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no, thats cool nexus.  i was waiting for ur comments and knew u'd be on here.  but not necessarily on wilcock.  now, i still dont watch the videos.  havent seen but a one or 2 in yrs.  only watched one from our links thread from those rose uk ppl a few ago.  have never watched a david wilcock video, or as i said, any.  old bessie cant do 'er.  (i have new stuff still in the box, wifi, new screen, bitching new tower,  but cant set it up, as if something goes wrong, ill be psychotic--even tho i say ive made progress!! haha).  BUT i do find his WORDS, writings, good to go.  they feel right.  my take on him goes almost opposite now of what it WAS, since ive been reading him, and everybody i can get my hands on, for yrs.  yrs ago, when he was hanging with Wynn Free, and on the net with much of his stuff, i was not impressed.  as a matter of fact, i would ignore and skip over him and it.  t its different now and in fact, i find him to be one of the few ppl that seem to really know about ascension.  the love and lighters are messed up.  because they leave out alotand thats not acceptable.  i READ EVERYBODY and out of the few that see it as a realm border crossing, a shift, a wave, besides the C's and RA, HE is the most scientifically, or "metaphysically technical" comparatively.  more later gotta go, at work now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Zenden, I would love to be where you are so I could have a look-see at your hands.  I am absolutely fascinated by the blueprints we each carry on our hands.  Also, I'm into handwriting analysis, for that is also very telling of a personality.  I believe hand analysis is the most concrete, scientific way of determining someone's health, psychology, attitude and purpose in life.  Way better than even using the pendulum or tarot or rune stones. Those somewhat depend on the astral realm, except the pen when you are very specific.  But man, those blueprints DO NOT lie!  Last night, I was able to do my first real analysis of someone's hand other than mine. A friend came over and I read his hands and it was all right there. It's a long story, you might not care to hear. But man was his blueprint spot on.  The weirdest part is how he is ambidextrious (sp?) and how it fits his situation.

Nexus and Antaeus--I see your points and appreciate all views. Please do not think that I'm some punk trying to get a free ride out of our situation without the work. You do not know me personally, so you cannot see or know that I have indeed done my work, many times over.  Been there, done that over and over.  I was a temple priestess right along with zenden way back when, and in this life also paid my dues in that field.  I have been through enough pain to make me more compassionate than a human should be.  I am aware that it takes spiritual work and all that jazz. No problem there...

Indeed, I don't think everyone on NR is ready to climb the ladder. They may need to come back for whatever reason (unless this place gets busted up, that is).  I'll tell you one sure way to know if you are ready.  Look at your hands.  Look very closely for lines that form a ladder. There will be two upright lines connected by rungs in the horizontal position.  It takes some searching, especially if you have lots of lines on your hand. Make sure you're looking at the dominant hand, although my ladder is on both hands, and so was my friends' ladders.  However, one of his ladders was descending and the other was regular. He was forced to be right handed when he was raised, and that is the hand with the descending ladder. Go figure...

But anyway, you have to look closely. A ladder is usually formed by your life line and you fate line as the two vertical poles and then there will be at least 3 or 4 horizontal rungs connecting the two.  My ladder is a pagoda, which is supposedly more evolved than the jacob's ladder.  Its base is wider than the top.

I'm willing to bet that most people reading this thread have a ladder on their hands. If you are a warrior, you will also have a shield with a cross somewhere on your hand.  I think those folks here are ready or they wouldn't be here.  I wouldn't be talking about this subject with just anyone.  Most are not ready to leave the wheel.

I've read the divine cosmos. It was pretty mathematical, and I'm not into numbers much, but I could follow along alright.  I also think he takes too much stock in the Ra material. I question everything, so I guess I expect others to do the same.

Still have so much more in my head that I'm trying to straighten out.  Why do I keep thinking there is even more to all of this than what it seems?  Like the puzzle is even bigger? Geesh.  Okay, I'm off to pj's new thread to read and hopefully have time to respond.  It takes me forever just to do one post.  Uggh..

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Hi Seeking the Truth,

My reply to Antaeus earlier was all written in principle in answer to the questions he asked and the ones inherent in his comments (which i thought were general even though he bounced them off a point you raised.  Seemed to me like they were questions he'd been toying with for a while).  I didn't have you in mind at all while writing my reply to him.   In fact i almost responded to you before that to tell you your post was about the most lively and positive thing i've read from you in a while.  Unless i've missed something from you lately it seemed to me to be a turning point in the way you see everything... that is ... the passion was there.   You seem less burdened and more prepared for movement... moving toward an irresistable force, rather than gripping your own bootstraps the way you have at times just to survive the onslaught of life's buffeting.   The 'within' is finding a way out of the suffering and that is good to see.  Suffering points neither to the lack nor the mettle of a soul.   But one can prove one's mettle through it if that is what life is presenting.  Carry on soldier.

