !   

Because what if we're not?

That quote from Insider can be read in a number of ways.

"Are you really living on the planet you think you are?"

Much of what Insider spoke about focused on how we create our realities.  What if the only reason the world is like it is, is because we think it is that way.  Maybe in truth we don't actually live in the world that our mind / thoughts tell us we do.

I tend to feel that Insider was placing more emphasis on the word "think" than he was placing on the word "world".

That would tie into almost everything else he said.

How deeply do we believe in the world around us.  Is it purely on a mind level?  Or what if that belief extends to our spiritual / higher self?  Would that then mean many of the spiritual worlds we see would also be an extension of our beliefs / thoughts?  How much of what we "believe" affects our next reincarnation?

What if our spiritual / higher mind was totally wiped clean?  Would we then return here - or would we be free to travel somewhere else.

Insider wrote:

"Knowing yourself and where you really are, are the 2 most important issues that you should be involved with.

Doesn't this line of thought carry a ton of implications?

The more we are indoctrinated and distracted, the more we search outside of ourselves!  Does this get us closer or further away from knowing ourselves and where we are?

How much of this junk do we carry with us when we die?  How much of that junk is responsible for us constantly returning here?

Are we where we think we are?



That's one other way of interpreting that specific quote from Insider...and there are a number of others.  Most of what Insider wrote can be interpreted in a number of ways – and I suspect many people have misinterpreted a large portion of the rest of his writing...

Doesn’t that teach us a lot about ourselves and our assumptions?

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Marcus, I do realize that.  I wasn't trying to imply that we're literally not living on Earth as we believe we are, or that we're floating around in space on a construct as featured in "Dark City," which was something that was mentioned earlier in this thread as a related analogy. 

The way I've always interpretted this particular quote from the Insider is, Is our reality what we think it is?  You'll probably remember that I do go around spouting THAT one a lot!  big_smile   I'm always going around saying, This world and this reality is not what they'd have you believe.  It's specifically in relation to:

- We have more power and abilities than "they" want us to realize;
- The "rules" of this reality, and what we believe is technologically possible or impossible is also not what we've been taught;
- The history of this planet and of life on Earth - including Mankind - is not what we've been taught. We're not who we've been told we are.  (See the work of Lloyd Pye for further information on this.)


Etc.  But that's always how I personally interpretted this quote, which sounds to me like what you've just re-explained.  But definitely, being given false information as we have, and being set up with a limiting set of beliefs about who we are and what's going on in this reality would indeed create quite a conundrum in the afterlife.  We'll wind up continuing down a mistaken path that involves reincarnation, or being herded into the personalized "cattle pen" mentioned earlier in the thread....

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Didn't mean to imply that I was aiming that post at you specifically Lyra.  I quoted your quote because it was relevant to some thoughts I had.

What you mention here is sorta what I am talking about - though slightly different.  Rather than his quote being aimed at the false information we have been given; what I meant was that I felt Insider may have been talking about our personal views / beliefs on our world / reality - and what we do with them. 

The world we think we are on.  Was he saying our thoughts maybe off because we have been misled?  Guess we don't know for sure...but I don't think that is what Insider was saying.  I think it was meant on a far more personal level than that...

Sure we are fed dis-info, but why do some cling to it whilst others walk away?  More to the point...why do any of us cling to any of our thoughts?

Perhaps it is the manner in which we think about the world - rather than the content our thoughts have?  In fact I could almost go as far to say (that at the end of the day) the manner in which we think is totally our responsibility and has no, if little bearing on what we have recieved from the external world.

The content we have been fed is a different matter - and when looked at in the context of the previous paragraph is largely irrelevant.

Maybe as Insider said, it doesn't matter what "they" tell us, or what the schools tell us.  We can't be shown the truth at any rate - and it is our personal responsibility to discover the truth for ourselves.

So not as much about what we think about our reality / world...but more about the way in which we think...

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