1 Topic by PhiConcept (edited by PhiConcept 2007-10-10 09:28:29)

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Topic: Everything about meditation

I'm only a beginner at meditation so I decided to post this thread in hopes of getting some insight from experienced meditators (if that's the right word).  I've read a book from Jose Silva on 'Mind Control' and his methods on visualisation, it does sound a bit like new age but the methods described in his book are nonetheless interesting to read about.

The type of meditation that I'm currently beginning to get into is the 'Mindfulness Meditation' where one concentrates on breathing.  Does anyone have any pointers of knowledge and information on this type of meditation?

I've also tried to meditate in the water, where I would suspend my body on some type of floating device and relax the muscles to a point that only my neck muscles would be working to keep my head straight.  In this type of environment I experience a sort of release and pleasurable feeling in the area of the forth chakra.  Has anyone else tried to meditate in the water in a state of full relaxation?

Peace, PhiConcept.

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I've done Silva Method and it works. Lately though, I've been fiinding it hard to silence the "noise" of daily life/thoughts/activities in my head. Whenvever I try to meditate I can't concentrate. sad

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3 Reply by PhiConcept (edited by PhiConcept 2007-10-10 15:00:19)

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Shoogie wrote:

I've done Silva Method and it works.

I've experimented with Silva's method for a few days and I concur, it does work.  I'm only a little concerned about the visualisation technique.  Montalk wrote a good article about YCYOR (you create your own reality) and the Silva method kind of reminds me of this new age (YCYOR) technique.

Shoogie wrote:

Lately though, I've been fiinding it hard to silence the "noise" of daily life/thoughts/activities in my head. Whenvever I try to meditate I can't concentrate. sad

I've actually read that while meditating, you shouldn't force the mind to silence 'noises' but accept them and slowly return the concentration on whatever it was that you are meditating on at that particular time.  Supposedly with lots of practice, 2x10 minutes per day, it gets easier to concentrate and stay in a meditative state without distraction from 'noise'.

  • Registered: 2007-07-30

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Mindfulness meditation is like meditation 101.  That's what everyone starts out with.  It is useful for beginners who have trouble calming their minds.

I don't know why you want to meditate, but I meditate to free myself from own ego and get in touch with my inner spirit.  The idea is to dissociate with it by stopping the flow of energy to your mind.  You are right about not forcing your mind to silence the noice, because if you do that you are adding more energy to the mind.  You observe your conscience mind without judgment and watch for any feelings and sensations in your entire body.

But if you only want "Christian" technique and everything else is off limit, Christians meditation has two types - meditation and contemplation.  Meditation for Christians is about picking a Bible verse like something from psalm and cite it over and over.  Contemplation is about projecting your mind onto something like Yahweh or Jesus and listen to the Holy Spirit.  Eastern style "quietitude" like what most people talked about in this forum is officially a heresy.  But let's suppose you don't have an obsession for obedience for now.....

But the most important thing you must realize is that meditation is not actually about sitting in a quiet spot with your eyes closed.  Eventually meditation is what you must do at all times.  You will be in a constant state of awareness and a state of no-mind even when you are doing things like working, exercising, or having a conversation with someone.  You use your mind only when the situation demands it, but you must return to a state of awareness after you are finished using your mind.

It is really difficult to do.  So everyone starts out sitting in a quiet spot with eyes close to build up your mental muscle.  One thing I find useful is that I make the habit of meditation first thing in the morning.  That way you "lock in" your awareness for a long time.  I usually lose it by the time I get to work, but sometimes it lasts longer.

The last time I was able to be in a meditative state of no mind for a the whole day, everything becomes vibrant.  Almost everything I saw became alive, especially living things.  It was a wonderful experience.  But I got exhausted at the end of the day and was actually sick for the next few days due to a cold.

But I hope this helps.