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Not to sound like I'm picking on Seeking the Truth, but I have to ask - how come so many of the people who are into these subjects always claim to have been "Temple Priestesses" in their past lives?  !!   

I'm proud to say that I was an average schmoe in my past life.  smile  A dirt poor average nobody schmoe in the deep south who died an untimely death.   And before that, it was more average schmoe lives from what I get.  But then we get to Egypt, where I apparently abused my power....which is certainly more interesting than just being some average schmoe, but it's nowhere along the lines of being some regal high-end noble "temple priestess."  It's just some Egyptian schmoe wielding their power in the wrong way.   Which probably led to all the average schmoe lives that came after with untimely deaths. 

Let's hear it for schmoes!

ahem, sorry, back to our regularly scheduled program......

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

Let's hear it for schmoes!

ahem, sorry, back to our regularly scheduled program......

Yes, your NR High Priestess, I bow to your Greatness and poise, but I get a kick out your schmoes business; big_smile  I love to dine on them schmoes when I go camping, too!  I thought what kept High Priestesses out of the Kingdom was due to the misfortune of bumping their lofty heads when they attempted to go through the Eye of the Needle?  wink


j/k

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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Hear!  Hear!  The only vivid memory I ever had put me back in the days of Troy.  Sinew and endurance with leather shorts and a shirt with metal mesh covering it.  I should have slapped both Hector and Achilles, rode off with Hellen and played among the stars, and seen what spring looks like on Jupiter and Mars. 

Nexus is correct, I was just bouncing around the same idea's, and I thought I was picking on Zenden, if you want to call it that.  I'm quite sure that I'm ill equipped to engage her in a battle of wits.  Zenden reminded me of...

Moksha
(Sanskrit) This word comes from moksh, meaning "to release," "to set free," and is probably a desiderative of the root much, from which the word mukti also comes. The meaning of this word is that when a spirit, a monad, or a spiritual radical, has so grown in evolution that it has first become a man, and is set free interiorly, inwardly, and from a man has become a planetary spirit or dhyan-chohan or lord of meditation, and has gone still higher, to become interiorly a Brahman, and from a Brahman the Parabrahman for its hierarchy, then it is absolutely perfected, relatively speaking, free, released -- perfected for that great period of time which to us seems almost an eternity so long is it, virtually incomputable by the human intellect. Now this also is the real meaning of the much abused word Absolute (q.v.), limited in comparison with things still more immense, still more sublime; but so far as we can think of it, released or freed from the chains or bonds of material existence. One who is thus released or freed is called a jivanmukta. (See also Nirvana)

Seeking the Truth, I only pick on people after I've had at least a few interractions with them.  Often I want to pick on Lyra, but fear and common sense stops me.:)  She strikes me as a force of Nature.  I've been watching Scrubs a lot and saw a scene where the head nurse, Carla is angry at JD and an intence ray of heat emanates from her her mouth and JD's face melts off in layers leaving only his skull bone.  It was gross, but it also had me rolling in laughter.  That was cool what you wrote about the ladder on the palm.  Mine is wider at the bottom.  It has only one line situation directly under the flip the bird finger.  I don't know the designation for the longest finger, the one next to the index finger, or finger that you point with.  I know someone might be tempted to say, "longest finger, maybe"?  Dont' do it, I'm warning you.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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You have to believe in the impossible in order to become.

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just a quickie u guys.  u guys KILL me!!!!!   god how i so adore NR.  long story on the temple priestess thing.  it has themes.  my mother was one, my sis was one.  weve been drawn to it and to talking about it to clear stuff up in the now.  from understanding it.  the point is we were co-operating with magic and shit we didnt know shit about.  we were made to SERVICE men and we got into it and women too.  it was used in practice to enlighten, mold, unfold kundalini, reach astral plans, all the crap.  and actually to trap unless one saw their way out of it by being in it.  made to do 'service'....using the ultimate intimacy for the temple.  in every sense of the word temple and service.  beauty, art, culture was wrapped in it.   it was actual devotion embodied in matter. using the wiles, the genitalia, the power for worship of the gods.  the priests were the pimps.  talk about service and service cycles.  wow--it was all there.  what i found that was the trouble was the sex addiction some got from that and how that worked.  apparently, and i cannot say a ton on this here but im sure one/u guys can figure it out.  some never did "make it out."  they just kept servicing and never 'graduated' from that wheel.  thats the problem i found in family dynamics and with women i love in my family and all around me.  i have a dear new friend now struggling with it.  real powerful female.  got all the great components, but still USING men for what they can do for her and for her situation.  tied in to money, esteem, self-worth.  power.  feeling betrayed and disappointed constantly when using that power, that will result most of the time, with LOW expectations.  the men arent in that temple anymore leaving money, treats, etc.  but those same women are still looking for the prizes.  LOVE in all the wrong places and hey, im one who still thinks one night stands can lead to true love and real ecstasy.  what the hell.   

