Freemasonry is not evil (Page 2 of 5)

I like Mandalis sincerity, and for my part I'd really like that this discussion doesn't become a battle field.
He has a true and real experience of Freemasonry, so we should listen to his experience, which is far more valuable than any google search.
We should ask him what he sees and makes in the name of freemasonry to have better knowledge of it.

And he should have the honnesty to look at highest degree initiates of his order and ask them question and learn the truth about them.
We could all learn something about it.

My own experience of Freemasonry in my daily life involves power, relations and intimidations to keep strategic positions in the society. That's why I don't have friends among them.

But this is something natural, all human groups protect themselves to keep their positions. Even Gandhi and Satygraha followers did!

The essential question in this debate, and I hope Mandalis will help us, is who or what is the energy at the very roots of this organisation.

Who do you worship?

Other things are just details...

Looks like somebody could benefit from reading people a little better.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 92&p=1

It starts on page 1, post #12, and runs on for four pages until people there figured him out and stopped responding to him.  You might have missed that exchange.  But it says everything about where he was coming from.    You're looking to learn something from him and have a meaningful two-way exchange.  He arrived here at NR coincidentally at the same time that two other questionable posters arrived on the scene, (one of which is gone now as well) looking to provoke with commanding, know-it-all authoritative statements, and to bait people into "debates," if you can even call them that, with the sole purpose of tearing posters down with his cold arrogance.  If you'd like a meaningful exchange about freemasony, or any subject, then Mandalis wasn't going to be your source, although the thread could certainly evolve into something more meaningful and informative now that he's gone.  Curiously you're the only one so far who's posted that they have this particular positive view of him - And not to offend, but possibly the language diference was causing you to miss the nuances of his wording and intent, things that native English speakers would pick up on.

First of all, this post is two years old.

That means two things:
-I wasn't there, and no, I haven't read all posts in this forum in the last two years.
-This guy may have changed, and so do people who joined the discussion, not to mention the vibration of this earth.

The fact that I don't know Mandalis is an opportunity for him to grow, because I see him with innocent eyes, and I give him a chance to explain calmly what he might have to teach us.

As long as you're a human being, you have something to teach me.

My knowledge of english is enough to understand that your post is a little rude.

If you read my posts, I am not a "fire starter", always looking for what's best into people or situations, so attacking me because of my ignorance is a little mean from you.

First of all, if you were really interested in Truth you would know that the post that she/he directed you to was not two years old. It is from a month ago.

Second, anyone, as you very well know and stated through the "google search" comment, can claim anything. If a page on the internet can claim that masonics are evil when it could be a lie; so can mandalis claim that he belongs to it, when it could be a lie; or that he is a 32nd degree mason being true but that the organization is not good as claimed.

The three have the possibility of being lies. However you only single out one of them: the internet.

Why the obvious bias?

Why do you ask for people to read your posts if you don't read people's posts?

This is the post she/he asked you to start reading:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 568#p58568

Look at the date.

I also gave a link about masonic symbolism in the "supreme" court of one of the wariest country in the world, and you seem not to have read it either.

While it is good to look for what is best in people or situations, it does not help to deny reality when doing so.

Masons, so the internet says, like their numerology. And that is a good assumption to have as truthful since the "art" is very well known to "esoteric practitioners".

And in numerology the number 11 is a very important number. It is a master number.

And it is not by "chance" that they have their 33 degrees. 11x3 = 33.

Now if you study a little bit on the numerological symbolism of the various mass-murdering that happens IN REALITY you will see that the number 11 is very prominent.

9/11 is very obvious. 

You have that 11 on the date, and you have eleven in two numbers: 92 passengers in one plane and 56 passengers in another.

So right there you have 11 + 11 + 11 = 33.

Now  it could very well be that someone very very smart is trying to kill many and put the blame on the Masons.

Or it could very well be that that is their way to communicate with each other, like their hand shakes and secret signals, that they were the ones behind many of the murderings.

