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Topic: Reptillians, are they really that bad

I personally DO NOT believe that "Reptillians" are evil, although I did used to think that they were pure evil. I BELIEVE that the Elohim (Angels) are the actual brainwashing f**k**s. For example in the Christain bible God ( Jehovah or Yahwah (I'll talk about those 2 later)) tried to have complete CONTROL over Adam and Eve and ol' Mr Satan(don't know his real name but it could be Azazel or Lucifier(which actually means Light-Bringer)) gave them knowledge and FREEWILL so that they could make their own decisions, and God said I will not have this, no no, get out of Eden now!. And the story goes on.

To me, Jehovah and Yahweh, that is God of the old Testament and God of the new Testament are 2 completely different aliens, hehe, or different people. In countless examples Jehovah f****d a lot of people up because they weren't abiding by his rules. CONTROL FREAK. Yahweh however, was a nice and compassionite God, who only wanted people to pray and be nice and etc. I think in the bible somewhere it has Jesus quoted as saying that the God of the old testament is not his father. How interesting. So perhapes the god of the old testament is Satan ( his first trick, was fooling people into thinking he was god) and the Satan of the old testament is Yahweh. And it flips in the new testament.

Some interesting links:
www.newdawnmagazine.com
http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html- Interview with 'rep' super duper interesting

I hope that this REALLY makes to think, it's an open discussion so let us debate it, should be fun.

2 (edited by wandering1 2004-08-30 23:17:30)

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Personally, I try to avoid the terms "good" and "evil".  I find them polarizing.  I think that the terms "good" and "evil" help to create in-groups and out-groups.  (Think "evil-doers.")

I have no trouble imagining a group of so-called Angels who are Service-to-Self and are a level up from the Reptilians.

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btw you rally should read http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html. Lacerta files 1 and 2. They are really interesting and talk about a lot of things relating to the history of the Earth

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I'm always amazed at the various ways people try to attack the Bible. Personally, I tend to ignore and ultimately forget about the information I conclude to be bogus. It seems, however, that the Bible has a great importance to the ones who spend such energy on "debunking" it.
So, Jonathon, you've stated what you believe. Care to share Why you believe it?

How do you equate "complete control" with a simple admonition to abstain from the fruit of one particular tree (from the Biblical Eden tale)?

And wouldn't Free Will have been necessary for the Edenic residents to even accept a "gift" from "ol Mr Satan"?

I'd be interested in seeing that quote from Jesus regarding who his father was or wasn't. I don't remember seeing that before.

5 (edited by ermolai 2004-08-31 04:16:46)

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According to gnostics, the god of the old testament was the demiurge, a false god who, as far as I understand, was pretty much equal with Satan, since in a dualistic world the "good" needs the "evil" and vice versa (so I wouldn't say the "good god" was the Satan of the old testament).

For them the god of the new testament was the invisible one, the unmanifest one, the one who allows all things, who is part of all things (good and evil), who forgives and accepts, and of course doesn't ask people to sacrifice their son just to "test their faith" or other such ridiculous things found in the old testament. All in all, very close to the definition of Prime Creator as defined by Ra and others.

I also believe that one of the primary aim of Jesus was to free people from this false concept of god, to revolt against the demiurge, including this whole concept of worshipping and original sin. This is why the jewish authorities did anything to stop him. I doubt you'd find a quote in the Bible of Jesus explicitely denying Jehovah though, in fact one of the prime treason of the catholic church (founded on the ruins of the roman empire, as most of you here probably know) was to put together the old and new testaments, and of course arrange/censor the new testament so that it didn't look too much in the opposite of the old one. For example, the bible keeps on affirming that we are "born in sin", yet Jesus "died for our sins" and now we have a chance to be "forgiven" if we "repent" (for what?) and become "good christians" (Of course the forgiveness that Jesus talked about was not conditional in any way, just like true love)

6 (edited by zonabi 2004-08-31 07:57:43)

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heres my completely differnt take on this entire subject;

it is so simple that you guys will be like "woah"

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Mammals carry their offspring within them. they nurture their babies inside of the stomachs as fetuses and they create one of the most loving bonds ever imaginable.

this is why mammalian life forms are more caring (for the most part)

NOW, the 'kicker'

Reptilian lifeforms DO NOT carry their offspring within them, they lay Eggs and the baby develops out there. I think this is directly related to the nature of Reptilian Life Forms; the "Cold Blooded" nature they always carry. They aren't connected to their offspring which doesnt create that special bond.

in other words, i mean to say that since reptiles do not have that *special connection* bond with their offspring, they aren't as affectionate or nurturing. they dont care that much for one another.

make sense? i hope so. it did to me when i had this revelation.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Just read the texts on sabon.org. Some nice examples of disinformation there... Especially like how the reptilian says that there is no way to protect ourselves from influences on our mind. Poor little mis-engineered victims that we are wink

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I'm still amazed. Using the Bible to prove that the Bible is wrong? Reverse circular logic? See ya.