the deal is these women are trained individuals in the arts.  damn "good" at it.  nothing 'wrong' with it its just that theyve laid down their spears, their warrior powers, and have given away their strengths.   for some kind of temple award that never comes.  rising up thru the whore ranks.  surrounded by memories that they just cant get clear on.  usually, since one man can never be enuf, when so damn trained.  nothing seems to get done or re-arranged unless pants are off.  all those damn hormones constantly raging.  theyre real 'artists' and thats their trade.  hard to quiet them down.  i better quit this here.  it could go on for days.  there seems to be an emptiness with it tho.  and the real deal is they wish to be the one whorshipped.  and it never works out.  the men move on and theyre left on the hunt.  almost an insatiability.  (im only this ANGLE of it to explain here for just a minute.  in another mood, id be on a difft angle of it.  it has quite a few angles i must say).  these babes refuse to come back as schmoes, but have been a few times.  thats the whole POINT.  refusing to let those lives go and get on with it.  they end up being housewives sometimes, regular ppl, and even in the south!  but, the temple template plays on, since theyre not done with it.  married, got 3 kids, still thinking they MUST be in service mode.  still confused after all these yrs.  centuries.  hundreds of em.  they keep coming back to finish it out and CHOOSE to be back at it.  full of sorrow, guilt, fear, almost like theyre driven to seek.  have walls up, afraid of real intimacy from all the using.  lots of priestly/Fatherly confusion around those roles.  seek to be protected but fully exposed.   whats the lesson?  there's more than one.  one big one is quit being used.  old Berneice G. used to tell me all the time--and this aint nothing profound other than hearing it from her in 1976.  "what you resist, persists."   theres a terrible confusion with service and intimacy caught up in this.  and the guilt is unreal, NOW.  what they cant see or fail to realize is that there was a time and a place and a belief system for it and it fit.  now it doesnt anymore.  imagine all that goes into the finest acts of sexual intoxication, ecstasy, and the next morning, its 2008 and ur stuck with urself.  vicious cycle.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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I feel as if I have nothing left to learn here on earth, not sure I ever learned anything of importance, don't believe in the whole reincarnation deal anymore. I mean what is there to learn? Karma to me feels like an evil concept. The only thing I have "learned" per se is to follow my heart(but I already knew that from the beginning), info and knowledge are of no use if you don't, silent knowledge is the only thing I know.

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Seeking---If you want to read palms at a distance, have the person xerox
their hands and label them right and left.  Then have them xerox the edges
of their hands to get the lines on the edges.  Have them adjust the light/dark
adjustments to get the faint lines as well as the deep ones.  Then have them
mail the copies to you (along with a check!) and you'll be remotely reading!

Now, for those who were looking for a definition of PASSION, read the posts
of The Mighty Zenden.  (meet me at the temple at midnight, babe, I'll bring
wine and cigarettes)

And Antaeus, since you like to refer to Nirvana a lot, here is the real definition thereof:

The Yellow School  of Magic considers the Universe not as neutral, but as definitely a curse. Its primary theorem is the "First Noble Truth" of the Buddha– "Everything is Sorrow."  In the primitive classics of this School the idea of sorrow is confused with that of sin.   
The analysis of the philosophers of this School refers every phenomenon to the category of sorrow.  It is quite useless to point out to them that certain events are accompanied with joy: they continue their ruthless calculations, and prove to your satisfaction, or rather dissatisfaction, that the more apparently pleasant an event is, the more malignantly deceptive is its fascination.  There is only one way of escape even conceivable, and this way is quite simple, annihilation. (Shallow critics of Buddhism have wasted a great deal of stupid ingenuity on trying to make out that Nirvana means something different from what etymology, tradition and the evidence of the Classics combine to define it.  The word means, quite simply, cessation: and it stands to reason that, if everything is sorrow, the only thing which is not sorrow is nothing, and that therefore to escape from sorrow is the attainment of nothingness.)    ---Aliester Crowley

