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Re: The Dead Series.

Another logical fallacy used...

"An adverse reaction to the desteni material proves it is correct."

This logic then turns everything around because...

I have an adverse reaction to many things in the bible which proves the bible is correct.

I have an adverse reaction to societal programming which proves societal programming is correct.

I have an adverse reaction to war and killing which proves that war and killing are correct.

My adverse reaction to these things is fear that these things are correct.

As we can see, this is yet another manipulative tactic and logical fallacy used to convince the ego that it is correct.

There is a pattern to be seen in the responses to the pointing out of inconsistencies.

And this is a good chance to test disernment when confronted with ego inspired programmed loops, both in self and others.


If {a:logical fallacy 1:} is false

Then init {b:logical fallacy 2:}

If {b:logical fallacy 2:} is false

Then init {c:logical fallacy 3:}

If {c:logical fallacy 3:} if false

Then init {d:cover concept:*}

If {a,b,c,d} are false

Then call {logic} false


*The "cover concept" is another logical fallacy.  The cover concept in this case is "oneness and eqality".

The logical fallacy comes by saying "If you don't believe all that is said then you are against the :cover concept:". 

Christians use this quite a bit.  If you don't believe in the bible 100%, then you are against the good things in it.

If you don't believe in human created global warming, then you are wanting to kill the planet.

If you don't believe the government is there to help you, then you're a terrorist.

If you don't believe in predatory capitalism then you are a communist.

If you don't believe the full extent of the desteni material then you are against "oneness and equality", which in turn makes you a robot zombie living in fear that condones the horrible things humans have done and will do.

This is a very effective form of propaganda.

At the individual level though, it's more appropriate to call it a logical fallacy than propaganda.

392 Reply by Spi

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Re: The Dead Series.

I was thinking of going over what Nyarlathotep just said a while ago:

E=MC[sup]2[/sup]

Energy isn't simply 'fuel', everything is made up of energy. This is a fact by Einstein. If Desteni has a video about Albert, I wouldn't be surprised. They do all these kinds of historical figures. roll

Desteni says that masturbation came from the 'mind consciousness system'. Also they said that the Animal Kingdom is expressing itself through Nature which does not having mind consciousness system according to desteni.. Thus Desteni is contradicting itself yet again:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HAx095dwORk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ciLllSAcF-8

Animals masturbate too, kid mongo. yikes

And what's with Desteni's donation page when they just released the Money Revolution videos? If Desteni wants their site to be up always, then why won't they just publish a book for people to buy and read instead of hosting videos on YouTube?

393 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-12-15 12:20:30)

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Re: The Dead Series.

There is another ego tactic.  Actually a dual one.

Attempt to force a reaction through overt misrepresentation.  Make the misrepresentation be something that makes the ego look correct.

In this case, CM's honesty was purposefully misrepresented to appear as an apology.

That feeds the ego once by attempting to make the ego appear correct all along.

And it feeds it a second time by getting a reaction from the person misrepresented.

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Re: The Dead Series.

z3n3rg wrote:

Another logical fallacy used...

"An adverse reaction to the desteni material proves it is correct."

Who said THAT? I sure as hell didn't.

*The "cover concept" is another logical fallacy.  The cover concept in this case is "oneness and eqality".

The logical fallacy comes by saying "If you don't believe all that is said then you are against the :cover concept:".

This is a "cover" itself in denying responsibility. Good for you.

If you don't believe the full extent of the desteni material then you are against "oneness and equality", which in turn makes you a robot zombie living in fear that condones the horrible things humans have done and will do.

Yep. At least you've got something right. If you don't live in self-honesty in every moment, you are exactly as you said: a zombified robot.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

kid mongo's Website

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  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Spi wrote:

I was thinking of going over what Nyarlathotep just said a while ago:

E=MC[sup]2[/sup]

Energy isn't simply 'fuel', everything is made up of energy. This is a fact by Einstein. If Desteni has a video about Albert, I wouldn't be surprised. They do all these kinds of historical figures. roll

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v9302375MCTKaJR Albert on preprogrammed life.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

kid mongo's Website

396 Reply by Blue

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  • Registered: 2006-07-10

Re: The Dead Series.

z3n3rg wrote:

Another logical fallacy used...

"An adverse reaction to the desteni material proves it is correct."

This logic then turns everything around because...

I have an adverse reaction to many things in the bible which proves the bible is correct.

I have an adverse reaction to societal programming which proves societal programming is correct.

I have an adverse reaction to war and killing which proves that war and killing are correct.

My adverse reaction to these things is fear that these things are correct.

As we can see, this is yet another manipulative tactic and logical fallacy used to convince the ego that it is correct.

