Topic: High Level M-Band Noise: The Pressure

Sorry but this may be a long post. In fact this post was intented to be in Ending Contracts thread, but I have some new questions regarding the following article from Bruce Moen.

Bruce Moen is a participant of Monroe Institute, exploring in Focus 27 with Monroe Inst. group. Below is an article from his web site 

Bruce is in Focus 27 again. The task is to explore how human beings move from Focus 27 into physical lifetimes on the earth

Bruce Moen wrote:

"Are you the Entry Director I'm supposed to talk to?" I thought out to the presence behind me.
"Well, let's just say I'm one of many who attend to the operation of the Reentry Station and I can probably answer your questions."
"I'm a member of a group in a program called Exploration 27 at The Monroe Institute back on earth. We're all here to learn about the inner workings of Focus 27."
"Yes, I know. Your buddy, Bob Monroe, told us your group would be coming for a tour of the place. How can I be of assistance?"
"Is this thing I'm looking at, the tower with the bell shapes at the top, is that the Reentry Station?"
"What does it do and how does it work?"
"Look closely around the big open end of the bell shape at the left and tell me what you see," the ED suggested.
"I see a flow of something entering the open end of the bell shape," I described.
"Direct your attention to that flow and tell me what you see there," the ED continued.
"I see a cylindrical flow of little bits of yellowish-gold light, all moving together into the bell shape."
"Look closely at the bits of light."
I moved closer to the flow to get a better look.
"They all have generally the same size and shape, and they're emitting light. They look a little like cocktail shrimp after they've been cooked and peeled, kind of the shape of little cheese curls. I've seen these things before in a place I call the Flying Fuzzy Zone. These curls look the same, but in the Flying Fuzzy Zone they fly all around like moths buzzing a bright light. What are these things?"
"Focus your attention on them, what do they feel like?"
After gazing at them for several moments I got the precept, "I'll be a son of a . . . those curls are people! Each one is a separate human being!"
"They seem to be in some kind of 'dormant' state. Not too much activity going on in them, not much thinking. More like they're asleep and waiting. Why are they like that, and why are they entering the bell shape of the Reentry Station?"
"Come on, follow me," the ED replied, "we'll go inside the station so you can take a look."

Now comes the interesting points:

Bruce Moen wrote:

There was a quick feeling of movement and then I was standing at the center the of the area where the small ends of the two bells joined. I could plainly see the flow of curls being compressed as it passed through this area.
"This part of the station is called the constriction," the ED volunteered.
"This section seems to be putting the curls under pressure. Why?" I asked.
"Preparation for entry into physical world reality. The awareness of each curl is compressed here to help hold it together and stay focused in one place long enough to make the transition."
"I'm getting the sense that compression also closes down its conscious awareness of nonphysical reality in general, including awareness of nonphysical aspects of itself. Is that a result of compressing a curl's conscious awareness?"
"Yes. Physical world reality is a pretty crowded place. By compressing the curl's awareness into one place, it's more concentrated. It's better able to focus, concentrate if you like, on its tasks and purposes once its in the physical world. Less apt to be distracted by input overload from the high level, M-band noise pressure."
"Input overload? High level M-band noise pressure?"
"At the level of physical world reality there are presently over five billion human inhabitants packed onto a very small place called earth. Everyone living there is constantly broadcasting their thoughts and feelings into that close quarters environment. They're like five billion little radio stations all broadcasting their own, unique talk shows into the airwaves at the same time. Those thoughts and feelings are what we call M-band noise. There are so many people broadcasting at once, all pushing their thoughts and feelings out into the environment, we call it high level, M-band noise pressure."

In fact this was just what I thought of 3D experience. Getting so many awareness sources into very little space!

Bruce Moen wrote:

"Does closing down a curl's level of awareness by compression in the constriction section have something to do with limiting the effect of that M-band noise?" I asked, responding to impressions I was getting as I watched the curls pass through. "It limits the curl's ability to sense things in the nonphysical environment, doesn't it." "Yes it does. You see, if a curl's conscious awareness remained fully expanded to its normal size during and after entry into physical world reality it couldn't function. It's being constantly bombarded by a great percentage of the M-band noise. Finding its own memories and thoughts amongst that blaring jumble would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. At its normal level the curl's awareness would be in a constant state of complete and utter chaos, as a result of the input overload. Such overload would make progress on a curl's purpose for being in physical world reality impossible. The compression step of the reentry process concentrates the curl's awareness into a very small area, allowing it to be less aware of M-band noise."
"So compression reduces conscious awareness of nonphysical reality. But doesn't that also make it so the curl has no memory of what happened to it or decisions about its purpose made before entry into the physical world?"
"Well, yes, sort of. Memory of those decisions and contact with the Greater Self, your Disk or Monroe's I/There, is also almost completely blocked by the compression. You see, compression works on the level of the curl's conscious awareness. That doesn't mean those memories and contacts are removed or totally inaccessible, they're just compressed into the subconscious. They are fully accessible, but ordinarily only at the curl's subconscious levels.
"Wouldn't be better to let curls decide whether they want this to happen or not?"
"They do decide, Bruce. Each curl understands and agrees to this as part of the reentry process. It's not a rule imposed upon the curl by anyone, it's part of the preparation necessary for survival in the environment. You could think of it like the old fashion, deep sea diving suits. You know, the ones with the big heavy helmet and air hose hooked to a pump on the surface. To withstand the pressure and survive while exploring the ocean bottom in the old days, divers had to wear the suit. Compression at the Reentry Station is where the curl puts on that suit."
"I'm getting that M-band noise is somehow similar to the water pressure at the bottom of the ocean in your metaphor," I said, responding to incoming impressions.
"Very good! M-band noise IS like the water of the ocean. As you go deeper toward the ocean bottom, physical world reality, M-band noise pressure becomes greater. Once a curl reaches physical world reality M-band noise pressure actually helps maintain compression of its conscious awareness within the limits of its physical body."
"What do you mean?"
"Remember, we are talking about conscious awareness of the curl. If the diver, in my metaphor, tries to expand himself at the bottom of the ocean he has to push outward against the surrounding water pressure. If a curl attempts to extend its conscious awareness beyond the confines of its body it encounters the M-band noise of all the other inhabitants. Just like a diver extending himself beyond his suit and feeling the water, a curl extending its awareness beyond its body becomes aware of the blaring jumble of the M-band noise. The thoughts and feelings of the other inhabitants begin to come into the curl's awareness. It's such a jumble it tends to breakup the concentration and focus required to further extend its awareness. Prolonged contact with the surrounding M-band noise leads to wandering thought trains that jump from one track to another as thoughts and feelings of others flood into the curl's thus triggering memory associations. After a while, curls generally stop trying to expand their awareness, since they so easily lose the train of thought necessary to do so. That's how M-band noise pressure tends to maintain compression of conscious awareness. Some curls continuing trying to expand their awareness into the M-band noise and some of the successful ones are often labeled psychotic."

A very good metaphor! So we have "diver's suits". But this brings new questions to the mind (which is at the end of the post).

