Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

Kato3 wrote:

I personally feel the biggest way that they are the powers that be are in keeping us manifesting their preferred reality.

Yes i have had a few thoughts the past few days and the above sentence really struck a chord.
This reality or matrix is far more than a loosh farm and we are the reality creators of a reality on behalf of something else. A window of reality that can be created by units of consciousness, by manipulation rather than the units of consciousness creating their own chosen reality.
No wonder its all in the open as it needs to be if the masses are to create the reality that is wanted.

I think this is closer to  the real truth of the "secret"

Other considerations are
do we create thought forms that keep us trapped too and confuse these with external entities or confuse our own shadow and light with external entities, when its us doing it all to ourselves? Hmmmm

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

Kato3 wrote:

Hi Blue, I am writing a book on these subjects and also the mapping of a new psychological healing paradigm to address the hyper dimensional aspects of the mind. I will post the link to a free PDF version here once it is finished;

That is very generous of you Kato3, I am really looking forward to reading that.
It seems to be a recurring theme that the people who have these gifts suffer greatly, and your early years certainly bear that out, but witnessed magnanimously.

Kato3 wrote:

This is another topic I am currently mapping to share in my book about “walk in’s” and what that means.....   I sort of received an owners manual for this body and an overview of how we work with our multidimensional self to close up shop here when the opportunities arise.

I must admit, the subject of 'walk ins' doesn't bode well with me, although I suppose that also, is to do with old belief systems, as so many aspects of multi-dimensional living are going to be alien to us. I often wonder if the 'God Within' or the Higher Self, is not in fact a symbiont (benevolent), just waiting for the host to 'step aside' and let God work his magic, through the host.  I have done that one a few occasions during my life, but still retained control, so maybe this isn't going to be so bad. From what I understand, the 'host' is in a receptive state for these walk ins ... hmmm.... difficult subject.

'Owners Manual' - It's funny - I only read about that the other day, I asked my HS for mine, but the post is slow in the UK spiritual arena, I might have a look on EBay instead smile . Mind you, working in IT, I have a 'RTFM' T-shirt, I guess this is my karma coming round.

Kato3 wrote:

I wish you much joy on your journey, and instead of the spoon try a tree maybe, as you have so many trees within you (venous system, nervous system, lymphatic, all trees. Or streams I guess depending on how you look at it) hmm

Thank you, and thank you for sharing this with us. You go and have a nice relaxing retreat and finish off that book (please).

Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

When I was a child I attended a baptist church. I remember one day telling the pastor that my father didn't really believe in God (in later years I learned that it was not that he didn't believe in God, but didn't believe in a God that could hurt children, which was actually a joke, considering he sexually abused me when I was 9 yrs. old, how messed up is that?!). But still, despite what he did to me, when the pastor told me that my father would not be going to heaven because he didn't believe in God, it saddened me. I guess my heart was in a forgiving manner then. I still had a hard time believing what they were telling me. Another thing I could never understand is Jesus dying for our sins. The church taught that Jesus died for our sins, they also said that when someone is born they are born with original sin. What sense does that make? If Jesus died for our sins, then why are we automatically born sinners? Doesn't make sense to me, unless I'm just missing something.

On another note, I talked with a devout catholic woman who told me that the catholic church took out the book on reincarnation. They have probably taken out more too.

Despite everything that's happened in my life, and wondering what the heck I'm here for, I still have Love in my heart and will not give that up.

~JOYce~

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The concept of "original sin" seems like one big guilt-trip to me - it probably stems from a misinterpretation of older spiritual teachings, or else it was deliberately conceived for manipulation purposes. How can people be both hopeless sinners, and yet created in God's image? It's just one of many inconsistencies in Christian doctrine. Also, you mentioned Jesus & the vicarious atonement - I personally think Jesus's mission on Earth has been grossly misunderstood, but that's another matter altogether.

On another note, I talked with a devout catholic woman who told me that the catholic church took out the book on reincarnation. They have probably taken out more too.

Yes, apparently the Bible was tampered with numerous times even by non-Christians for their own political ends. They removed references to reincarnation as well as whole other books. There are two major allusions to reincarnation/karma still intact, though - one is when Jesus heals a man who was blind from birth, and his disciples ask, "Who sinned that he should be born blind, this man or his parents?" and the other is Jesus's statement that John the Baptist was Elijah come again. I believe Christian theologians have some trouble explaining these passages.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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doesnt make a lot of sense to me either.........at the end of your life youre completely stiff and bound through your intentions...the only noble life is a life supposedly of meditation and discipline to limit the thoughts that bind your soul...and it's almost impossible to do...ive spent years in meditation and at monasteries and I continue to battle these binding thoughts....so if you carry over these actions it must be even worse in the next life....hopefully theres some sort of transitional karmic waste dump in between lives.

