16 (edited by lyra 2007-10-11 13:40:29)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Sowelu wrote:

Or this one, specifically targeted at the left/right brain phenomenon:

http://sowelu.seibernet.com/say-the-col … e-word.gif

(In this last one, for instance, I have no trouble at all saying the color, not the word. But it's a little more work for me to say the word and ignore the color. Tends to indicate right brain dominant, but not to a debilitating level.)

Ha, I had such a hard time trying to say the color and not the word.  It was like, green............red..............blue................yellow...................pauses between each word as I forced myself to say the color. But I could read through the words just fine.  Then it was like, yellowblueorangeblack, boom boom boom, just whipping right through them super fast, the font color was irrelevant.  big_smile  I think though that I may be both right and left equally.  I'm too artistic and intuitive to be fully left, but am heavy with the words and logic, too much so to be right. 

I think though that there are better summaries out there on the 'net regarding the whole right vs. left brain thing, as opposed to the article that was posted at the start of this thread. 

Here's one for instance:

http://www.mtsu.edu/~studskl/hd/learn.html

They have a handy quiz you can take too.  I feel like a schizo though in trying to answer the questions, because seriously 50% of the time I'm one way, 50% I'm the other.   But a lot of people are probably like that, different situations elicit different ways of being.

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Re: Are you right or left brained?

lyra wrote:

But a lot of people are probably like that, different situations elicit different ways of being.

Exactly! I'm proficient at being left-brained when it's required (which, in this world, it has been most of the time! School, work, etc.) but my natural preference is right-brained. So I went to the site you listed, lyra, and sure enough, it's confirmed. LOL!

You responded as a right brained person to 14 questions, and you responded as a left brained person to 5 questions. According to the Hemispheric Dominance test, you use your right brain the most.

And those 5 answers were all about organization. THAT I seem to be adamant about and proficient with (clean freak).

And for me, I'd say the answers to those questions wouldn't change very much in any circumstance, unless it had to. That's pretty much how I've lived in this world... my way whenever and wherever I can have it, and "the other way" when it's required. LOL!

In fact, one of the anecdotes about right-brain folks and math is exactly what happened to me in school as a kid! I just knew the answer to a math problem, but had to show how I arrived at it. "My way" wasn't the method being taught - it was intution. Trying to explain myself was very difficult but I finally managed it. The teacher told me after class that she felt I a "natural talent" for math and should make it my major. LOL I told her I had no intention of doing anything of the sort. Just cuz I could intuit things mathematical didn't mean I liked it.

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18 (edited by Sowelu 2007-10-11 14:50:37)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

This is just too fun, so I'm mentioning it. I know there are many here who don't watch TV, I'm not one of them. Anyway... because of this thread I've been pondering the ideas of perception, reality, illusion and things of that sort. Just how much of what we think we see is really "all there is", or is there a lot more going on that we simply block out through beliefs, fears, etc. Tending toward right-brainedness (maybe that's the cause, I seem to "intuit" that it is) I tend to see far more possibilities about why anything is the way it is than most do around me, so I'm less apt to lock into an illusion... though I'm sure I have my own to dispel as well.

Anyway, so I turn on the TV and - being a fan of certain SciFi programs - I check out Star Trek Voyager, and then Stargate SG-1. Both, today, are dealing with "holographic illusions" being taken as reality, when in fact they are not. Interesting. Not so wild considering that's a lot of what SciFi is based on, perhaps... but these specific programs are about exposing how one's belief about reality has very little basis in what actually is... But that by believing what one does, it can actually lead to a meaningless death that only serves the illusion, whereas reality could withstand far more options, freedom, change, etc.  So that what needs changing is not "the hologram", but the belief in it. Essentially "Know Thyself" rather than "project thyself". *heehee*

And I can't even count how many times I heard, on both of these shows, in less than 15 minutes, the words, "None of this is real." *heehee* And then, one show has the character admit he understands it's not real, and is further corrected, "That's true, it's just a hologram. But not the hologram you think it is."

I love it.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

19 (edited by Auscastian 2007-10-11 15:22:56)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Ya know I honestly cant say for sure; but other people on the thread have noticed it as well. 

