SURVIVAL of the entity- Ascension? (Page 1 of 3)

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That's a good point lala.    Love and compassion can express in many different ways.  It's easy to get the idea that we must set our mind and heart in a certain way and then go out and express the same to everyone.  But each person we meet is an individual.    So really we have to let go of our preconceptions about how to act.  Yes we have some good examples and guidelines from history's best "lovers" [eg. Jesus and Guatama] but they did not always suffer fools.  Some people were healed and praised while others were rebuked.  It all depended on where the master felt the person was coming from in consciousness.  So although some superb guidelines are given for our inter- personal interactions [eg. the Sermon on the Mount which is Buddhism at it's best]  the inner God consciousness should be the ultimate guide.

I think it's important to realise that we must be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves".   This entails realising that not many people on earth are fully God realised.  Also, in a darkened world inhabited by karma beings,  not everyone's consciousness is relatively good and relatively evil either.   Some people on earth are absolute evil incarnate.   We've all met people in situations where you cannot let down your guard.  You just know there is danger.  It may not be physical danger but it may be astral, where you sense that you could be breached and penetrated  [by forces controlling the other person] if you are not carefull.   Sometimes, to act firmly is to be God in action.   Sometimes.

One more comment that is relevant to lala's post...  I know that not everyone here is a fan of Jesus [some believing he never existed] but he gives a definition of "unconditional love" on his website  www.askrealjesus.com  His definition explains why he confronted some people in a very firm way and rebuked them.  [ please don't try this at home without some level of spiritual integration  ]

In the question / answer section Jesus explains that he was not "conditioned" by THEIR state of consciousness. ie.. Rather than give up on people caught in the traps of very dense consciousness he [ as the embodied Christ] was willing to speak into their OUTER ear what they would not hear in their INNER ear from their own Christ Self.  These people were controlling the masses through a dead letter religion. They had turned a deaf ear to the inner Spirit and had effectively silenced it.  Their own ignor-ance [of the inner spirit] was taught to their followers so that they effectively neutered the Spirit within the masses.  This state of affairs was the basic reason for Jesus' public mission.  The controllers of the people would not acknowledge the living Word [the Spirit] within themselves nor in Jesus when confronted by him.  Rather than acknowledge the Christ in Jesus and make the necessary changes they fully rejected him and conspired to murder Jesus to silence the Christ.  They would have no changes thank you very much.  Their lower ego's were in charge.

Before reading that explanation of 'unconditional love' i had not thought about it like that.  Jesus' willingness to awaken them to their inner Spirit was not conditioned by their unwillingness to accept truth nor conditioned by anything they might say about him or do to him.  Gentle love and absolute tolerance of everything is not the middle way.   If it was then change would not always have the catalyst it needs.

feedbaxlow wrote regarding compassion:

This view makes compassion a passive quality, or actually, a non-quality, a type of neutrality. My experience of true compassion is that it is very active, and is very intense on an energetic level. Don't compassion and goodness have forward movement, intent and intelligence just like the other side of duality? Every discussion on NR forum seems to come down to this same question: are good and evil real on a qualitative level or is everything just a shard of consciousness colored by a different aspect of energy that we interpret with the mind? Is the soul a real and valid spiritual construct that experiences not on just this plane of existence but in other realms as well? And does it matter what the soul experiences, as in can it be violated and harmed and do we have the right to not prefer certain harmful or "evil" experiences as individual souls? Otherwise why would we bother incarnating and trying to do things and achieve things other than survival during this incarnation? If everything that "is" is just something we must accept and not judge, try to change, obstruct or interfere with-where is the positive and active experience of goodness? Why not just become robots like we are being indoctrinated into becoming, anyway?
I do remember reading Castenada saying something about Don Juan saying that a sorceror cannot have compassion, along the lines of that to have compassion you have to be able to see yourself as the other person, to put yourself in their shoes, and that when going along the lines of sorcery you have to totally own your path of power and of not being sucked into the human drama. Similarly, if every time we see someone less fortunate than us, we think: there for the grace of god go I, this is not compassion, it is basically guilt about being somewhere else on the continuum that is not such a hard physical act of survival.
So I think that there is a big gap between true compassion which is active, and guilt which is a reaction about owning your own level of power in 3-D.
But, I do not accept everything without judgment that is applied to my spiritual experiences here on earth, and this is part of having compassion for myself as an incarnated being: I do not wish to suffer and I do not want to allow others to cause suffering in other beings.-lala

Lala- survival is not neutral or passive, it's negative... it has violent intent lurking within.
Survival becomes: Eat or be eaten, kill or be killed.
Observing is active and results in freedom (immediately or eventually), goes beyond mere survival.

