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Re: The Dead Series.

"When one is faced with attack, one needs to be very clear on the dynamics of a situation, and where one has consciously or unconsciously overlooked/forgiven someone for some wrong or fault, it creates weakness in one's own integrity. And by integrity I am not limiting my definition to moral integrity--I mean this as more of a generic "wholeness."

Spi, welcome back. It isn't about the "situation." It isn't about the "other" or their actions. It isn't even about "forgiving" another, either. That's the problem: the starting point begins with YOU. Not the situation. Not the other. If you do, you're locked in the friction of mind systems. I see no mention of self - forgiveness, so I would say from a Destenian viewpoint, the Cs are misleading as "integrrity" here is used ambiguously, yet it's true for a mind system-- separation caused by outside influences. Forgive yourself first-- self - honesty in every moment.


"When you go down the path of forgiveness, you also open up the realm of not-forgiveness"

Mind system projection of polarity. In this case, yes, it is true.

"True forgiveness implies a canceling out of the other person's weak spot, an acknowledgment that the damage has been ended in the Forgiver."

This makes no sense. How can you be responsible for somebody else's flaws? By what property or agency do I possess that can "fix" something in you? Nonsense. You can only do damage to yourself. Nonsense.

"Forgiveness can be viewed in a mundane way as a judgment (just as a refusal to forgive can be judgment). It does not guarantee that the underlying weakness in the forgiven person has now been addressed and resolved."

Judgment is believing someone is not equal as one with you.

"Seemingly to me, in a similar way, when we make allowances for others' weak spots by reason of judging that their other good qualities "cancel out these weak spots," we agree to overlook, we can also close the door to receiving information about our own more unconscious aspects from our true friends. Integral to this type of scene of course would be the ability and means with which to make effective corrections and improvements. And of course each member would have the right and responsibility to maintain his/her own integrity. Any organization would be subject to contamination, and would be as strong as its weakest link."

What will you allow, and what will you not allow, Spi? This is just jumbled - up verbal diarhea system - speak. "Our true friends?" Separation.

Not impressed by this statement. Where is oneness and equality mentioned? Or self - ressponsibility? Or self - trust?  All I see is statements that say you are not equal to the idea of "forgiveness."

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Re: The Dead Series.

I agree some on the self-forgiveness, which you would want to clear up any flaws you have brought up on yourself.


This makes no sense. How can you be responsible for somebody else's flaws? By what property or agency do I possess that can "fix" something in you? Nonsense. You can only do damage to yourself. Nonsense.

Well about forgiving others to notify that the damage that was brought from each other wanted to clear up the situations. I once hurt someone by arguing with them, and he has decided not talk to me due to the conversation (Preventing any other attacking). I didn't want a friend to ignore me. Obviously, he didn't know about it - So I wanted him to know, "I'm sorry", and then we became friends again. Which connect us instead of having awkward situations when I get into contact. It's not about the judgment of the other person, but the situation from the argument.

273 Reply by kid mongo (edited by kid mongo 2007-11-26 16:43:41)

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Re: The Dead Series.

Good question. Let's take your situation. There was a fight between you and another. You apologized. But what was your starting point? You didn't want to be ignored. And this seems to have been left unsaid. You only apologized because you didn't want to be ignored by your friend. Can you see your starting point in wanting to "fix" a relationship (a whoooole 'nother ball o' wax) so your ego could be settled? See, the situation is moot. You are "friends" again not because you "forgave" the other or yourself, for that matter, but because you wanted to keep a relationship going and you feared losing that relationship. And this is what relationships have become: egos supporting other egos. Minds supporting other minds. All due to mind - generated fear of loss. Self - honesty not even considered.

Let me tell you of a similar situation with a friend I had, We played in a group together, and we had a good time performing music with each other. However, my pal started this "competitive" thing with me, and began treating me in a way I didn't appreciate. He liked to put my playing down while at the same time told everyone how great he was. Obviously, this led to some tense moments, so I told him this competitive bullshit had to stop. Didn't matter. He kept on and I said, that's it. No more. It was not acceptable to me for my pal to treat me this way, so I broke it off. Clean and direct. I don't need a relationship. Especially with a mind system. "Forgiving" my friend would have solved nothing. The idea that Desteni brings forth is that I forgive myself for allowing another to treat me in an unacceptable way.