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Hey Tom paine!  Thanks for the suggestion. I was just thinking about that last night, wondering if I could 'scan' my hand.  I'll have to try that today.  Barring that, I think it would be just as easy to use finger paint to make a print, and of course have them outline it.  It is much easier to do in person, but it's feasible remotely.  I was thinking of making the offer in a new thread... Great minds think alike. smile

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lyra wrote:

Not to sound like I'm picking on Seeking the Truth, but I have to ask - how come so many of the people who are into these subjects always claim to have been "Temple Priestesses" in their past lives?  !!

Well, I know I’ve only been here for a year, and I certainly haven’t read all the posts—but I don’t really remember seeing “so many people” claiming this.  Only one.  And I can’t say with 100% certainty that I filled the same role as zenden since I haven’t had a PLR to ‘prove’ this, but my insides/intuition tell me that I was right along side of her doing the same service-to-others…maybe even for you….


lyra wrote:

But then we get to Egypt, where I apparently abused my power....which is certainly more interesting than just being some average schmoe, but it's nowhere along the lines of being some regal high-end noble "temple priestess." It's just some Egyptian schmoe wielding their power in the wrong way.

You surely realize that “temple priestess” is just a really polite way of saying “prostitute”, right? Since when does being a prostitute equal being “some high-end noble” person?  The pimps (the ones that abused their power) were the “noble” and all-powerful ones, and the temple priestesses were the ones to service them.  Sure we carried a lot of power, but that just scared the pimps, so we didn’t use it as much, or we kept it hidden.  I don’t know, maybe I ought to go back and read zen’s thread about ‘whoreship’; perhaps I missed something. 

I’m not proud of my past, but I won’t be ashamed either.  The only reason I brought it up was as a way of showing that I’ve done my time and served in service throughout all lifetimes (however that works). I wasn’t bragging, believe me, but I was pointing to the fact that—even in this lifetime—I’ve paid my dues and have earned my ticket out of this place—my ladder, if you will.  I did not take pleasure in those roles.  I feel that (at least this time) I was forced into the situation. I did not feel like nobility. I felt like trash. That’s when I started smoking—so that I could forget the pain. Unfortunately, it only lessened it.  Nothing can totally take that feeling away, besides a good dose of realization, acceptance, and forgiveness.

I’ve been on this wheel a long time, and I’ve probably been an “average schmoe” more times than not, but always with the school of service as my blueprint. Also a thief, a beggar, a rapist, a charmer, a wife-beater, a power-abusing pimp, and all those other ‘titles’ that one accumulates here at the school of “earth”.  Those are all possible, but I can’t say for certain what all I’ve been and done because I haven’t had a lot of past-life work, besides the one where I was in the civil war, and my son (my firstborn in this life—not my little one) shot me in the head out of jealousy.  Just another soldier, fighting someone else’s war.

lyra wrote:

Let's hear it for schmoes!

Right on!!  Thank goodness for those joe-schmoe, lame lifetimes we’ve had! We need a rest from the other, more exciting lives, don’t we?

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Antaeus wrote:

Seeking the Truth, I only pick on people after I've had at least a few interractions with them.  Often I want to pick on Lyra, but fear and common sense stops me.  She strikes me as a force of Nature.  I've been watching Scrubs a lot and saw a scene where the head nurse, Carla is angry at JD and an intence ray of heat emanates from her her mouth and JD's face melts off in layers leaving only his skull bone.  It was gross, but it also had me rolling in laughter.  That was cool what you wrote about the ladder on the palm.  Mine is wider at the bottom.  It has only one line situation directly under the flip the bird finger.  I don't know the designation for the longest finger, the one next to the index finger, or finger that you point with.  I know someone might be tempted to say, "longest finger, maybe"?  Dont' do it, I'm warning you.

LOL!!!   Thanks for the laugh!  I needed one.

The middle finger is called the Saturn finger in palmistry, and yes it is the longest one.  tongue  A line that runs vertically up the palm, in the direction of Saturn, is called the Fate line, or the Career line.  Not everyone has one, but it’s a good line to have. Without one, a person is totally aimless in life and has no direction. 

It sounds like you carry the pagoda in your blueprint. One side of mine is also formed by my fate line, and the other line grows out of my life line (which starts on the thumb—radial—side of the palm and curves down to the wrist, hugging the Mount of Venus {the fleshy area under your thumb}).  That’s usually the formation, though a ladder can also be formed by the fate line and the Apollo (or Sun or Success) line, which is a line that resides under the Apollo finger (the ring finger).  Pretty interesting, eh? I love this area of study.