I tried to be conscious of my perceptions having some sort of influence over the object but there was none. It simply just rotates one way, then the other way after a set period of time.

As for the dolphins one that one is interesting cause right off the bat I see something different. Not sure what that means though.


That was an interesting little quiz as well-I supposed I'm pretty equal of both hemispheres; I scored 10 and 9.
Maybe that has something to do with the lady figure after all? Again can't be to sure.

Ya I like those programs as well, if anything SciFi's the only thing I'll watch on television even though I know its bad for ya wink

What I do wonder about though, is if the actors who are presenting these ideas in these programs are aware of the bits of truth they carry within, or if its simply the way they make their living?

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Sowelu wrote:
lyra wrote:

But a lot of people are probably like that, different situations elicit different ways of being.

Exactly! I'm proficient at being left-brained when it's required (which, in this world, it has been most of the time! School, work, etc.) but my natural preference is right-brained. So I went to the site you listed, lyra, and sure enough, it's confirmed. LOL!

Same here.  For instance, with these questions:

- Are you usually running late for class or other appointments?

No, I'm the person who always shows up early for appointments and interviews.  But after awhile at my jobs, it's all I can do to make sure I arrive on time.  I start running later and later every morning, begrudgingly forcing myself to trot off to work. 


- When making decisions
You go with your gut feeling—what I feel is right?
You carefully weigh each option

I carefully weigh all the options, always......then always allow intuition to have the final say.  It's completely a 50/50 process.



- When relating an event to a friend
  You go straight to the main point and then fill in details
You tell many details before telling the conclusion

I'm exactly both.  I'm totally a "to the point, on with the program" sort of person, and have zero patience for people who go on and on and on and on, taking forever to get to the point, but my stories are always filled with detail.  So you could say I tell a detailed story but in a to-the-point way.  !!


- Do you have a place for everything and everything in a place?

My computer desktop is methodically organized with all those electronic folders, same with my email Inbox, and I have files for my personal paperwork and important stuff, and everything does have its place.......but when I change my clothes I leave the clothes where they drop on the floor.  Purse and bags get dropped anywhere.  Etc.  big_smile  So it's another 50/50 mix.


- Your work style is like this
You concentrate on one task at a time until it is complete.
You usually juggle several things at once.

I do both, depending on how the day is going.  I typically work one thing at a time, but I can flip switches and turn into a juggling multi-tasker if need be, and do so with ease.  That's why I could do office work and waitressing/hotel front desk equally well.   Total 50/50, all the way.  Some people can only do one or the other, can either only keep busy and never sit still, or can only sit still and work methodically.  Not me. 


- What is your desk, work area, or laundry area like?
Neat and organized
Cluttered with stuff I might need

Both.  See above bit about "everything in its place."  big_smile   I'll leave clothes in the dryer for days and just pluck what I need out of there instead of just putting the clothes away.  Totally lazy.  I'll pluck dishes out of the dish rack for days instead of putting them away.  Clothes dropped on the floor wherever they fall.   God, and knitting stuff and books all OVER the damn place!!!  My computer desk gets buried in yarn, papers, stacks of books falling every which way, needles and crochet hooks sticking out and rolling around every which way, DVD boxes, mugs for tea and other drinks that have been sitting out for days, you name it.  But see, I know where everything is!   It's organized madness.  And with other stuff I'm anally organized, especially my work area at my jobs.  So it all just depends......


- Do you do your best thinking sitting at your desk or walking around or lying down?

I write while sitting down, but I've had fantastic phone conversations while pacing round and round and round in circles......



So yeah, definitely a mix, with different life situations calling for different ways of being..........

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21 (edited by Sowelu 2007-10-11 15:51:38)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

I have no real understanding of why this is all so fascinating to me, so please forgive if it seems like harping. Perhaps I am revealing a belief of my own, in fact that may well be the case here. It seems that I "believe" that the left brain is the self-source of illusion. That it's the portion of our brain that "believes" anything. Of course this may or may not be the case, I can't prove it one way or another to someone else, and I'm not sure when/where I developed this idea, frankly.

Auscastian wrote:

I tried to be conscious of my perceptions having some sort of influence over the object but there was none. It simply just rotates one way, then the other way after a set period of time.

