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Auendove..............funny how even insects can be kind of cool, huh?   smile   When reading your story I realized that when insects display traits of sentience and curiosity, they suddenly don't seem so bad.  It's when they scurry / fly about being their usual obvlivious selves that they suddenly seem gross and creepy.  Flint sounded cool!   big_smile

I've even seen something similar with a PALMETTO bugs of all things.  One night I was sitting outside sipping my tea on the flower bed ledge outside my apartment and glanced down to see a Palmetto which had crawled next to me and was just sitting there next to me, calmly, like "Hello!   Here I am!"  big_smile   

I jumped up like "AHHH!" due to reflex reaction, which scared the Palmetto, and he jumped (recoiled)  and ran away!   I actually felt bad!   I was thinking, Sorry!    I have a mixed reaction to Palmettos.  I think they're just absolutely the grossest looking things.  Just nasty.   Yet I still feel bad about killing them. 

My dad taught me to not kill insects and spiders (ESPECIALLY spiders) and to just capture them and let them go if possible.   I've taken that into adulthood.    Except when it comes to mosquitos.  wink   I'll bitch slap them right off my arms and legs!  (haha!  see what you started Montalk, you and your funny bitch slap comment first thing this morning. smile  )  Although even when dealing with mosquitos I feel bad about killing them too because I realize they're just doing what they need to do.  They can't help it.   Nothing personal.   Two weeks ago we found a HUGE honkin' spider just trapsing along across the wall in my apartment.  It was the size of a quarter, and had a thick body, it wasn't something thin and graceful.   Captured that and let it go outside.   Spiders actually have hearts, which most people don't realize.   They have hearts and pump blood.  They're not insects, and shouldn't be treated as such.   They're very necessary for the environment and so I don't kill them.   Even if they weren't necessary for the environment somehow it just seems cruel and disgusting to smash an insect / critter for no apparant reason.  One minute it's alive and fine and life is good.  Who are we to smash it and give it such a traumatic, painful and sudden end?   Let something else be responsible for that - a bird, a cat, whatever - but not me.   

Although......there are these nasty black fly bug things that we have here which I kill in a second because they bite and leave big welt looking things on me.  I don't know what the hell these things are.....They're like a combination between a black cricket with its long cricket legs bent at the "knee", but they fly / hop around.    ?!?!   And they bite.   Auendove, have you ever seen these things on your side of Florida?  I looked them up in a Florida regional insect book but they weren't in there.   Just curious what they are.   

So I guess if it bites / stings or acts malicious without provocation......I kill it.  But I still always feel a little bad.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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47 (edited by Auendove 2004-08-20 07:22:07)

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lyra,

ROTFLMAO!  Why does the term bitch-slap make us laugh so hard!  Too funny Sister!

Yeah, Flint was a cool dude!  Silly I know, but I still kinda miss him... am I strange or what? roll big_smile roll

About that "nasty black fly bug thing", unh-uh, not seen one of those, I don't even remember seeing one when I lived down in Hollywood by where you're at. Sounds like some kind of mutant bug agent. LOL!  At first I was wondering if you were talking about those toxic Deer Flies, which will raise a welt on me for at least a week (have to take Benydryl, or go insane for the itching and pain), but they look nothing like you've described.

Have you ever had a Palmetto crawl across your face while you're asleep?  Creepy, creepy, creepy. This happened to me within the first week I moved to FL, I wondered about the wisdom of my move. We don't see too many Palmetto bugs my way.  For those that don't know what a Palmetto bug is, they're like cockroaches... except they can fly too, and they're bigger.

I'm of the mind that FL was created for bugs, and that humans just don't belong here.  Of course much of FL has been cleared for human habitation which takes away the bugs' homes, it's no wonder we get bit up around here... whose to say were the only species that knows to retaliate? 

I love the spiders too... haven't killed one for years, but I did get bit by a Brown Recluse once and ended up in the ER.  Wouldn't care to repeat that experience, made me pretty sick.  If I saw one I would surely run in the opposite direction howling for help like I'd come across a monster. Pathetic, huh?  Some warrior I am. LOL!