Bruce Moen wrote:

"How can curls safely get through the M-band noise to expand their awareness?" I wondered out loud.
"By learning to focus their attention not through the M-band noise, but beyond it. If the curl learns to focus its awareness at a level of consciousness where the M-band noise is attenuated or nonexistent, expansion is much easier. Meditation is an useful, time tested method and the one you're using seems to work pretty well."
"The method I'm using?" I asked, puzzled.
"You learned to focus your attention beyond the M-band noise using the sound patterns of hemi-sync. Remember something in the advertising about coherent brain wave states. You learned to maintain your focus and avoid the jumble by shifting your conscious awareness past M-band noise and into states you call Focus levels. Focus 10, Focus 21 and so on are levels of human consciousness with greatly reduced M-band noise."
"I see what you mean. The hemi-sync the tool I stumbled upon allowed me to remain in a coherent, focused state as I expanded my awareness past the M-band noise and into states beyond it!"
"You sound surprised! Hemi-sync is an adaptation of a long known technique. As for stumbling upon it, later you might want to check for filament of awareness connections between yourself and the guy who introduced that system. For right now let's get back to the to the purpose of your tour," the ED said cryptically.
"Okay. I'm getting that compression also causes the curls to lose memory of where they came from. It's the reason so few have any past life memories or awareness of anything that exists beyond their present physical world."
"Yes, that's a byproduct of the compression. Again, compression pushes these memories into the curl's subconscious, by definition that means the curl is not consciously aware of them. Typically, they are unable to extend their conscious awareness through the M-band noise to access 'outside' sources of the information either. These, so called, outside sources of information exist in awareness levels adjacent to the physical. Past life memories, the focus levels you're aware of, lots of information sources exist in these adjacent levels of awareness. Of course the information is carried inside the curl too, but few learn to focus inward to find it there. Curl's, compressed as they are have little if any conscious awareness of that information stored within themselves, and the M-band noise tends to cut off access to adjacent sources...

Now the most important question is, if there's such a byproduct as forgetting everything and getting stuck to 3D over & over, why didn't Greater Selves cancelled/finished the process? This is obvious that the project is out of its course!

And another very important point - I read Monroe trilogy and also Moen's writings and there's no mention of higher dimension STS intervention here. Although Monroe is the writer that used the term "loosh production" first, there's no mention of how/when/why is there such intervention. When did this project get out of hand? How did we (as our Higher selves) allow higher STS to lock us here? What is the missing info?

If there's anyone patient enough to read till here, all thoughts and insights are welcome on this!

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

Re: High Level M-Band Noise: The Pressure

Hi Ferit,

Monroe was not allowed to publish certain things because they were too shocking, so what is available to read is only part of the picture. What else could be more shocking than the same thing Castaneda found most shocking: the flyers/predators.

Active Side of Infinity wrote:

Darkness had descended very quickly, and the foliage of the trees that
had been glowing green a little while before was now very dark and heavy.
Don Juan said that if I paid close attention to the darkness of the foliage
without focusing my eyes, but sort of looked at it from the corner of my eye,
I would see a fleeting shadow crossing my field of vision.

"This is the appropriate time of day for doing what I am asking you to
do," he said. "It takes a moment to engage the necessary attention in you to
do it. Don't stop until you catch that fleeting black shadow."

I did see some strange fleeting black shadow projected on the foliage
of the trees. It was either one shadow going back and forth or various
fleeting shadows moving from left to right or right to left or straight up in
the air. They looked like fat black fish to me, enormous fish. It was as if
gigantic swordfish were flying in the air. I was engrossed in the sight. Then,
finally, it scared me. It became too dark to see the foliage, yet I could still
see the fleeting black shadows.

"What is it, don Juan?" I asked. "I see fleeting black shadows all over
the place."

"Ah, that's the universe at large," he said, "incommensurable,
nonlinear, outside the realm of syntax. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were
the first ones to see those fleeting shadows, so they followed them around.
They saw them as you're seeing them, and they saw them as energy that
flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental."
He stopped talking and looked at me. His pauses were perfectly
placed. He always stopped talking when I was hanging by a thread.

"What did they discover, don Juan?" I asked.

"They discovered that we have a companion for life," he said, as
clearly as he could. "We have a predator that came from the depths of the
cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.
The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we
want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it
demands that we don't do so."

It was very dark around us, and that seemed to curtail any expression
on my part. If it had been daylight, I would have laughed my head off. In the
dark, I felt quite inhibited.

"It's pitch black around us," don Juan said, "but if you look out of the
corner of your eye, you will still see fleeting shadows jumping all around

He was right. I could still see them. Their movement made me dizzy.
Don Juan turned on the light, and that seemed to dissipate everything.
"You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of
ancient Mexico called the topic of topics," don Juan said. "I have been
beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is
holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact
for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico."

"Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're
describing, don Juan?" I asked. "There must be a logical explanation."

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest
explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and
they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear
chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops,
humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

I felt that my head was shaking violently from side to side. I could not
express my profound sense of unease and discontentment, but my body
moved to bring it to the surface. I shook from head to toe without any
volition on my part.

"No, no, no, no," I heard myself saying. "This is absurd, don Juan.
What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for
sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates

"Yes, it infuriates me," I retorted. "Those claims are monstrous!"

"Well," he said, "you haven't heard all the claims yet. Wait a bit
longer and see how you feel. I'm going to subject you to a blitz. That is, I'm
going to subject your mind to tremendous onslaughts, and you cannot get up
and leave because you're caught. Not because I'm holding you prisoner, but
because something in you will prevent you from leaving, while another part
of you is going to go truthfully berserk. So brace yourself!"

There was something in me which was, I felt, a glutton for punishment.
He was right. I wouldn't have left the house for the world. And yet I
didn't like one bit the inanities he was spouting.

"I want to appeal to your analytical mind," don Juan said. Think for a
moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the
intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs,
or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the
predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil,
our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations
and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed,
and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" I asked, somehow angered
further by what he was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while
we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling.
"They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep
us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a
stupendous maneuver-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a
fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those
who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give
us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque,
contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger," he went
on, "you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the
predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be
uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after
all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings
whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree
of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"It's not that I can't accept all this at face value, don Juan," I said. "I
could, but there's something so odious about it that it actually repels me. It
forces me to take a contradictory stand. If it's true that they eat us, how do
they do it?"

Don Juan had a broad smile on his face. He was as pleased as punch.
He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous
balls of energy, covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat,
something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of
energy. He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators
consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left
of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the
ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue
living, but only barely.

As if I had been in a dream, I heard don Juan Matus explaining that to
his knowledge, man was the only species that had the glowing coat of
awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for
an awareness of a different order, such as the heavy awareness of the

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He
said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection,
where man was irremediably caught. By playing on our self-reflection,
which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of
awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion.
They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and
in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the
energetic flare of our pseudoconcerns.

There must have been something to what don Juan was saying, which
was so devastating to me that at that point I actually got sick to my stomach.
After a moment's pause, long enough for me to recover, I asked don
Juan: "But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers
today, although they see the predators, don't do anything about it?"
"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a
grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where
they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through
those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more
aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you. And not so much because they
don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an
ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence."
My analytical mind swung back and forth like a yo-yo. It left me and
came back and left me and came back again. Whatever don Juan was
proposing was preposterous, incredible. At the same time, it was a most
reasonable thing, so simple. It explained every kind of human contradiction I
could think of. But how could one have taken all this seriously? Don Juan
was pushing me into the path of an avalanche that would take me down

I felt another wave of a threatening sensation. The wave didn't stem
from me, yet it was attached to me. Don Juan was doing something to me,
mysteriously positive and terribly negative at the same time. I sensed it as an
attempt to cut a thin film that seemed to be glued to me. His eyes were fixed
on mine in an unblinking stare. He moved his eyes away and began to talk
without looking at me anymore.

"Whenever doubts plague you to a dangerous point," he said, "do
something pragmatic about it. Turn off the light. Pierce the darkness; find
out what you can see."

He got up to turn off the lights. I stopped him.

"No, no, don Juan," I said, "don't turn off the lights. I'm doing okay."
What I felt then was a most unusual, for me, fear of the darkness. The
mere thought of it made me pant. I definitely knew something viscerally, but
I wouldn't dare touch it, or bring it to the surface, not in a million years!
"You saw the fleeting shadows against the trees," don Juan said,
sitting back against his chair. "That's pretty good. I'd like you to see them
inside this room. You're not seeing anything. You're just merely catching
fleeting images. You have enough energy for that.