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Words like "good" and "evil" may not be a correct word to use, as wandering1 pointed out.   And the reptilian mindset certainly opposes mammalian instincts, like what zonabi said.   So, it's not that reptilians are evil, it's that their way of being isn't compatible with mammalian ways.   They would certainly seem "evil" to us because they supposedly like to snack on people and have no regard for us.  They can do the things they do to us because they have no empathy for us.    With that logic, then it's safe to assume that we humans are pretty damn evil as well in the eyes of the cow, pig and chicken.   

Do I feel reptilians are "really that bad" ?   Well, if what I've read about them is any indicator of the truth, then yeah, I'd have to say they're not conducive to mankind's safety and wellbeing, and should you see one, run the other way.  Quickly.   But then again, I'd also advise the cow, pig or chicken to do the same should it find itself crossing paths with one of us.  And I'd be the first to cheer when one hops the fence at the farm and makes a break for it.  wink

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10 (edited by Auendove 2004-08-31 09:36:56)

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zonabi wrote:

heres my completely differnt take on this entire subject;

it is so simple that you guys will be like "woah"

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Mammals carry their offspring within them. they nurture their babies inside of the stomachs as fetuses and they create one of the most loving bonds ever imaginable.

this is why mammalian life forms are more caring (for the most part)

NOW, the 'kicker'

Reptilian lifeforms DO NOT carry their offspring within them, they lay Eggs and the baby develops out there. I think this is directly related to the nature of Reptilian Life Forms; the "Cold Blooded" nature they always carry. They aren't connected to their offspring which doesnt create that special bond.

in other words, i mean to say that since reptiles do not have that *special connection* bond with their offspring, they aren't as affectionate or nurturing. they dont care that much for one another.

make sense? i hope so. it did to me when i had this revelation.

No kidding on the WHOA!  Great analogy zonabi, and was definitely some food for my thinking.  Thanks for sharing this point of view/information!

Although I do want to remark on the bolded words, and maybe this is what you also or further mean... maybe it's not so much that they DON'T care, as much as it is that they simply don't know HOW to care to whatever the extent you or me and others may... but this intimates more than just the difference between reptialian cold bloodedness and mammalian warm bloodedness, it also outlines a stark difference between STS oriented and STO oriented beings. Afterall, are all Reptialian beings STS (really, I don't know if STO ones exist, I'm only making a suggestion, this subject matter has been approached here on NR before), and are all "off world" STS beings only Reptialians?  What about other races that "don't seem to care" who may be warm blooded?

Maybe I've stepped out of the sphere of your comments, bringing the STS/STO aspect of it into it, but they are just some thoughts I wanted to add.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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honestly i think STS and STO can be any kind of life form. or rather any life form can choose STS or STO.

but, i understand what u mean. because of the severed connection between Reptilians and their offspring, causing them to be UNABLE to create the loving nature, would thus cause them to have difficulty to become STO. i guess it would be a real challenge.

there are human mammalian STS, as well as STO. so i am sure there are some Reptilian STO.

the only example i can think of is the the symbolic serpent who freed adam and eve from the control of the "Gods" (Sirians?) in the "bible" or other holy texts. this shows Service to Other to me, but then again we know not their true motives and what REALLY happened, we only have a symbolic tale to go by.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

12 (edited by ermolai 2004-08-31 11:12:47)

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I have read on some books about ecopsychology that, on "primitive" cultures, babies were always been held by someone from the tribe, 24 hours a day, up until the time they could walk. According to the author, this gave a great sense of trust and security (of "being in the world") to the baby and much helped its further development, in a way that is difficult to imagine for civilized people, who are rarely raised this way and are even taken by some white monsters immediately following their birth. So it seems us "mammalians" have culturally accepted reptilians methods.

13 (edited by lyra 2004-08-31 11:42:18)

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ermolai wrote:

I have read on some books about ecopsychology that, on "primitive" cultures, babies were always been held by someone from the tribe, 24 hours a day, up until the time they could walk. According to the author, this gave a great sense of trust and security (of "being in the world") to the baby and much helped its further development, in a way that is difficult to imagine for civilized people, who are rarely raised this way and are even taken by some white monsters immediately following their birth.

Interesting timing on this........at lunch today I saw a Grandmother holding her baby granddaughter....it was the CUTEST baby I've ever seen.   Fuzzy head, huge blue eyes....she was clutching at her grandmother's shoulder, gazing at everything with huge eyes and her mouth open, a total sense of awe and wonder.   Everybody in the bagel shop was just staring at this baby with glazed over eyes and smiles.   Even guys had stopped eating and were smiling at her!   Her mom and Grandma were very interactive with her, always talking to her, giving her kisses, smiling and laughing.  Even when they sat down to eat and put her back in the stroller they continued to ooh and ahh over her instead of forgetting about her.  As a result, it was THE happiest baby I've seen in awhile.   She had lots of love, that's for sure, lots of affection.  I'm appalled at the way I see most people treat their babies out in public.  The general trend is total indifference.   The parents don't smile, they're not happy, and they certainly aren't happy to have their kids.  Their kids are just an annoyance in the way, an object that interferes with their conversations and with them shopping and eating.  They carry them around in those stupid hand held carrier things so the babies bump around all over the place into their parents' legs and knees and other objects.   You don't see them being picked up and "cuddled", the way the baby I just mentioned was.    You see them being picked up to be "moved" into a place that gets them out of the way of the parents.   It's just appalling.     