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Here in Arkansas we have lots of bugs neither of you would care to get friendly with. My least favorite are the fleas, but there are these tiny, tiny black knats that just around dusk they come out and bite the holy blankity blank out of you. Enough to make the most avid outdoors lover find the nearest motel! Also, we have wolf spiders, terantulas (sp?), black widows, and brown recluses, but none send you running for shelter as the horse fly. WHAP! Blood sucking turds. Nothing like a horse fly dive bombing you when out for a jog. Running all around to get away and swinging the ball cap to hopefully knock the crap out of it. They are viscious and as big as grapes sometimes! Double WHAP! Did you know mosquitoes not only have a very short life span, but supposedly only feed (until full) once and mate once? Brown recluses are actually quite friendly, too. Palulukon and I once came across a recluse taking shelter under the heater in the bathroom. We both got low to the floor to get a closer look and appreciate it's chocolate brown beauty and the spider perked it's head and came a bit closer to inspect us! It was is obvious to us it was not going to attack, but we weren't quite comfortable enough for actual contact. It got pretty close. That is cool to know they have hearts. I have never been bit and they live all around us. They also eat cockroaches, FYI. The copperheads are pretty interesting, too.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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thook wrote:

but none send you running for shelter as the horse fly. WHAP! Blood sucking turds. Nothing like a horse fly dive bombing you when out for a jog. Running all around to get away and swinging the ball cap to hopefully knock the crap out of it. They are viscious and as big as grapes sometimes! Double WHAP!

Oh my dear Green Goddess on a Ritz Cracker... I've just laughed my arse off!

Dude! You're sooo funny!  "Blood sucking turds", too, too funny. They sound the same like the Deer Flies.

I can't go to parks in the summer here in FL.  I can be with a group of people and I'm the one running down the road waving my hands around my head like a lunatic, screaming bloody murder cause the no-seeums, the little black knats you talk about, are all over me like white on rice... I must smell yummy!  They tell me it's like a cloud of the little buggers swarming around me... and they don't bother anyone else.. just me... lucky me. roll I've come home before with as many as 30-50 no-seeum bites on my exposed flesh, and on my scalp.  And itch miserably?  KWAP!

On the Brown Recluse... I was at a friends house and my son and I spent the night.  My friend had gotten me a sleeping bag out of the closet to sleep in.  Well, I wasn't the only one sleeping in there, and I wasn't welcomed.  When I went to the ER the Doc asked me what bit me, said I didn't know, and he said it looked like a BR bite.  I talked to my friend a few days later who told me when she shook out the sleeping bag a BR came flying out.  No doubt the spider felt threatened, and that's why I got bit.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Stuart Wilde's latest on animals and their souls and their evolution, sort of a follow up companion piece to his other article, "The Spiritual Evolution of Animals."   Thought I'd pass it along:


"The Souls of Animals"
http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_ … nimals.htm

Enjoy!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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do you think that maybe 3d souls (us) will shift up into a 4d earth, while 2d souls (animals) will shift up into a 3d earth ? and theoritically, we could be living on the same planet but not able to see each other's realities or dimensions ?

just a wierd thought.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

zonabi wrote:

do you think that maybe 3d souls (us) will shift up into a 4d earth, while 2d souls (animals) will shift up into a 3d earth ? and theoritically, we could be living on the same planet but not able to see each other's realities or dimensions ?

just a wierd thought.


It's not weird at all.  smile  They are evolving, we can tell that much.  Stuart Wilde believes, and also the Ra Material, C's Material, Seth Material and Bringers of the Dawn all say, that the more that animals are in contact with friendly humans the more they individualize and evolve.   We can test this for ourselves and see it happening -  those of us who are pet owners can look at our pets and see the VAST difference between them and other animals such as strays and ferral animals who are out their on their own or in animals packs.  There's such a HUGE difference.   Pets become like little people and begin taking on people traits and emotions.   This is in itself a form of evolution.   Once this happens and they begin breaking from the (supposed) group soul, there can be no going back.  At worst a being can stagnate, but they can never regress, only progress.    And this goes for "non-cuddly" pets as well, ones that you would think wouldn't be affected by humans, like lizards for example.  I've known quite a few iguana owners who can attest to what happens when an iguana is babied and coddled long enough by a human.  All that energy and attention and love does actually affect even a cold blooded "primitive" lizard.    It's amazing.  They begin seeking out the attention and affection, desiring more.  Then an individual personality starts shining through, complete with quirks and emotions.   Yes, even a lizard!  big_smile 

Taking this a step futher, once an animal has spent considerable time around humans, in one or many more lifetimes, we can theorize that they would naturally outgrow the limitations of 2nd density.  There's only so high one can go in 2D.   When an animal is around 3rd density beings for long enough and begins emulating them and straining their brains to understand them, they're moving in that direction.  And yup, just like many humans are moving towards 4th.   It's the natural cycle of things.   Onward and upward.  smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Here is a link to a cool little online book that I found that relates to zonabi's question. The writing style reminds me of Monroe's, although it could have used a little editing in places. Still, interesting reading:

http://www.newgaia.com/tshaman/book/book.html

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

54 (edited by Auendove 2004-11-14 20:02:52)

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THE COOLEST THING HAPPENED TO ME TODAY!!!