  I have a theory about our blueprints (a.k.a. hand print). I theorize that your blueprint gets carried with you from one life to another.  I think it’s your soul/spirit/energy blueprint, and I think that the whole business of ‘no two fingerprints ever being the same’ might be wrong--in a sense.  Last night I had the realization that—just like us—our palm/fingerprints get recycled as well. They come with us.  So I’ve carried this same map with me through each lifetime. Maybe it’s not identical, but I think the differences are negligible, like the difference between not having a ladder in the last life, but having one in this life.  The minor lines can and do change throughout just one lifetime, but the major lines (flexion) and the dermatoglyphs (epidermal ridges on the fingers and on the palm) stay the same.  Now of course I can’t prove this yet, and I may not have enough “time” to prove it in this life, but I do believe that I’ve found my passion (though I don’t know how I’d make money at it…).  There is definitely a connection here.  BIG fat connection…

So, to see if you’re in the “school of service”, check your fingerprints.  If you have 4 or more whorls on your tips, you are in service (or servitude).  A whorl print can be either a concentric whorl pattern or a spiral or shell pattern. The first is formed first by a small circle in the center that has many concentric circles emanating out from the center circle.  If it is a shell whorl, then it will look like someone started engraving in the center and just spiraled out from there in a whorl pattern.    This is my school.  I have 6 whorl prints, in an unusual pattern, which makes me a pioneer in the school of service.  I’m willing to bet that several people here at NR are also in the same school.  I bet my buttons that zenden has this marking, as well as Nexus as many others.

From “Lifeprints” by Richard Unger:

School of Service

Objective:  To become a master of service consciousness
Requirement: Four fingerprints of the whorl category (three whorls is borderline)
Skill Needed: Knowing when to do and when not to do for others.

*True service comes from a desire to help others, not control them.
*It empowers both the giver and receiver.
*It feels good regardless of outcome.
*The activity itself is reward enough.


….the theme is central and unending. If this is your school, there is not one major incident in your life, not one key relationship, that does not at its core involve issues of service. It is your challenge to awaken to this part of yourself and, in doing so, learn its value as a compass on your life’s journey…

…On the road to service consciousness, you must experience all aspects of yourself that are not aligned with service. Your self-absorbed side (and its cost) becomes apparent, as does the inclination to misinterpret obligation for service.  In this way, all un-service-like components are brought to conscious awareness. The process of dealing with and learning from service errors ultimately reveals the unique true service that craves expression….

Most people here on “earth” are in the school of love, which requires 8 loops on the fingers (seven is borderline).  Very few are in the school of wisdom or peace. They are recognized by tented arches and arches, respectively. I am in the service school, borderlining on the school of wisdom. For both types of arches, it requires 2 prints to enter either school, and if you have one print, it is considered borderline.  Some people will be in more than one school.

There are many challenges facing us, whichever school we’re attending during our time here.  It’s good to finally know who I am and why I have been in servitude all my life.  No more!! Service, yes; servitude, no.

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/1014_abduct_midbeam.jpg

Oooooh, Ascension!

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Seeking the Truth wrote:

lyra wrote:

Not to sound like I'm picking on Seeking the Truth, but I have to ask - how come so many of the people who are into these subjects always claim to have been "Temple Priestesses" in their past lives?  !!

Well, I know I’ve only been here for a year, and I certainly haven’t read all the posts—but I don’t really remember seeing “so many people” claiming this.  Only one.

Well, who said that when I say "so many" that I'm only referring to NR?  There's a whole world out there, and yes, I've heard people in the new age circles, be it on other message board forums or in the real world, claiming to have been like, Atlantean temple priestesses, or high priestesses, and other such things.  Granted, I had no idea that it equated to prostitutes, and I'm not so sure they meant that either when they'd talk about it.  The way that others have made it sound it was as if they were the magical crystal keepers guarding the sacred keys of the mystical gates of Shangra La, or whatever sci-fi fantasy new age Atlantean lingo they use. wink  It seems to have a different connotation with you and zenden, but that's why I had to ask.  I was wondering if you meant the same thing that the others mean.  It seems not, so, that's why it's good to ask!


Seeking the Truth wrote:

And I can’t say with 100% certainty that I filled the same role as zenden since I haven’t had a PLR to ‘prove’ this, but my insides/intuition tell me that I was right along side of her doing the same service-to-others…maybe even for you….

