31 (edited by FreeSpirit 2007-08-28 15:23:57)

Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

I agree with Namaste's point of view - the elephant analogy fits like an elephants glove (on an elephant of course).
I've been through the whole route of checking in at Jones, Rense, Icke and all the usual suspects for my daily dose of doom and I still take a look now and then just to be aware of  things from all angles whether disinfo or not just in case I miss some vital clue or breaking moment in history. The bottom line is that is has taken me a long time to realise that all of this almost without exception is just another alternative to cnn (or whatever 24 hour news channel it might be). The msm has the same shock jock tactics down to a subliminal art when viewed by the average person. The line between msm and alternative is getting narrower every day as the tentacles of the machine run deep and wide with their unlimited funds and time. If Alex was a real danger to the agendas he would obviously have been put on the Cooper/Schneider express out of Dodge a long time ago, although death or disappearance still doesn't prove to me whether genuine or not as it can be played both ways now that the precedent is set.

It's just Distraction/entertainment and the opposite of Viagra for the alternative mind that thinks that in aligning with like minded individuals through electronic media that somehow that is better than just switching off and taking a walk out in the natural world and airing all of your bits and remembering that this is all transitory and part of a process that needs to be cleared. Whats the point in getting so riled up in tandem with Jones and crew that you are shouting and shooting at the moon in defiance of the PTB. Shooting a dinosaur with a pellet gun.  Distraction. Intentional or not the objective is achieved. I don't care anymore whether Jones or Icke is disinfo or not or what the real agendas are because the true power of remaining true to our original spiritual intent is to see everything whether dark or light from an objective point of view and not an emotional one where we become part of the dense ball of wax that is taking up so much of our energy. I haven't fully achieved that yet - I am still working on it but each day as I withdraw a little more from the hive stream I feel that bit closer to the/my reality. I want to fish in that stream at will but I don't want to be carried along it to an unknown destination by some shouting fool.

On a personal note - people that shout at me whether it be in rap videos, modern metal bands, fire and brimstone preachers or radio talk show hosts, turn me off immediately whether truths or not. Just shut t f up and give me peace.

This topic is a parallel to my own personal journey as I see it as the exact same thing as when I have had an excellent day - one where I feel my energy levels physically, spiritually and also creatively building to a point of needing release or expression (like the power of the universal sexual energy), and instead of going into my own space (not myspace god forbid) and writing a song or some music and creating something worthy of that feeling I instead put on a Led Zep/Stones/Beatles/Hendrix/Floyd (sometimes even modern) cd or dvd for further inspiration, and unintentionally diffuse/negate or expend that charged energy through that vicarious moment.
Precisely the design and intent of many of these people (even if not accepted or understood by them). I don't think it is worthwhile to debate whether disinfo or not any more than the debate that continues over the years about 911 or chemtrails or whatever. Debate is a skilled scholarly trick of keeping you busy trying to prove the unprovable to the unswayable debunkers 'til the end of time instead of really doing something  about it or more realistically doing something about your own little orbit closer to home (the hardest task in my opinion).   

montalk wrote:

Something to ponder and figure out:

    What is the difference between a disinfo agent who says 5% lies, and an honest researcher whose errors make up 5% falsehoods?

The answer to that, to me, is - Absolutely no difference. No discernable difference other than that based on endless debatable opinion. And therein lies the sting in the tale of all info/disinfo. The world could really be square with rounded edges but there just is no way to know for certain using external sources other than your own limited ones or adopting traditional acceptable norms. Things are not always as they seem and they are subject to change.

We all do this anyway don't we? We repeat stuff that appeals to us and gloss over the bits that don't really make sense or have less impact. But are we spreading disinfo to friends and family inadvertantly or are we acting as catalysts for subtle change with those few gems hidden in amongst the rubble? That is the big mistake the PTB or whatever you wish to call them have made. The hornets nest has been stirred and they can blow smoke all they want. The very people they have hoped to use have actually been their undoing in many ways. Once you introduce an alternative path or view as in 911 (the big turning point), the mere fact that an alternative could exist becomes a huge force even though the possibilities become endless. The danger and the trick is not getting bogged down in the alternative to the quicksand with the same ultimate conclusion.