I would closely read equalandone's post and then weigh that perspective against the Cassiopaean's message. What would have been the outcome had you applied the Desteni method to your situation with your friend?  Tell me what you think.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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274 Reply by Spi (edited by Spi 2007-11-26 17:37:45)

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Re: The Dead Series.

If you were, sometimes being blunt won't simply solve that kind of situation - "Stop this competitive bullshit". From my knowledge point of perspective, it depends on what their empathy is made of. He probably is an organic portal. They lack caring about others, and if they learn a lesson they'll usually act like it never happened.

Obviously if he didn't care, he would have to figure out for himself then.


I have another question for you kid mongo, it's rather personal, but I'm curious. Be honest too:

You said you left 'everything' to stand up for yourself,
Do you have any relationships nowadays? Not to get in your family, but how did Desteni affected your family relationships?

How old are you?

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Re: The Dead Series.

Um, no. Being blunt and brutally honest is a great way to see where you stand with someone. You outta try it!

"Organic Portal?" Where I'm from, we call them "jerks."

Spi, age is irrelevant, but I'm middle - age. I'll leave it up to you to guess how "middle" that is.

But I will be honest with you. I have yet to "leave all behind." I am working on it, though. LOL

I am in the process of stopping the mind. The mission is yet to be accomplished. It will take years to finally stop the mind for good. It is difficult for me for I have acquired much knowledge and information that I have identified myself as myself. I also have a lot of anger, frustration and fear that I must let go. However, in spite of all that, I have made great progress in that my brain isn't racing 100 miles per hour like it used to. I experience "no thought" many times during the day. Interesting: when I first put the method of self - forgiveness for every thought, feelings and emotions that rose from within, I was walking down the causeway to my job, when I realized that I had no thoughts! For a brief moment, I was one with everything; the sky, the trees, the wind that gently blew past. This experience was enough to convince me that stopping the mind wasn't just some crackpot theory, but something I actually experienced! So, in an instant, I proved to myself that this indeed is the path that leads to oneness and equality. So I have good days and not - so - good days, yet I don't judge myself. This walk is a process and I believe that what I experienced was indeed, all the proof I needed.

As for relationships. No. In fact, when I began to walk in the process of oneness and equality, I was in a relationship. Believe me when I tell you that it just wasn't working out between the two of us. There was jealousy, fights, mistrust, anger, and hard feelings that were left to fester. I realized that all relationships are ego - driven systems. The mind gets lonely and needs something outside of itself to "feel better." I realized that my girl and I did not "love" each other because we did not live "love" as an expression that we were one and equal to. Our "love" was based on insecurities, secrecies, obligations, loyalty, respects-- all of which were needs of the ego. And we were guilty of placing in the other what we couldn't place within ourselves.

I told my love that we were through. That I wasn't in love with her, and probably had never been in love with any woman. All we had between us was an emotional energy that slowly drained away over time until one day, we wondered what did we ever see in each other that made us "feel" "love." If you've ever been in a relationship, Spi, you know how the butterflies in the stomach and the eros and excitement all ebb away over time. Many a woman I have told that I didn't "love" them anymore. "Sorry, Hon. I just don't feel it anymore." Each and every relationship ended the same way, with me wondering what was it that happened? How did my feelings of love always disappear? I could never get a handle on it.

When I gave my girl the news that we were through, she was very angry and devastated. She was devastated because I did not want to continue a relationship with her, and was mentally whacked by it.  She had all these terrible feelings swimming around in her and she blamed me for "throwing her out into the street."Yet all we did was fight and argue over the stupidest shit. Then I was spinning in emotions of guilt and anger over her feelings. Do you see how stupid this all is? Eventually, we both saw how we were being directed by our emotions and our thoughts and feelings. We also were not totally honest with ourselves or with each other. And most importantly, we did not live as the living word of the statement that we were one and equal with "love." We thought love was an emotion and sex, which is a mindf*ck.  And we now know that emotions will lie and screw you over and manifest separation. Because it isn't about the "other." It's about you, and your ability to face yourself and not depend on something or someone outside of yourself to fulfill you.