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Well, I've always had a feeling of been here / done though still never quite feeling like this is my home.  The 'been here' feeling I get is in relation to the conflict / drama / guilt  cycles that ever prevalent on a personal realm and in the geo-political spectrum.  As much as I have this strange feeling of seeing it all before and having the oddest deja vu experiences in the strangest of places upon seeing them for the first time, I still feel like some star far off in the sky is more home than here sometimes...

So... I am not sure that reincarnation is the best word to describe what  I believe.. reading books like the Tibetan Book of the Dead make me feel like reincarnation is a toil for souls stuck in a never ending loop... but also I wonder that as there as so many lessons to learn about the nature of ourselves here in the flesh, it seems like maybe some of us are here learning lessons and perhaps others are stuck in loop mode.

I recall after my mother passed away years ago how devasted I was and how I was always reaching out to see her in dreamtime or in meditation.  One time when she visited me in dreamtime, she told me about how it was agreed that she would die younger and leave her family behind before she came here.  Sooooooooo.... maybe I was having conversations with my subconcious in my dreams and fullfilling my own thoughts about why she had to leave but this was also brought to my awareness in a healing session later with someone who had no knowledge of my loss or personal life so I sort of ruled that one out..

I used to think that i had to find a monestary on a lonely hilltop and meditate the days away to live a noble life but i don't buy that either.  Living a life full of integrity with honour and compassion and being fully in the moment...

ya

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SamIAm wrote:

Why would you come in so late?  Were you a crawling baby zombie the first 1-2 years of your life? Hmm...

What are you even talking about? 

I think you misunderstood in a BIG way what I was saying.

I came into this life with memories of my last life, and last persona.

I remember having these memories at the age of 1 - 2 years old.  In addition, there have been indicators which have occurred throughout my life up through to the present.

Is that clear now?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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....and as far as entity attachments go, I've considered that, but there are indicators that it's not.  Several psychic people that I've known over the years have all indepdenently picked out the same things concerning several of my past lives; with one guy in particular he had absolutely no way of knowing what he picked out, it was stuff I hadn't told anybody at that point.  Maybe they were picking up on an entity attachment...but I highly doubt it.

Also, when recently learning some of the details of what transpired in my last life in particular it explained so much of what has gone on in this life.  Phobias/fears, interpersonal relationship patterns, personality tendancies, the big "life theme" scheme of things, the knowings and inklings and indicators I've had my whole life.  So many puzzle pieces came together, it was pretty amazing.    Again, could be an entity attachment, and I did ask the one psychic friend of mine if we weren't sure that this was what was actulaly going on.  It doesn't seem likely though.

But like I said before, I don't fully trust anything going on in this reality anymore, unfortunately, which means I will never full accept it 100%.  At best, 95% probably.  But I belive it has more validity that not, let's just put it that way.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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24 (edited by zenden 2007-06-19 19:57:20)

Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

this is for Blue.  it will fit in here.  i hope he sees this.   i wanted to comment on that spreadsheet thing he made the other day with the constellation of  ???   i cant find it anywhere.  and ive been thinking of that and it means something.  i searched and searched and the old computer is getting hot even.  then i was gonna resurrect the internet crackdown one wherein he said he may be moving to nova scotia.  and lilmomma made me look at that one again today.  (god, i had to look back on that--oh how things keep transforming--woooweee).

hey lyra--thank you for the the new book.  showed in detail all the synchs and coincidences and unreal hook-ups's.  loved ur grandma stories, the house and the cops (had a fit on that) and i could see u with ur fab red hair and alien t-shirt on.  i had the mouth hanging open, as usual.  wow--Florence.  will have to say more later (email). 

hey Blue--i saw this today and went is that/this Blue?  is this an old thing he had goin?  viking vs druid.  i say both. 

from http://www.wizardrealm.com/Galadriel/viking.html

The Vikings were stymied, as were the Druids, and knew of no safe place to harbor the Druids. The Vikings, being more versed in the cultures of various ports in the European seaboard, felt that Europe wasn't safe for Druids. They decided to sail for the West, not knowing exactly where or what the West was, but knowing there had to be land somewhere on the other side of the Ocean.

After an almost three-month travel, six ships landed upon the American shores. There were one or two ships unaccounted for, which may have landed elsewhere upon the shores, or may have capsized through the temperament of the ocean. Six ships landed around the area known as Nova Scotia, somewhat above the continent that later claimed the title of "America". (It is very likely that the other two Viking ships full of Druids landed at Greenland, and there they stay, having found a culture and climate utterly fascinating in its diversity.)