I feared that don Juan would get up anyway and turn off the lights,
which he did. Two seconds later, I was screaming my head off. Not only did
I catch a glimpse of those fleeting images, I heard them buzzing by my ears.
Don Juan doubled up with laughter as he turned on the lights.

"What a temperamental fellow!" he said. "A total disbeliever, on the
one hand, and a total pragmatist on the other. You must arrange this internal
fight. Otherwise, you're going to swell up like a big toad and burst."
Don Juan kept on pushing his barb deeper and deeper into me. "The
sorcerers of ancient Mexico," he said, "saw; the predator. They called it the
flyer because it leaps through the air. It is not a pretty sight. It is a big
shadow, impenetrably dark, a black shadow that jumps through the air.
Then, it lands flat on the ground. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite
ill at ease with the idea of when it made its appearance on Earth. They
reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with
stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays.
And then everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated

I wanted to get angry, call him a paranoiac, but somehow the
righteousness that was usually just underneath the surface of my being
wasn't there. Something in me was beyond the point of asking myself my
favorite question: What if all that he said is true? At the moment he was
talking to me that night, in my heart of hearts, I felt that all of what he was
saying was true, but at the same time, and with equal force, all that he was
saying was absurdity itself.

"What are you saying, don Juan?" I asked feebly. My throat was
constricted. I could hardly breathe.

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple
predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to
render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no
longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for
man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of
meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

Don Juan's words were eliciting a strange, bodily reaction in me
comparable to the sensation of nausea. It was as if I were going to get sick to
my stomach again. But the nausea was coming from
the bottom of my being, from the marrow of my bones. I convulsed
involuntarily. Don Juan shook me by the shoulders forcefully. I felt my neck
wobbling back and forth under the impact of his grip. The maneuver calmed
me down at once. I felt more in control.

"This predator," don Juan said, "which, of course, is an inorganic
being, is not altogether invisible to us, as other inorganic beings are. 1 think
as children we do see it and decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think
about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but
everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so.

"The only alternative left for mankind," he continued, "is discipline.
Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh
routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing
cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as
the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our
expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without
flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled
with awe."

"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent?" I asked.
"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness
unpalatable to the flyer," don Juan said, scrutinizing my face as if to discover
any signs of disbelief. "The result is that the predators become bewildered.
An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I
suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than
refraining from continuing their nefarious task.

"If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while,"
he went on, "it'll keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I
can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away
long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the
level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to
its natural size.

The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of
awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and
volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous
maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan
continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out
that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation
would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver
the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation
comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which
the fleeing of the 'flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees
permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on
your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to
do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're
accustomed to.

"My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples," don
Juan continued, "that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the
real mind that belongs to us, the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime
of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, 1
would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is
merely preparation."

I became genuinely agitated. I wanted to know more, and yet a
strange feeling in me clamored for me to stop. It alluded to dark results and
punishment, something like the wrath of God descending on me for
tampering with something veiled by God himself. 1 made a supreme effort
to allow my curiosity to win.

"What-what-what do you mean," I heard myself say, "by taxing the
flyers' mind?"

"Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end," he replied. "So, through
their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation."

I was overwhelmed by his statements. I believed that don Juan was
either certifiably insane or that he was telling me something so awesome that
it froze everything in me. I noticed, however how quickly I rallied my
energy to deny everything he had said. After an instant of panic, I began to
laugh, as if don Juan had told me a joke. I even heard myself saying, "Don
Juan, don Juan, you're incorrigible!"

Don Juan seemed to understand everything I was experiencing. He
shook his head from side to side and raised his eyes to the heavens in a
gesture of mock despair.

"I am so incorrigible," he said, "that I am going to give the flyers'
mind, which you carry inside you, one more jolt. I am going to reveal to you
one of the most extraordinary secrets of sorcery. I am going to describe to
you a finding that took sorcerers thousands of years to verify and

He looked at me and smiled maliciously. "The flyers' mind flees
forever," he said, "when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating
force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer
maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And
that's exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you

I had the most inexplicable reaction I could have imagined.
Something in me actually shook, as if it had received a jolt. I entered into a
state of unwarranted fear, which I immediately associated with my religious

Don Juan looked at me from head to toe.

"You are fearing the wrath of God, aren't you?" he said. "Rest assured,
that's not your fear. It's the flyers' fear, because it knows that you will do
exactly as I'm telling you."

His words did not calm me at all. I felt worse. I was actually
convulsing involuntarily, and I had no means to stop it.
"Don't worry," don Juan said calmly. "I know for a fact that those
attacks wear off very quickly. The flyer's mind has no concentration

After a moment, everything stopped, as don Juan had predicted. To
say again that I was bewildered is a euphemism. This was the first time ever,
with don Juan or alone, in my life that I didn't know whether I was coming
or going. I wanted to get out of the chair and walk around, but I was deathly
afraid. I was filled with rational assertions, and at the same time I was filled
with an infantile fear. I began to breathe deeply as a cold perspiration
covered my entire body. I had somehow unleashed on myself a most
godawful sight: black, fleeting shadows jumping all around me, wherever I

I closed my eyes and rested my head on the arm of the stuffed chair.
"I don't know which way to turn, don Juan," I said. "Tonight, you have really
succeeded in getting me lost."

"You're being torn by an internal struggle," don Juan said. "Down in
the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the
agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of
awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment
to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will stand
against this situation with all its might.

"The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor
agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I
would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My
parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's
the end of the story."

Don Juan stood up from his chair and stretched his arms and legs.
"We have been sitting here for hours. It's time to go into the house. I'm
gonna eat. Do you want to eat with me?"

I declined. My stomach was in an uproar.

"I think you'd better go to sleep," he said. "The blitz has devastated

I didn't need any further coaxing. I collapsed onto my bed and fell
asleep like the dead.

At home, as time went by, the idea of the flyers became one of the
main fixations of my life. I got to the point where I felt that don Juan was
absolutely right about them. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't discard
his logic. The more I thought about it, and the more I talked to and observed
myself and my fellow men, the more intense the conviction that something
was rendering us incapable of any activity or any interaction or any thought
that didn't have the self as its focal point. My concern, as well as the concern
of everyone I knew or talked to, was the self. Since I couldn't find any
explanation for such universal homogeneity, I believed that don Juan's line
of thought was the most appropriate way of elucidating the phenomenon.
I went as deeply as I could into readings about myths and legends. In
reading, I experienced something I had never felt before: Each of the books I
read was an interpretation of myths and legends. In each one of those books,
a homogeneous mind was palpable. The styles differed, but the drive behind
the words was homogeneously the same: Even though the theme was something
as abstract as myths and legends, the authors always managed to insert
statements about themselves. The homogeneous drive behind every one of
those books was not the stated theme of the book; instead, it was selfservice.
I had never felt this before.

I attributed my reaction to don Juan's influence. The unavoidable
question that I posed to myself was: Is he influencing me to see this, or is
there really a foreign mind dictating everything we do? I lapsed, perforce,
into denial again, and I went insanely from denial to acceptance to denial.
Something in me knew that whatever don Juan was driving at was an
energetic fact, but something equally important in me knew that all of that
was guff. The end result of my internal struggle was a sense of foreboding,
the sense of something imminently dangerous coming at me.
I made extensive anthropological inquiries into the subject of the
flyers in other cultures, but I couldn't find any references to them anywhere.
Don Juan seemed to be the only source of information about this matter. The
next time I saw him, I instantly jumped to talk about the flyers.

"I have tried my best to be rational about this subject matter," I said,
"but I can't. There are moments when I fully agree with you about the

"Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see,"
don Juan said with a smile.