So, after many months of in self - honesty and self - forgiveness, my girl and I are now in an "agreement" to support each other in this walk towards oneness and equality. We've agreed to walk together as equals, in self - trust, and with self - responsibility. Not as a "couple" or "mates," or anything like that. We've agreed that when mind systems pop up that we apply self - forgiveness immediately. No chains, no agendas. It will be interesting to experience this. We won't accept anything less than what we really are.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Re: The Dead Series.

Yes, I slapped myself thrice.  tongue

I consider these concepts important enough to try again.

Maybe this will show that I come to this material from a place of experience, not fear.

I'll just add one note to this.  Thoughts are not the same as "Mind" in the same way fish are not the same as "Ocean".

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-29-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 084#p34084

Stop thinking.  You'd be surprised how powerful non-thinking is.  For myself, I get a new awareness.  A spatial awareness.

Also, not thinking goes a long way in stopping STS thought loops.

Can't mind control you if you aren't thinking.

Thinking usually takes us out of the present moment.  Past or Future, our thoughts wander to.

I've thought plenty in my life.  I read even more.  I'm learning to operate from knowing instead of thinking.

Thinking now feels like a wall.  When I stop it the wall is gone.

Awareness is restored.  The present moment is back.  Everything is Now.

The idea is to be STO.  Thoughts almost always have the self as the center.  Thoughts keep us in our heads.

A thought is like shooting star in the sky.  But we soon animate the thought until it fills the sky.  We forget the sky.

Just some thoughts to fill your sky.

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montalk wrote:

Posted 03-29-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 087#p34087

...that explained it was possible and necessary to stop the internal dialogue and runaway fantasies while actually heightening one's state of awareness rather than suppressing it. I think that's what you're talking about, z3n3rg. It's bringing the subconscious into the conscious rather than vice versa and sharpens rather than suppresses the mind. So hopefully everyone understands there's a difference between mindlessness and nonthinking.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-29-2006

montalk wrote:

It's bringing the subconscious into the conscious

That's exactly it.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-30-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 155#p34155

Non-Thinking:  I use this to tap into the awareness of the energy body (subconscious).  One trick I found was to concentrate on concentrating.  The idea for me is to remember the feeling of intense concentration.  Then, without thought, concentrate on intensifying that feeling of concentration.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-31-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 257#p34257

I'll attempt to explain where I'm coming from.  I was emotionally and spiritually attacked by the people closest to me from the earliest of ages.  My defense was these ego based (victim) sts thought loops (STLs).  They were the predominant force in my youth.  These were a weakness that was picked up by others and were used against me for further feeding off that victim mentality that I created.  So the attacks grew stronger by all those around me which reinforced the STLs.  This feeding loop caused all sorts of issues that I didn't want.  Around the age of 20 I had enough and set out to undo these mental knots.  It wasn't easy nor quick to undo 20 years of damage and programming.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 04-01-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 297#p34297

When you can stop thoughts completely for a few seconds something extraordinary happens.  A space within is formed.  You may not notice it for awhile.  Each time you can stop thoughts completely for a few seconds, more space is added to this inner space.  Nothing is ever taken away so you don't have to worry about stopping thoughts for long periods when you start out.  Each person has their own levels with this.  Some can create a space very quickly.  For others, it takes longer.  But when that space is big enough you consciousness will notice it.  It's like an inner ball of peace.  When you become aware of it then you can go there quickly, instantly even.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-31-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 235#p34235

Now, I can initiate a stop instantly, anywhere at anytime.  And intensifing it is merely a step beyond.  Also, it's now quite easy to see my thoughts in real-time and pick up the ones that are still ego based.  Then I can grab them and find their root.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 06-16-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 232#p39232

One of the major steps I had to take was undoing the thought loops (programs) that ran through my head constantly.  This gave me more mental space to work with.

Another thing I did was practice with the most mundade of things.  For instance, walk to your kitchen and make a sandwich without thinking or labelling anything.  Instead, use only awareness.

Still another trick I've done is the 50% method.  Go make that sandwich at 50% your normal speed.  That includes each arm movement and footstep.  Catch and correct yourself if any movement goes normal speed.