There is no emoticon appropriate enough to express my glee!... but I'll say "Yipee!" to suffice.

Today in FL we've been experiencing our first Nor' Easterly of the season. They say it's comin' off the Great Lakes. Shoo-whee! I was on Hwy 19 earlier doing about 55 mph and got hit with a gust... talk about knowin' you're alive and uplifted! But that's not the coolest thing... smile

I was driving to the grocery at about 30 mph, and all of the sudden this HUGE Hawk swept down right in front of my windshield, must've been within 8 ft., at the most, when it pulled down in front of me. It filled my windsheild it was so close and so big!

My, my, my, but this was an old one, it was so close I could see its age on its feathers... it was thatthered.

My foot came off the gas and I nearly lost my breath because the Hawk came so close to my truck... it was a moment. The Hawk, I'm tellin' ya true, glanced back at the direction of the truck and "put on the winged gas". so to speak. Whoa! And I had been doing 30 mph!

As well, I was within another 15-20 ft. of a Stop sign. I came to a stop so chuckling, and my heart was pitter-pattering!

And then I thought about the Yeats poem Sacred Animals I posted on the "Not my words..." thread.

Heeheehee... this is only a part of how enlightening this day has been.

big_smile

My mate comes home tomorrow after being gone for two weeks, we're going to the beach tomorrow, flying kites and picnicking, and then we're going to the Rainbow River Tues. to kayak and commune with the best nature FL has to offer... I'm going to get to hook up with my "oak tree friend" after a long time of seperation, seperation mostly due to hurricanes... I've been ever so mindful for weeks and weeks as to how the Oak survived and how the river may have changed. It's not a big one, the oak, and right on a small bluff. The tree could be way more under water than before.

I will be doing some "Tree Whispering" for sure while I'm there, no matter the water level... and I'll be wild.

Here's a little "Maeve" energy prose... Yeats is inspiring for sure--

Will the birds stir when I whisper?
Will the 'gators float by my soft-sided vessel
A blinded eye to my vulnerability?

And will the sun and the moon
Shine on my face at once
Beathing creation into my hands
Yet again?

big_smile

zonabi wrote:

do you think that maybe 3d souls (us) will shift up into a 4d earth, while 2d souls (animals) will shift up into a 3d earth ? and theoritically, we could be living on the same planet but not able to see each other's realities or dimensions ?

Yeah, I think maybe this will be one aspect of it... I say this this way because I don't know how many times I've said, "I think the animals know more about us than do we." Many with pets and those who go into nature have expressed agreeance with me because they see the same as well.

Sharing a home with Iguanas has been an eye-opening experience into 2D and 4D Reptilians, and how I deal with all of that "misgiving", to say the least wink. Believe you me, getting the Iggys was not my idea, but I'd venture to say it's one of the best things that ever happened to me when it comes to facing my fears.

When it comes down to it... we're all "animals" here in 3D Land, we just have differring freqencies of potential outcome.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

55 (edited by lyra 2004-11-15 07:16:13)

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Auendove wrote:

Today in FL we've been experiencing our first Nor' Easterly of the season. They say it's comin' off the Great Lakes. Shoo-whee! I was on Hwy 19 earlier doing about 55 mph and got hit with a gust... talk about knowin' you're alive and uplifted! But that's not the coolest thing... smile

I am missing the Florida climate right about now, let me tell you.  This morning I had to warm up my car and scrape ice off my windshield in order to go to work. sad   sad  I couldn't get the windshield totally clean and had to pull my car over twice because I just couldn't see.  sad   I'm picturing Fort Lauderdale the last time I saw it, hot and sunny, the gleaming downtown office buildings against a piercing blue cloudless sky, bright green palm trees.  (and lines at the gas stations out into the street because of the approaching hurricane....but never mind that!!!)   And it was HOT.  The hottest place I've ever lived.  I don't want that much heat ......but a little bit of heat would be nice!!  A palm frond or two!   sigh.  But that is the image of Fort Lauderdale that sticks out in my mind, it was the day we left and I was running around getting stuff done before we hit the road with the evacuees. 

Anyway, I digress.  Sorry.  I read your thing about the weather in Florida and I started to miss it and have a flashback.  I'm okay now..........hehe

I do wonder though what was up with the hawk swooping your truck??   You know over on the Goro forum somebody mentioned the strange proliferation of certain animals and odd animal behavior in general, and hawks were mentioned, at the top of the list.  I thought that was interesting and remembered it as I read your account.