For me, this wouldn't indicate that it isn't my brain, either. See... the thing I think I'm trying to bring up to the light is that we are left-brained by habit (programmed), and that habit (program) is... well... fear, at its base. We don't control it, it controls us, which is again the point. So intentionally influencing the image wouldn't work.

We'd have to believe, with all of us, for the duration, that it should move counter-clockwise in order for us to "control" the animation. And belief requires investment of emotion as well as the mind. We don't, as a race of people, tend to have that much control of our emotional energies. So we can't "believe it" into a counter clockwise motion.

But it can happen seemingly "on its own", when we actually DO invest emotionally in what is needed to make it turn that way. The energy that would shift us to our left brain hemisphere for perception. And that energy... is fear. Fear has many forms, and the most common form we experience that causes us to "fall into our left brain hemisphere" is self-doubt.

If you were to view the 34 frames as I did, you'd see there is no "real" counter-clockwise turn in the animation. But it can appear that way, based on the brain of the viewer. I finally got it to turn the other way for me, very briefly. I wanted to know why (my nature). The only thing I recalled thinking during the sudden shift was that I was thinking of those who see it go the other way, and wondered why I don't. So I watched again and it didn't shift to counter-clockwise. And it didn't. And... didn't. For many, many solid minutes. Then I wondered if I was missing something... and it switched.

It seemed the trigger was my self-doubt. That would be a fear-based energy influencing my thoughts/brain patterns, which shifted me to my left brain hemisphere. I find that fascinating. Others would likely argue it. But... there it is. Not rock solid evidence by any means, but an interesting display of potential beliefs altering reality, I suppose.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Are you right or left brained?

I actually find all of this, as well as your findings very intriguing.  You say you say all 34 frames, how, where?

So let me ask you a question what do you think the trigger would be to gaining the "control" we would like, want, desire, whatever the case may be?

I find when I try and control certain thing like this for example, I receive a certain degree of anticipation and from my experience anticipation blocks experience, so how is it you go about it without anticipating? Because I feel as If I do not anticipate I will miss the experience, as if anticipation guarantee's experience although it never does.

Im not sure any of that made sense but im hoping you might be able to comprehend?

23 (edited by Sowelu 2007-10-11 16:47:18)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

I saved the animation to my own hard drive and opened it using an animation program. It revealed 34 frames of that dancer, in slightly varying positions, that make her appear to be moving in a clockwise direction when strung together and shown one after the other (like cartoon books, where the animation occurs only when you flip through the pages quickly). So it's just the shifting from one frame to the next in rapid succession that creates the "motion".

Auscastian wrote:

So let me ask you a question what do you think the trigger would be to gaining the "control" we would like, want, desire, whatever the case may be?

I would say that first one needs to remove all fear, because it is the key wrench in any "plan" going awry. And again, fear has many forms, but at the root, it's essentially directed life force that closes off possibility, rather than opens wide to all possibility. If one desires something to go a certain way, they must be aware of whether or not they also carry an opposing energy, a fear, that things might go another way, instead. Did that make sense?

The trouble with wanting to control anything is actually because at the base of that desire is often a fear that if one does not control the thing, then it would go an unwanted different way... a way that would be displeasing, painful, considered "wrong" according to beliefs, etc. And when that is the case... control is essentially impossible. Because the being wishing to control is embodying two opposing aims, one overt and one convert. They either cancel each other out, or the one with the most "weight" or momentum is the one that manifests. And typically, fear has had the most "weight" and/or momentum in this realm, again because we have been so dominated by the energy of fear here. It's what creates this illusion... so it's the "common fuel" for so much of our experiences.

If one is not aware of what lives "under the surface of their intent", they may innocently anticipate that intent with no expectation that it wouldn't occur for them. If they are not mistaken -- if what they intended did indeed occur -- then there likely was no "something lurking under the surface of their intent". However if it does not occur as they intended, which is so often the case for us all, there is likely "good cause" lying within their own energies. Namely a counter intent borne of fear, preventing their initial hope or want.

I'm not sure if that answered your questions because I'm not really sure I understood your questions well, but it's what flowed as a result of reading your post, so hopefully it has value. Bear in mind, of course, that it's simply my view of these things and may not suit another.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Yes it very much indeed answered my question.  I suppose your right regarding fear being at the base of most "control issues".