The 50% method is profound (to me) in and of itself.  At 50% I notice the gravity, wind resistance, change in temperature, air flow, muscle contraction, etc.  Add in non-thinking/non-labelling and it's really an alien feeling of awareness.

Pouring a glass of water becomes a new experience.

See in 3d, mentally.  Normal awareness is a labelling of the surface world.  A 2-dimensional planar awareness.  Get a glass and pour some water.  But add the next dimension and get the essense back.  You feel the pull of gravity on the glass.  You feel the extra force as the billions of bounded hydrogen and oxygen atoms collide with a glass floor.  You feel the air being displaced from inside the glass.  And other nuances.  Do it without thinking and the awareness shift is rather pronounced.

The active non-thinking quiets the conscious mind so the subconscious can be felt.  The subconscious knowledge comes forth as just knowing.  The subconscious is still all about movement.  Movement of energy compared with the conscious's movement of matter.  Quiet the subconscious and you can tap the unconscious (I assume).

There does seem to be a few byproducts that come with the non-thinking/non-labelling essence-tial awareness.  For one, the ego doesn't do too well without the use of thoughts.  Another byproduct is the underlining joy of life seems to slip back through the muck of societal living that we allowed to cover our true natures.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 06-22-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 537#p39537

Awareness does in fact stop the thought loops.  I find there were many stages or shall I say added weight to the awareness end of the scale that slowly counter-balanced the automatic thought loops.  Think of a scale.  One side of the scale has all the accumalated thought loops we have added to ourselves in response to our environement.  The other side would be awareness.  Weight needed to be added to the awareness side by actively stopping thought loops.  This required effort.  The weight of the thought loops made them automatic.  In other words, no effort simply because they were formed over many years and worked well for interacting with the environment around me.

So it did take effort to stop these thought loops.  At the same time, there were many that would not cease.  I needed to examine these and find out why they still played out automatically during certain circumstances.  Then I needed to basically find the root and add new learnings to show my mind these thought loops were no longer necessary.  I was teaching my old self with new realizations.

This added weight to the awareness side of the scale.  In other words, the effort helped make the awareness slowly become the more natural state of mind.  A favorite song quote comes to mind.  "Another robot learns to be something more than a machine".

I also added mental alarms for thought loops that I was keeping an eye out for.  If I slacked in awareness, which early on was the majority of time, I would have an alarm go of for certain thought loops.  Then I could stop and examine the thoughts and the situations that were playing out during the thought loops.  Same as above, I would add new logic to show myself these thought loops were no longer necessary.

Slowly but surely the scales were tipped in favor of a non-effort awareness (instead of non-effort thought loops).  20 years worth of that robot mentality.  10 years worth of effort to tip the scales.  Honestly, I haven't completely finished in regard to the cultivation of non-effort awareness.  However, the scales have tipped and it gets easier everyday to stay in that awareness.

I don't necessarily think my personal experiences negate what Krishnamurti is stating.  I just didn't see the path from 'robot to awareness' in the quotes you gave.  I like the higher level teachings.  I like seeing the end result first and then forming the path to get there from my current position.  Some of the first teachings that started me on my path were just like the quotes you gave.  But being personally realistic, I was unable to hold the awareness straight out of the box.  So I just took the teachings to be the result of work.  That once you got there the non-effort awareness had the properties described.  Those higher level teachings were one part of the motivation that kept me going.  I wanted to experience the results that those teachings showed me.

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oceanchild wrote:

07-18-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 688#p40688

"...So put aside the candlelight which all the gurus and the books offer you. And do not repeat a word that you yourself have not seen the truth of, which you yourself have not tested."

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 08-19-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 373#p42373

I don't think thinking is the problem.  How you think is the problem, I think.

Think like your slamming in rivets with a sledgehammer on the 101st floor of a skyscraper being built.  Precision, Balance, Concentration, Persistence, and Power.

Think densely.  Add new dimensions to all thoughts.

Let no thought pass without being examined.

Memorize the feeling each thought produces.  Remember how the thought feels.

Utilize all tools to rethink your mind.

Create a core that is untouchable by external influences.  The core is still liquid but can only be changed by self under full sobriety.  Re-examine this core very often.

