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I thought the C's told us that we were the Lucifer (race). Or maybe the channeler's perception of Lucifer is channeled to this entity.

Anyways, this entity being channeled is totally nuts and doesn't understand positive forces - Rather some sort of pessimistic entity and probably doesn't even have any positive self esteem. So it tell fibs to the people who channel it so it can cause more chaos and feed it.

Q: I’m just tired of talking with you now. I’m just bored. It’s not even exciting or spooky anymore. It’s boring. Screw you. Serpentor.
A: You're amazing. This is great, I'm eating this up.

Q: You sound like an old lady. Screw you. Screw this. Boring. Turn it off.
A: I love this. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXX. The XXXXXX XXXXXX is over. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. We lie directly under your wheat fields. We push your plates. We fix your time. We fix your games. We XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, and perhaps we XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Or maybe I'm lying. How would you know? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. What do we care? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, (ad nauseum).

These types of entities who are being channeled obviously wants to misguide the channeler. New Age gets channeled by lots of destabilizing entities. This entity was a good example of how they work so chaos can abrupt!

Reptilian, demons, and other negative entities... You name it.

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Also, I have read a New Age article of 'Draconians seeing the Light' - Now, isn't that something? sad sad

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That "Dark One" is quite a card isn't he?

Usually these creepy fellows mix a bit of truth into their schpiel.  Not a single word.

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This reminds me back how I was once with negatively programmed people react to positivity. People are always wanting to be the top, acting pessimistic and... clever. They are always clever.  This reflects upon how the Dark see the Light (Includes all of them) are bunch of ignorant people who are not attached to materialistic desires and the alignment of Darkness. Then when the negative entities are exposed to the Light they turn away - Obviously they don't want to be themselves. roll

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According to the Cs, the reptilians are supposed to graduate to 5d on the same wave that takes us to 4d.  Supposed to, being the operative phrase.  Further, according to the Cs, they have chosen several times to continue their 4d voyage since "the physical universe is their god".

I seriously doubt they changed their minds this time around.  But I'm sure we haven't seen an end to the stories of "reptilians are dead", "draconians see the light", and other such 'Art of War' tactics.


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17. Simulated disorder postulates perfect discipline, simulated fear postulates courage; simulated weakness postulates strength.

18. Hiding order beneath the cloak of disorder is simply a question of subdivision; concealing courage under a show of timidity presupposes a fund of latent energy; masking strength with weakness is to be effected by tactical dispositions.


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...Being aligned to Darkness... Wouldn't recommend it, yet, an interesting experience to be in.

When you are aligned to negativity and that becomes your normal state - I would say that you would daydream a lot and become cold to others.

You would consider this 'normal' when aligned. Manipulation of others, wow, it's a surge of ignorant laughing!! You want power, you twists your own perceptions and you begin to detach from others thinking it's about you.

Also, secrecy. You like to be clever - closet demon!

The clever level in being on 'the Dark side' is very amusing. Lots of negative synchronities that you get the burst of humor in. CHAOS, is what you want to cause. You don't consider yourself evil or good, just 'you'. At the path of being dark, you turn into a demon and you ignore it.

http://noblerealms.org/articles/the-qua … f-darkside

This is good, I like it, very accurate.

I would say the quantity of the Dark side consider is very accurate, you want yourself to be the top of course. Being negative would get all of these people who are easily manipulated to do your task and ultimately give you more. Hmm, of course, in trading, you trade that the other would consider special but you would consider it as something close to worthless.

When in this state with other negatively programmed people, what would be aimed and expected for in the end is total silence after chaotic destruction.

Heh, Illusions. They were nothing but illusions. What the Dark aim for is death, not life.

Well, one of consequences they don't see is that the death they would cause ultimately in the end is onto themselves.

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Lyra, about reality as "illusion."

I understand this concept becomes very important when faced with the knowledge of continued reincarnation, often back to Earth as a human. Birth - suffering - death. Birth - suffering - death. Birth - suffering - death.

On and on and on. The philosophy is that being manifest life ultimately brings more suffering than anything else. Disease and death are never escapable. Even if you go on to become a god of some sort, eventually you will come back as a human and will once again lead a life of unavoidable disease and death.

So the ultimate realization is that this cycle has to be escaped, and liberation can only be realized in the human form.

That's the Buddhist doctrine, at least. I think it's probably similar to the Hindu ideas.