I'm going to light a firestorm with this one, I'm sure, but I'll stick my neck out and say what I've seen:   The coldest, least affectionate parents by far are white people.   People of color typically, in general, are warmer and more affectionate and APPRECIATIVE of their children.   They see them as a blessing, as opposed to many white people who have them, but then don't know why they did, and thus treat them as a burdon.    Now, it doesn't mean ALL white people are cold.  (in fact....teh baby I just mentioned was white......fuzzy blonde hair, blue eyes....)  And it doesn't mean ALL non-white people are warm.  But this is the trend I have seen over a lifetime.   In fact....many white parents seem loving and nice on the surface, but when I've looked closer, sometimes its just an act.   There's no actual loyalty towards their kids, no real support going on.  Letting the ball drop........turning around and disowning their kids for stupid reasons............total coldness.....I mean, does this go on in other non-white cultures??   Parents throwing their kids away?   It seems to be such a phenomenon here in America.   Although I know that those in England (ie......more white people!!)  are the same way.   

And how does this relate to this thread?  Well............if it's true that Aryan / White people have off-planetary origins.........(read between the lines on that one.....reptilian genetics....etc.)  then this could very well explain this. 

Just some food for thought............

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

I'm going to light a firestorm with this one, I'm sure, but I'll stick my neck out and say what I've seen:   The coldest, least affectionate parents by far are white people.

And maybe you will start a firestorm, but from my own observations through the years I have to support your statement. 

For my 40th birthday I was given 2 one year passes to Disney World.  About halfway through the year my mate and me actually noticed and discussed this very same thing lyra, it was obvious (even in a place where kids are supposed to actually get to be kids)--caucasion folks can be downright nasty with their children, and you know what? This transcended nationalities, but not color.

In a grocery store about a week and a half ago I kept passing by this particular man and his son.  This man was playing with, joking around with, hugging and kissing, etc. his son who was probably five.  It brought tears to my eyes because it was so damn beautiful to watch. Holy cow!  I was actually seeing public displays of affection between a man and his son! It was all I could do not to approach the man and tell him how much I admired him, but it didn't stop me from smiling big time at them both.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

15 (edited by lyra 2004-08-31 12:46:39)

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Thank you Auendove!  I knew I couldn't be the only one out there noticing this.   I think it says a LOT on both of our parts that it stops us in our tracks when we actually encounter loving, affectionate parents in public who seem genuinely thrilled to have their kids around.   I mean, my GOD, what does that say???   It means it's unfortunately, NOT the norm!   

One time I was at the Irvine Spectrum in Orange County and I walked past a normal looking suburban (WHITE) mom who was leaning down so she was up close in her son's face (he looked about 11) gripping both of his arms, and as I walked past I heard her hiss at him, with that fake smile and vice grip still going, ".......do you want me to punch you as hard as I can in your face??..........."   

The boy stood there, frozen in place, his eyes wide, then finally managed to shake his head no a few times.

I slowed down, not believing my ears, although the boys' eyes said it all.  I couldn't believe I actually heard that and so I kept going.  It was beyond anything I could comprehend.   I'm the first person to jump in on behalf of somone who needs someone to stand up for them, but this............I was so stunned that I just kept going.   

Auendove wrote:

my mate and me actually noticed and discussed this very same thing lyra, it was obvious (even in a place where kids are supposed to actually get to be kids)--caucasion folks can be downright nasty with their children, and you know what? This transcended nationalities, but not color.

Nasty is the word for it.  I've never witnessed that level of nastiness with non-white people.  I do know that non-white people abuse their kids, I know it happens.........but when I'm out and about, why is it always WHITE parents I find myself glaring at, due to the way they're treating their kids???   It's NEVER non-white people I have to glare at.   

The only theory that's ever made sense to me to explain away many quirks of white people is the whole off-planetary / reptilian genetics theory.   There's something inherantly cold about most white people, and if you're white and don't think you're cold, line yourself up next to a group of black people is all I have to say.   You'll soon realize just how reserved and cold white people are.  Black people are boisterous, friendly, talkative and generally uninhibited.   I don't see them yanking their kids around by the arms, hissing at their kids, making ugly nasty frown faces while bellowing at them in public stores, threatening them with actual real, serious threats.   I just have never SEEN this.   And there is something to this, whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

(EDIT:   Sorry if this is turning into a topic for another thread.   While it's mostly related to what was being talked about here, I can move this over to a new thread if it's too off topic............)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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