32 (edited by InAllHonesty 2007-11-03 09:41:11)

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Hello everyone,

  This is my first post here, sorry it's going to be sort of negative, but we all know that the truth takes on many forms, and dosent have to be pleasant. I've been analysing the webs vast cache of information ever since the 9-11 event, and I believe that Alex Jones is indeed working for the establishment for several reasons, but I'm only going to elaborate on one of those reasons in this post....... "Ron Paul" .... Those of us who have observed AJ's work know that he is aggressively supporting Ron Pauls campaigne. We also know that AJ has thoroughly disected the bilderberg group and most if not all of its members, as he clearly displayed in his most recent film "End Game".... Anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time connecting the dots can clearly see that the politicians we see on display for public consumption are just front men (puppets), and the puppet masters are your big foundations (NGO's), and corporate interests. Alex Jones has clearly demonstrated having knowledge of these facts, and the inconsistancy I have noticed is right out in the open. The politicians are front men, and the foundations, corporate interests, and other NGO's are the hands moving the chess pieces... Now why is there so much emphasis towards Ron Pauls campaigne when we can clearly see that the politicians have no real say in the agenda? This looks to me like a form of double think. Shouldnt the emphasis be directed towards an entirely new approach, something independent of their system? Ron Paul is operating inside the system, "their system" (The matrix). It's the system itself that is the problem, not the front man... This is the main thing that has me concerned about AJ's work, and his credibility as far as bringing pure undistorted truth to the eyes and ears of the masses. It just seems to me that if you are going to wage war against the NWO agenda, you need to establish your base of operations outside of their system. It's kinda like being inside of some office buildings internal network with no external link to the internet, no matter where you navigate you're still within the bounds of that network which is ultimately controlled by its administrator. The administrator will always have the ultimate say no matter which computer within that network you use. Just like Morpheus said about the agents in the Matrix movie "They are guarding all the doors They are holding all the keys."

Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

InAllHonesty wrote:

I believe that Alex Jones is indeed working for the establishment

Good for you.   It seems like every day lately, another researcher who has spent years trying to bring important information to public awareness gets bashed by some nobody, who accuses them of secretly working for the "other side."      All the major names who people credit with waking them up: broadcasters like Alex Jones and Jeff Rense, and the researchers like Jordan Maxwell and David Icke.     

I know people who used to read all their books, listen to all their radio programs, check their websites daily, starving for the information they could not get anywhere else.    Then, after a few years, they finally had gotten the nourishment they needed, and no longer felt compelled to pay daily attention to the latest updates from their former teachers.   Now that they had found their own path of learning, they even began to pick up bigger and better ideas, and begin in many ways to move beyond what they had been taught by these people, and started to see some of these public figures' own limitations.

Well guess what?   These people are human beings too and are not God Almighty.   Some of them actually have human failings.     Maybe Alex Jones actually believes that, despite how far gone things are, supporting a pro-Constitution figure such as Ron Paul is actually a good idea (GASP! yikes)   Maybe  Jordan Maxwell has pictures taken with other famous people he has met at conferences, some of whom are more important or credible than others.   Maybe David Icke has tried to use his name to demand more money from people than he was supposed to get, or has a girlfriend on the side that his wife doesn't know about.   Etcetera, etcetera.

I can't speak for you, but I think A LOT OF THE PEOPLE READING THIS will have to honestly admit, if only to themselves, that people like these have been instrumental in helping them to learn things that they would not have gotten anywhere else.   That doesn't mean we have to love them or have them over for dinner.    But perhaps we ought to show them just a little bit of respect and consideration for the work they have done which has been of benefit to us.    Unless you have a REALLY GOOD REASON to do so, you are WAY out of line to accuse Alex Jones of anything based on such a flimsy premise.    His supporting Ron Paul is NOT a reason to call him a sell-out by any stretch of the imagination.   It's not only wrong for you to do so, but it is SO far out of line as to actually be really offensive.     

I agree that the system is totally beyond hope of repair, but the fact still remains that Ron Paul is out there advocating a return to Constitutional government, and actually getting some mainstream press, and I humbly suggest that his campaign is a very GOOD thing, even if he's trying to work within a broken system.   Because of Ron Paul, and because people like Alex Jones are out there to provide him a platform, A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE who have never thought about freedom or cared about politics are starting to awake from their apathy.   Just because they're not yet ready to deal with hyper-dimensional physics, time travel and reptile-aliens DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE ALL WORKING FOR THE DARK-SIDE.    They might just be at a lower level of awareness than that which You, In All Your Glory, have attained. 

