16 (edited by kindkind 2007-06-21 20:16:31)

Re: journey of souls by michael newton

Man i have so many books on my plate right now with pleasure reading and school and now a couple more from this thread that id like to start.  Thankfully i own no television.   smile

Surely newton knows of the negative side of things yes and i don't really blame him for mixing up his 2 books with some tales from the crypt.  Here's to hoping he has a new dark side pub on the way...har

Alice, that really is quite disturbing about the whole situation and especially the way it ended there. 

I am only slightly interested in a psychic reading for my future life but a regression session has always fascinated me more.  My dad said one time a hypnotist tried to hypnotize him and it didnt work; ive never had a trial so i dont know what will happen but probly one major thing keeping me from going through with a session is that i wouldnt know where to find a good person in los angeles area.

Well happy solstice everyone!
big_smile

Re: journey of souls by michael newton

http://www.iarrt.org/index.html

The following is a link to an association of hypnotherapists.  It's place to look.

This particular association is listed in the book "Remarkable Healings" and I respect the author of that book.

A key thing is to find somebody who is trustworthy and effective - someone with an aligned "frequency resonance vibration."

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It's certainly a place to look. Look at their membership criteria - there aren't any!
Basically, anyone can join. One would need to look carefully at what level someone had joined at.
Even then, it's still no degree of efficacy.
I went to a "Michael Newton" certified regression therapist, and look what I got.
Then on the other hand, I went to someone with no certification whatsoever, and got helpful and loving guidance.
"Caveat Emptor" or at least, be aware.

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I read Destiny of Souls - I didn't read the one before that.

At the time I found the book very interesting as it was a very direct account of personal experiences (although by regression or hypnosis) as opposed to one mans views and philosophies. After I read it I started having a weird sort of feeling of something not being right about the combined stories and the similarity in the telling. I have just read Alice's experiences in this thread and find them very interesting.

In Newton's book, If I remember correctly, there didn't seem to be a lot of freewill involved after death. There seemed to be a lot of beings guiding or directing you into certain areas. That may be the way it really is but a lot of it sounds so much more like the astral plains and not the higher realms. We seem to be herded into soul groups and there is the constant talk of schools or some institutional type of place where you are taught or where you have your thoughts realigned in preparation for the next incarnation. That sounds like manipulation to me.

I believe that our own higher self knows exactly what it needs to be doing and what it did or didn't achieve in the last life and when we die we are then connected and aware of the bigger picture.
In Newtons version the soul seems strangely cut off from it's higher self and in need of guidance at every turn (and also very childlike). There is one bit where it describes these hooded beings whose faces are obscured (alarm bells ringing in my mind) that move you to an area of cleansing or some isolation area where you recover in apparent darkness - do I recall this correctly?  There is also a lot of talk of other beings coming and joining with you to restore the balance of your energy -possibly depleted in a rather hard life - and again I would be wary of any being that rushes toward me and tries some sort of energy transfer (even if they have taken on the outward appearance of a long departed loved one.) The co called council or wise beings that we seem to appear before in apparent judgment or assessment doesn't sound right and the fact that they can read every thought and history of yours but you are unaware of their thoughts. The fact that it is always under some kind of domed or chanelling type structure is also strange. It's all a bit Star Trek to me.

Could it be that these descriptions are of souls that are alternating between 3d earthly incarnations and the astral lower dimensions and are being kept from progressing to the higher dimensions by dark beings masquerading as guides and ascended masters. All the programming and preparations in between lives could be to manipulate us into certain positions in the 3D world where we could then carry out the pre-programmed work assigned to us. If that is the case then there is a serious problem with this picture and maybe the great cleansing or ascension is the only way to break free from this endless non-progressive cycle.

I have had glimpses of past lives and higher realms or possibly alternate realities myself and they are very different from the people that Newton writes about. I could of course be completely wrong but I for one will not read any more of his books as I don't feel I benefit spiritually or mentally from them.

Positive vibes to all.

FS

20 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-06-26 12:55:19)

Re: journey of souls by michael newton

FreeSpirit wrote:

In Newton's book, If I remember correctly, there didn't seem to be a lot of freewill involved after death. There seemed to be a lot of beings guiding or directing you into certain areas.

My thoughts exactly!  My dissertation on the other thread over a year ago came before I was exposed to "War in Heaven".  (And before I had first hand accounts such as Alice gives.)  Now granted, I haven't read much of WIH and I can't really say that I agree with it (since it appears to be a false choice also).  But this connection between the two manuscripts stuck out like a sore thumb after digesting what WIH was all about.