I don't know about that.  The odds that you and I would have been in the same past life together is pretty astronomical......

Seeking the Truth wrote:

lyra wrote:

But then we get to Egypt, where I apparently abused my power....which is certainly more interesting than just being some average schmoe, but it's nowhere along the lines of being some regal high-end noble "temple priestess." It's just some Egyptian schmoe wielding their power in the wrong way.

You surely realize that “temple priestess” is just a really polite way of saying “prostitute”, right?

Nope, I didn't.  See above explanation of what others seem to mean when they talk about being High Priestesses (usually in like, Atlantis) etc......


Seeking the Truth wrote:

Since when does being a prostitute equal being “some high-end noble” person?  The pimps (the ones that abused their power) were the “noble” and all-powerful ones, and the temple priestesses were the ones to service them.  Sure we carried a lot of power, but that just scared the pimps, so we didn’t use it as much, or we kept it hidden.  I don’t know, maybe I ought to go back and read zen’s thread about ‘whoreship’; perhaps I missed something.

Sounds like you're reading a little too much into "abused my power."  wink  More assumptions?  Who said I was male?  My former very psychic boss buddy who gave me some insight into an Egyptian past life where I supposedly abused power nicknamed me "princess" for that reason.  Princess, as in, female.   He called me that not because of who I am in this life, but who I was in that life.   Not dude, or prince, or pimp.  Princess.  big_smile  Well, I thought it was cute anyway.....cough.  haha  Although, it's possible that I was male then, and he called me "princess" because he was worried that I might be freaked out by that.  You never know.  And maybe it was what you described.  My psychic female acquaintance told me I should try to connect with that incarnation, see what I can learn and glean from it.  Maybe it explains some of what's gone on in this life, including the MILABS stuff.  (my boss buddy said that this life was supposed to have been a clean slate for me, but I'm still beating myself up over stuff done in that other life, so, it ended up being quite the contrary of a clean slate.)  Anyway, your comments have given me something to ponder now.



Seeking the Truth wrote:

I’m not proud of my past, but I won’t be ashamed either.

Well, don't be too sure that was actually your past.  What if it wasn't?   A past life regression could be a good idea to verify once and for all, just to make sure that you're not taking on a role, or roles, that you may not have actually played.   Same for me.  I mean, my old boss buddy told me things, and I was also told something by a psychic woman acquaintance fairly recently about a life in Egypt, (it was only one comment mind you, and, not positive....gulp.....) but ultimately, until I get that PLR I probably shouldn't fully take on either one of their comments, about any of my lives. 



Seeking the Truth wrote:

The only reason I brought it up was as a way of showing that I’ve done my time and served in service throughout all lifetimes (however that works). I wasn’t bragging, believe me, but I was pointing to the fact that—even in this lifetime—I’ve paid my dues and have earned my ticket out of this place—my ladder, if you will.  I did not take pleasure in those roles.  I feel that (at least this time) I was forced into the situation. I did not feel like nobility. I felt like trash. That’s when I started smoking—so that I could forget the pain. Unfortunately, it only lessened it.  Nothing can totally take that feeling away, besides a good dose of realization, acceptance, and forgiveness.   I’ve been on this wheel a long time, and I’ve probably been an “average schmoe” more times than not, but always with the school of service as my blueprint. Also a thief, a beggar, a rapist, a charmer, a wife-beater, a power-abusing pimp, and all those other ‘titles’ that one accumulates here at the school of “earth”.  Those are all possible, but I can’t say for certain what all I’ve been and done because I haven’t had a lot of past-life work, besides the one where I was in the civil war, and my son (my firstborn in this life—not my little one) shot me in the head out of jealousy.  Just another soldier, fighting someone else’s war.

Well, you've definitely taken my comments waaaay more seriously than I ever intended.  I explained in my first response comment why I asked, and as  you can clearly see my post was light hearted and totally had a joking tone, something to end with a laugh, not any sort deep, serious sort of thing where guilt and shame is discussed, let alone insinuations on my end that you're supposedly bragging........I mean, where'd that come from?  Yikes.  !!   My post was just light hearted, that's all.  So......no worries!  Everything's cool.   Now, back to the thread..........

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

Tom Paine wrote:

Seeking---If you want to read palms at a distance, have the person xerox
their hands and label them right and left.  Then have them xerox the edges
of their hands to get the lines on the edges.  Have them adjust the light/dark
adjustments to get the faint lines as well as the deep ones.  Then have them
mail the copies to you (along with a check!) and you'll be remotely reading!