I told don Juan that those fleeting shadows were going to be the end of
my rational life. I saw them everywhere. Since I had left his house, I was
incapable of going to sleep in the dark. To sleep with the lights on did not
bother me at all. The moment I turned the lights off, however, everything
around me began to jump. I never saw complete figures or shapes. All I saw
were fleeting black shadows.

"The flyers' mind has not left you," don Juan said. "It has been
seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you.
But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real
danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you
to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say.
"You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors," don Juan continued.
"When it proposes something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it
makes you believe that you've done something of worth. The flyers' mind
will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and
then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, 'Yes, of course, it is
nonsense,' you will say. That's the way they overcome us.

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe," he went on, "and
they must be taken as what they really are-awesome, monstrous. They are
the means by which the universe tests us.

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if
he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of
energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe
becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They
cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe
allows us to continue."

I wanted don Juan to say more. But he said only, "The blitz ended the
last time you were here; there's only so much you could say about the flyers.
It's time for another kind of maneuver."

I couldn't sleep that night. I fell into a light sleep in the early hours of
the morning, until don Juan dragged me out of my bed and took me for a
hike in the mountains. Where he lived, the configuration of the land was
very different from that of the Sonoran desert, but he told me not to indulge
in comparison that after walking for a quarter of a mile, every place in the
world was just the same.

"Sightseeing is for people in cars," he said. "They go at great speed
without any effort on their part. Sightseeing is not for walkers. For instance,
when you are riding in a car, you may see a gigantic mountain whose sight
overwhelms you with its beauty. The sight of the same mountain will not
overwhelm you in the same manner if you look at it while you're going on
foot; it will overwhelm you in a different way, especially if you have to
climb it or go around it."

It was very hot that morning. We walked on a dry riverbed. One thing
that this valley and the Sonoran desert had in common was their millions of
insects. The gnats and flies all around me were like dive-bombers that aimed
at my nostrils, eyes, and ears. Don Juan told me not to pay attention to their

"Don't try to disperse them with your hand," he uttered in a firm tone.
"Intend them away. Set up an energy barrier around you. Be silent, and from
your silence the barrier will be constructed. Nobody knows how this is done.
It is one of those things that the old sorcerers called energetic facts. Shut off
your internal dialogue. That's all it takes.

"I want to propose a weird idea to you," don Juan went on as he kept
walking ahead of me.

I had to accelerate my steps to be closer to him so as not to miss
anything he said.

"I have to stress that it's a weird idea that will find endless resistance
in you," he said. "I will tell you beforehand that you won't accept it easily.
But the fact that it's weird should not be a deterrent. You are a social
scientist. Therefore, your mind is always open to inquiry, isn't that so?"
Don Juan was shamelessly making fun of me. I knew it, but it
didn't bother me. Perhaps due to the fact that he was walking so fast,
and I had to make a tremendous effort to keep up with him, his sarcasm just
sloughed off me, and instead of making me feisty, it made me laugh. My
undivided attention was focused on what he was saying, and the insects
either stopped bothering me because I had intended a barrier of energy
around me or because I was so busy listening to don Juan that I didn't care
about their buzzing around me anymore.

"The weird idea," he said slowly, measuring the effect of his words,
"is that every human being on this earth seems to have exactly the same
reactions, the same thoughts, the same feelings. They seem to respond in
more or less the same way to the same stimuli. Those reactions seem to be
sort of fogged up by the language they speak, but if we scrape that off, they
are exactly the same reactions that besiege every human being on Earth. I
would like you to become curious about this, as a social scientist, of course,
and see if you could formally account for such homogeneity."

Don Juan collected a series of plants. Some of them could hardly be
seen. They seemed to be more in the realm of algae, moss. I held his bag
open, and we didn't speak anymore. When he had enough plants, he headed
back for his house, walking as fast as he could. He said that he wanted to
clean and separate those plants and put them in a proper order before they
dried up too much.

I was deeply involved in thinking about the task he had delineated for
me. I began by trying to review in my mind if I knew of any articles or
papers written on this subject. I thought that I would have to research it, and
I decided to begin my research by reading all the works available on
"national character." I got enthusiastic about the topic, in a haphazard way,
and I really wanted to start for home right away, for I wanted to take his task
to heart, but before we reached his house, don Juan sat down on a high ledge
overlooking the valley. He didn't say anything for a while. He was not out of
breath. I couldn't conceive of why he had stopped to sit down.

"The task of the day, for you," he said abruptly, in a foreboding tone,
"is one of the most mysterious things of sorcery, something that goes beyond
language, beyond explanations. We went for a hike today, we talked,
because the mystery of sorcery must be cushioned in the mundane. It must
stem from nothing, and go back again to nothing. That's the art of warriortravelers:
to go through the eye of a needle unnoticed. So, brace yourself by
propping your back against this rock wall, as far as possible from the edge. I
will be by you, in case you faint or fall down."

"What are you planning to do, don Juan?" I asked, and my alarm was
so patent that I noticed it and lowered my voice.

"I want you to cross your legs and enter into inner silence , " he said.
"Let's say that you want to find out what articles you could look for to
discredit or substantiate what I have asked you to do in your academic
milieu. Enter into inner silence, but don't fall asleep. This is not a journey
through the dark sea of awareness. This is seeing from inner silence."
It was rather difficult for me to enter into inner silence without falling
asleep. I fought a nearly invincible desire to fall asleep. I succeeded, and
found myself looking at the bottom of the valley from an impenetrable
darkness around me. And then, I saw something that chilled me to the
marrow of my bones. I saw a gigantic shadow, perhaps fifteen feet across,
leaping in the air and then landing with a silent thud. I felt the thud in my
bones, but I didn't hear it.

"They are really heavy," don Juan said in my ear. He was holding me
by the left arm, as hard as he could.

I saw; something that looked like a mud shadow wiggle on the
ground, and then take another gigantic leap, perhaps fifty feet long, and land
again, with the same ominous silent thud. I fought not to lose my
concentration. I was frightened beyond anything I could rationally use as a
description. I kept my eyes fixed on the jumping shadow on the bottom of
the valley. Then I heard a most peculiar buzzing, a mixture of the sound of
flapping wings and the buzzing of a radio whose dial has not quite picked up
the frequency of a radio station, and the thud that followed was something
unforgettable. It shook don Juan and me to the core-a gigantic black mud
shadow had just landed by our feet.

"Don't be frightened," don Juan said imperiously. "Keep your inner
silence and it will move away."

I was shivering from head to toe. I had the clear knowledge that if I
didn't keep my inner silence alive, the mud shadow would cover me up like
a blanket and suffocate me. Without losing the darkness around me, I
screamed at the top of my voice. Never had I been so angry, so utterly
frustrated. The mud shadow took another leap, clearly to the bottom of the
valley. I kept on screaming, shaking my legs. I wanted to shake off whatever
might come to eat me. My state of nervousness was so intense that I lost
track of time. Perhaps I fainted.

When I came to my senses, I was lying in my bed in don Juan's house.
There was a towel, soaked in icy-cold water, wrapped around my forehead. I
was burning with fever. One of don Juan's female cohorts rubbed my back,
chest, and forehead with rubbing alcohol, but this did not relieve me. The
heat I was experiencing came from within myself. It was wrath and
impotence that generated it.

Don Juan laughed as if what was happening to me was the funniest
thing in the world. Peals of laughter came out of him in an
endless barrage.

"I would never have thought that you would take seeing a flyer so
much to heart," he said.

He took me by the hand and led me to the back of his house, where he
dunked me in a huge tub of water, fully clothed-shoes, watch, everything.
"My watch, my watch!" I screamed.

