1 Topic by Transcix (edited by Transcix 2007-06-30 09:37:39)

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Topic: the matrix as ego hive mind

Namaste.

From my personal experiences, I have developed a view of the 'matrix' we live in that I would like to express here. It is a hurtful view in the sense that 'Truth hurts', and a most pleasurable view in the sense that blissful ignorance is only ever always impermanent.

Essentially, we are all part of a hive mind which, Eternal, is divided into various individual conscious control agencies, the most notable dichotomy being between "us" and "them". All our egos are part of it, while "they" are also part of the same thing, but "they" are most different from "us". "They" are eternal, and seek to trick us down the path of evil, tempting us with immortality. The new-age notion of a HigherSelf that involves remembering our "true self" to the practically complete deconstruction of our present selves, that who we truly are is totally foreign to our present awareness, this is part of the conspiracy. In truth, we are all already immortal, if we simply choose to evolve as opposed to devolve; immortality is no lure in this light.

The ego is truly not us, but rather part of a hive mind that seeks to control us to the extent that we still retain some degree of free will (little delight does evil take in tormenting its own, so it needs 'others'). Ironically, the ego must be acknowledged, accepted, and embraced, in order to be transcended, in order for one to truly realize that they are *not* their ego. One always retains conscious control agency, but conscious control agency needn't directly corrolate by any means with the definition of "ego". The enlightened individual often impresses upon misguided new-age thought that the ego is not to be denied but rather accepted and embraced. New-age thought deliberately speaks from too high a vantage point to be accessible by virtually *any* reader, causing enlightened reaction to promote acceptance of the ego. In this way is the nich for truly enlightened understanding of the ego as something actually foreign almost entirely obliterated. Indeed, admittedly, to say that the ego is foreign is most harmful to the spiritual novice.

The trickery of the hive mind is utterly logical, so one must find a way to realize paradox in order to escape from the conspiracy. Realizing the contradiction of things is one good way, as is also the entheogenic experience, but these ways open one's self to the gullibility of unconditional acceptance of experience, which is more often than not fabricated by outside sources. Social stereotypes fabricate divine coincidence as the result of collective will and intention, blurring the line between true divine coincidence and fabricated coincidence. The journey is perilously difficult, difficult not in the sense of pain but rather in the sense of complexity, in the sense of risking coming to the wrong conclusions and never relinquishing your grasp thereon. Lessons of disharmony truly are more insightful than lessons of harmony, for if carried out to their logical ends they lead to the realization that they *are* lessons of harmony, whereas lessons of harmony do not necessarily logically lead to the realization that they are lessons of disharmony.

Hope has become corrupt, as if not for others but for one's own self.. when will you realize that you're already there? Hope for one's self affirms doubt, whereas hope for others affirms tempered optimism and faith in one's own abilities to affectuate change, faith in one's self to *be* the change one wishes to see in the world. The higher you ascend, the more of a target do you make yourself, and ironically for all evil's efforts is evil only ever always a test if one chooses such perspective. The trickster archetype is benevolent in this sense, while the opposite in the sense of being that which necessitates trickery in the first place because things are so far regressed as they are. Evil is not a necessary element of universal procession and the pivotal element of freedom of will therein--rather does freedom of will necessitate that some will inevitably choose the path of evil! That things are as they are only means that some will graduate with such flying colours as to ascend to unimaginable status, while the vastness of tests present prevents most from graduating to any extent whatsoever--inequality, to translate in the long term into more balanced harmony of equilibrium if the forces of good prevail or into *even* less balanced harmony of equilibrium if the forces of evil continue to prevail... but this duration of term lasts far, far beyond 2012...

It is difficult to express.. what do y'all think?...

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

I was thinking about the hive mind today.  I am very confused because it seems to me that most of the supposedly STO groups that are channeled, Ra, the Pleadians, the Cassiopeans are all what they call themselves as soul groups.  I met with a psychic once, and she said to me that there was a group of beings that she could see conveying a message to me, but they were all speaking as one.  Is this a hive mind?  What is a hive mind, everyone thinking as one?  Do you become part of the hive mind if you are STO?  I originally assumed that becoming STO was the best way to go for myself when I first started reading about it, but it seems that all the more advanced STO groups are hive minds.  It seems to me that all groups are somehow part of the hive mind, whether they be a STO or STS.  An STO hive mind would function cohesively like an organism, whereas the STS hive mind functions more like a cancer or a parasite.  The STS hive mind cannot just exist, it must dominate and subjagate, and feed off STO hive minds for sustenance. 

My main wonder here is,  is there any choice besides belonging to a hive mind?  And is an STO hive mind better then being alone?  Maybe and STO hive mind is more a cooperative rather then a dictatorship.

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

Hey Capitan,

You have the right thoughts there.

The way I see it is the "hive mind" refers to non-thinking doing. It is a unity of ignorance following traditions, habits, even your own idiosyncracies that occur without you ever wondering "why do I/ did I do ...?"

Whereas as by making conscious decisions(and definitely at times more natural not so conscious decisions) you align yourself STA/O or STS, that becomes a unity of sorts in consciousness/ enlightenment(for lack of a better descriptor). It has the appearance of a hive but it is not a robotic operating system that a hive is.

Peace,
Teddy

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

Hi Gents,

I dont think using the same term "hive mind" for BOTH the mass consciousness [STS motivated by the lower- ego]  AND the universal Christ consciousness [STO motivated by the Spiritual consciousness] is a very bright idea wherever it originates.  It breeds the kind of confusion that Capitan expresses.  So i don't think it should be used to describe both.   Is it used to describe both?  By who?  If it's used to describe one but not the other what is the rationale for it's use?

If i had to choose an appropriate application for the term "hive mind" I like T-Ren's description.