Practice non-thinking.  Put up mental guards that gently turn away all thoughts and won't allow them to animate.  Ensure no thoughts animate beyond the original thought.  Simply be aware that those thoughts were present and then go back to the no-thought awareness.

Expand the no-thought awareness with new thought forms.  These new thought forms can be added to the core temporarily, then put up the guards and you can test the concept as part of your non-thinking awareness.

Or if you aren't hip on the term 'non-thinking' then think of it as 4d thinking or 4d awareness.  Thinking from the energy body.  An expanded awareness caused by ever-expanding non-3d-thinking.

Think not what your thoughts can do for you but think what your thoughts can do for others.

I stop thinking, therefore I Am.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 08-19-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 034#p52034

Hmmm, things that have helped.  Can't say they are new or will help others, but they have helped me.

1.  Stop thinking about what others 'might' be thinking about you.

2.  Stop comparing self to others (or visa versa) in a judgemental fashion.  Only identify that which you wish to make better for yourself.  Accept where you currently are the same way you will accept where you will be as you strive towards your goal.

3.  All the people of this earth are trully One.  Understand that level and feel it.  Memorize the feeling.  Recall the feeling often.

4.  Practice non-thinking awareness (while recalling the feeling of Oneness).

5.  Accept your Eternal-ality.  There was an old AA (alcoholics anonymous) saying that stated "I can put up with something for 12 hours that would appall me if I knew I had to keep it up for a life time".  I changed that quote to read "I can put up with something for a lifetime that would appall me if I knew I had to keep it up for an eternity".

6.  Memorize the feelings that make you unhappy.  Set a mental alarm to go off whenever these feelings arise.  Become fully aware and open when the alarm goes off.  Then simply transduce the negative energy.  Transducing can be done by using number 4 and 5.

7.  Divine Nonchalance.

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z3n3rg wrote:

Posted 03-24-2006

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 718#p54718

I've practiced non-thinking awareness (nta) off and on for awhile now.  When doing it did you ensure to maintain an active awareness?  The point of nta, i think, is not to shut off stimuli or shut off the brain, mind, etc.  It's meant to temporarily remove that particular filter.  The awareness then can reach new levels.  The awareness isn't stuck in the mind animating whatever random thought that comes along.  It is on point, on guard, and at attention.

I think maybe some people see the filter of 'thought' as the interpretor.  So it may seem to some that shutting off the filter is shutting off the interface.  But the true interpretor doesn't require thought at all.  In fact, it is so much more efficient and objective without the encumbrance of thought.

An instance, when you look at a tree and decide not to use the thought filter do you then take in the tree fully or does awareness shut it out.  The filter named "tree" is not the essense of the tree.  When you say "tree" then it brings up all past (remembered) things and fills the mind with tree stuff.  But removing that filter and hurling your awareness at the tree, something extraordinary happens.  The mind isn't filled with the same old comfortable played-out thoughts.  It's filled with something altogether different.  It's filled with the true essense of tree as interpreted by our true interpretor.

Visualization is also sometimes part of my active awareness.  I suppose technically, it can't be considered completely non-thought but I always took the concept of non-thought as taking off the word filters and balancing off the subjective weight.  But anyway, I would visualize the full tree in it's atomic dimension.  I would see it's cellular structure and the constant movement within it.  I would see the breeze of molecules pushing past the molecules of the leaves.  But never using the words.  Only seeing it as a sort of visual overlay.  It doesn't obscure the essense of tree as seen from a completely non-thought awareness either.  But it adds dimensions that can be used to see the "magic" of the moment of a breeze blowing through a tree.  Adding in the layers onto the visual overlay will add more "magic" to the moment.  For instance, add in the macro layer of space.  Then add in the energy layer of a sea of quantum energy possibilities.  Hold all the layers in that moment of watching the tree.  Feel the weight of the full construct of that one infinitesimally small but incredibly complex scene.  Then it's an easy step to turn that weight to appreciation.  And that appreciation to love.  For within that scene is the observer, you.  And so, in each moment, we are always surrounded by the arms of love.  A complex matrix set up to spur our senses, to get us to question, and to arouse a deep sense of belonging.