Do you think there would then be a difference in "controlling" your fear as opposed to "removing" it? If one were to have control over ones fear one that essentially be the same as having it been removed? Can all fear be removed? Is that possible?

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Haha! Great questions! And they're at the base of mankind's pursuits, really. My own opinion and experience says fear cannot truly be controlled in order to "excuse it" from an intent. It can only be eliminated as a factor so as to have no influence in that intent. And yes, in my opinion and experience, fear can indeed be removed. When one gets to the core of what it actually is, and faces that source inside. But as long as the arena for facing fear is external... no, it can't be eliminated. Because the source is not "out there", it's "in here".

When we use the energy of control on fear, we are adding to the weight of fear. What I mean is, the need to control stems from fear. To attempt to control fear, one is increasing the fear energy. This will eventuate in what is feared being made manifest. Simple energetics, really.

In my own opinion, this is abundantly evident in the criminal system here in the States. Or "the war on drugs" or "the war on terror" or any number of other attempts to control what one fears. By attempting to control it, one actually manifests more of it.

The source of fear is internal. The evidence of fear will result externally. Clearing it up inside will clear it up "out there" in everything one sees, creates, etc. But maintaining it internally and "trying to keep it controlled or under wraps" doesn't eliminate it at all, and actually fuels it to grow. Because ignoring it once one is aware of it, is another form of fear. Avoidance, ignorance by choice in the face of truth, denial... these are all forms of fear.

Again, in my opinion and experience.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Are you right or left brained?

All of which you say makes most sense to me and I thank you for sharing this with me.  This conversation is actually something that I've needed to hear for a long time now. As of late I have been in very serious states of depression and social anxiety to the point where I keep myself in a room all day long, throughout the next day and so forth.  I have this fear of people, and their opinions and views on myself; fear of embarrassing myself, not being accepted etc.  Its gotten to the extreme end of the polarity where I consciously avoid my parents so I don't have to confront another person.  Ive really been struggling with this issue and have been living in denial about it, and when I do accept it I tell myself I'm not going to do anything about it, and if I fail I fail.

Its really been a rough time for me, I just hope I will take some of what you say and actually utilize it to benefit myself, because honestly I'm tired of this repetitive behavior of mine.

Re: Are you right or left brained?

Ohhhh I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, Auscastian! I'm no stranger to depression so I completely appreciate the state you describe. I wish you well on your path and in your efforts. The true desire for change is indeed the first step. Then... witness while the universe comes rushing in to assist you on your way. Best to you!

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Are you right or left brained?

How were you able to save the animation? And what program are you using?

29 (edited by Sowelu 2007-10-11 22:25:36)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

I just right-clicked on it and selected "Save Picture As...". It saves as a "gif" file, which I then can view in my Jasc Animation Shop software (nothing special, and I have a rather old version, I believe).

I thought I'd pull out some of the frames and post them here so you can see how the lack of distinct detail likely lends to the ability to perceive either clockwise or counter clockwise motion, when shown in rapid succession.

Here's frames 1 and 2:
http://sowelu.seibernet.com/frame1.gif http://sowelu.seibernet.com/frame2.gif

In these first two frames, it's not very clear whether the raised leg is closer or further away than the main body, nor if it's the right or left leg. Is her back to us, or is she facing us?

And here's frames 25 and 26:
http://sowelu.seibernet.com/frame25.gif http://sowelu.seibernet.com/frame26.gif

And the same kind of confusion exists in these two still frames, as well. Which leg is raised? Is it the same in each? Though they are shown here in the same succession as in the actual animation (frame 25 first and then frame 26), can you see the subtle differences in body shape, which can easily suggest the body in different motions?

I'm not sure how to word this well, but the way the images are designed allows for the brain to "interpret" for itself which direction the image is rotating. If she was in color and clearly detailed, the potential for either/or both wouldn't work.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

30 (edited by Auscastian 2007-10-11 22:56:31)

Re: Are you right or left brained?

I'm beginning to see exactly what's going on here.  Whats also interesting is I gave the image another shot, and found it oddly enough when I focused my perception opposite to what I was "believing" before, the figure would change and vice versa! smile