Now, for those who were looking for a definition of PASSION, read the posts
of The Mighty Zenden.  (meet me at the temple at midnight, babe, I'll bring
wine and cigarettes)

And Antaeus, since you like to refer to Nirvana a lot, here is the real definition thereof:

The Yellow School  of Magic considers the Universe not as neutral, but as definitely a curse. Its primary theorem is the "First Noble Truth" of the Buddha– "Everything is Sorrow."  In the primitive classics of this School the idea of sorrow is confused with that of sin.   
The analysis of the philosophers of this School refers every phenomenon to the category of sorrow.  It is quite useless to point out to them that certain events are accompanied with joy: they continue their ruthless calculations, and prove to your satisfaction, or rather dissatisfaction, that the more apparently pleasant an event is, the more malignantly deceptive is its fascination.  There is only one way of escape even conceivable, and this way is quite simple, annihilation. (Shallow critics of Buddhism have wasted a great deal of stupid ingenuity on trying to make out that Nirvana means something different from what etymology, tradition and the evidence of the Classics combine to define it.  The word means, quite simply, cessation: and it stands to reason that, if everything is sorrow, the only thing which is not sorrow is nothing, and that therefore to escape from sorrow is the attainment of nothingness.)    ---Aliester Crowley

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I read something interesting once along the lines that what it is that we utilize from the material in making up our physical bodies, is actually something that not only returns to its constituent base and even diffuses throughout wherever it may.  This is as well with the energic aspects of whatever sublimated matter, or more ethereal manifestation that we utilize.  But, where I'm leading is that the above is remembered and returns whenever we manifest.  What I'm suggesting is that what matter we use to make our bodies is matter that we use over and over again.  The exact same elements that made up our bodies in previous lives, we stick with.  However far and wide these elements may range when we are away.  Our Divine aspect remembers each element with loving loyalty never forgetting nary a one.  The following is a reply to Tom Paine:

"Section III
Buddhism has always been greatly misunderstood in the Occident, and this misunderstanding has arisen almost wholly because Occidental scholars themselves have misapprehended a large number of the most important teachings of the religio-philosophy of Gautama; and because these Occidental scholars imbodied their misapprehensions in their studies in and of Buddhism, and because such studies were printed and published, the reading Occidental public followed suit as was only to be expected; and thus it is that there is perhaps no single world-religion known today which has suffered so greatly in this respect as Buddhism has.

It has at times been called a religion of pessimism, simply because Occidentals have not understood its profound intellectual reaches nor its proper placing of the values of the material side of life. In the Occidental view, to teach that a man is an impermanent composite of elements of varying ethereality, and that when he dies this composite is dissolved, and that its component parts then enter into their respective realms or kingdoms or spheres of Nature: all this signifies to the Occidental mind that such a doctrine teaches utter annihilation of the compounded entity as an entity; for, consciously or unconsciously, such Occidental critics ignore the unifying and binding root of being of every such entity which brings at periodical intervals this compound together again out of the identic life-atoms that composed it in former existences.

Occidental scholars so think, or they think that they so think, because they do not understand that this very 'root,' or element, or subtil bond -- call it what you like -- i. e., the individualizing energy which brought these samskaras (40) or compounds or composites together, is, when all is said and done in argument, a unifying and therefore individualizing force; and that this unifying or individualizing force, no matter what we may call it, remains after the dissolution of the compound, and likewise has its own cosmic reservoir or kingdom or realm to which it returns; nor do they understand that this unifying or individualizing force the Lord Gautama in his great wisdom called the 'Buddha,' the inner originant, for which an equivalent term in the Mahayana of Northern Asia is Dhyani-Buddha.

It is quite true that from certain Occidental philosophical standpoints, the teaching of Gautama the Buddha may formally be considered 'pessimistic'; but only so if one judge it by Occidental philosophical standards alone, and ignore the intrinsic meaning of the Buddha himself; and is this either wise or fair? Ignoring a factor in a problem is not solving the problem properly. Can it, one asks, then be rightly done? How can we judge something which arose in the Orient and became the Law of the more civilized Oriental world for its own time-period, and successfully passed the examination of the keenest minds and the most astute intellects of ages, by the changing and therefore biased standards of Occidental scientific speculations, with a vague background of European philosophy, which speculations themselves are only some three hundred or more years old in their origin, and probably not more than seventy-five years old, or less, in their present form?