I'm not entirely sure about it. I do believe a soul can escape the endless wheel of samsara, but I'm not totally sold on mortality for all beings. I know that in Hindu and Taoist thought there is room for immortality, and its even achievable to humans.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with what I had posted......?  Since you mentioned my name and focused on me. I did mention the word "illusion" in my post...but that's because it was mentioned in the opening post, which I was responding to.....and which I was actually arguing against, using personal experience examples of tangling with a dark entity to show that darkness is very much real, and usually feels naturally repulsive to most people, and thus, is not a shoulder shrugging, "it's all good" illusion.   But I never mentioned anything about "reincarnation" here, so it's a little confusing as to why you chose my post to focus on with this point?

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I've read some allegations stating Buddhism is older than Hinduism.  I might be a bit pressed to find them all again, as I really was not overly interested in the subject when it was presented.  I've noticed that I often tend to digress, so this time I went immediately to digression. 

I wonder if the Aghori ascetics refer to gods as being perfect in the same way I would refer to 120 degrees F. as being hot?

If I deny all that exists is perfect I am denying the gods... what?  what am I denying them? my worship?  The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life.  If the bond is there its there.  Why do I have to get on my knee's and bow down to anyone?  Why would anyone want that?  I can't see myself ever wanting anyone to worship me or bow down on their knee's to me.  I suppose if I found that I have been acting in an extremely arrogant and ugly prideful manner, manifesting mostly from ignorance and/or self exaltation, I might have second thoughts.  Maybe. 

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If duality is an illusion, then why in your opinion might it be a problem to align yourself with darkness?

Aghori ascetics, while being devotees of the Hindu god Shiva, are monists who adhere to the common Hindu belief in liberation (moksha) from the cycle of reincarnation (samsara). This liberation is a realisation of the self's identity with the absolute. Because of this monistic doctrine, the Aghoris maintain that all opposites are identical and that the conventional Hindu distinctions between purity and impurity are ultimately illusory. The purpose of embracing pollution through various practices is the realization of non-duality through transcending social taboos, and seeing the illusory nature of all conventional categories.

In essence, Aghoris base their beliefs on two principles. First, that the gods are perfect. Second, that the gods are responsible for everything; every rock, tree, animal, and even every thought. Due to this, everything that exists must be perfect, and to deny the perfection of anything would be to deny the gods. For this reason, Aghoris are known to prove their faith by challenging pre-conceived notions of the grotesque, and find the beauty or perfection in such conventionally taboo notions as, for example, cannibalism.

I am curious about those who would oppose a philosophy such as the one above, and the reasons why it might be dangerous. I've always thought such philosophies make good points because most of man's beliefs are arbitrary symbols, but I'm not completely sold because I have yet to transcend all social taboos. It seems like there would be some freedom in it though.

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this is a very interesting topic...Even am bothered by this dualism of the spirit and soul..mind body and all that. Why can't we be just complete as we are born rather than choosing to be on either side or aligning... is this really neccessary on ones path to liberationg from re-incarnation to choose between two sides.

I am at this point where I have to decide between two sides and it doesn't make sense to divide myself and I don't know where my true essence lies wether in my heart or in my mind. I feel complete as I am and liberation is what am trying for with the hope to have the love that i carry in my heart.

This whole dualism thing tells me one thing that any entity being balanced between light and dark is a threat to the system itself because it has the essense of both the aspects of the reality and it would ultimately land that entity in a state of ONE. The whole matrix triology is a kind of set up for the ONE to sacrifice himself a part of him. And even tho! it teaches you the lessons about making a decission in life just like how we are taught to learn as we are children but as we are grown things always are complexed and we look behind at school to only find mind programming and we feel like the products of it.

About Hindu mythology... The reality is bipolar. The positive pole being the shiva (which represents the 3rd eye region and intellect) and shakti being the negative pole (the word negative doesn't stand for its literal meaning but we somehow made it literal it seems and we work as one sided beings) Shiv-Shakti together makes the brahman which is absolute and cannot be defined and it enters anything that is made from artificial beings to any particle atom, quark, crystals or whatever. Now, this means that the person who becomes the child of brahman with shiva-shakti is ONE with the existence itself. And that entity is the true reflection of brahman whoz acting power is maya which cannot be explained.

Now, the point is someone is working hard in this world to stop people from being complete and we are divided when we are dieing. And its not even about liberating when we are dieing we are subconciously commiting ourself to our auric sacrifice which means we are eirther letting go of our one side as our minds(SPIRIT) or our hearts(SOUL). Cuz to my personal experience it is evident that is the case when I as an individual think for everyones good and i have no bad intention in my mind or my heart to rule over mass or to do anything with this world am always stoped and disturbed and i struggle to be who i am from with in me. Just last night I was meditating with me head phones on jsut cuz i don't get disturbed and when i was about to awaken my kundalini there goes BIG BOOM sounds once again ..i mean in India the christmas is over I don't get it the whole existence seems to be against me in this case of me not letting myself get divided. and still i feel his presence as he is there to help me and achieve it which i will.