Apparently, we "bother" incarnating because we cannot do otherwise given this deeply conditioned process of interpreting what we see and hear from our programming. It is very difficult to "see" or hear things without interpreting from previous associations.
For westerners: Judeo-Christian's false religious indoctrination biases us!
It's everywhere. TV movies school parents church society. All saying: you must be something.
You cannot do nothing.
Why not? Because then you would be beyond the reach of hive mind that needs your agreement to control you and make their mass of unconsciousness "choice"! You MUST believe, worship, spend, dream, love... or you are not defined.
Do something, anything. A desperation "to be" is the basic underlying motive that fuels "life" and rebirth into another round of competition, conflict and violence. (violent because: if i identify with self, nation and race, that makes me defensive and dangerous. That identifying makes for the need of negative "survival").
It is possible to see this and rest tranquil... stop and observe.
This "not doing" is the greatest "act" possible.
Every act of so called "goodness" and compassion comes out of this seeing clearly.
It takes a great amount of energy to simply observe in presence!!!
Try not reacting to things (like my previous post)... it isn't easy, it takes inward presence...
or great passion and patience for truth
What the Buddha called right action comes from right understanding.

If you are a part of this culture there is nothing more frightening to you than to be invisible, nobody, without identity.
Don't you see that we are conditioned by this... unless you grew up in a cave?

It's very subtle, but we feel the guilt you mentioned before.
On some level, we feel we should be "doing" something to be worthy.
Is it because the culture had been divorced of the sacred feminine? (so called "passive" because is not reactive or "doing") Intelligence that just is, without the need "to become" to perceive rightly.
awareness sees this neurotic need "to be" and "to do" and acts by dropping it, allowing energy to be freed up.
This freed energy allows more awareness.

Awareness allows perception. Seeing IS changing! It is dynamic. It is never done yet there is nothing specifically "to do".
"passive" or "active" are just words, the truth goes beyond duality.
Can't be understood verbally, until it's experienced, like anything else learned directly...like riding a bike.
the "gateway" is when the the "me" is in obeyance, not trying...just open and receptive
words are dualistic by nature
so cannot express the ultimate reality that is, witnessing all this
what is comprehending this

Agreed!
Because Casteneda was writing fiction to get his point across, he used the words "sorcery" and "power" but they aren't necessary for this quote to work!

(I will touch on a couple of different posts so I hope it flows)

I agree lala,

It IS a powerful statement, because not only is THAT battle outside you, it is inside you as well.

Until you awaken you are living by one set of wisdoms. The wisdoms that TPTB can manipulated. They are that wisdoms of the 3rd D, that affect the body, the hormones the cravings that are insatiable that can keep distracting you. The are the ones that bring about the business of "if it feels good do it" as well as "if you hit me then I'll hit you back". That help you feel good too because you can be a "good person having "compassion" on whom you want. They are the wisdom from below(here in 3D)

All these distractions keep you from waking. They keep you from seeing you have choices.They are reactionary.

The awakening brings about the journey on the "Right Path". Which is the "wisdom" from above(4D) and higher. Compassion is a key understanding to this I think. I also think this type of compassion that feedbaxslow is getting at is a key component to Unconditional Love. It gives you choices, lets you see you can be IN the world but NOT OF THE WORLD. That it doesn't have to be negative.

Glimpses of "The Heavens" have caused a lot of people to be sad and think negatively about the world when thy come back. They get caught up in the "lack" here instead of using it as the encouragement to "keep on keeping on."

At the moment of awakening begins the battle between the "ego" that currently is and wants to protect and survive VS the "ego" you can become. I think the lower ego is what creates the "babbler" all the mental chatter that keeps you from being able to be a silent observer, doing this nothing. It is incessent and within us and it is the hardest to practice on. But if we persevere it gets easier and becomes to do this with the world.

Whatever station you are at when you awaken, you need not feel like that has to change either to show you "get it". This isn't I'm holier than thou or I'm higher now and you are somehow less.  You see the world for what it is. You now don't respond out of guilt or fear or shame but observe and respond/act out of love.

You can best affect people at various stations NOT by preaching the/your truth but by being in their lives and accessible.