Don Juan twisted with laughter. "You shouldn't wear a watch when
you come to see me," he said. "Now you've fouled up your

I took off my watch and put it by the side of the tub. I remembered
that it was waterproof and that nothing would happen to it.
Being dunked in the tub helped me enormously. When don Juan
pulled me out of the freezing water, I had gained a degree of control.
"That sight is preposterous!" I kept on repeating, unable to say
anything else.

The predator don Juan had described was not something benevolent. It
was enormously heavy, gross, indifferent. I felt its disregard for us.
Doubtless, it had crushed us ages ago, making us, as don Juan had said,
weak, vulnerable, and docile. I took off my wet clothes, covered myself with
a poncho, sat in my bed, and veritably wept my head off, but not for myself.
I had my wrath, my unbending intent, not to let them eat me. I wept for my
fellow men, especially for my father. I never knew until that instant that I
loved him so much.

"He never had a chance," I heard myself repeating, over and over, as
if the words were not really mine. My poor father, the most considerate
being I knew, so tender, so gentle, so helpless.

Interesting how just those few pages from Castaneda's book "Active Side of Infinity" directly relate to your post, even the part about agreements. It's a complementary perspective to the Monroe/Moen material. You'll remember from the book "Far Journeys" that a historical account was given of how the loosh farm originated:

Far Journeys wrote:

Someone, Somewhere (or both, in millions, or uncountable) requires,
likes, needs, values, collects, drinks, eats, or uses as a drug (sic) a substance
ident Loosh. (Electricity, oil, oxygen, gold, wheat, water, land, old coins,
uranium.) This is a rare substance in Somewhere, and those who possess
Loosh find it vital for whatever it is used for.

Faced with this question of Supply and Demand (a universal law of
Somewhere), Someone decided to produce it artificially, so to speak,
rather than search for it in its "natural" form. He decided to build a
Garden and grow Loosh.

In the natural state, Loosh was found to originate from a series of
vibrational actions in the carbon-oxygen cycle and the residue was Loosh
in varying degrees of purity. It occurred only during such action, and
secondarily during the reactive process. Prospectors from Somewhere
ranged far and wide in search of Loosh sources and new discoveries were
hailed with much enthusiasm and reward.

So it was that Someone and his Garden changed all this. Far off, in a
remote area, he set to work on his experiment. First, he created a proper
environment for the carbon-oxygen cycle, where it would flourish. He
created a Balance with much care, so that proper radiation and other
nourishment would be in continuous supply.

He then tried his First Crop, which actually did produce Loosh, but
only in small quantities and of comparatively low grade, not significant
enough to take back to the heart of Somewhere. The problem was twofold.
The life period was too short and the crop units themselves were too
minute. This brought about limits in quality and quantity, as the crop had
no time to generate Loosh in such close tolerances. Moreover, the Loosh
could be harvested only at the moment of termination of the life span, not
one moment before.

His Second Crop was no better, if as good. He changed the environment
to another part of the Garden, where the density was gaseous rather
than liquid and the higher-density chemicals formed a solid base and thus
were still available. He planted numberless units in many varieties in a
new form, with a great increase in size, some many thousands of times
larger and more complex than the simple unicellular First Crop. He reversed
the carbon-oxygen cycle. Yet all had a basic uniformity. Like the
First Crop, they would reseed at regular intervals and terminate their life
spans automatically. To avoid the uneven distribution of chemicals and
radiation which had been prevalent in the First Crop, he immobilized the
Second Crop. Each was designed to stay principally in its own section of
the Garden. To this end, each was given firm tendrils which burrowed
deep in the more dense chemical matter. Attached to this was a stem or
trunk which helped elevate the upper portion upward for its share of
needed radiation. The upper portion, broad, thin, and somewhat fragile,
was designed as a transducer of carbon-oxygen compounds to and from
the crop unit. As an added thought, brilliant color radiators accompanied
by small particle generators were mounted on each unit, usually near the
top and symmetrically centered.

He set up circulating patterns in the gaseous envelope around the crop,
principally to aid in the reseeding process. Later, he discovered that the
same turbulent effect served as a means of harvesting the Loosh. If the
turbulence were violent enough, the Crop would be blown down, the life
span terminated, and the Loosh would discharge. This was especially useful
when an immediate Loosh supply was desired at a particular point
rather than at Harvest Time.

Despite all of this, the Second Crop was most unsatisfactory. While it
was true that a much greater quantity was attained, the unrefined Loosh
produced was of such low grade that it was scarcely worth the effort. In
addition, the growth period was now too long and no increase in quality
resulted. Some vital element was missing.

Someone hovered over his Garden for a long period in study before he
attempted the Third Crop. It was indeed a challenge. True, he was partially
successful. He had grown Loosh. Yet the product of his efforts fell far
short of the wild, uncultivated variety.

It was inevitable that he perceived the answer. The Third Crop was
living proof of this Truth. The original carbon-oxygen cycle must be included.
Mobility must be restored. Both factors had shown great promise
in high-grade Loosh production. If size could be added to this, much
could be accomplished.

With this plan in the forefront, Someone removed various sample units
from the First Crop, which was still thriving in the liquid portion of the
Garden. He modified them to exist and grow in the gaseous area. He
adapted them first to take nourishment from the Second Crop, which he
permitted to abound for this very purpose. Thus it was that the first of the
Mobiles, the Third Crop, came into being. The Mobiles took nourishment
from the Second Crop, thus ending its life span and producing lowgrade
Loosh. When each huge Mobile terminated its own life span, additional
Loosh was produced. The quantity was massive, but the frequency
pattern of the Loosh residue still left much to be desired.

It was by accident that Someone came upon the Prime Catalyst as
regards Loosh production. The monstrous and slow-moving Mobiles had a
life span far out of proportion to their nourishment input. The growth and
life-termination process was of such length that soon the Mobiles would
all but decimate the Second Crop. The entire Garden would be out of
balance, and there would be no Loosh production whatsoever. Both the
Second and Third Crop faced extinction.

As the Second Crop grew scarce, energy needs of the Mobiles became
acute. Often two Mobiles would seek to ingest the identical Second Crop
unit. This created Conflict, which resulted in physical struggle among two
or more of the ungainly Mobiles.

Someone observed these struggles, at first bemused with the problem,
then with great interest. As the struggles ensued, the Mobiles were emanating
Loosh! Not in fractional amounts, but in sizable, usable quantities
and of a much higher purity.

He quickly put the theory to the test. He removed another unit of First
Crop from the liquid Garden area, redesigned it for the gaseous environment–
but with one significant change. The new Mobile would be somewhat
smaller, but would require the ingestion of other Mobiles for nourishment.
This would solve the problem of overpopulation of Mobiles, and
at the same time would create good quantities of usable Loosh during each
conflict-struggle, plus a bonus if the new class of Mobile terminated the
life span of the other. Someone would be able to transmit to Somewhere
practical amounts of reasonably pure Loosh.

Thus it was that the Rule of the Prime Catalyst came into being.

Conflict among carbon-oxygen cycle units brings forth consistent emanations
of Loosh. It was as simple as that.

Satisfied that he had found the formula, Someone prepared the Fourth
Crop. He knew now that the Third Crop Mobiles were too large and too
long in life span to be ultimately practical. If grown in large numbers, the
entire Garden would have to be expanded and enlarged. There was not
space enough to grow such massive single units and the proportionate
leafy Second Crops to support them. Also, he reasoned correctly that
more rapid and increased mobility would expand the Conflict factor, with
a resultant higher Loosh output.

In one single motion, Someone terminated the life spans of all the
lumbering Third Crop Mobiles. Going back to the First Crop in the
liquid area, he modified and expanded them into a multitude of shapes
and sizes, gave them complex multicellular structures of high mobility. He
designed into them a pattern of balance. There were those that ingested a
Second Crop type of carbon-cycle unit (basically immobile) as an energy
source. There were others, very highly mobile, who required for energy the
ingestion of other mobile Modified First Crop units.