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

Hey Nexus,

I agree, to think of the term applying to both is confusing, that's why I chose to say that in applying it to STA/O and STS has the appearance -of a hive mind. Unfortunately I did not continue that by saying they are not the same. I put the term "hive mind" as replaceable with "tribal mentality".

It is interesting that the same people that act out in various situations as the tribal/hive mind when acting in similar or even same situations as an individual they may respond altogether different. To me that shows an area of taboo or tribal/hive mind mentality.

Thanks Nexus

Peace,
Teddy

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

My views have since evolved significantly, which I express in this thread:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5546

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

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Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

For clarity, I would like to say that it was my idea to call the STO soul groups that appear over and over as a type of hive mind.  I am having a little bit of trouble understanding the difference between the concept of thinking as one in an STO soul group, and thinking as your told in the STS groups.  The main differnce is that the STA/O groups choose to think as one?  I am just a little averse right now to groupthink right now whether it is STO or STS. 

I was thinking about it today out on the golf course, I think that the main difference is that in an STO group you enjoy your position, there isn't any want or need to be any more then you are, as long as your acting as part of the whole, where the STS feels uncomfortable in every position, and all in the group are driven to be #1.  This came from the concept that I thought I could be perfectly content being a janitor, or a McDonalds employee if I could feel that same feeling of connection and contemplation I felt when I was coming down from my last psycadelic journey.  Boy I am all over the place.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

8 Reply by Transcix (edited by Transcix 2007-07-23 09:31:29)

  • From: Montreal
  • Registered: 2006-10-16

Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

In STO group you enjoy your position but it is not an easy job and you are somewhat blissfully ignorant, having little to no knowledge of the matrix.. however perhaps there are STO groups that are better than this, in less dense parallel realities than this.

How you feel coming down from your last psychedelic journey can be a place you decide you want to start from, or aspire to reach to as to evolve further from. But do not confuse any sustainable way of living in the universe with a static roll, because you are ever evolving, even if you're in a group.

I am also averse to group think, I don't feel it is for me. I honestly don't think many humans opt for it, unless they were part of it before they reincarnated. The alternative is realizing your HigherSelf through creating it, which involves a transmutation of your identity in life itself as opposed to in death when you realize your HigherSelf completely. The goal is for a smooth and clear transition upon death, which is only possible if you create yourSelf enough during life. You could also think that you have already done this and chose to reincarnate, so you discover who you are in life and go back to the astral after. You could reincarnate again if you like. Or you can realize a HigherSelf for the first time and then still reincarnate after a bit of time in the astral after death. You could take the Boddhisatva vow, for isntance.

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9 Reply by feedbaxlow (edited by feedbaxlow 2007-07-24 16:45:45)

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  • Registered: 2006-08-06

Re: the matrix as ego hive mind

transcix wrote:

The ego is truly not us, but rather part of a hive mind that seeks to control us to the extent that we still retain some degree of free will (little delight does evil take in tormenting its own, so it needs 'others'). Ironically, the ego must be acknowledged, accepted, and embraced, in order to be transcended, in order for one to truly realize that they are *not* their ego. One always retains conscious control agency, but conscious control agency needn't directly corrolate by any means with the definition of "ego". The enlightened individual often impresses upon misguided new-age thought that the ego is not to be denied but rather accepted and embraced. New-age thought deliberately speaks from too high a vantage point to be accessible by virtually *any* reader, causing enlightened reaction to promote acceptance of the ego. In this way is the nich for truly enlightened understanding of the ego as something actually foreign almost entirely obliterated. Indeed, admittedly, to say that the ego is foreign is most harmful to the spiritual novice.

Transcix you are onto something here!
and it a relief to see some intelligent discussion and questioning starting to touch this whole idea of "matrix".

Hive mind is simply conditioned mind. The conditioned mind of man. The actually "mindless" stream of thought that has no individual characteristic, is just everyday commonly accepted conventional thought flowing as neurons, with no space in it to see the truth. This mind has a fictional "me" in the center which must find "others" to blame and attack. That's tribal, national and racial unity isn't it?
We are trained over time (from day one) to accept this and not question it.
Not by any outside agency but fear itself.
Fear of not continuing as our beloved or glorified selves. With this fear in place you can't get past the gate.
It must be embraced as you say with the ego.
It is one and the same. A mass of thought, the "me" network layed down so thick over time in the brain, that those neural connections are virtually automatically engaged.
Think how many times we have imaged ourselves as "I" "me" "mine"!
Literally countless number of times have we reinforced this idea of the self as a discrete entity separate from "others".
This is why just knowing it intellectually will not change the way the brain is wired and responds.

We don't need anyone or a system to victimize us and hold us back, we do a pretty good job of that ourselves.
It is just unoriginal thinking. Not bad or evil. Just un-looked at or questioned.
Hive mind is ignorance and fear operating together.
Mostly it is fear and unfamiliarity with discovering for ourselves outside of accepted conventions and values.
The ego can't be denied. It must be embraced because we have a human brain and consciousness that can only function in the mode of a "me" identifying threats; others who are different and dangerous.
The awareness that is actual intelligence is freedom from all that.
We share it as a resource when the hive mind is silent, even if only momentarily. Though we have a brain it does not have to dictate our every thought, every waking moment. Awareness is unlimited and everywhere. It is the actual basis of consciousness.
Eventually we begin to recognize ego confusion and nip it in the bud. Let it go and allow space to become an actual experience.
We don't "get rid of ego" we learn to see it, listen and watch acutely until intelligence is stable and operating more often than not.

So i agree transcix, that it is not useful to think of ego as foreign or anything else as foreign for that matter.
The confused and dualistic thinking and words survive only by failing to see that we are conditioned while identifying ourselves as our thoughts, separated from each other and the universe.

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