It's things like this that have helped me even further in 'balancing without enough verifiable information'.

For me, there's only one viable course of action in such cases.  Believe none of it and disbelieve none of it.  What I do know for sure is that I have a lot of investigation to do if/when I pass to this other side (if it exists).  I'm not joining any theocrats, I'm not jumping into the light, and I'm not letting some "soul" conveyor belt put me in some classroom.

My motto will be "observe without participation".  And I'll do it for however long it takes until I can figure out what's really going on.  I've had enough entrapment from this society, I don't need any more.  What I will do beyond observing is seek out those "FreeSpirited" vibrations like my own.  And we'll create an investigation organization much like NR.  No hierarchy.  Just freewills sharing collected information with other freewills.

Re: journey of souls by michael newton

Years ago I attended a Brian Weiss ("Many Lives, Many Masters") seminar. He did a group regression as well as some individual regressions. In order to see who was easiest to hypnotize he had each person roll their eyes back into their head, those with the most white showing were the easiest. I couldn't go under during the group regression but there were others who did. I heard a lot of moaning, must have been some unpleasant death scenes. In the individual regressions Weiss did some type of rapid induction, put people out in a few seconds.

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3431

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23 (edited by FreeSpirit 2007-06-27 15:36:56)

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Thanks for the link SiriArc. Many interesting ideas with a lot of similar angles from different eyes.
I find some of the imagery a bit dark and fear based as it seems that a lot of these dark elements are our thought forms and of our own creation. It makes us seem so powerless and spiritually gullible. I also don't quite buy into the binery soul thing, (in my humble opinion and limited understanding) with memories on the conscious half being erased before again reincarnating and the unconscious half consumed or trapped by memories in a perpetual dream.  It would suggest a complete separation from higher self and too much compartmentalisation. Doesn't ring true to me.

It does make sense though that these ascension times are about purging all these dark energies and breaking free collectively from this cycle simply because the cycle has run its course. Goal or purpose achieved.
Are there only ascended masters from the time before this so-called prison cycle started? - but wait there is no linear time as we know it (much frantic head scratching) - or is that something to do with the quarantine imposed on us?

I feel sure that there are many souls before and now that have been enlightened enough not to fall into this whole trap of deception. Anyway I hope that collectively enough can wake up soon enough to see things as they truly are, both here and within other dimensions. That is hopefully where we are headed.

Back to the MN books - I again wonder what Newton's motivation was in writing something like this. Is it so that all that will read his books will accept these repeated scenarios as the normal routine after death and it will comfort them to know that things are just as they had expected (re-enter the never ending cycle). Just as with religious believers and their theocratic experience. Or is it just heavy editing and distortion to appease the mass consumer? Forgive me if people have already been down these paths on previous threads and have moved on. I couldn't find too many firm conclusions - one mans conclusion being anothers exclusion.

In wrapping up my ramblings: As the oft repeated phrase of 'we are the one's we have been waiting for' goes, if ascension or mass enlightenment doesn't happen quite as expected then we still have to do something to change all of this. z3n3rg I am with you completely on this feeling of enough is enough - this will stop now. I will question everything at all times. It may not make me popular but that is not one of my goals this time round. It is time to re-announce our spiritual sovereignty. We are no longer fooled. (end of rant.)

FS

24 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-06-29 13:23:11)

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Ha, shows how much of WIH I read.  I meant I wouldn't join the "Invisible College".  I didn't go to college on Earth and not about to do it in whoever's "heaven" that is they go on about.  But I'm not joining Theocrats either.  Theocrats, Aristocrats, or Sourcrats.  Not going to do it.  Wouldn't be prudent.  What I will do, after I do some galaxy hopping, is some hardcore recon.  I ain't going to leave to go study up on universe creation just yet.  I wouldn't have come down here if that was the purpose.  Nope.  But we'll see how it all goes.  There's so many accounts from so many sources there's no way to really know for sure what the deal is.  From this very very limited perspective of mine though, it looks like a big problem-reaction-solution senario.  The problem would be the pain and misery on Earth.  The reaction is well our reactions.  Sadness, fear, hate, anger, hopelessness, and all that.  The solution would be a heaven where all that pain is gone and we appear to be free to learn, share and love.  Nothing wrong with that but if it's just there to get us caught in a trap then I ain't down with that.

From what all the sources say, we'll see real soon.  If it goes down that way, I'll see ya'll on the dark side of the moon.