This way when people want to curse you, you can bless them. When people bless you, you can receive with thankfulness and when you bless someone you can bless without expecting a return.

Suddenly you are working out your truth and living in the world but not being of the world.

Simple?Yes. easy? Nope.

I find it hard to think of surviving as a negative, certainly not when viewed subjectively. :~)
Survival is the prime directive that's coded into every living thing, at least on a material level. Consume the energy to replicate, mutate, evolve, carry the physical body forward and maintain representation in 3D Now. From our perspective of sentience it goes beyond mere replication of our physical lineage, to the point where some of us believe we've reached beyond the need to pass along our genetic information (being obsessed with such distractions as personal ascension). Even there, however, we're still driven to survive, but at that point it becomes a drive to maintain, evolve and keep possession of our subjective drop of consciousness.

I've always liked this little essay on the subject, from the forward to Psilocybin - Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide by by O.T. Oss & O.N. Oeric (aka Dennis and Terence McKenna). Here's Terence "channeling" the mushroom being:

To bring this back to SW, perhaps this is something along the lines of what he has in mind with the ayahuasca ceremony. It's an opportunity to plug into the higher functioning mind of another being - alien to us, but Gaian nonetheless - and the opening of networks within the mind, along with a connection to the local matrix of Life (as opposed to the pseudo matrix that's being imposed on us).

As cosmic as the mushroom mind's explanation of itself and it's purpose is, it doesn't end there. In a physical sense the consumption of one species by another is all about the absorption of energy, in this case solar energy that's been stored in it's many earthly vessels. The species that are physically absorbed for their energy still manage to survive, genetically on the material plane, and also in the format of their subjective, group consciousness....their devic consciousness continues to manifest itself physically, but it is also is evolving it's unique facet of awareness.

On another level is the survival of consciousness, which, if one is to find negativity in the struggle for physical survival, the absorption of one consciousness by another must seem the ultimate in negativity. There are the realms described in War in Heaven, where larger beings are consuming the astral essence, along with the consciousness of lesser, weaker spirits. These beings become larger and larger themselves, too bloated to incarnate as only one unit of humanity, so in order to hang on to their fat drop of consciousness, they need to incarnate in a fragmented manner as many different, but similar humans (OPs), all of whom are plugged into that single, carnivorous mind.
Then there are the realms that are being pursued by those on the path of personal ascension. The difference is choice and quality of absorption, but ultimately, it's absorption just the same. The micro reflects the macro. All things of Earth are one thing, scrambling to maintain the presence of a unique facet of perception by consuming and absorbing each other's physical vessels. In the macro all things are One, and One will become One again.

In the meantime we get to play here in the sandbox of subjectivity, and in the life and death drama of the material order. We get to extend this drama into the higher realms, taking our acts to the realms of pure consciousness. It's a game we play, and like the  truest of athletes, we've submerged ourselves in the competition, becoming obsessed and possessed by this sport, and we'll play to "win"... to survive, until the game is over (and we start a new one).

"The truth of sport plays rings around you...going for the One"
-Yes

As Don Juan said when you take the life of an animal, you thank it, and welcome it back into the source. You do this because you too know that one day you will give your life back to be worm food for the planet.
      Same goes for lettuce, which is alive as well.
      With true knowledge of this, there would be alot less folk waddling towards the McDonalds, I think.       
      I don't think this sick. What IS sick is that modern culture is so removed from death that it is petrefied by it. Squeamish of it to the point where it will do whatever it takes to cover it up and make it unreal.
     Thats the real perversion.
     There are some people who won't even eat meat off the BONE. Hamburgers, fine, but if it LOOKS like it once lived, they freak out.
     Long ago our religions waged war on nature. Before that, we were reliant upon our food sources. We never took too much, or we would go hungy next season. We RESPECTED the act because it was in our face and a matter of our own survival. We were part of the circle.
   It's funny this topic came up. Because just today as I was riding my bike down the street I thought that, when I die, if I had a choice of how my body was disposed, I wanted a big ditch dug and me thrown, unceremoniously into it. Cover it up and be done with it.
   It seems, even in death we try to seal ourselves away from the worms with pretty plastic coffins.
   Not me. I'm worm food. And I'm ok with that.
   Everyone on this forum is going to die.
   Even if you graduate to 4D and have a pretty new body, that too will change and die, so they say.
   And I like the idea of taking life seriously enough to know that your death is just to the right of you.
   Doesn't leave much time for dilly dally does it?