The completed circuit operated quite satisfactorily. The stationary Second
Crop modification in the liquid environment flourished. Small, highly
active liquid-breathing Mobiles took nourishment, "ate" the Second Crop
modification. Larger and/or other active Mobiles consumed for energy
the smaller "plant eaters." When any Mobile grew too large and slow, it
became an easy target for the smaller Mobiles, who attacked in voracious
numbers. The chemical residue from these ingestive actions settled to the
bottom of the liquid medium and so provided new nourishment for the
Stationaries (Modified Second Crop), completing the circuit. The result
was a steady flow of Loosh–from the life-span termination of the Stationaries,
from the intense conflict among the Mobiles to avoid ingestion, and
finally from the sudden termination of the life spans of such Mobiles as
the inevitable product of such conflicts.

Turning to another portion of his Garden–the gaseous area with a
dense-compound base–Someone applied the same techniques with even
more advanced improvements. He added many varieties of Stationaries
(original Second Crop) to provide sufficient and diverse nourishment for
the new Mobiles he was to create. As in the other Garden area, he made
such Mobiles into a balance of two species, those who ingested and drew
energy from the Second Crop Stationaries, and those who required other
Mobiles for sustenance. He created them in literally thousands of original
types, small, large–yet none so large as the Third Crop Mobiles–and
ingeniously gave each some appurtenance for conflict. These took the
form of mass, elusive speed, deceptive and/or protective coating and color
radiation, wave-action and particle perceptors and detectors, and unique
higher-density protuberances for gouging, grasping, and rending during
conflict. All of the latter served neatly to add to and prolong the conflict
periods, with the resultant increase in Loosh emanation.

As a side experiment, Someone designed and created one form of Mobile
that was weak and ineffective by the standards of the other Mobiles in
the Fourth Crop. Yet this experimental Mobile had two distinct advantages.
It had the ability to ingest and take energy from both the Stationaries
and other Mobiles. Second, Someone pulled forth a Piece of Himself
–no other source of such Substance being known or available–to act as
an intensive, ultimate trigger to mobility. Following the Rule of Attraction,
Someone knew that such infusion would create in this particular
Mobile species an unceasing mobility. Always, it would seek to satisfy the
attraction this tiny mote of Himself engendered as it sought reunion with
the infinite Whole. Thus the drive for satisfaction of energy requirements
through ingestion would not be the only motivating force. More important,
the needs and compulsions created by the Piece of Someone could
not be satiated throughout the Garden. Thus the need for mobility would
be ever-present and the conflict between this need and that of energy
replacement would be constant–possibly a continuous high-order Loosh
emanator if it survived.

The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone's expectations. It became
apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the
Garden. The balance of "life" operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor
producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought
into being by the constant life-span terminations from all types of Mobiles
and Stationaries. To handle the output, Someone set up Special Collectors
to aid in the harvest. He set up Channels to convey the raw Loosh from
his Garden to Somewhere. No longer did Somewhere depend principally
upon the "wild state" as the principal source of Loosh. The Garden of
Someone had ended that.

With the success of the Garden and the production of Loosh by cultivated
means, Others began to design and build their Gardens. This was in
accordance with the Law of Supply and Demand (Vacuum is an unstable
condition), as the amounts of Loosh from Someone's Garden only partially
met the requirements of Somewhere. Collectors on behalf of the
Others actually entered the Garden of Someone to take advantage of
those small emanations of Loosh overlooked or ignored by the Collectors
of Someone.

Someone, his work completed, returned to Somewhere and occupied
himself with other matters. Loosh production stayed at a constant level
under the supervision of the Collectors. The only alterations were ordered
by Someone himself. Under instructions from Someone, the Collectors
periodically harvested segments of the Fourth Crop. This was done to
ensure adequate chemicals, radiation, and other nourishment for the
younger, oncoming units. A secondary purpose was to provide occasional
extra amounts of Loosh created by such harvesting.

To reap such harvest, the Collectors generated storms of turbulence and
turmoil in both the gaseous envelope and the more solid chemical formations
that were the base of the Garden itself. Such upheavals had the
effect of terminating life spans of multitudes of the Fourth Crop as they
were crushed under the rolling base formation or smothered under waves
from the agitated liquid area of the Garden. (By peculiarity of design,
Fourth Crop units could not maintain their carbon-oxygen cycle surrounded
by the liquid medium.)

The Garden pattern of "Life" might have gone on thus throughout
eternity had it not been for the perception and inquisitiveness of Someone.
On occasion, he would study samples of Loosh from his Garden.
There was no motive in doing so, other than the fact that Someone may
have held a remote continuing interest in his project.

On a particular analysis of a Loosh sample, Someone had casually examined
the emanations and was about to return it to the Reservoir–when
he became aware of a Difference. It was very slight, but there it was.
His interest centered immediately, he looked again. Woven delicately in
with the more common Loosh emanations was a slender fragment of
purified and distilled Loosh. This was an impossibility. Purified and distilled
Loosh resulted only after the "wild state" Loosh had been processed
many times. The Loosh from the Garden of Someone required the same
treatment before it could be used.

Yet here it was–so finely graded in its refined radiations that it could or
would not return into compound with the raw substance. Someone reaffirmed
his tests, and the result still was positive. There was a factor in his
Garden of which he was unaware.

Quickly, Someone left Somewhere and returned to his Garden. Outwardly,
all seemed the same. The solid-base gaseous areas of the Garden
were an endless carpet of green reflection from the thriving Second Crop.
The Modified First Crop in the liquid area was in perfect accord with the
Action-Reaction Law (a Division of Cause and Effect). Someone perceived
without delay that the Difference–the source of distilled Loosh–
lay neither with the First nor with the Second Crop.

He found his first momentary touch of distilled Loosh emanation in one
of the units of the Fourth Crop (which by then had filtered throughout
the plantings of the Second Crop). The flash came during the unusual
action of this unit as it entered into a life-terminating struggle with another
Fourth Crop unit. This alone would not create distilled Loosh,
Someone knew, and he probed deeper for the source.

It was at that moment he discovered the Difference. The Fourth Crop
unit was not struggling in Conflict over an ingestible remnant of a weaker
Fourth Crop unit or a tasty frond from a nearby Second Crop stem–or to
avoid termination of life and ingestion by the other conflicting Fourth
Crop unit.

It was in Conflict to protect and save from life termination three of its
own newly generated species huddled under a large Second Crop unit
waiting for the outcome. There was no doubt about it. This was the action
that produced the flashes of distilled Loosh.

With this clue, Someone examined the actions of other Fourth Crop
units in the Garden. He found similar flashes when other Fourth Crop
units took the same action in defense of their "young." Still, there was an
inconsistency. The sum of all such flashes of distilled Loosh emanation
from all such actions by the current Fourth Crop units would not amount
to half of the total he had found in the sample from the Reservoir. It was
obvious that another factor was present.

Systematically, he hovered over the Garden, extending his perception
to all areas. Almost immediately, he found the source. High-order distilled
Loosh radiation was originating from one particular section of the Garden.
Quickly, he hurried to the spot.

There it was–an experimental Modified Fourth Crop unit, one of
those that contained a Piece of Himself in its functional pattern. It was
standing alone under the leafy upper portion of a large Second Crop unit.
It was not "hungry." It was not in Conflict with another Fourth Crop
unit. It was not acting in defense of its "young." Then why did it emanate
distilled Loosh in such great quantity?

Someone moved closer. His perception entered into the Modified
Fourth Crop unit and then he knew. The unit was lonely! It was this
effect that produced distilled Loosh.

