Money as debt (Page 2 of 3)

Money itself is just a thing of neutral value. It's use in society as the means of human exchange is where the damage is done. Money at the foundation of society's "engine of motion" implies -- make that demands -- that life must be earned (distorted perception). That "being" is of no value, "doing" is the only valid existence in a physical universe.

The use of money -- the implied "need" for it in order to exist in whole form in the physical -- is the biggest lie and squash of truth and spirit we have here. It's the strongest linchpin to the "old way" man has difficulty letting go of in order to open to something new and more true. Most minds cannot conceive of life without money, which in itself is very telling. It's use denies our divinity. Not because money does this, but because the belief in its use cannot help but do this.

The paradigm of beliefs that flow from having money as the basis of human exchange comprises the cornerstone of man's imprisonment at the physical level. The use of money upholds the lower self as the measurer/determiner of quality, value, validity and worth... of life itself. It promotes a false sense of balance, fairness and integrity. It limits and skews perceptions of possibilities.

Allowing realizations of this depth into one's consciousness goes far further in "changing the system" than any outward action ever could. When enough people making up the mass consciousness hold this understanding of the limitations of the current monetary system, the momentum of that force of consciousness breaks through the old limits and opens many minds at once to new solutions for social paradigms wherein mankind can thrive and flourish. Where the whole being can exist in valued prominence in a physical format (not just the action-taker/do-er/money-earner aspect)...

If You cannot view this talk of Ian's on Your computer...it is well worth it to get to a library or a Friends and view and listen.
Part I
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … gold+north
Part II
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … gold+north

This IS what is really going on...many of You here already know this deep inside of Yourselves...that memory just has to be re-awakened.
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Thank you for those links.  I sat through both of them and I am most impressed. 

I'm getting accustomed to certain shocks finally.  For instance, I read David Icke's, "And The Truth Shall Set You Free" and he likewise, filled most of the volume with historical fact and documentation, and it was all seeming upfront, truthful, logical, consistent, good evidence, full of facts.  Then he threw the alien reptile thing in there and I couldn't handle it.  So I found something to show his book was not entirely consistent.  It was his assertion that the Piri Reis map of Antarctica's land-mass was identical with a recent land-mass map we acquired through seismic readings back in the 1940's.  Of course everyone knows Antarctica's land is under a mile of ice, or whatever thickness it is, I forget.  He shouldn't have used that example, because that map from the fifteenth century was not comparable to what we now have.  It was enough for me to have doubt for everything else in his book.

Now, these two utube video's on the other hand did the same thing: he displays his evidence before throwing a shocker at me, but I have not seen any discrepancies.  Now, I also have enough of my own foundation of understanding that I was able to follow the video's and think to myself, "yes, yes, I can follow you on that."  I'm now wanting to go out and turn all my cash into gold.  Only three years ago it was barely $400.00 an ounce, now it is over six.  I don't what to do, maybe I'll sleep through it all.:D

Thanks DanB, and Siriarc, you are up to your usual excellence this thread, which Ayahuasca produced with perfection.

There is only one question right now.  If our money is worthless, wouldn't we have inflation?  Wouldn't, let us say, a loaf of bread be priced at 10 or even 20 dollars a loaf?

I don't know what the PLUNGE team is, gcg, but those two video's that DanB posted links to, were very convincing.  If we are in an age where ethics usurps power, how do the rich elite who supposedly rule global governments, with the intent of having us as slaves for their pleasure continue doing this?  Also, I've been studying ethics for some time and it is hard to narrow down to  universal principles accepted globally.  I guess if ethics is to be uniform global driving force, there must be something collateral to it, such as some sort of global expansion of consciousness enabling a more lucid image of what ethics are based upon.  Oh, I remember, what it is that we all must learn to develope, and rely on: Intuition.  Jumping out of the mind, the tool with many limitations.  And simply knowing. 

With ethics being the global force, we will probably see a bunch of government types used as scape-goats with a replacement for us that will be a pedestal upon which the epitome of integrity will shine forth and lead us grandly into this new age.

Actually, I haven't a clue as to what the hell is getting ready to happen.  We will more than likely be presented with more information, thoughts and images than our feeble minds can cope with.  A cue for me to once again stress the message being spread of the importance of INTUITION.

Maybe the very rich elite are not trying to DO all these evil things to everyone.  Is that a possibility?

"But first of all another thing must be understood, namely, that knowledge cannot belong to all, cannot even belong to many.  Such is the law.  You do not understand this because you do not understand that knowledge, like everything else in the world, is material.  It is material, and this means that it possesses all the characteristics of materiality.  One of the first characteristics of materiality is that matter is always limited, that is to say, the quantity of matter in a given place and under given conditions is limited... Thus if a certain definite quantity of knowledge is distributed among millions of people, each individual will receive very little, and this small amount of knowledge will change nothing either in his life or in his understanding of things.  And however large the number of people who receive this small amount of knowledge, it will change nothing in their lives, except, perhaps, to make them still more difficult.  But if, on the contrary, large quantities of knowledge are concentrated in a small number of people, then this knowledge will give very great results.  From this point of view it is far more advantageous that knowledge should be preserved among a small number of people and not dispersed among the masses."