There was a time, not so long ago, when one teaching of the Buddha, that of the Nirvana, was considered by Occidental scholars to mean that the Lord Gautama taught that annihilation, utter, complete, was the end of every living conscious being, when that being had attained unto the stage of inner growth where it entered into this nirvanic state; and they pointed, naturally enough, to the Sanskrit meaning of this compound word: nir, 'out' or 'off,' and vana, the past participle passive of the root va, 'to blow': hence 'to blow out.' As they sagely and logically enough said: "Nirvana means 'blown out,' as a candle-flame is 'blown out' by the breath!" Ay, so it does. But what is it that is 'blown out'? What is it that ceases to exist? Is it the unifying spiritual force which brings this compound entity into being anew in a serial line of succession which has no known beginning, and which the Buddhist teaching itself shows to be something which reproduces itself in this series of illusory, because compounded, vehicles? This is impossible, because if this individualizing or unifying energy were 'blown out,' i. e., annihilated, it obviously could not continue to reproduce itself as the inspiriting energy of newly compounded bodies due to its own working. Therefore obviously enough what is blown out is the samskaras, the compounds, resulting from, i.e., born or produced by, the karman of the individual. This karman, therefore, and speaking with strict logical sequence of thought, which the doctrine imbodies, is the individual himself or itself; because the Buddhist teaching is that what is reproduced is the karman of the preceding individual, i. e., that any composite entity changes from instant to instant, and that at each new instant, the change is the resultant or effect or consequence of the preceding instant of change. Thus, then, the individual is his own karman at any instant in time, because that karman is the totality of what he is himself. When a man's composite parts are 'blown out,' i. e., 'enter Nirvana,' i. e., are 'extinguished,' rendered extinct, as the just previously existing compound, then all the rest of the being, that deathless center of unifying and individualizing spiritual force around which these composites or samskaras periodically gather -- lives as a Buddha.

This is exactly and as far as it goes (because there is much more that might be said), the teaching of Esoteric Theosophy, of the Esoteric Tradition. All the evil and lower part of us must be wiped out, extinguished, 'annihilated' if you like; in other words the karman that produced these illusory composites must be caused to cease; and new composites, nobler ones -- the products or effects or resultants of the preceding composites -- those henceforth joined to the Buddhic essence of the being, that spiritual force which is the inner Buddha, will then continue and on its own high plane live, because no longer controlled by the veils of the world of Maya, Illusion -- the worlds of impermanent structural composites. The being thus become a Buddha because of its delivery from enshrouding veils, has now reached the state and condition of passing out of the impermanence of all manifested existence into the utter permanence of cosmic Reality.

The matter of the real meaning of the Nirvana has thus been elaborated, albeit in somewhat sketchy fashion, in order to show that the supposition of many Westerners that the teaching of the Nirvana is a pessimistic doctrine because meaning utter extinction into the abyss of non-entity, is baseless. Hence, far from being pessimistic, the doctrine of the Nirvana is one of extraordinary hope. The word 'optimism' is not here used, because it is as subject to adverse critical comment as is its antonym 'pessimism.'

Far from being a religion of pessimism, when properly understood the religion of the Buddha is a religion -- not of optimism indeed, but of wisdom. These words are used advisedly, because it is certain that unthinking optimism is as foolish in its way as is unthinking pessimism. Neither is wise, because each is an extreme. The teaching of the Buddha was so wisely given by that Great Sage that it showed to men a pathway which went neither to the right -- to one extreme -- nor to the left -- to the other extreme; but chose the Middle Way, the way of Truth, avoiding the falling into the extremes of either side. All extremes are unreal, no matter what they may be, because unphilosophical; and it is the great subtilty of the Tathagata's teaching which has rendered it so difficult for Occidentals to understand. One often reads essays printed in the Occident by Westerners who have become Buddhists; and one may admire them for the courage with which they work in their new field; but, with no wish to hurt anyone's feelings, it is difficult to avoid being grieved by their usual lack of understanding of what is after all the heart, the core, of the great Buddha's teaching. The letter indeed of the Buddhist scriptures has been grasped -- more or less; but the spirit, i. e., the Buddha's 'heart,' is rarely or never understood. The Eye-Doctrine, in other words, is comprehended to a certain extent; but the Heart-Doctrine, the hid part, the esoteric part, is not seized, or only grasped intuitively and to a certain extent only at the rarest intervals.

Section IV
Ay, there is such a thing as esoteric Buddhism (41), despite the denials of this fact by very eminent Occidental Buddhist scholars. After all, what value is there in..."

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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You have to believe in the impossible in order to become.