As Someone drew back, he noted another unusual inconsistency. The
Modified Fourth Crop unit suddenly had become aware of His Presence.
It had collapsed and was jerking in strange convulsions on the solid-base
formation. Clear liquid was being expelled from the two radiation-perceiving
orifices. With this, the distilled Loosh emitted became even more

It was from this that Someone propounded his now famous DLP Formula,
which is in effect in the Garden at this time.

The balance of the story is well known. Someone included the fundamental
in his formula: ". . . The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is
brought forth in Type 4M units by the action of unfulfillment, but only if
such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of
the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the
output of Loosh distillate. . . ."

To put the formula into effect, Someone designed subtle changes in his
Garden, all of them familiar to every historian. The splitting of all Crop
units into Halves (to engender loneliness as they sought to reunite) and
the encouragement of dominance of the Type 4M unit are but two of the
most noteworthy innovations.

As it appears now, the Garden is a fascinating spectacle of efficiency.
The Collectors have long since become Masters at the Art of the DLP
Formula. Type 4M units dominate and have spread through the entire
Garden, with the exception of the deeper portions of the liquid medium.
These are the principal producers of Loosh distillate.

From experience, the Collectors have evolved an entire technology with
complementary tools for the harvesting of Loosh from the Type 4M units.
The most common have been named love, friendship, family, greed, hate,
pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership, possession, sacrifice–and
on a larger scale, nations, provincialism, wars, famine, religion, machines,
freedom, industry, trade, to list a few. Loosh production is higher than
ever before . . .

[...]I turned inward and closed. It was getting too hot to handle. If the rote
was real . . . a huge if. I began to drop off. Anger, the feeling of being on
the receiving end of a huge deception. The resentment at being manipulated,
wanting to strike out at those who were conning me . . . us . . .
all humans . . . who were taking something from us without our consent
or permission. What happened to the freedom idea? Was every thought
and action we took guided–no, directed and controlled just to produce
more Loosh, whatever that was, for a breakfast table or a fuel tank in a
Somewhere? And what could I do about it, even knowing? I dulled deeply
and dropped off more and more . . .

There was some discussion a while ago about the ethics of loosh production:

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

3 (edited by feritciva 2006-03-10 03:45:03)

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the post. I know these are some subjects that is written in the forum before but I am observing a new -and really great- progress here in NR. As the amount of the info that we share is getting bigger, new connections are being made. Lately lots of threads are connected or referring to another one. So this is a puzzle that making more sense with each day.

I remember reading Monroe couldn't publish all his findings - probably here or probably from one of your articles or posts. This makes sense. Because it's really interesting that he talks about loosh and do not ever mention about any other thing on that. We as readers also know that he was in depression to learn the details of this loosh production. So there seems to be some missing points there.

Also when I first read about loosh production (I wrote that to NR, it was a fascinating experience inside a plane, in middle of a midnight flight) I thought about the Don Juan material too. Great connections! Also we have Gurdjieff. He says "there are some things I cannot talk about without being labeled as lunatic, but life is not as you think what it is" and continues saying we are all slaves - like machines.

Also I know of a Sufi (forgot the name) that talks about an inner-enemy. He says "there is an enemy inside me that even if I drink the worst poison, it don't effect him".

Let's connect the dots.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

4 (edited by Zarg 2006-03-10 17:28:29)

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Thanks Feritciva for posting this. I have printed it off to better read it as it relates to something I know about and want to check my source before responding... I also was into Castaneda and spiritual warrior things for a while so this really resonates but I want to get my hands on my other material tomorrow to evaluate it before sharing it...

In the meantime, take a look at  Craft of the Warrior  by Robert L. Spencer -- an interesting book that 'reviews' Castaneda, Millman, Gurdjieff, NLP and Feldenkrais (and others) -- a very interesting synopsis and comparison of these men's works that all seem to have a bearing on each other or a different but common focal point.


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5 (edited by SiriArc 2006-03-11 02:47:04)

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This, in a nutshell, is The Parasitic Factor:

Life feeding on Life - Awareness feeding on Awareness. And to the degree that it exists, The ALL, of this Set, has Cancer.

This is a set-up Doomed to Failure.

What works is Symbiosis and Empathy (Which is the Natural Realm of "loosh").

Far Journeys wrote:

Someone, Somewhere (or both, in millions, or uncountable) requires,
likes, needs, values, collects, drinks, eats, or uses as a drug (sic) a substance
ident Loosh. (Electricity, oil, oxygen, gold, wheat, water, land, old coins,
uranium.) This is a rare substance in Somewhere, and those who possess
Loosh find it vital for whatever it is used for.

The "someone" noted above is a shortsighted, lunatic, drug addict - A minor creator god that is currently in the process of being Healed and restored to pre Distortion Self.

The Family of Light is here to Dissolve this distortion and return to Love That Which is Precious.

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Ferit, the other day I was in and out of sleep and paid attention to how the transition felt. While in the sleep-like state, sounds were muffled, thoughts were abstract, nonlinear, and largely non-verbal, and I felt very light. Upon emerging into waking consciousness, which feels like turning inside out, sounds became loud again and I could feel my thinking slow down like freezing water and become verbal once more... concepts that previously were understandable with perfect clarity became perceived as increasingly complicated and hard to remember. I think Castaneda wrote about the former state being called the Second Attention. Or maybe it's just inner silence, a deep trance state.

But most of all, it felt like my head and body were being compressed, squeezed into a tight container. Like air pressure had turned up, or I was being stuck deep underwater. Is that "The Pressure" ?  It sure felt like pressure to me, and my former clarity disappeared as things became mentally more noisy and slow. So I do believe in this M-Band Noise concept, which explains why nights seem better for creative work than day (due to there being less psychic noise).

Zarg, thanks for mentioning the book by Spencer. Looks interesting and will check it out.

SiriArc, yeah -- Parasitic vs the Symbiosis factor. So loosh is a universal commodity...people produce it, entities harvest it. As I may have mentioned before, the problem is not that something is eating negative emotional energy, but rather that something is actively cultivating it. So rather than people being left alone, generating negative loosh naturally which is then gathered by scavengers, there seems to be a "corporate farm" situation. You know, like cows being given hormones to produce ten times the normal amount of milk, much to their detriment.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

7 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-11 09:41:44)

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From Active Side of Infinity:

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest
explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and
they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear
chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops,
humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."


This makes me think of another angle on the large human population growth of the past few hundred years.  Maybe there has been influence to grow the food base.

Also, this makes me think of another angle on the abortion rights/right to life debates.  For each additional baby, that is another "food source" and if we are limiting babies we are limiting the food source.

There could be a binge occurring.  A rather simple explanation, actually.


From Active Side of Infinity:

"But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers
today, although they see the predators, don't do anything about it?"
"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a
grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where
they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through
those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more
aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you. And not so much because they
don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an
ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence."


"The more aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you."

I have experienced something along these lines - not in the physical sense (although of course that can happen) but more in a psychological sense - in terms of late night discussion.  A sort of pounding: "You're wrong!"  and then later "But what if you're wrong!?"  and then later "You may be correct (in part at least), but think of the trauma that revealing this information will cause.  Think of the harm you will cause in discussing these things.  People are not ready for it."


From Active Side of Infinity:

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe," he went on, "and
they must be taken as what they really are-awesome, monstrous. They are
the means by which the universe tests us.

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if
he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of
energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe
becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They
cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe
allows us to continue."

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wandering1 wrote:

From Active Side of Infinity:

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest
explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and
they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear
chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops,
humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."


If the odds of us getting out of the "humaneros" are similar to those of the chicken getting out of the coop then the only escape is to leap to 4D by whatever means possible.  There has to be a back door..........Unfortunately, I do not see a back door for our partner in suffereing, the chicken.