There is a pattern to be seen in the responses to the pointing out of inconsistencies.

And this is a good chance to test disernment when confronted with ego inspired programmed loops, both in self and others.


If {a:logical fallacy 1:} is false

Then init {b:logical fallacy 2:}

If {b:logical fallacy 2:} is false

Then init {c:logical fallacy 3:}

If {c:logical fallacy 3:} if false

Then init {d:cover concept:*}

If {a,b,c,d} are false

Then call {logic} false


*The "cover concept" is another logical fallacy.  The cover concept in this case is "oneness and eqality".

The logical fallacy comes by saying "If you don't believe all that is said then you are against the :cover concept:". 

Christians use this quite a bit.  If you don't believe in the bible 100%, then you are against the good things in it.

If you don't believe in human created global warming, then you are wanting to kill the planet.

If you don't believe the government is there to help you, then you're a terrorist.

If you don't believe in predatory capitalism then you are a communist.

If you don't believe the full extent of the desteni material then you are against "oneness and equality", which in turn makes you a robot zombie living in fear that condones the horrible things humans have done and will do.

This is a very effective form of propaganda.

At the individual level though, it's more appropriate to call it a logical fallacy than propaganda.

z3 Your logic is impeccable.

I salute you.

Blue's Website

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Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:
z3n3rg wrote:

Another logical fallacy used...

"An adverse reaction to the desteni material proves it is correct."

Who said THAT? I sure as hell didn't.

It's a paraphrase, not an exact quote.  Here are a couple exact quotes.

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Kid Mongo
"see how you flap about like a trout caught on a fisherman's lines when presented with this"

Kid Mongo
"It's actually humorous to see the minds of some of you spin in fearful, angry self-deceptions."
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There are other examples.  This actually seems to be one of the main points used to attempt to prove that the material is the truth.  If you disagree with the material then you are "living in fear", "spinning angry self-deceptions", and a bunch of other stuff.  I just paraphrased it.  Now I see paraphrasing left open the ability for you to deny it.

And yet you speak of "self-honesty in every moment".  You certainly aren't teaching by example.


*The "cover concept" is another logical fallacy.  The cover concept in this case is "oneness and eqality".

The logical fallacy comes by saying "If you don't believe all that is said then you are against the :cover concept:".

This is a "cover" itself in denying responsibility. Good for you.

That's another non sequitor.  Your response doesn't follow what I wrote.  How exactly does desteni's creation of a cover concept show that I'm denying responsibility?  It doesn't.  It's another deflection.


If you don't believe the full extent of the desteni material then you are against "oneness and equality", which in turn makes you a robot zombie living in fear that condones the horrible things humans have done and will do.

Yep. At least you've got something right. If you don't live in self-honesty in every moment, you are exactly as you said: a zombified robot.

"Agreeing with ALL of the material" and "living in self-honesty", are unrelated.  You can live in self-honesty without ever reading the desteni material.  The concept of "self-honesty" has been around for ages.  Just because the material has certain valuable concepts in it doesn't make the whole of the material 100% truth.  That's the trap.  Same with the Bible, and the Torah, and the Koran.  They contain valuable concepts but it wouldn't be very smart to trust them 100%.

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Re: The Dead Series.

Thank you Blue.  And thank you covertmetaphor for the 'nod' earlier. 

I'm not trying to tear anyone down.  I'm not trying to prosecute.  I'm trying to give what I have.  I've seen all these things within myself before I ever raised a mirror to show someone else.  I looked in that inner mirror and didn't like what I had allowed myself to become.  It's been over a decade since I started work on "self-honesty in every moment".  And only when one consciously applies that brutal self-honesty can they learn to feel what inner freedom is.  And when I learned that feeling it became easier to feel when I wasn't being honest.

It's a foreseen conclusion that many of these valid concepts of self-work would be twisted to keep the ego (false self) alive.  Desteni appears to just be another in a long line of such works.

  • Registered: 2007-07-06

Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:
Spi wrote:

I was thinking of going over what Nyarlathotep just said a while ago:

E=MC[sup]2[/sup]

Energy isn't simply 'fuel', everything is made up of energy. This is a fact by Einstein. If Desteni has a video about Albert, I wouldn't be surprised. They do all these kinds of historical figures. roll