So my response to your quote above is:   What have YOU ever done to help educate your fellow man?    Because I already know Alex and the others mentioned above have done.   But strangely I have never even heard of you; to me you're just another anonymous voice on the internet.    For all anyone knows, YOU could be the one "working for the Establishment" by trying to discredit and destroy the people who are risking their tails trying to save us all.      Based on the available evidence, that seems more likely to me.   But unlike you, I'm smart enough NOT to make ignorant accusations against people I don't know, so I'll just end my comments here.

34 (edited by InAllHonesty 2007-11-03 13:59:35)

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morningsun76 wrote:

Good for you..

Well this is getting off to a lovely start.

morningsun76 wrote:

supporting a pro-Constitution figure such as Ron Paul is actually a good idea

The so called constitution was set up inside a masonic lodge by high freemasons, and the people of the nation had absolutely 0 say in its conception... It's just a circle within a circle, part of their system that Alex Jones is still ensnared in, it's so obvious, his behavior, his arrest in NY just before the release of his new film End Game (bravo on the publicity stunt) as well as his truth movement gimp Luke Rudowski. He's a 21 year old kid, and somehow he manages to shoot his mouth off at all these high profile press conferences all over the country, and never gets arrested or roughed up by the po po.... Now that reeks of freemasonic culture creation to the highest level. The so called truth movement is operating on the exact same formula as every other movement through out history, all it is doing is creating oposing factions within the same circle, it's been the establishments M.O all along "divide and conquer".... The whole thing is a psyop.... And yes I believe 9-11 was an orcestrated event, that's a no brainer, it was the catalyst for something much bigger... A tipping point you could say... And I believe that a lot of these patriot radio hosts, especially Alex Jones are contributing more to the problem than to a solution.... He tells the truth, but he is using propaganda techniques to promote hostility towards governmnent, thats just going to lead to trouble... There has to be a different, better way to effectively neutralize out of control governments, and hostility has proven to be ineffective through out history, thats just what they want.

Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

InAllHonesty wrote:

The so called constitution ...

The "so called Constitution," with the attached Bill of Rights, created one of the incredibly few governments in history to explicitly protect certain rights and freedoms of its citizens.   And despite its many failings, it resulted in the USA being a country that stood out to the world as a beacon of hope and a place where people from all places and backgrounds chose to immigrate in hopes of a better life. 

InAllHonesty wrote:

... was set up inside a masonic lodge by high freemasons, and the people of the nation had absolutely 0 say in its conception

That's probably the case for just about every government on Earth.   When have the people of a country ever had a direct say in the formation of a new government?   Even assuming for the moment that this is indeed the test of a "legitimate" government, I don't think it has ever been logistically possible to give all the people a say in all the all the decisions.    Perhaps it could be accomplished somehow today using the internet.   And freemason though he may have been, George Washington argued for a government based on the rule of law.    When he was informed that many in the army wanted to crown him as the new Monarch of America, he rebuked the idea and said no idea could be more disagreeable. [reference  ] The whole point of the war was to get rid of the whole idea of Kings, period.

InAllHonesty wrote:

he is using propaganda techniques ...

What is your basis for this accusation?   

InAllHonesty wrote:

... to promote hostility towards governmnent [sic]...

He is?   Again, what is the basis for this statement?  I've never heard him advocate violence.   If simply reporting on the activities of political leaders constitutes "promoting hostility," then I'm all for it.

InAllHonesty wrote:

There has to be a different, better way to effectively neutralize out of control governments

A better way that doesn't involve paying attention to what's going on, and discussing it publicly?     What would YOU suggest?   I think nowadays a lot of people are looking for solutions.   If you've got one, please do share it.

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I'll get back with ya on this, right now it's Miller time, and this one is going to take a little bit of work to present my case effectively....And I dont like blogging when I'm drinking  smile

37 (edited by InAllHonesty 2007-11-04 11:18:28)

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Ok, I'm going to attempt to break it down, and give a basic over all explanation of whats going on. This will establish a baseline critical thought process that might jump start your ability to see through the matrix with a little more clarity. I stated that Alex Jones and other patriot radio hosts are running a psyop, I can't say that Alex Jones is doing this out of ignorance, because he knows way too much to not have the capacity to put it all together. I'll start with the elite power structure.