9 (edited by feritciva 2006-03-11 09:38:13)

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montalk wrote:

Ferit, the other day I was in and out of sleep and paid attention to how the transition felt. While in the sleep-like state, sounds were muffled, thoughts were abstract, nonlinear, and largely non-verbal, and I felt very light. Upon emerging into waking consciousness, which feels like turning inside out, sounds became loud again and I could feel my thinking slow down like freezing water and become verbal once more... concepts that previously were understandable with perfect clarity became perceived as increasingly complicated and hard to remember. I think Castaneda wrote about the former state being called the Second Attention. Or maybe it's just inner silence, a deep trance state.

I began to try concentrating while sleeping & waking up too. The most important thing is while waking up - especially if I wake up suddenly - I feel a kind of pull and weight under my chest. This is under the chest right above abdomen, a little bit left side (I am happy to be in NR, I can't tell this elsewhere without being considered crazy big_smile). So this chest/abdomen area is where this "compression" effects in 3D body I suppose. Solar plexsus chakra is said to be here. Hmm, maybe I have to study a bit on chakras - this is a subject I never looked into.

Location: Solar plexus

Color: Yellow

Parts of the Body: The parts of the body associated with this chakra include the muscular system, the skin as a system, the solar plexus, the large intestine, stomach, liver, and other organs and glands in the region of the solar plexus. Also the eyes, as the organs of sight, and the face, representing figuratively the face one shows the world.

Endocrine Gland: The pancreas

Sense: Eyesight

Consciousness: Parts of the consciousness associated with this chakra include perceptions concerned with power, control, freedom, the ease with which one is able to be themselves - ease of being. Mental activity and the mental body is also associated with this chakra. The solar plexus chakra is also associated with the level of being we call the personality, or ego.

The relationship a person has with fire, or the sun, can be seen to have its parallels in the person’s relationship with the parts of their consciousness that this chakra represents.  Someone sensitive about the sun, then, can be seen to have particular sensitivities about power, or control, or freedom.

Personality and ego? Aren't these the best producers of loosh?

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

Re: High Level M-Band Noise: The Pressure

So what do people think of these "flyers" or "mud shadows" that Casteneda describes?  Are they the equivalent of Reptilians?  Or perhaps they are yet another type of entity?

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Along the lines of what you said, Ferit, I think there might be a physiological "seat" to the predator, and it's somewhere between the gut and solar plexus. Because anytime I have had impulses that clearly feel like the predator pulling my strings, the power source / leverage seems to come from that area. In contrast, when I'm under the levity of higher influences, it feels like an energizing lift to me heart / head / upper-back area. Probably something to do with the chakras or centers. This might be further useful in distinguishing which impulse is which. That area of the body is also the energy spout for etheric vamps. I was just thinking about this last night, funny you posted your similar observation today.

Wandering1, maybe the black, fish-like, heavy thudding, leaping creatures is the 3D mind's attempt to interpret the energy configuration of negative hyperdimensional entities. You know, like a web browser interpreting HTML code according to its own programmed specifications, which is not universal across all browsers. My guess... not certain how it relates exactly to reptilians.

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montalk wrote:

(...)So I do believe in this M-Band Noise concept, which explains why nights seem better for creative work than day (due to there being less psychic noise).

The same here and always enjoyed working, shopping, driving late at night.

Bye, Pictus


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I did the research and read Castaneda's Active Side of Infinity plus Far Journeys and was amazed at the parallels between Lizzies and Flyers.. I have nothing to add to that already obvious issue -- Wandering1 right on!

It does remind me of the black 'shadow people' that many have seen coming and going at night in their bedrooms, sometimes with red eyes (which is why Pictus' picture with the red eye gives me the creeps) -- Castaneda describes them as the black, fish-like, heavy thudding, leaping creatures  and there was a website where these shadow things were identified and then it shut down... seems there were black shadow spiders, snakes and other creatures designed to scare people... they never attacked, nor drained energy, but they came out of the closet at night and disappeared up thru the ceiling -- making sure that they were seen before going! The best analysis of them was 'watchers' for the Darkness...

anybody know more about them???


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14 (edited by montalk 2006-03-11 16:57:08)

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Here is a list of things that came to my mind which would place pressure on the predator:

* Disobey redundant behavioral impulses that do not originate with conscious volition. Interrupt a habit, program, reaction, thought loop.

* Stay lucid to avoid entering into energy-draining autopilot mode.

* Avoid expending energy needlessly worrying about what others are thinking of you.

* Practice thinking / observing / being without internal dialogue.

* Breathe more slowly and deeply.

* Stop being mentally preoccupied with imaginary conflict scenarios

* Counter reactive moments of judgment and condemnation with inner silence or positive thoughts.

* When nervous procrastination and complacency arise, use sheer willpower to force yourself out of it.

* Mix up your routines to avoid settling into a mindless comfort zone.

* Use affirmations, reminders, and other tricks to boost how long you can stick with the discipline.

* Practice uncomfortably boring forms of concentration as an exercise in enforcing your willpower over the predator, which lacks concentration.

* Treat the predator as an adversary and sort whether any particular thoughts, feeling, or action originates with the predator or something higher. Like "this is the predator reacting, it is not me for I am Spirit", etc...

* When the predator resists and gets aggressive, use psychic self-defense techniques involving intent and positive vibes to electrocute it.

* Disobey or delay the immediate gratification of hunger or  boredom pangs to show the predator who's boss.

* Keep your thoughts intentional and well groomed.

* Basically, dis-identify with the predator's mind and prevent yourself from falling into confluence with it. To be in confluence means to lose yourself in something. Stated another way, identify what is the predator and what is the Real You, then constantly go against the predator and constantly strive to think/feel/act as the Real You  - lucid, conscious, intentional, non-reactive, non-fearful, patient, focused, aware.

I think this predator is the same force that keeps people from lucid dreaming. Several times now I was on the verge of becoming lucid when a pressure took over trying to rationalize that I was too tired to become lucid and to just sleep obliviously. That showed me two things: that it takes energy to be lucid, and that something has a vested interest in taking that energy and preventing lucidity. Dreamtime would be an even greater feeding time for the predator than daytime because both the dreamer and the dreamscape are under its complete control. That is, unless other forces intervene to insert a meaningful plot with symbolic message.

So, being self-aware during the day and lucid at night are equally important. But just try even getting to that point... 

Once more:

"All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where
they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through
those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more
aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you."

I think the inner predator is a summation of influences:  1) a parasitic artificial intelligence that slowly grafts itself onto our minds upon our incarnating, 2) the software scripts entered into this "automatic energy extractor" via a lifetime of social conditioning and mind programming, and 3) the etheric/hyper-D entities who perform maintenance on this autonomous predator but can jack themselves into it for manual override.

So most humans then, the ones with soul energy at least, have this parasite attached to them  that works continuously to harvest energy for the matrix loosh economy and to keep the host just alive enough to function in the five-sense reality. What an amazingly efficient farm we have here on earth. Maybe I should be horrified, but I'm actually happy knowing this stuff (if it's true) because there's nothing worse than uncertainty delaying a good fight.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

15 (edited by Zarg 2006-03-12 16:39:16)

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What if there are no black, fish-like, heavy thudding, leaping creatures and it is projected to our minds/perception (by you-know-who) so that we have one more thing to 'entertain' us?

Seriously. John Keel discusses that in his book on multifarious creatures, and I believe Charles Fort and AL Bender came to the same conclusion:  we're being jerked with.

The rub is how to know if Mothman, Chupacabras, BigFoot, black shadow people,  etc are really real, or are holographic projections into the 3D realm -- to entertain or otherwise mess with us. We can't touch them, catch them.... may not be real.

PS: update:  John Keel's book is called Mysterious Beings. see chapter 24.

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