The Druids and Vikings who docked at Nova Scotia chose to explore their terrain, and finding many climatic and terrain benefits similar - and no worse - than Ireland or Scandinavia, chose to reside indefinitely. The Vikings were in no hurry to get back to their homes, and discerned quickly enough that quick trips from Greenland to Iceland to Scandinavia were simple enough, and did not feel an expedient need to return home, or to give an account of their whereabouts.

any memories of this?  does this conjure up anything?  is this why maybe ur drawn to Nova Scotia, Blue?   i did not know that the vikings took the druids there, literally, gave them a ride.  fantastic stuff in this link.  this galadriel woman is truly interesting.  well read and knows the druid history well.  i have read alot on her site.  really neat stuff.   somehow i see Blue in this and in her writings.  he is afterall, from there pretty much.  still lives on the isles.  holding the power and anchoring.  i hope he checks this out.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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zenden wrote:

hey lyra--thank you for the the new book.  showed in detail all the synchs and coincidences and unreal hook-ups's.  loved ur grandma stories, the house and the cops (had a fit on that) and i could see u with ur fab red hair and alien t-shirt on.  i had the mouth hanging open, as usual.  wow--Florence.  will have to say more later (email).

That's so funny...I thought about you several times today, and wondered if you'd read my book.  And wondered specifically about the house and the cops section.  big_smile   So yeah, I totally picked up on your thoughts, too funny....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I work through my DNA, and looking at the idea that in this moment all that I am, all that ever was or will be is tied to my body here, as I am linked completely with the macrocosm. I do all the work within myself here allowing the moment to show me my beliefs (conscious and unconscious) through what I attract.

For me it was about allowing more of what was already there to come in. Like say you come in with 100 watts and then you upgrade to a thousand watts, same energy source totally new levels of reality

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This reality or matrix is far more than a loosh farm and we are the reality creators of a reality on behalf of something else. A window of reality that can be created by units of consciousness, by manipulation rather than the units of consciousness creating their own chosen reality.

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Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

zenden wrote:

this is for Blue.  it will fit in here.  i hope he sees this.   i wanted to comment on that spreadsheet thing he made the other day with the constellation of  ???   i cant find it anywhere.  and ive been thinking of that and it means something.  i searched and searched and the old computer is getting hot even.  then i was gonna resurrect the internet crackdown one wherein he said he may be moving to nova scotia.  and lilmomma made me look at that one again today.  (god, i had to look back on that--oh how things keep transforming--woooweee).

Sorry zenden, the images didn't display properly, which kind of screwed up the post.. so I deleted it (as no one had replied) Here they are (hopefully)..

http://www.nobledreams.co.uk/pics/yatesbury2007.jpg

http://www.nobledreams.co.uk/pics/pleidsheet.jpg

http://www.nobledreams.co.uk/pics/Pleides.jpg

If you don't see the images.. click on this page ...  http://www.nobledreams.co.uk/Crop1.htm

hey Blue--i saw this today and went is that/this Blue?  is this an old thing he had goin?  viking vs druid.  i say both.  from http://www.wizardrealm.com/Galadriel/viking.html ...The Vikings were stymied, as were the Druids, and knew of no safe place to harbor the Druids. ..........
any memories of this?  does this conjure up anything?  is this why maybe ur drawn to Nova Scotia, Blue?   i did not know that the vikings took the druids there, literally, gave them a ride.  fantastic stuff in this link.  this galadriel woman is truly interesting.  well read and knows the druid history well.  i have read alot on her site.  really neat stuff.   somehow i see Blue in this and in her writings.  he is afterall, from there pretty much.  still lives on the isles.  holding the power and anchoring.  i hope he checks this out.

That is amazing zenden, you are right, I have a very strong pull to Nova Scotia (unfortunately, TPTWTB are pushing me away with equal and opposite force), and the only other experience I have of past life is when we went to Iceland and I vividly (whilst fully awake) saw images of myself as a young Viking , going off with a horde of our clan over the hill (with the impression we were off to Britain), whilst at the hotel we were staying at in Holar. This post has made my hair stand on end, I am going to be looking into this some more. Peices of the jigsaw, coming together...
Thanks very much for the links and for thinking of me Zenden. X X X wink

28 (edited by nexus 2007-06-21 21:52:51)

Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

Hi oavada, everyone.