I would set up filters for them.  I would go back to the filters then and examine the thoughts, the surrounding situations, and any emotional attachments.  I recognize first the thought has the weight of annoying and troublesome.  That won't help in trying to transmute the thought.  So I would immediately search for the balance of those.  I would think of a way the thought could be pleasant and helpful.  I then allow the emotional weight of that thought up "possibility" to cancel out the emotional weight of the original thought.  Now I can move forward.  I would figure out all I could about the thought before filing it away.

Now really, I humbly think, the above is one of the secrets that gets obscured in new-age teaching.  And some old-age teachings too.  I don't think it's optimal to emotionally detach from the world via brute force just for the sake of ascension.  It may be a way to do it.  But I think the way of balancing is so much better.  You are not cutting anything off.  You keep the feeling of "annoying" and you are adding it's opposite.

Energy follows thought.  Feel the emotional weight in all your thoughts.  It is possible to intellectually open the heart chakra.  Take anything and add allowance, acceptance, and understanding.  And soon an appreciation will build.  This appreciation can then be used to focus energy into the heart helping it to grow.  The appreciation then turns to love.

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277 Reply by Spi (edited by Spi 2007-11-27 11:51:16)

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Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:

Um, no. Being blunt and brutally honest is a great way to see where you stand with someone. You outta try it!

"Organic Portal?" Where I'm from, we call them "jerks."

Spi, age is irrelevant, but I'm middle - age. I'll leave it up to you to guess how "middle" that is.

But I will be honest with you. I have yet to "leave all behind." I am working on it, though. LOL

I am in the process of stopping the mind. The mission is yet to be accomplished. It will take years to finally stop the mind for good. It is difficult for me for I have acquired much knowledge and information that I have identified myself as myself. I also have a lot of anger, frustration and fear that I must let go. However, in spite of all that, I have made great progress in that my brain isn't racing 100 miles per hour like it used to. I experience "no thought" many times during the day. Interesting: when I first put the method of self - forgiveness for every thought, feelings and emotions that rose from within, I was walking down the causeway to my job, when I realized that I had no thoughts! For a brief moment, I was one with everything; the sky, the trees, the wind that gently blew past. This experience was enough to convince me that stopping the mind wasn't just some crackpot theory, but something I actually experienced! So, in an instant, I proved to myself that this indeed is the path that leads to oneness and equality. So I have good days and not - so - good days, yet I don't judge myself. This walk is a process and I believe that what I experienced was indeed, all the proof I needed.

As for relationships. No. In fact, when I began to walk in the process of oneness and equality, I was in a relationship. Believe me when I tell you that it just wasn't working out between the two of us. There was jealousy, fights, mistrust, anger, and hard feelings that were left to fester. I realized that all relationships are ego - driven systems. The mind gets lonely and needs something outside of itself to "feel better." I realized that my girl and I did not "love" each other because we did not live "love" as an expression that we were one and equal to. Our "love" was based on insecurities, secrecies, obligations, loyalty, respects-- all of which were needs of the ego. And we were guilty of placing in the other what we couldn't place within ourselves.

I told my love that we were through. That I wasn't in love with her, and probably had never been in love with any woman. All we had between us was an emotional energy that slowly drained away over time until one day, we wondered what did we ever see in each other that made us "feel" "love." If you've ever been in a relationship, Spi, you know how the butterflies in the stomach and the eros and excitement all ebb away over time. Many a woman I have told that I didn't "love" them anymore. "Sorry, Hon. I just don't feel it anymore." Each and every relationship ended the same way, with me wondering what was it that happened? How did my feelings of love always disappear? I could never get a handle on it.

When I gave my girl the news that we were through, she was very angry and devastated. She was devastated because I did not want to continue a relationship with her, and was mentally whacked by it.  She had all these terrible feelings swimming around in her and she blamed me for "throwing her out into the street."Yet all we did was fight and argue over the stupidest shit. Then I was spinning in emotions of guilt and anger over her feelings. Do you see how stupid this all is? Eventually, we both saw how we were being directed by our emotions and our thoughts and feelings. We also were not totally honest with ourselves or with each other. And most importantly, we did not live as the living word of the statement that we were one and equal with "love." We thought love was an emotion and sex, which is a mindf*ck.  And we now know that emotions will lie and screw you over and manifest separation. Because it isn't about the "other." It's about you, and your ability to face yourself and not depend on something or someone outside of yourself to fulfill you.