I understand about STS's and STO's and it does make sense but why does one have to be either of those. cuz like everyone else we have to agree that nothing is constant. If we are STO's indirectly we are boosting our ego's and self esteem and it makes us feel good that we did something good and now we are STS's they might have bad experience or they can't look the other way around they are helping themselves but in turn they are letting their victims know of their presence which mean they are STO's to cuz they are showing you that we are after you and you better learn to live or you die in us. I exist but then this is an illusion of holographs therefore i go deeper to define in astral planes. then again i don't exist there cuz am part of the one who is bliss. See nothing is constant and nothing will remain constant. Every single entity is in contol of his own life and you make your own choices but before commiting to any kind of choice look back deep inside of you and you might know that you have this little light in you and if not light you have some dark thoughts in you deep inside. We are running away form ourselves and keep defining ourselves making concepts and laws and what not just to satisfy our own experience of being alive and concious. For me there is only one law that is LOVE..THE LAW OF THE ONE... I don't believe in anything but love and i feel its love that we define in our every emotion. And I believe it is the love between the Brahman and Maya that is the state of creation on which we play on shiva and shakti on dualism.

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Spi wrote:

This reminds me back how I was once with negatively programmed people react to positivity. People are always wanting to be the top, acting pessimistic and... clever. They are always clever.  This reflects upon how the Dark see the Light (Includes all of them) are bunch of ignorant people who are not attached to materialistic desires and the alignment of Darkness. Then when the negative entities are exposed to the Light they turn away - Obviously they don't want to be themselves. roll

There is a very important occult idea which holds that within the darkness is also a light, a black light -- a false one which beckons those on the dark path.   Another name for it is the "black sun," see this article for more details on its relevance. 

http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/184_robs.gif

This calls to mind the mythology of vampires, who are creatures of night and are killed by the rays of the sun (true light) -- but artificial ("false") light cannot harm them.   

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Why can't we be just complete as we are born rather than choosing to be on either side or aligning... is this really neccessary ... I am at this point where I have to decide between two sides and it doesn't make sense to divide myself ... I feel complete as I am ...

I am feeling the same thing lately.   Tugged at by what seem to be two opposing sides, synchronicities occurring constantly from both camps, apparently designed to force me to choose sides.   The thing is, though, I don't see EITHER side behind these manipulations as being honest or representing the "true light" in any way.   So despite all the battering, I'm deciding NOT to pick either.   I choose to stand on my own, as independently as I can, for as long as I can.    There is so much programming all around us designed to make us believe we must choose; this song is a quintessential example:

"You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the Devil, or it may be the Lord,
But you're gonna have to serve somebody."

Bob Dylan

But implicit in that concept is that ultimately we cannot determine our own destinies; we must submit to becoming the pawns of some higher power.

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I guess my understanding is different.  It doesn't lend itself the frustration of feeling like I'm splitting myself up.  I don't choose between light and dark as I learn them both.  I don't choose between mind and heart as I see that the marriage of the two is the proper way for me.  The only real choice I make is how to interact with others.  And to be honest that wasn't really a choice.  It is who I am.  I never wanted to enslave others for selfish purposes.  For me it's that simple.  All I'm choosing is to be who I already found myself to be.

I don't attempt to help others so I can feel good about it.  I attempt to help others because it's the natural thing for me to do.  I don't post on this board to boost my ego, defend some position, or try to program others into following some agenda.  If I was trully being selfish I wouldn't post at all.  And many times I get into that mode and don't post for awhile.

And to be completely honest I don't think of any of it as 'helping others'.  I see all others as having the same infinite potential.  I see all others as unique fractions of One.  So all I'm really doing is giving.  Giving the only thing I have to give in the only way I have available to do so.  I give my understanding.  Whether it's wrong or right, that's who I am and that's what I have to give.

And, I don't see selfish beings as being sto when they let us know what they do.  That feeds the ego even more because the victim is left feeling even more helpless.  But I can't tell anyone not to see it that way.  In the end, the terms don't matter.  But, to me, they still perfectly fit the way I understand the fundamental fabric of existence.  I'm not concerned with whether eating is sts.  I'm here, even in the womb I ate, and that's how it is.  I'm concerned with learning the finer points of creation.  I learn the dark because that's what is in front of me to learn and it seems smart to do so in order to avoid their traps.  But I'm not going to use their knowledge to entrap others because it's not who I am.  And that's a choice whether it's labelled 'sto/sts' or not.  And I think most active posters here make that choice all the time.  The choice to be who they trully are.  I don't personally understand how that lends itself to frustration.

