Topic: Looking for opinions regarding Pod People/Money correlation

After reading a post in the Pod People thread that seemed to suggest that owning a Hummer (or I suppose any high priced material item) meant being a Pod person, I am really curious to get some opinions from other posters regarding this.

Does earning a large income and purchasing items considered high value go hand in hand with being a Pod person or is it possible to do so and not be a Pod person?

We have new pods that moved into our neighborhood. They drive around in a white Hummer. When the "podcop" next door found out about it he was so impressed. He's like," man, he's in marketing, I should have done that. Look at all the stuff he has!" Than he goes on to say,"we have to live paycheck to paycheck". Geez, but they seem to be able to go on all these trips with their three kids, hire professional landscaper for their yard, have 2 cars,etc.,etc.  When my husband and I lived  paycheck to paycheck (sometimes we still do) we werent taking vacations and buying things, we were looking for ways to cut back so as to have enough to pay bills and feed ourselves. We still only have one car, and we manage fine.  So the "podcop" is sure to  make friends with the new pods because, ohmygod, they have a........HUMMER!

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Nothing prevents anyone from owning a Hummer if they had enough money, except common sense and higher priorities in life than projecting images of material success. I think the term "pod person" applies more to those who adopt that lifestyle, who have either lost their individuality to social programming and matrix-oriented goals, or else never had individuality to begin with. So the descriptor "pod person" would include both "souled but asleep" and "not-individually-souled" people.

But what makes "pod person" very descriptive for some people is when they don't have a shred of individuality or higher interests in their lives and therefore are like clones of each other, striving solely for those goals and images programmed into them by the matrix. It's like an impressionable lump of clay that takes the shape of whatever mold presses on it, and the same mold therefore produces the same shape over and over.

Material success in itself is neutral, it's more a question of what it serves. Does it serve your genetic programming to be part of the tribe? Does it feed your ego to rub it in the face of those less successful? Does it give you a feeling of immortality that soothes your ego insecurities about the inevitability of death? Does it let you pursue endless distractions to help you ignore that emptiness within? And so on.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

3 (edited by Sunshine 2007-10-17 16:43:51)

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I guess my main intent was to find out why someone automatically deemed a family "pod people" because they moved into the neighborhood, owning a Hummer.

(and no, I do not own a Hummer, but that's not why I started this thread.  I hope a few other posters can chime in with their feelings about career success/money/owning perceived material high end items in regards to being a Pod person)

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I guess my main intent was to find out why someone automatically deemed a family "pod people" because they moved into the neighborhood, owning a Hummer.

Can't speak for that person, but considering the high purchase and maintenance costs, the low gas mileage, and the irony of an off-road combat-ready vehicle being used more for urban trips to the grocery store, you have to wonder what what non-pod justifications there could be for owning a Hummer over more efficient, earth-friendly, and utilitarian alternatives.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

5 (edited by Sunshine 2007-10-17 18:13:14)

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montalk wrote:

I guess my main intent was to find out why someone automatically deemed a family "pod people" because they moved into the neighborhood, owning a Hummer.

Can't speak for that person, but considering the high purchase and maintenance costs, the low gas mileage, and the irony of an off-road combat-ready vehicle being used more for urban trips to the grocery store, you have to wonder what what non-pod justifications there could be for owning a Hummer over more efficient, earth-friendly, and utilitarian alternatives.

While I personally detest Hummers, I do own a Range Rover.  I'm a drummer and need something big enough to carry my drums and equipment.  Rather than purchasing a Van, I decided to purchase a very comfortable, luxury SUV.  I didn't do it for status and I didn't do it because I am not concious about the environment (although I do believe global warming is more about natural climate change than it is about me having a vehicle that doesn't get good gas mileage).

I purchased my Range Rover because it's a very comfortable car to drive, it's big enough to hold all my equipment and I can easily afford it (I hope being successful and earning large amounts of money for doing something that is certainly not in the "POD" arena doesn't make me even more of a Pod to those who seem to judge this way).  Am I supposed to purchase something less appealing to me because people are going to blindly judge me and misinterpret my actions?