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v9302375MCTKaJR Albert on preprogrammed life.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Watched it.  Didn't really have a problem with it.  Read the complaining of the Preacher in, Eccl. 1: 7 thru 10.  It is why adding the particle, 'r' to evolvings makes sense.  In our seemingly endless cycles of lives striving to reach the pinnacle of perfection, much is repetition.  Revolvings is thus, an appropriate word.  In evolving, when something new comes to be, it is first known as emanation.  If you want to see yourselves as slaves, I don't mind.  Service is a noble endeavor.  Gods have  been known as being servants to many things.  Loki was incessantly admonished to his face and behind his back by the other gods, but was always the one called upon to accomplish some difficult task.  He was accused of killing Baldr, and maybe he did, if you want to take the word of the accuser.  His main problem with the other gods was their always coming to a point where they believe they have reached perfection, and perfections related implication as something which has no need of alteration.  The only real certainty is change.  Many have great distress from this notion.  Certain things must be done so that others can come to pass.  There is no need to feel a foreboding of impending cataclysm.  Unless that is what you choose.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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Re: The Dead Series.

z3r, this has gone far enough.

You haven't read ALL the material, yet you act as if you have it all figured out. So I wouldn't expect you to "agree" with "all" of it. You have my congratulations. And here you go: making a sweeping generalization on a subject you know little about as if you had indeed, read, understood and judged ALL of the material. From the statement you have made, I know you haven't. You are not being honest in this discussion, and therefore you  are not being honest with yourself. You just want to split hairs. Go for it.

But don't trust anything outside yourself, bro. Don't believe or have faith, or put trust in anything outside yourself. Recipe for separation. That is a giant chunk of Desteni that  you haven't much considered.

It's plain to see that any honest discussion of "channeled" material in this so-called "Spirituality and Metaphysics forum is going to be hard to come by. There are some who can't discuss this as a hypothesis without emotion and hysteria because the message doesn't have the "correct" delivery system. Not one single person has said what they really believe: that is, that there is no way in hell this subject will be discussed in a frank, metaphyisical way because of agendas and positions to be defended.

I'm not going away. And I can trade insults and shitty remarks with the best of you. So you'll have to "pick up your game" in that department. Metaphysically, Desteni has important and relevant statements to make, and for those playing at home, these messages will continue.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

kid mongo's Website

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Antaeus wrote:

The only real certainty is change.  Many have great distress from this notion.  Certain things must be done so that others can come to pass.  There is no need to feel a foreboding of impending cataclysm.  Unless that is what you choose.

Yep. The only way out is to clear the decks and start over. When the oil runs out, and the trucks stop running, and the grocery store  what then? What will the governments cook up then?

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

kid mongo's Website

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Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:

And I can trade insults and shitty remarks with the best of you.

Why do you feel you are being insulted? We're just having a critical discussion. Do you feel as if you are being personally attacked? I don't think that is anyone's intention here.

Covert Metaphor
The Absolute Truth of Bucky Beaver

covertmetaphor's Website

  • Registered: 2007-07-06

Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:
Antaeus wrote:

The only real certainty is change.  Many have great distress from this notion.  Certain things must be done so that others can come to pass.  There is no need to feel a foreboding of impending cataclysm.  Unless that is what you choose.

Yep. The only way out is to clear the decks and start over. When the oil runs out, and the trucks stop running, and the grocery store  what then? What will the governments cook up then?

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You don't know?  If you want me to tell you, just say so.  This will be the act of you giving me power.  Think first.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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404 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-12-15 16:03:19)

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Re: The Dead Series.

And here you go: making a sweeping generalization on a subject you know little about as if you had indeed, read, understood and judged ALL of the material.

Pointing out logical fallacies is not "making a sweeping generalization".

You are accusing me of stuff that's not present.  Yet another tired tactic.

If you're talking about this...

Desteni appears to just be another in a long line of such works.

Notice the word "appears" and understand where the statement comes from.  When manipulative tactics are used then the source material becomes suspsect.

But don't trust anything outside yourself, bro. Don't believe or have faith, or put trust in anything outside yourself. Recipe for separation. That is a giant chunk of Desteni that  you haven't much considered.

Separation is not a new concept just uncovered by desteni.  Neither is trusting in self.  Yet you accuse me of not considering it much?  How can you honestly do that?

It's plain to see that any honest discussion of "channeled" material in this so-called "Spirituality and Metaphysics forum is going to be hard to come by.

Definitely true for this thread.  Pointing out the manipulative tactics gets ignored or twisted.  It would be nice to hear some honesty.

because the message doesn't have the "correct" delivery system.

Another twist of meaning.  It has nothing to do with a 'correct delivery system' and everything to do with using tired old tactics that have been used in religions and guvernment for ages.  If the material was 100% completely honest and true then no such things would be necessary.

I'm not going away.

I'm sure you will continue to deflect, twist, and accuse.  I expect it.

405 Reply by Millenium (edited by Millenium 2007-12-15 16:21:16)

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Re: The Dead Series.

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