Aunendove wrote:

we're going to the beach tomorrow, flying kites and picnicking, and then we're going to the Rainbow River Tues. to kayak and commune with the best nature FL has to offer... I'm going to get to hook up with my "oak tree friend" after a long time of seperation, seperation mostly due to hurricanes... I've been ever so mindful for weeks and weeks as to how the Oak survived and how the river may have changed. It's not a big one, the oak, and right on a small bluff. The tree could be way more under water than before.

Sounds like fun!   Wish I could be there!  I will live vicariously through your account.  big_smile  Say hi to the Oak for me on Tuesday and when you're there on the beach, give a little thought to us refugees who had to leave Florida but wish we could be there on the beach too.   (God, I swear, I almost got in my car a couple of days ago and hit the road for Florida, for a short visit.  It's going to take some adjusting for me to get used to winter again after not having any for so long....)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Okay, this isn't about an animal's spiritual evolution per se, but it is a cool animal story.  smile

"Disabled dolphin jumping again with world's first artificial fin"
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … 1118170710


TOKYO (AFP) - Fuji, a mother dolphin that lost 75 percent of her tail due to a mysterious disease, is jumping once again with the help of what is believed to be the world's first artificial fin.

The 34-year-old dolphin held at Japan's largest aquarium in the southern island of Okinawa wears the rubber fin for about 20 minutes a day allowing her to jump and to swim at the same speed of other dolphins.

"We are very grateful. Although she can swim without the artificial fin, the speed is very slow and she certainly cannot jump without it," said Masaya Kowami, a breeder at Okinawa Churaumi Aquarium.

"Visitors have told us she looks happy," he said.

Fuji initially rejected the artificial fin, which in its current version weighs two kilograms (4.4 pounds) with a width of 48 centimeters (20 inches).

The breeders decided not to keep Fuji's fin on all day fearing that it may fall off and be eaten or destroyed by other dolphins.

Fuji was stricken by a mysterious disease causing necrosis - the death of cells - in 2002. To save her life, veterinarians had to amputate three-quarters of her tail with an electronic surgical knife.

"Her physical mobility fell sharply after the amputation. She got tired easily as we often saw her resting," Kowami said.

Weeks after the surgery, a veterinarian at the aquarium asked his friend at Bridgestone, Japan's largest tiremaker, for help.

"The most difficult part was creating the smooth texture of rubber so as not to scratch a dolphin's skin," said Bridgestone spokesman Shinichi Kobori.

Bridgestone began working on the fin in 2003, but several samples were either too heavy or loose for Fuji, which is 271 centimeters (nine feet) long and weighs 227 kilograms (500 pounds).

"Only after we created the lightest fin in August 2004, we received a call from the aquarium that Fuji finally jumped," Kobori said.

The latest fin is kept in one piece by bolts. Kowami, the aquarium worker, said putting on the artificial fin was anything but easy.

"When she saw the artificial fin for the first time, she ran away. She was so scared of the object. It took us five months to make her get used to the artificial fin. Now she is perfectly fine with it," he said.

Bridgestone said the artificial fin was given to the aquarium for free, but that it cost the company about 10 million yen (95,000 dollars).

The company has yet to receive any request for an artificial fin or leg for other animals but spokesman Kobori said Bridgestone is open to such requests.

"We make tires; we specialize in foots of sort. If we see offers, we will consider them," he said.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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57 (edited by Auendove 2004-11-18 14:48:09)

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Hi ya lyra and everybody!

Boy-oh-boy! This has been a busy week!

So we went to the beach Mon., Honeymoon Island, and flew kites... it was a great windy day! It never fails to amaze me that every single time we have kites up someone is taking pictures of them. I think every single person should have their own kite! smile

There were some way wicked HUGE, flattish, dark roiling clouds that were moving overhead but dropped no rain, they were teardrop shaped... they looked like the underneath of them was "boiling" with smaller black and gray clouds. Weird... they were spaced apart and came in lines and looked as such that one could even say it was an "army" of clouds "marching" into the gulf waters. It made me think of the song For Whom The Bell Tolls... time marches on... on... on.... .

And the Rainbow River? On a Tuesday? We were almost the only ones on the river... except for that water cop that pulled us over! :x

There we were at the headsprings, kayak parked next to a grass bed, I was taking pictures of an Egret in a thicket of pink flowers (very pretty) and this cop comes motoring up in his boat and calls us over. roll We didn't have life-vests on board and were informed that could get us a $50 ticket... Thank our lucky stars we had our whistle or that would be another $50! It's a freaking class one river, DOH!, life-vests? roll I couldn't drown in that river if I tried.