I hope you will agree that the following is directly related to the topic because if the necessity of karma and re-incarnation is better understood then it is not simply something that has to be "believed in".  Our own memories of the past can be validated in the context of an understandable process.  Instead of it not making sense from the point of view of a 'ridiculous scheme' it can really make a lot of sense. 

I used to work at the botanical gardens in 'Kings Park' so i hope you don't mind the analogy.

The way i see it there is only one way out of the cycle of binding karmic thoughts which bind the soul to the wheel of [seemingly] endless rebirths. The ROOTS and SEEDS of karmic thoughts must be burned to a cinder.  What are the roots and seeds?  They are the subconscious causes of our mental / emotional environment.

We're all awakening to the fact that if we can get our internal environment under the control of our inner Christ MIND,  all the external environMENTAL problems can be solved.  The integrating power of that inner 'superconscious' mind cannot be underestimated. That's why some have secluded themselves away in monasteries and caves to try to uncover it.  It is the master key to our healing and our ascension out of the material universe beyond the reach of the lower laws of karma and re-incarnation.

If you think about it, our thoughts and feelings spring from subconscious levels of our being. Like seeds underground....  unseen and mostly hidden from view.  It is a level so deep that it is difficult to influence these innate patterns merely by engaging the conscious mind alone.

Anyone who has tried, and you sound like you have oavada,  knows that that task is not easily accomplished because the conscious mind is only one part of the mind.  And oftentimes meditation does not get past conscious awareness.  The conscious mind can deal most easily with what is on the surface of being. ie. the seedlings of thought. [ which are the effects.]  But it cannot easily penetrate the subconscious and unconscious levels where the seeds are already planted from past experience and where the roots have taken hold.

That is why so many fail to change through practicing meditation. Trying to tame the growth of the seedlings of surface thoughts [and hard feelings] with the wind and hot air of the outer mind will not succeed.  You may bend them into temporary submission by the force of will but they will spring back and the roots still thrive under ground... 'seeds' vibrating away, continuing to produce after their kind.

As long as a part of our own being [ie."the carnal mind"] is vibrating at a lower rate than the christ MIND deeper within, we must incarnate back to earth until we find the inner Christ consciousness. Conscious integration with that inner MIND is the only antidote to the 'lower karmic self' and is therefore the only antidote to the continual round of karma making and re-incarnation.

While the 'weeds' of karmic energy patterns remain untransmuted in the subconscious, they will continue to draw experiences to us which tend to reinforce the energy patterns of that 'lower self'.  Our negative reactions to those experiences will cause the 'bad seed' to karmically reproduce after it's kind.  It is a terrible loop which the mass of humanity is caught in. It is not something anyone can extricate themselves from without accepting the higher power within.

Believe me when i say that you may entreat that inner Presence as you would a kindly king or a loving elder brother or sister. It really is not a trite attitude. It's an acknowledgement that our outer/lower human will has not worked well for us over countless incarnations. We are still trapped in the karmic circumstances of earth.  We are still being held in contempt by those with greater forces of human will than our own... because they are organised against us. 

The christ Self even though it is ourself can be approached as an objective Person. It is much higher than the normal outer awareness, higher than the soul which too is hidden from the grosser outer ego consciousness.  Don't be shy to actually talk to this powerful being within you.  I do it all the time. I did so before i knew it was real.  Thats how far into unreality i was.  But eventually i got a response... the loving light appeared, and then many more times over the years.  I've had plenty of dark periods too.

Now i always consult my inner Presence in big things and small and i am developing a close relationship with my christ Self.  One day i will wake up and know myself as being fully that higher Self, and no other, because the last vestage of lower self consciousness will have been transmuted. The twain shall be one and all sense of separation will be finished. That is the way out of 'duality consciousness' and that is how to overcome the law of karma, and it's natural corrollary, re-incarnation.

I've heard it said in some 'new age' material that God / Universal Mind needs us to gather all of these human experiences we are all having so that we can contribute this marvellous wisdom to the Whole Oneness. You know, like stubbing your toe or being run over by a bus, or being knifed in a dark alley.  Nonsense.  We are having our own experiences because WE need them personally.  We need to find out what it's like to be on the return current of our own negative creations so that we can learn the lessons which karma brings. [ Including positive creations which bring good karma]

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"  is the 'golden rule'.

But i think it is greatly hoped by our christ Self that we will turn within and be initiated by that 'high priest' into higher and higher levels of our own inner being. It takes more and more surrender of levels of human will and false concepts in order to make "room" in the "inn"" of being for the "child" of our christ Self to be born [ borne ] in our hearts.  The alternative is to think we can successfully run our lives without that discovery and surrender of the human will. 