Just the fact that we hardly see "numerological analysis" (something that any "esoteric" freak does obsessively with every thing) on these very important and bloody events, shows that if they did not commit the crimes themselves, they are helping to hide them. Because they ALL show very obvious numerological symbolism.

Or perhaps they are good and others are lying.

After all everybody "lies" don' they?

Except Mandalis.

Again: "You shall know them by their fruits."

And their fruits are scattered all over the place.

Some are "insignificantly" good. Some are notoriously bad.

But choose to "focus" on the good, and ignore the bad, if it makes your STS-self feel "better".

Just don't expect us to choose the same.

Read this:

11 days after September 11 the "compensation" flows:

"The fund was established on September 22, 2001, when President Bush signed into law the September 11 Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 (part of the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act, Title IV of Public Law 107-42, 115 Stat. 230)."

And this:

"The towers of light were first activated on the 6th month anniversary of the fallen towers or March 11, 2002. On this 11th day of the sixth month, it was announced that the lights would be on from 11 A.M. until 11 P.M. and would continue for one month. It was then decided and announced that the light towers would continue to shine from March 11 until April 13 and thus form a gigantic blue numeral 11 over the skies of New York City for 33 days. (11) We must pay attention to these numbers, because they reveal beyond any stretch in the realm of coincidence that occult forces are at work. The 11th sign of the zodiac in astrology is Aquarius, and this is said to be the Aquarian age. The number 13 is the most powerful number in witchcraft and is the number of a coven in ancient tradition. The number 33 is the number sacred to the Scottish Rite of the secret society known as Freemasonry. Thus, we have an occult bridge of time, known as a rite of passage, lasting 33 days between two dates involving an eleventh and crossing a full moon to the 13th day of the following month."

So it is SHOWN without a doubt that the numerological "coincidence" of the MURDERINGS was not something that it was done to divert attention to masons.

From the FACTS above you know that they are the ones who are obsessed with numerological symbolism.

One starts to wonder if the "google searches" are right after all since all this carnage does look satanical.

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Truth minion: you are out of subject, trying to convince me with your numerology that freemasonry is not good.
I said that I had experience with these people, and it wasn't good.
My point is to focus on Mandalis, not freemasonry.

Lyra:thanks to your post, Kato3 pointed something really important for me.

You said that this guy came with an agenda, and so do archons or whatever we call these mind thieves, but does that mean that he will succeed?
May I remember you about Gandhi fighting the biritish governement without insulting or fighting anyone?
He just stayed full of compassion and humility, whatever these thieves were doing.

I saw some TV show yesterday about a family having adopted "difficult" children nobody wanted, and after years of caring, these teenagers were happy and calm.
In the interview, the mother told the journalist that as long as there is divine spark in the eyes, you can do something with  people.

My way of caring for people like Mandalis is probably wrong, but my intention here is compassion, which is for me the most human emotion.

And this is probably what is lacking the most here when we talk, dividing humans in STS STO OP and so on.

Of course we can not let the snake live into our living room, but can"t we bring it back nicely to its desert?

You are not paying attention when you deny that the majority of child-molestation cases of known children come from their fathers, grand-fathers and step-fathers. In other words: men.

Now, what about those children that disappear by the hundred of thousands every year in the world? Are you going to say that there is no possibility that they are used for sexual gratification of rich men? Men who are married with sexually-frustrated "ladies who do lunch"?

Are you going to deny that there is a possibility that men who belong to secret-societies in the form of "men's club" do not perhaps use satanical sexual rituals with little children in order to "bond" - let alone to get off - in impunity?

When even middle-of-the-road head of families have perverted desires towards their own children?

You don't have evidence of that either.

However the facts show that a whole lot of males like to get off sexually with children. One needs only to look at media-symbolism to see young girls in sexually appealing positions.

Being a catholic or a baptist has nothing to do with being a true christian.

Being a "freemason" in any of their lodges has nothing to do with true freemasonry.

I don't care at all if you have been or not a freemason.

As we should forget everything we think we know about christianity, we should forget everything we think we know about freemasonry.