[center][size=24]Basic Power Structure[/size][/center]
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At the very tip top we have what's commonly reffered to as the illuminati, those are the top dogs running the whole thing. Who they are speciffically is a mystery, but there is over whelmingly persistant evidence that they do exist. The above diagram isnt the most accurate because the secret society groups are actually intermeshed through out the entire system from the top all the way down to the pesentry at the bottom, as you can see in the below diagram.

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[center][size=24]Intergenerational Agenda AKA "The Great Work"[/size][/center]
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You have to keep in mind that this thing didnt just spring up out of nowhere over night. The elite families of this world operate intergenerationally. The agenda spans across entire generations, and those who are pushing it can only complete small portions of the over all plan within a single life time, hence the term "a work in progress". Each step of the agenda is passed down to the next generation, gradually inching its way to completion. The things we see happening in society today were planned out hundreds if not thousands of years ago. It takes decades to move society in very minute ways unnoticable by common folk who only think within the length of their own individual life spans. Think tanks do all the logistical planning for everything, NOT THE POLITICIANS!! Everything that happens within the social structure of society is never a surprise, it's all thought out way in advance and executed from the top down. Anything grass roots coming from the bottom up that interferes with the agenda is quickly squashed. Anything that comes from the bottom up that works in favor of the agenda is allowed to continue doing so, wether those involved are aware of it or not. Usually the way it woks is through funding, and grass roots organizations will go in the desired direction by simply manipulating the money.

[center][size=24]Propaganda[/size][/center]
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Understanding propaganda, what it is, and how it is used is probably the best defense against deception available for anyone. Propaganda has an extremely wide range of usefulness, it's a science. And anyone who masters it can manipulate huge masses of people into believing anything, and its applications are not limited to the mainstream media, propaganda is used everywhere. I'm not going to explain what I know about it, but I can point you in the right direction towards learning about it yourself. These are a couple books amongst many others I have read on the subject, one of these is even refferenced in Alex Jones film "Terror Storm".
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[center][size=24]Conclusion[/size][/center]
The more you learn about these systems and techniques, the more obvious the manipulation becomes, and the easier it is to see right through it without even having to bother digging through endless pages of distorted information. This mess we are in took generations in the making, and if it is even possible to do so, it will take generations to undo it.

Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

Another teenager who has read a few conspiracy websites and now presumes to be "the teacher" for everyone else.     

The subject of this thread is Alex Jones, not Illuminati 101.     So far everyone has just been presenting lots of allegations and theories about the guy.    There's nothing substantial in any of this, not even anything that makes me think "well, maybe."    All I see is a big guy from Texas, a recovering "good-ol'-boy" who's trying to do what he can to help his country.    The bullhorn and the excitement are a bit much for me, too, so I don't listen to him.    That doesn't make him an agent of Lucifer.    I like him.     

And to those who suggest he knows more than he talks about publicly on the air, I can guarantee you the same is true for any public figure, ESPECIALLY those who talk on ANY subject of political significance.   Get real.    Let's not forget that Jones calls himself a Christian on the air and caters to a Christian audience.  So OBVIOUSLY he does have a bias.   That's clear from the get-go.     

Again, the main point I would suggest that the overall net effect of his work is to leave people more knowledgeable than less, and on EXTREMELY important subject matter, so it is foolish to attack the guy like this.    You're biting the hand that feeds you.  ALL of you out there reading this, again I ask the question: what have YOU done for your fellow man?    Alex Jones has done a huge amount.

Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

You completely missed the point dude, clearly it's over your head, and I'm not discussing it anymore with you.

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InAllHonesty wrote:

You completely missed the point dude, clearly it's over your head

Okay, I can't keep quiet anymore, I'm dyin' here reading this exchange....

InAllHonesty....you're new, you don't know who morningsun76 is.  But I do.  He knows everything you've presented here, and then some.  Don't make the mistake of assuming that his responses/attitude are due to your material being over his head, or because he missed your point.   Consider the idea that his response/attitude has to do with your presumptions that he needs to be taught about the Illuminati 101 with graphics and charts...something he learned years ago, versus the fact that your material is "clearly" over his head.  !!    Just because he didn't acknowledge it and tried to steer things back on track doesn't mean he doesn't know.

Anyway, sorry, couldn't help but pipe up at the newbie who doesn't know anything about ms76 who's been around since the beginning of NR, years ago.  Now back to our regularly scheduled Alex Jones debate.....

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Re: Alex Jones: Why is anyone still listening?

About a week ago, Alex Jones made an appearance in two of my dreams one night....accompanied by two agents each time.