So, after many months of in self - honesty and self - forgiveness, my girl and I are now in an "agreement" to support each other in this walk towards oneness and equality. We've agreed to walk together as equals, in self - trust, and with self - responsibility. Not as a "couple" or "mates," or anything like that. We've agreed that when mind systems pop up that we apply self - forgiveness immediately. No chains, no agendas. It will be interesting to experience this. We won't accept anything less than what we really are.

That's what most teenagers in my school would identify love as (mostly organic portals - they don't even feel emotion either though). I don't classify love as an emotion, rather a connection. I have parents yet there's no emotion going on that's attaching us.

What you once experienced with a lot of those girls is called "infatuation", not love. I know I have experienced one, but luckily I was sharp enough to stop getting into infatuations.

Infatuation does last quite a while but weakens over time.
Love practically doesn't 'end', it does not end, deep down it doesn't. It strengthens over time.


I have chosen to see the people suffering of the world a long time ago, but I will not force myself to save them all. Only when the time is right, I can. Right now, really, all I am able to do is 'plant seeds'. As most would work together planting seeds. We don't do this from the mind, but the heart. We just won't force ourself to do so.

In a military, people would want you to stop having ego and go down into the action without having your egoistic perspective.

Interesting, z3n3rg, I have been doing some tricks to help fuse the subconscious and conscious. In the state, I would have more controlled mind rather making my mind slippery (Whoops, I thought of that thought). I've been concentrating a lot on awareness lately. In 4d, being aware of yourself being aware. INTENSE CONCENTRATION is what I like. I'm also aiming for higher awareness.

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Dunno. Stopping the mind is a full - time business, not something you can turn on and off. And bringing the "sub - conscious into the conscious" only keeps you trapped in the mind, anyway. That z was able to come to this on his own is quite impressive, but half - stepping does more harm than good. You are still trapped and controlled and directed by the other levels of the mind. A good start needs a good finish.

Carry on.

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Re: The Dead Series.

What you once experienced with a lot of those girls is called "infatuation", not love. I know I have experienced one, but luckily I was sharp enough to stop getting into infatuations.

Infatuation does last quite a while but weakens over time.
Love practically doesn't 'end', it does not end, deep down it doesn't. It strengthens over time.

In-fate-uate-ion and Lo-we

What is Love?
How can there be love ANYWHERE in this world when it looks like it does?
We are yet to know the meaning of Love.
Love has so far been utterly abused by all man kind - so the Love that you speak of is love of the mind, for the mind nothing more nothing less.
Realize that everything you have defined yourself as and of has been of the mind - the mind being separated from who you really are can not even contemplate what love is.
Are you sharp enough to realize that?

I have chosen to see the people suffering of the world a long time ago, but I will not force myself to save them all. Only when the time is right, I can. Right now, really, all I am able to do is 'plant seeds'. As most would work together planting seeds. We don't do this from the mind, but the heart. We just won't force ourself to do so.

You chose to see the suffering a long time ago - and what have you done about it?
Realize that it is not about saving anyone but YOU. You have to start with you, stop your mind and start birthing yourself.
Ones you stand clear and stable, in equality, only then will you be able to assist other beings to in turn realize themselves.
As long as you do not realize this most fundamental basic - you will never get anything done but to continue and support this perpetual loop that we are all in.
So, stand up and take responsibility for you.
For-ce yourself. What meaning do you put into that word?
If you do not dedicate yourself, do not whole heartedly put everything you have got into your process then you might as well close the door, and we'll see you in the dimensions. There are NO half measures. So you do what it takes, from a standing point of equality and oneness to get your arse in gear.

In a military, people would want you to stop having ego and go down into the action without having your egoistic perspective.

The military - what is the military?
Is it something separate from you? Something that government separate from you has put in place to keep you 'safe'?
Are you separate from government?
Realize that what you see manifested in this world, you have manifested, as have we all since we are equal and one.
So the military would be one manifestation of ultimate separation would it not?
Of course - a mind created separation would only support mind systems, support control in any way shape or form so that all can continue in fear - separation
What we are doing here is stopping all that mind contains of, because mind is but a system, in separation from you. Yet again - when that is realized - you will allow yourself to apply yourself?