Page 37, "In Search of the Miraculous."  By P. D. Ouspenski.

I just threw this in and don't know why.  It is also stated in this text that knowledge does not denote understanding.  Putting names to things doesn't and neither does increasing knowledge.  In the text, understanding is related to state of being.  My personal take on 'state of being' pertains to what higher grades consciousness has expanded to and merged with. 

When we are talking global events and the relatively small number of people dealing with events that manifest in seeming illimitable number, it is hard to make judgement calls, even when it appears an appropriate mass of evidence is put before us.  Now if, we had all the truth, logic, evidence, consistency, and fact at our disposal, we would find that every government has been guilty of some crime in more or less degree of number and magnitude.  We would also find that nations of governed people possess this as well.

Okay... so we borrow tons of money from China every year. We in turn use that money borrowed to buy their stuff. Who exactly is doing the borrowing? Are business corporations borrowing from China? Or... do American business corporation borrow from American banks which borrow from Chinese banks? Maybe that's how it works...

China and other countries who's economies that are flourishing due to American spending are going to continue to lend America money as long as we keep buying from them and accelerating their growth. There will come a time though when our currency is so devalued that we cannot buy as much from China anymore. Once we are not meeting China's standards of how much they want to sell us, they will stop loaning us money. They cannot possibly do this all at once though, because that would hurt their economy as well...

I'm reading a good book right now. It's called "Empire of Debt: The Rise of an Epic Financial Crisis" and it's by William Bonner and Addison Wiggin.

So America has more money going out than it has going in. It is spending more than it makes. It has to continually borrow more and more to survive. So... massive retail corporations that sell things in America that they buy from China... they don't make enough profit to expand their business off profit alone? Do they have to continually borrow to stay competitive? Is it this insane competition that is keeping massive corporations borrowing tons of money? Are major corporations borrowing money?? Or are they being financed by borrowed money from our government? Hmm... looks like a got a little more reading to do...

I am just tired of having a vague understanding of how the world of economics and power works. I mean... all I basically know is that an economic depression is going to happen sometime with the next few years, that a small minority of people have tons of power and are orchestrating events, but I don't know exactly how everything is working. If you know that other countries don't want the U.S. to fall, because their countries would also in turn experience a huge upset it is important to know how exactly this all works. I want to know who is loaning the U.S. money, to who it is loaning the money to, and how much power the global elite have. What are their exact interests. I want to know where all of their assets are so we can then know their motivations. I mean... I'm sure they are not perfectly unified. There has to be overlap in the global elite's interests, where the interest of one leader of an industry is what another leader of an industry doesn't want.

You can't get a clear picture anywhere it seems...

I want to know what a country with the largest military is going to do when it no longer has anything near the economy it once had.

I'm assuming the countries that want to loan the U.S. money are the ones that are selling the U.S. goods. Other economies around the world are becoming more and more powerful as the U.S. economy becomes less and less powerful.

It's good to know who has leverage in the world economy now.

It is also good to know how things will unfold when we do experience a crash. We will need order for sure. If the dollar is no longer worth anything then there will have to be a period of time inbetween the failure of the dollar and the adoption of the Amero. How will people be buying the necessities? Blah... i just want to figure out how it is all going to work.

So if the M3 accounts for all CDs over 100k then that would mean there is a lot more potential out there for banks to loan money out if they maintain the 9:1 policy...

I can't stand not understanding something, it makes me go crazy.

You can't really outsource retail labor though, or distribution warehouse type of work that is located in the U.S. Sure manufacturing jobs are going to be outsourced and many jobs requiring educations, but you can't outsource jobs like construction, warehouse, retail shops, restaraunts, and so on. These jobs though will shrink in quantity of people start buying less. People start buying less if they can't afford to buy anymore. They will buy less if they can barely scrape by do to the rising cost of living. The cost of living is rising, because of inflation. The dollar is weakening, because the U.S. is importing more stuff than it is buying and the stuff it is buying is off of credit. This credit is money created out of nothing. If it stopped buying then retail stores, gas gas stations, and all merchandise in general would go out of business. Our country has to continuelly keep buying to stay in business, because our economy relies upon buying to keep the dollar up.

What would happen if people stopped buying all the useless crap they buy and instead saved it? The U.S. companies that sell stuff that is produced elsewhere would go out of business and in turn all the employees they have would be fired.