Maybe I should have been more specific in my reasoning for starting this thread.  I think too often that people are quick to judge based on a belief system that they've created for themselves and it's too bad.  Life is VERY subjective and everyone is different.  No one has ANY idea how someone has earned their income, how they truly spread that income in spending (including charity, self discovery, helping family/friends, bettering ones spiritual life, etc.) and where they are truly coming from.  I mean, unless it's COMPLETELY obvious (like the neighbor fawning over the neighbor with the Hummer).

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Its funny but my employer makes a lot of money and a stranger at a restaurant or other public place wouldn't make that conclusion when around him.  At work he will talk about these people who have this air of self importance, seemingly based on the things they own and the large amount of money they make.  I used to work around alot of people like that and would also get angry.  Now, it helps remind me of how I am all too often prideful and arrogant.  So I don't react to pretentious people with anything but humility and kindness.  I put an effort to be that way, at least.

A way that a certain group of people are made pariah, is the fact that many people when in conversation always somehow turn the topic toward their 'things' and the money they make by discussing car payments, cell phone bills their children amass, etc., and increasing numbers of people just work to survive, barely.  Others can't work for whatever reason.  I don't know where I'm going but that I'm bringing up the different levels of material success and the total lack of it, within our society.

I've read something along the lines, that a wealthy person has more likely success at threading a camel through the eye of a needle than entering into heaven and maybe that would be true if they felt no suffering or torment from the feeling that there is something missing, that there must be more to this life than the ease and luxury.  I think it is possible that many people are capable at amassing wealth because of the same qualities that also make them a benefactor to many others. 

Then I guess there are the ascetics who give up all material desires to end the cycle of lives, or become a divinity.  It is possible I imagine, that people don't strive to make short their number of lives they have to live.  Maybe they say, wait, I'm not yet perfect enough, I think I will keep experiencing within matter and duality.  I think that would have to be a pretty hardy soul.  Acceptable quality of life can be tenuous.  I am just playing with a concept; someone who knows not to create very grievious karma because the goal is to continue living as many lives as possible before advancing to what comes after human stage of evolution.  In other words, I'm just babbling on and on.  Must have been something I ate.:)

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Re: Looking for opinions regarding Pod People/Money correlation

Sunshine wrote:

After reading a post in the Pod People thread that seemed to suggest that owning a Hummer (or I suppose any high priced material item) meant being a Pod person, I am really curious to get some opinions from other posters regarding this.

Does earning a large income and purchasing items considered high value go hand in hand with being a Pod person or is it possible to do so and not be a Pod person?

We have new pods that moved into our neighborhood. They drive around in a white Hummer. When the "podcop" next door found out about it he was so impressed. He's like," man, he's in marketing, I should have done that. Look at all the stuff he has!" Than he goes on to say,"we have to live paycheck to paycheck". Geez, but they seem to be able to go on all these trips with their three kids, hire professional landscaper for their yard, have 2 cars,etc.,etc.  When my husband and I lived  paycheck to paycheck (sometimes we still do) we werent taking vacations and buying things, we were looking for ways to cut back so as to have enough to pay bills and feed ourselves. We still only have one car, and we manage fine.  So the "podcop" is sure to  make friends with the new pods because, ohmygod, they have a........HUMMER!

Actually, that was my quote.  I dont deem someone a "pod person" just because they own a Hummer, but think about it. ( Lately, Im trying not to label people at all. hmm)  Im sure a lot of folks on the forum would agree with me here on how difficult it is living your life awake and aware, and having people around you that are completely clueless to what's really going on.  Let's face it, people buy things of that nature because it feeds the ego, its a status symbol. Its what we're "fed" to give the illusion of happiness and to be like everyone else.
I identified those neighbors as "pods" because they are all about how much material wealth they have. They have no genuine interest in even conversing with any of the neighbors because we are not of their status level. They care not of what their expensive consumption affects have on the environment (not only do they have a Hummer, but a HUGE pickup truck, 4 all terrain vehicles, motorcylcles, etc)
You can tell people like that dont think for themselves at all. They believe everything they hear and see on the TV, and then follow the herd.
I think Montalk said it all. People like that just fit into whatever mold is projected at them.
Oh by the way, the podcop next door isnt impressed with the Hummer people anymore. He figured them out pretty quick.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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"pod people" are "happy" following trends and fads and buying toys to distract them from wondering about the big ?s.  they don't care about spirituality or helping others.  they don't care about making changes in their lives or the lives of others, they only care about what "the government" will do to make things better..."the government" that they "elected". 
they cannot conceptualize a way of life where there isn't someone around to hold their hands and tell them what to do and how to do it (government, religion, police, media's talking heads).
they feed the ego and let themselves be fed by it, thinking that they are doing what they are "supposed" to be doing, as "good americans" or as "good xians" or whatever. 
they believe that their material possessions are what makes them who they are.