Some people reading this will think that this is a simpleton's version of an old 'spirituality'. I am aware that in some quaters of the 'new age' it will be considered delusionary and that i am the one creating false gods and separations and perpetuating illusions and duality consciousness. They will tell me that i have refused to percieve the "Oneness" because i have used terms to delineate reality/levels of consciousness.  Just "Be" they would tell me... "all else is illusion" they would say. "Good karma/bad karma is all duality and illusion" "You are the ONE,  do whatever you will... unburden yourself from these ignorant archaic concepts... get out of the dark ages."    These people are the ones deluded. 

Most of us believe that we are individualisations of God but some mistake their current awareness of 'spiritual concepts' and self will for "Godness".  Nobody, including myself is perfect but i believe the questions are the same for any of us... Are we all sure that we are doing the inner will of the higher Self?  Do we try to discover that will and find out if that higher will is different from our 'natural' inclinations at least most of the time?  Do we know the difference?  Do we know how it feels to yield to that will when other powerful inner mental/emotional forces are rebelling?  Or do we usually tread the path of least resistance [from our lower ego self.]  Do we intuitively discern the vibratory difference between when the higher Self says NO when 'we' are saying yes.  Or when It says YES and 'we' are saying no?

Resolving these questions in favour of the higher Will is essential but it can sometimes be a painfull process if we have to go against some level of ourselves. On the other hand it is a great joy when all levels of being "agree" and we find energies flowing freely in harmony with divine will.  We all engage to some extent.  But i'm convinced that the higher Self knows the shortest distance between 2 points in order to resolve both into ONE.  Accepting a higher [ and higher ] power as we rise into spiritual levels of Self is the way out of karma and re-incarnation. 

I am not speaking from the point of view of someone who has learned all my own lessons either.  But i am developing a healthy respect for a law and a process which does not depend on my belief for it to operate.  Belief just helps at times when my whole being is not in full agreement. And given the fact that we've all fallen into duality... thats inevitable isn't it.

But T Ren is right... whether we believe or not in re-incarnation it will be what it is or isn't... just  make the most of this incarnation the best we know how. We still have to rise in vibration while in the body in order to transcend the material planes now and at the conclusion of this life.

edit : A good read on this subject is ; "Life Before Life"   by Helen Wambach.

She is a psychologist who 'hypnotised' hundreds of people, often in large groups, and recorded their impressions and memories in the book.  Anyone who thinks that this universe is not well organised by higher beings is in for a shock. There are dedicated, organised helpers who are intimately involved with each of us personally. Call them 'angels' [no wings of course] or masters or whatever... they are real and they are 'rock solid' in their dedication to our overcoming the challenge of life in the lower planes.  Helen Wambach's guided meditation/hypnosis sessions pierced the veil of forgetfulness that causes some of us to deny the existence of an organised spiritual 'rescue mission'.

Helen's subjects remembered their parents from former lives [oftentimes as their children, siblings, lovers or spouses.] They remembered their feelings and thoughts about their coming into physical embodiment in a family of familiar people. They remembered their conversations with higher beings who guided them through the process of accepting their life plan for the coming incarnation. This is a book that can give you a very grounded and practical understanding of the ties that bind and the process of birth, death and reincarnation.  It could change the way you look at your path.

Re: do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation?

I don't think it makes a difference if I believe in them or not.  I don't have to believe in gravity for it to keep me on the ground.  What matters is whether or not I want to be free of its pull.  If so, I'd have to first accept it, then study it and then figure out a way to defy it. 

(Excellent reading here, everyone.  I look forward to more on this.)

30 (edited by lyra 2007-06-21 09:20:02)

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(Not directed at anybody in particular - wanted to clarify only because sometimes it seems as if somebody may be directing something at the post before only because it happens to come right after it, but this is just for everybody reading this in general.....)

So, the original question asked about whether we believe in karma and reincarnation, and so far people have mainly focused on talking about karma, and the idea of getting out of a loop, with detached philosophical answers and musings.   

What about the other part of the topic?  Reincarnation?  As in, past lives?  Does anybody else out there have past life memories or flashes or indications?   What about responses coming from a real place of first hand experience and knowledge, instead of detached philosophical musings?  I can't be the only one out there who has what seems to be either past life memories/flashes, or hold overs in some way.  (or maybe I am!!   big_smile )

And ultimately I understand when skeptics don't believe in the possibility because they're lacking those sorts of memories/indicators/holdovers that others may have.  Personal proof and evidence is always a clincher for most people after all.  Which is why it's always interesting to hear from people who seem to have it....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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