In the first dream, I was in a dwelling that appeared to be similar to a loft I had recently in NYC and they showed up and were searching the place (while I lived in this loft, I used to have occasional dreams with professional people in suits/agent types walking around my place and I would be like "who are you guys and why are you here?").

Anyway, I don't recall many aspects of the dreams and this post will not really contribute to the thread, but I just felt like mentioning this.  I know that I was trying to make jokes to him in the first dream while he and his agent assistants were searching my place and he just looked at me like I was a douchebag and said something like "what is wrong with you, you idiot?"...and was quite serious with me.

In the second dream, we were in a restaurant and he was across from my table, standing up smoking a cigarette.  I went up to him and said "you can't smoke in here, this is a restaurant" and he just shrugged it off.  I then went to find a manager to verify that smoking wasn't allowed.  When I came back with a manager, Mr. Jones was making his exit out the back of the place and down a big stairwell.

I realized that I had left my audio recorder (which I use to record all of my dreams) on the table I was sitting at and that there was an agent sitting around the corner from my table and when Alex Jones left, I said to myself "f*ck...I bet he got the audio off the recorder and knows all the dreams I've been having/knows that I've been tracking the info in my dreams.

Anyway, I woke up with a really bad feeling about Alex Jones, which may be unwarranted.

42 (edited by InAllHonesty 2007-11-05 10:38:24)

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lyra wrote:
InAllHonesty wrote:

You completely missed the point dude, clearly it's over your head

Okay, I can't keep quiet anymore, I'm dyin' here reading this exchange....

InAllHonesty....you're new, you don't know who morningsun76 is.  But I do.  He knows everything you've presented here, and then some.  Don't make the mistake of assuming that his responses/attitude are due to your material being over his head, or because he missed your point.   Consider the idea that his response/attitude has to do with your presumptions that he needs to be taught about the Illuminati 101 with graphics and charts...something he learned years ago, versus the fact that your material is "clearly" over his head.  !!    Just because he didn't acknowledge it and tried to steer things back on track doesn't mean he doesn't know.

Anyway, sorry, couldn't help but pipe up at the newbie who doesn't know anything about ms76 who's been around since the beginning of NR, years ago.  Now back to our regularly scheduled Alex Jones debate.....

Lyra, did you read the whole post? Did you read and understand what I said about the agenda? The propaganda? This information has everything to do with the subject matter of this thread. You guys have to understand that when it comes to media, the subject matter of information is only part of it, the methods used delivering the message is just as influential if not more so than the information by itself... Instead of argueing with me, take a few minutes, check into the books and see for yourselves.... I'm just the messenger here, dont attack me, I'm just making an attempt to share my findings with those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.... Alex Jones delivers good information, but I'm telling you guys it's a psyop, his delivery methods resinate with hostility, and he knows it. I can see right through it, and it scares the hell out of me because he is influencing a very large audience that has no idea they are being manipulated, and I have a strong intuitive gut feeling that some how Ron Paul has something to do with this. I cant quite put it together at this point, but I know there is a link.... It's a psyop, there isnt a doubt in my mind about it.

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InAllHonesty wrote:

Lyra, did you read the whole post? Did you read and understand what I said about the agenda?

Yes.  But did you get my point about the fact that morningsun76 already knows this information?  And therefore, that's exactly why he didn't acknowledge it? 

It's not because your material "clearly went over his head" or that he "missed your point."  It's because he already knows it.  And you made an assumption that he didn't, and that you needed to step up and become the teacher, teaching him about Illuminati 101, as he put it.

That's the point I'm trying to make.  That your information did not go over his head.  That you made back to back assumptions about what he knows, and where he's coming from.

As far as the rest of your post goes, I could care less, although I'm sure others may be interested.  I only butted into the exchange because I couldn't stand to read your assumptions about ms76 any longer.  It was getting ridiculous. But I'm not interested in the rest of the exchange.  I'm not debating you, because I don't disagree with you.  So carry on.

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Atleast I can say I have learned one thing here, people have definately been dumbed down, instead of focusing your attention on the relevant information, you just want to go back and forth over the irrelevant stuff.... I'm leaving this forum, I mistakenly assumed there were intelligent critical thinkers here, obviously I was wrong.

45 (edited by DarkStar 2007-11-05 11:16:54)

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Oh wow hmm

(Edit to note this was directed to InAllHonesty)

"I (may) not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
        -Voltaire