one of the problems i encountered when i tried to do the buddhism thing was the anti-material possession stance. 

i now understand that it's not having things that is bad, that its the level of importance that you place on the the material things that is harmful.  let's face it; you need to have some things to get by in the world, and i don't see anything wrong with having say,  a computer or a digital camera or a car that you want or whatever.
it's when that car (or whatever) becomes more than a thing; its when it becomes a statement of who you (think you) are and a status symbol that the trouble starts. 
pretty soon it's not just the car that defines you, it's the way you dress. 
or, how someone that owns a car like that "should" dress. 
and how a person that drives that car and dresses that way "should" act. 

what could a machine or device have to do with your character and your behavior?
who cares what sort of clothes you wear?

it used to be that as a rebellious teenager, you dressed a certain way because you wanted to separate your self from "the herd"
and if you dressed like a punk or goth or whatever, there would be the jocks that would pick on you and beat you up because of your style, especially for having liberty spikes or dressing like a punk or because you skateboarded instead of playing sports. 
but now, the kids that have their mohawks and faux-hawks and dress like rock stars, they are the jocks, and the ones that aren't are dressing that way because they want to elicit the hostile response from the so-called "squares" and "norms" and from their parents....just so they can have an oppotunity to say, "i'm an individual with my own style and i don't care what you say!" 
the cause and the effect have become reversed.  i have a 18 year old niece who thinks that she is an individual because she dyes her hair all kinds of wacky colors and dresses a certain way.  but if we went to a mall, and i closed my eyes for a second, she would blend in with all the other individuals with black hair.
it's like satanists.  they belong to a group that shouts about how individuality is so much a part of their philosophy, and all the guys and girls dress in black and listen to the same music and watch old movies especially with the marx brothers and cream their black jeans over anything that says "devil" or "satan" or "hell", or laugh their asses off at anything that mocks xianity.   
they should just call themselves "anti-christians". 
sorry, i went off on a tangent.

"pod people" don't care about spirituality or helping others.  they don't care about making changes in their lives or the lives of others, they only care about what "the government" (surrogate parents) is doing to make things better..."the government" that they "elected". 
they cannot conceptualize a way of life where there isn't someone around to hold their hands and tell them what to do and how to do it (government, religion, police, media's talking heads).

of course, these are generalized statements.  i know some "pod people" that while they may not speak philosophically or ask big ?s, they are still decent people. 

and while i don't think it's right, i can understand that there are some people who may want to give their children and their wives/husbands/significant other's things, because maybe they didn't have any things when they were growing up.  and now that they have the money for it, they choose to spoil their family. 

personally, we didn't have a lot of money growing up, and i still am uncomfortable and unsure of what to do when i do have large sums of money (which isn't very often). 
maybe i have a fear of "success", but that's a topic for another time.

as for anyone buying a hummer or SUV...that is completely unnecessary, unless you live in a mountainous area and actually need to have 4WD vehicle.  but no one living in an urban or urbanized rural setting could possibly have any intelligent reason why they need a military-type vehicle that seats 17 people to go shopping or to drive the kids to soccer practice or to church.

my parents had a 4 door sedan and a compact car when we were little.  and that was enough for me and my brother and sister.  we also didn't wear seat belts, but that was the 70s/80s.
and we certainly didn't need dvd players in the car or portable dvd players or video games to keep us amused and distracted.  when we went on vaction, we looked out the window.  we read.  we talked to each other.  we played games.

The "what should be" never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no "what should be," there is only what is. 
-Lenny Bruce

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There's a term I learned back in highschool economics.