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Jesus answered, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?
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Phiconcept, that meditating in water sounds wonderful - I'd love to try it if I ever had the chance.    With just what you are doing it can be taken very deeply, a meditation technique doesn't have to be elaborate or have intricate visualizations.   Anything that gets you in touch with the level of consciousness underneath your thoughts and sense impressions is working, and then the more time you spend in that state and can hold that state like Joeman talked about the more real and vivid life can be.     I would argue beware of anyone who tries to highjack your meditation path with their own status of "expert"  (and that includes me if I get too uppity here)...truth is you'll know what technique hits the spot, you'll know better than anyone else can tell you.   So sample it all like a huge buffet, but in the end what works for you best may be unique to you.    Here's one example, for about ten years of my life I only meditated laying flat - all sorts of people told me, no no you must sit straight with your spine just so, or keep you eyes open (I kept mine closed) but you know what - what I did worked great for me at that time even though many refused to believe that I wasn't just falling asleep!   These days I do sit up instead because of some health issues that make lying down less comfy, but I wouldn't say it affects the quality.

There was an excellent book can't remember the title though that I read many years ago that had forty different meditation techniques from different traditions.   It was a ton of fun to try them out and I found a couple that became mainstays for me.  Maybe there's a recent version of it out there you could have fun with.

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I would like to thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences with me. smile

joeman wrote:

I don't know why you want to meditate, but I meditate to free myself from own ego and get in touch with my inner spirit.

To be honest, right now I'm enjoying meditation for the purpose of clearing my thoughts and enjoying a peaceful 10 minutes or so, everytime I meditate.   I'm sure there are good advantages to meditation for a better life in general and I'm hoping to see the results in my own life soon.

joeman wrote:

But if you only want "Christian" technique and everything else is off limit, Christians meditation has two types - meditation and contemplation.  Meditation for Christians is about picking a Bible verse like something from psalm and cite it over and over.

As far as the christian meditation goes, I certainly do not see anything negative about it.  Psalms in general have quite an interesting selection of verses, but I'm certainly not limited to meditating on them. 

I'm more interested on quieting any thoughts within my mind and/or learning to accept them in a passive and most certainly positive way.  Sort of like accepting everything for what it is and being able to understand everything without a clouded view.

Vajra wrote:

With just what you are doing it can be taken very deeply, a meditation technique doesn't have to be elaborate or have intricate visualizations.

Well, the first time I've tried to meditate in a 'monk' posture I was uncomfortable and the uncomfortableness wasn't allowing me to relax, so I tried it in a comfortable sitting position and it worked. 

The first time I tried to meditate in the water was incredible and I do recommend that everyone that has access to a pool, tries it. 

Also about the visualization meditation... Isn't it sort of what Montalk wrote in his article about YCYOR?

http://montalk.net/metaphys/68/true-rea … ion-part-i

In 'True Reality Creation' article Montalk wrote:

First, YCYOR fools its followers into believing they are more spiritually evolved than they truly are. Such New Agers are lulled into a false sense of security, an overestimation of their abilities and invulnerability, and thus fail to prepare against random accidents or attacks from negative forces.

Second, the practice of “manifestation” often becomes an act of black magic when used irresponsibly. Black magic is the manipulation of higher forces by lower individuals to their own spiritual detriment. For example, when corruptly implementing “manifestation” through visualization, ritual, chanting, or meditation, one can circumvent one’s life mission or agenda, extort one’s Higher Self, and violate the freewill of other sovereign humans.

Vajra wrote:

There was an excellent book can't remember the title though that I read many years ago that had forty different meditation techniques from different traditions.   It was a ton of fun to try them out and I found a couple that became mainstays for me.  Maybe there's a recent version of it out there you could have fun with.

I"m definately going to research some more literature on this subject.  Do you or anyone else for that matter have any good suggestions as far as good meditation books go?

Peace, PhiConcept.

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Hi Phiconcept, thanks for the link.   I hadn't yet read Montalk's take on YCYOR and I am yet again amazed at the insights.    But as far as visualization and meditation I wasn't referring to that at all.   Just that many meditations involve focusing on an object to develop one-pointed awareness.   That object can be your breath, a mental sound (mantra), or sometimes a visualization or focusing an actual real object.    And I've left a lot out, but you get the idea.