So it is obvious that in order for the U.S. dollar to stay afloat it has to continuelly buy more and more, which means borrowing more and more on all levels (poor, middle class, and wealthy.) We, however, can't borrow forever, because the dollar is continuelly decreasing in value. So slowly, the dollar will continue to decrease in value, buying will go down. As buying goes down, more U.S. businesses will go out of business and will therefore take lots of jobs with them. A lot of business in America depends upon trafficking foreign goods. This decrease in buying will provoke the nations that are lending us money to not lend us anymore, because why should they? They were lending us money in the first place, so we would growth their economies for them. If we are no longer buying their stuff, there is no longer any reason for them to lend us money.

Once we are no longer being loaned money, tons of American businesses will go out of business, because their lifeblood was money that was lent. All their employees will have to quit or will be fired. America has tons of foreign investors. When foreign investors see that American business is going downhill and that the dollar is weakening, they will pull their money out in mass, which will cause American's also to pull their money out in mass in U.S. investments. This will cause the dollar to plummet very very fast.

So now that the dollar has plummeted, what will people do? They can't go buy food, because the grocery stores that spent all that invested all their loans in more and store improvements won't be able to afford their monthly payments. They will have gone out of business. If they do decide to sell stuff they aren't going to want any dollars that's for sure. They will want things of value. What will they want in exchange for food that they have? They will probably accept gold, silver, and any items of value. What items of value will there possibly be? Will they except furniture, tvs, computers, electronic equipment, cars? Everyone will absolutely need to get rid of everything they possibly can to survive. Grocery stores and convenience stores will not be able to handle of this stuff. Because no one will be able to afford cars or transport them, because they can't afford gas, they won't be of any value. Places of exchange will be created. Gold and silver will indeed become a new currency. Gold and silver Jewelery and gold and silver coins will become a new currency. To obtain this new currency you will have to exchange things of value for the currency.

The bank will own most apartment complexes and households. They will either be seized or there will be measures introduced to let people keep their house as long as they have a member serving in the military. The army will have to be called back from Iraw to supervise. Our government will simply not allow for mass chaos in it's own country. How are people going to work???

The only way people will be able to work is if the entire system is socialized like a communistic state. There will have to be government projects introduce. The government will have made deals with or seized all farm land, water supplies, and power plants. This will be a huge crisis in homeland security. The president will have absolute power, because of the severity of this crisis.

What type of work will the government create for us? If almost eveyrthing isn't privatized, where everything is purely government orchestrated what will happen. They absolutely will not want us to be unemployed, because there will be way to many riots and crime. They may not want the people taking to the streets in revolution, but will they even have a choice in the matter? Can they possibly create a ridiculous amount of jobs quickly enough. Where will they even have the money to fund such projects? Are the bankers going to step in and invest all the riches they have gained into government projects?

Who would bother lending the U.S. money if we can't pay the debt for a very very very long time? America will become a third world country very very fast. All of our tvs, computer equipment, possibly even cars will be shipped off to other countries, because those will be the only things of any value that we can get. I see eBay being a major source for all of this to ocurr. Other nations of the world will all of sudden gained all the materialistic items of North America very quickly. The wealth of America will have quickly been transferred.

What is going to happen to all the other countries when the U.S. economy plummets? They export tons of stuff to us, and they import stuff from us too. We probably won't be able to export stuff any longer, because all efforts will be directed towards selling things in our own country. Many companies will flat out bail on the U.S. and take their companies elsewhere.

What is going to happen when the nation that has the largest military in the world also happens to collapse? Tons of tax money goes to government employees and contracters like Haliburton. When tax money is no longer coming in and no countries are lending to them anymore. The size of our government will probably shrink pretty fast. The power of our nation will be in the hands of an even smaller group. A very small group will be in charge of the world's largest military. How is this going to affect global politics?

Is the entire global elite incahoots? The richest men in the world are the bankers and the owners of the largest corporations. First of all... who are the global elite? I'm sure there are super duper wealthy men all over the world. Are they all a team. Do they all go to meetings to discuss how to best take over the world? Or are they in opposition with each other? With their enormous wealth they control the governments and militaries of the world. They bribe the political systems, rig elections, use blackmail, lie, and threaten to get their way.

So which of the global elite will be controlling the U.S. military? I'm assuming the entire global elite doesn't control ALL THE MAJOR MILITARIES. There are elites that control the U.S. military, there are elites that control the Russian military, there are elites that control the asian militaries, there are elites that control the european militaries. Some of the elite's control multiple militaries. Are they all on the same page? Do they all want to ally? Or do they want all the power to themselves?

It is going to require lots of food, electricity, oil, and resources in general to maintain the U.S. military. Where will all of this come from? Are elites going to invest their money into something that does not bring back any monetary gain?

Will their be an enormous war or are the global elite all unified towards a common purpose, a New World Order?

Well... that's about all I'm going to write for now... It defnitely has clarified a bit in my mind.