Conspicuous Consumption.

Unneccessary items acquired only to impress one's peers, and to give momentary satisfaction regarding whatever the original purpose of the "product" was.

You've also heard "money is the root of all evil".

No.
Money is a tool.

"The LOVE of money is the root of all evil"
is how that was originally supposed to be construed, I think.

So yes, conspicuous consumption, and LOVE of money are two giant OP markers.

These SUV imbeciles will stab the
brakes for a pebble in the road. And they're the first ones in the ditch when a blizzard hits. Infuriating, and downright hilarious, respectively....

   J

Happy to have been a part

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I was thinking the other day about this for some reason and i came to the conclusion that conspicuous consumption was a symptom of Stokholm Syndrome. I would say these pod-people are relating to there elite slave masters via emulation.

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This is probably not directly linked to the OP but i have awlays bought the best of things i can afford.
The best food, the best bottles of wine, beer, the best tobacco, the best tools, organic food, the best walking boots and rain proofs etc  though certainly  not of the top of the range in most cases and we are by no means rich with a below average income.

I feel if one skimps through fear of lack that is what you attract.  I always seem to have enough money for these things as we are not  materialistic in other ways  cant remeber the last time i bought new clothes, or material gadget type things, we have an old TV and DVD player and only use the mobile phone about twice a year.
Our neighbours who are on twice the income we are are in debt to the the roof on the other hand.
So we dont buy a lot but what we do buy is the best we can afford.

I appreciate quaility engineering  so i would buy  say a Lexus SUV if i could afford one, not to show of or because of my ego but because they are big enough for my family, safe and very reliable, i drive round in a Toyota  because thats the best engineered car i could buy for the money at the time and its big enough for the family.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Je suis d'accord, mon amie,

I agree with you Barefoot Doc.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

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Welcome marklar... "relating to their slave masters through emulation"

I agree with that somewhat, the thing is, most pods don't seem to recognize the higher echelon control, (blind consumerists, not esoteric researchers) so they are in effect trying to be upper echelon. I think what you said does indeed play in.

Doc, I dont think you have any reason to worry. Appreciation of the finer things does not IMO immediately relegate one to OP, or pod status. I drive a shit-kicker Taurus. Really not in bad shape, considering it's a '93.
But my choice in vehicles reflects my abilities, also. Even if the engine craps out, I'll have a replacement in about two days, and I'll swap it myself. I could literally drive the same car until the end of time. And I flat out refuse to throw my money at payments.
I get remarks from time to time about my seeming total lack of vehicular vanity.

"You're a good looking guy, why don't you drive something that reflects your personality?"

Hehe... I do. I'm practical, utilitarian, and cheap wink

I think it's all about stretching and maximizing, that's my philosophy on the matter.... but each to their own.

  J

Happy to have been a part

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Unfortunately their soul realized before incarnation that it could have a lot more money in life if it sacrificed a little bit of human intelligence, so the choice was really a no-brainer.

Alas I jest.

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

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now i know whats wrong with me.  im always skimping.  i get screwed one way or another. so i always go 'cheap'.  for fear of lack.  i play so many games with that, that issue in my head, and so many what if's im mentally ill from it.  im so afraid there wont be enuf and ive been cheated so many times, im all about that and wear that problem on the sleeve.  i dont believe that you DO get what u pay for.  unless its wages.  not products since most suck and r trash. i think its BS.  a good way to overcharge ppl.  but im listening and wondering.  BTW--the gutter guy completely f*cked up, just like i knew he would.  and why did i use him? because i thot hed be cheap. and he wasnt but he tried to stop me from overpaying him by guessing what i should be charged.  i felt bad about that and backed myself in a hole.  i didnt want to cheat him so i overpayed him for a shit job.   what in theee hell?   i have some bad issues on this.  and it has to stop.  i have to start over now or get him back to fix the mess up.  im an ass. in order to punish myself, i made myself work today.

i can hang with ape.  im practical,and cheap too.  loved what he said.  and all was fun to read up there.  trading intelligence for more dough in this incarnation --thats a good one.  i can dig it.  that shoe might just fit.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"