If you think choosing between enslaving others and empowering others is dividing yourself then I really don't know what to say to that.  Or that, that's not actually a choice and you can enslave and empower simultaneously?  I don't know.  Maybe I'm not understanding it properly.  If you choose Love then that's expanding right?  Or am I missing something?  The only way I can see not to choose is to choose not to interact with others at all.

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There is a state I sometimes achieve when I go into deep meditation. It is just below deep theta and delta. If I go into delta my body falls asleep and I am still conscious. If I remain in a deep theta I begin observing a barrage of archetypes, strange images, and all sort of sense phenomena will accompany the experience; if what I see and experience in this state is coming from the unconscious or the astral I have no idea.

When I achieve the subtle state between deep theta and delta, which is extremely difficult for me, the whole concept of duality, sides, light and dark completely disappears. There is no question and therefore no answer. Perhaps choosing a side is really just another worthless fantasy, idea and mentation. I wonder if such questions even cross the mind of a Zen master...but that question is again another mind game.

I'm tired of bouncing between polarities. I want out.

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Covertmetaphor, see my latest post here: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 74&p=2

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covertmetaphor wrote:

Perhaps choosing a side is really just another worthless fantasy, idea and mentation. I wonder if such questions even cross the mind of a Zen master...but that question is again another mind game.

I'm tired of bouncing between polarities. I want out.

"choosing a side" is probably an illusion...
the choice is made by the collective momentum of "the whole system"
=the last thousand years of evolution, DNA, according to causes and conditions~

the seeming choice/ "chooser" and the final reaction/acting out from the ideas taught to have value in our world...
hence having power over minds
what we are willing to do to achieve these pre-set values
may say something about individual "character"
or is that a quality available non-locally when one sees/acts directly... rather than reflexively.

The polarities may be smoke and mirrors to some extent.
We see what we have termed "negative and positive" working, let's say in a circuit...
but only in relation to each other do we know them!
Take one away and the other loses it's meaning...
so the distinct reality of anything being truly dark/light good/bad right/wrong is another illusion
stir them back into the paint and the rigid edges melt away

We cannot safely trust our conditioned judgments and labels for everything.

We are all, no matter how masterly, involved/weighted towards the "life" of a personal self and it's shadow,
the subconscious desire/fear... an inner power that can create or destroy...
but darkness, if it is meant to be symbol for thinking/acting selfishly...
this world is just the place to see what that brings

when we are willing to look at it... observe it non-judgmentally
face it respectfully without fear or stigma
the shadow loses it's power

Our world (the explicate order) does not exist merely in terms of opposites...
the absolute (the implicate order) knows no such distinctions. It functions as a whole.
in any case our effort of will to impose some order over this or that often backfires
and eventually every structure breaks down to it's elements
we do not order the heavens or the earth but we may respect the order that is.

the great master, Huang Po has said:
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Mind is like the void in which there is no confusion or evil, as when the sun wheels through it shining upon the four corners of the world. ...
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It is void, omnipresent, silent, pure; it is glorious and mysterious peaceful joy—and that is all. Enter deeply into it by awaking to it yourself. ..."
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there is but one source of life for each of us, no matter how we might characterize it.
change comes slowly with patience and discernment,
not by making choices that are fairly predetermined "reactions" anyway.

"I want out"
how much dissatisfaction is just stuck thinking about "me" being trapped
instead of seeing "the me" as the trap itself.
that we cannot help but live as thought reaction, a mechanical thing to an extent,
without silence to inform the listening

Awareness is change...it is the only "action" possible~light
but it is not "a me" acting. awareness is passive...just here and awake... in lucid state
If we could sit still and just get a look at what is choosing...
seeing in silence~
i am that i am
Direct perception of the moment is not male or female, is devoid of moral judgments (right or wrong)
nor is awareness racially/tribally influenced.

Now where is the rub exactly?
is it that we see ourselves over here when we want/need to get over there?
lets get down to cases~how exactly in my life does it gets painful or complicated psychologically?
pressure from parents/society?-that's been internalized.
simple resistance of life/fear of death?
that can change only by getting INTO IT ~ not out of it.

instead of gratitude for this life, this opportunity, this FRONT ROW SEAT~ we feel we deserve more somehow.
how about... IN THE CENTER RING...yes, that's where these fantasies come in...
wondering~ are we the actors or the audience?
are we both simultaneously?

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what is?

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