Interesting, z3n3rg, I have been doing some tricks to help fuse the subconscious and conscious. In the state, I would have more controlled mind rather making my mind slippery (Whoops, I thought of that thought). I've been concentrating a lot on awareness lately. In 4d, being aware of yourself being aware. INTENSE CONCENTRATION is what I like. I'm also aiming for higher awareness.

Intense CON-Centration?
It is not about controlling the mind it is about STOPPING the mind. Nothing of mind can exist in order for you to actually start living. Are you allowing your process - or will you continue playing games?
The end of games - Game over

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Re: The Dead Series.

Do you even know what you're saying? You keep repeating "stop the mind, stop the mind". Have you even yet to stop your own mind and tell me how it is?


How are you even sure we have not felt Love? It doesn't have to be felt, it's there. What the government lack is integrity nowadays so you can't blame my own mind for manifesting that event.

Also, nice Destenian viewpoint, 'Dimensions'? I don't need to take every information from Desteni. I don't agree with stopping the mind, because it's not something you can just shut off. And the 'Dimensions', I have to disagree on their existence because of false removing acts. Such as removing chakras, hyperdimensions, channeling, ascended masters, ect..

There's a lot that I can counter that with my experiences. Not a self-experience but with my friends who do this. And you're probably going to reply with something like "It's a back-up of the mind consciousness system!!!!"

"Technologically designed mind systems designed technology"

Well, if it's technological, show me how it works then. Yes, proof, so what? Deal with it. This needs logic. Information from Desteni I really have to doubt about.

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

I read your thread re: density food chain. You theorized that different "levels" of reality (separation) fed off each other, which is a perfect description of a mind system in action. Not Life or Oneness and Equality expressed. Just some byzantine vampiric flow -chart of a "dog eat dog" mentality. Imagine -- an existence that feeds on itself!! A worthy model of the mind in action. Maybe it could have been called, "dense city fool chain."

No "proof" will be acceptable to you, Spi. Minds are preprogrammed systems that suppresses life. The nature of the mind is technological, and the technological projections have suppressed life and freedom rather than expressing such things. Yet, you deny what we have brought forth. Yet, you keep responding to this thread that you sworn to leave. Maybe something inside you is drawn to this message. Hmmm...

One more thing. You don't "feel" love. You become love by living it. And when I look at the world and the divisions and separations, I don't see many living it.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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282 Reply by Sandra (edited by Sandra 2007-11-28 11:37:39)

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  • Registered: 2007-11-25

Re: The Dead Series.

Hello Spi,

I love your openness. You really understand forgiveness and love.
Self forgiveness is the same thing as forgiving others as long as you don't forgive others "because they just don't know any better and you do".
And about love, its not a feeling of: " I feel so great about you because you feel so greet about me". It's the connection between people without judgement.
This explains why some people don't get that wink. In the end, it's about having lots of people you connect with arround you, just like you said.
I love reading your posts, but please stop reacting on Destanians. You know they don't agree, just let it be. Go on doing what you do best, which is being wise and finding YOUR true way by following your heart. Don't get slowed down by sidetracks

Love, Sandra smile

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I wanted some help with the food chain, it wasn't a complete project. It was based on what laws of the physical and metaphysical would process in getting energy. Also, the information was collected incorrectly and I made some mistakes. And told I needed tweaking.
I make mistakes and so do dimensionals (9:07).

If I'm disturbing you, kid mongo, I'll leave then. I came back only because I wanted one more retry, showing you I'm not simply afraid. I also had some stuff I really wanted to talk about. Just to let you know, if the time might come and Desteni material is not of your best interest - I'm here to help. All is not lost.

Sandra, thank you for your kindness. Thanks for all of you for a nice chat. z3n3rg, thanks for your post - It assists me so I will later on increase my awareness. And I'll be going.

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Spi, don't try to manipulate by saying you're "disturbing" me. I've been honest and open and I hoped you'd respond in kind.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

20 pages. Might be time to start a new thread. The Dead Series 2.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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