He shared some of his vests with us in leiu of ticketing us... well that was nice!  Yeah, but still, we got Big Brother on the river too folks... what's this world comin' to?

So my poem came true, the birds stirred when I whispered, the 'gator didn't eat me (he even let me get close enough to take pictures! ... about a 5 footer it was!), and the moon and the sun we in the sky together. Pretty darn close together actually, it was cool looking.

But the best thing of all? Get a load of this! I had been looking for hawks, but hadn't seen any until we were heading back down river and I happened to turn around in the boat and look behind me, and sure enough there was hawk perched on a limb right behind us! I never would've known if I hadn't of turned around... lucky, huh?

We were able to pull the boat in much closer without fretting the hawk, and we all sat there for quite awhile. This hawk and me were eye to eye for quite a spell! We were soooo close I could've touched this hawk with my oar if I'd been an idiot. My man-critter says he thought it was a Harris Hawk, I just thought it was beautiful. It's face had a softer look to it than other hawks, it didn't look as intense as hawks can look. And talons? Woo-hoo! It's a good thing I'm not a mouse! Eeekk!

Eventually we went back to the oak tree down river, hung out for awhile, found out it was only 2 PM and decided to paddle back up river. I'll be darned if that hawk wasn't still there! Again, we sat there for awhile, looking at each other, and then we pushed off to leave. After we'd paddled for a minute the hawk came swooping over the top of the water past us and then zoom-zoomed, and I mean went zooming, into the the forest BANKING off of trees like in a really tight maze (Edit--or more to the point a pinball in a machine)! I saw it bank, with such amazing precision, off three different trees and then disappear. My mate and I both said "WHOA!!!" at the same time! big_smile

Because there were hardly any people on the river it was the best day I've ever had there.

As well, there certainly were signs of the hurricanes have taken their tolls. There was one big waterside oak that had been blown over, it's root ball must've been 15 X 10 ft.... it was huge! As well, the water level was up by 6 ft.! There's much more river there now!

lyra wrote:

(God, I swear, I almost got in my car a couple of days ago and hit the road for Florida, for a short visit.  It's going to take some adjusting for me to get used to winter again after not having any for so long....)

You come visit anytime... me and the river are still here smile.

FL weather? Heeheehee... I'm feelin' so naughty wink

... it was 82 degrees today, no humidity, soft breeze... it has been simply marvelous even for Nov., it's usually not as perfect as it has been.... and lyra, we'll talk next August and see who's whining about weather then... while my roof may be blowin' away! smile

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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To those who believe in the "blood type" diet, check out this:

Blood Type Diet: Fact of Fiction?
http://www.earthsave.org/health/bloodtyp.htm

Also, take a look at the health section in that site and in this one: http://www.veganhealth.org/ for more information on issues like soy, iron, protein combining and so on.

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Kaybal wrote:

To those who believe in the "blood type" diet, check out this:

Blood Type Diet: Fact of Fiction?
http://www.earthsave.org/health/bloodtyp.htm

Also, take a look at the health section in that site and in this one: http://www.veganhealth.org/ for more information on issues like soy, iron, protein combining and so on.


Thanks for the links, Kaybal.  I had never actually read the "Eat Right For Your Type" book, I'd just come across references to blood type diets on the 'net.   For me, I have my own personal proof that I do need meat in my diet, so it's not based on that book.  I can't say for certain if it's because I'm O+ blood or not, but if I don't even meat I get weak, lethargic and can't think straight.  And I get the HUGE cravings for meat.  And if I go too long without protein I begin to intensly crave beef.  Medium rare hamburgers mostly.  There's something in beef /red meat that's not in poultry or fish which my body craves when my protein reserves dip too low. 

At any rate, I've found that adding black beans and brown (basmati) rice as a diet staple has helped alleviate my need for animal protein.  I can go weeks without meat in my diet and not get the cravings or the lethargy as long as I'm eating the beans and rice.   I didn't expect that actually when I first started eating it.  But I was pleasantly surprised to find this to be the case, which is why I highly recommend going that route to anybody here who is seriously looking to cut back or completely eliminate meat from their diets. 

As far as soy goes......I try to stay away from it.  That stuff scares me.  wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I see from your signature, Miss Lyra, that you are now converted to the Bill Hicks School of Philosophy. Good call! smile

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe