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MorningSun76
Sowelu
MonTalk
Large Grok-A-Lito In Progress:
Relative To OUR ‘New’ / Real / True Minds,
Which Are Coming On-Line:
If you’re a savior, there will be something to save.......
If you’re a helper, there will be something to help.......
etcetera and etcetera and etcetera.......
This doesn’t diminish the truth of what has been,
Just Emphasizes:
What Will Be
If I may invoke old Ideas about reincarnation...
Supposing it's ALL about experience
and Supposing Gnosis is Spiritual Understanding... perhaps 'learning' isn't always a concious process.
maybe Some Folks Don't Need to Grok, Only Feel 'cause they "maxed some stats" on the HGA in Other Episodes, and This Time are just Picking Up the Pieces. They're "lucky" in that which they need not comprehend... "perfect fools" with perennial "beginner's luck" and helping them might not be a big help.
A dream:
**X, (66 yrs, world traveler, medical military bkgd.) is in a large, luxurious hotel. He knows his cousin, Y is staying there and wants to reach him on the 11th floor.
X notices that he is in possession of a wondrous gadget keychain with many and varied tools. He feels proud of it.
Upon reaching the elevator, he realizes it has no way of reaching Y on the 11th floor, the button simply isn't there. He approaches a bellboy (noted as being obviusly jewish) who is in conversation with some other person, not detailed. Managing to obtain the bellboy's attention, he asks for help reaching the 11th floor, to which the bellboy answers he can help, but only if X consigns his keychain.
This meets with violent internal resistance, but in the end X relents. The bellboy promptly launches the keychain away on the floor, where it slides under a couch. X is enraged, sets off after the keychain to retrieve it saying "F* you you F*ing jew!"**
--Subject Awakes from dream troubled.--
Moral: some folks maybe just need to play with their keychains this time around, even if inside they know there's an "11th floor". others need to build up their keysets to unlock the door they've known about for a while. diagnosing folks' "place" would be a presumptuous exersise, let folks seeking help show up on their own accord and do what you can if they ask. "the messaiah will not teach in the streets" or some such stuff.
Large Grok-A-Lito In Progress:
OK, I didn't know what "grok" meant, so I had to look it up. For the benefit of anyone else who doesn't know:
grok
To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy.[from the novel "Stranger in a Strange Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with']
morningsun, I had a line of thought recently that was similar to the possible message conveyed by your dream. It was this: when you press someone into waking up who is either absolutely incapable or unwilling to do so at this time, if you push hard enough you might succeed but only in a way that breaks and destabilizes them. And when that happens, you will be responsible for their resulting unbalancing. So when they fall, you either fall down with them out of sympathy and guilt for their descent into existential despair or paranoia, or else you take on their weight just to keep them up. If they are pushed into something so heavy that they themselves cannot bear it, they might become dependent on you as their lifeline to "truth" due to their being yet unable to resiliently think for themselves. It's like forcing a premature birth before the baby can breathe and grow on its own.
And to Sowelu, too, this is such an excellent point. It took me a long time to realize this, but when I did it was like a light bulb plus fireworks going off in my head. I don't have anything else to add-- you two have said it best already.
This is the first dream I've been able to remember in a very long time.
The earliest point I can remember was in a large auditorium made mostly of steel. I was playing in a concert in front of many people. I could see their faces but I didn't recognize anyone. I can't remember what instrument I was playing, if I even was playing one. I realized that I was playing with my friend C. Then I realized Papa Roach was also playing with me. (A few days earlier I had seen them playing on Conan O'Brien and earlier that day my brother had mentioned to me that Papa Roach had gotten too emo for his tastes. Coincidences?) Then I realized that all the members of Papa Roach were naked, but I wasn't and neither was C. When the concert ended and the crowd was cheering, I discovered that there was a very large cushion in front of the stage that when I bounced on it, I would fly up and hit my head on the ceiling, which was probably about 60 feet from the cushion. The ceiling had a rough texture exactly like the kind in the basement of my house as well as my room. Then I saw a child sitting in a windowsill very high up (the only window in the auditorium). The "camera" switched to a shot of the child from the outside and he had a cardboard sign saying something religiously offensive, I can't remember what it said though. Then a priest walked up some stairs that were right next to the window and said "Thanks."
The next thing I remember I was laying down on my bed in my room with another bed right next to mine (This extra bed was the only thing different about my room) that C was laying on. The lights were off but there was an eerie light coming from the windows and the open doorway. C and I were passing a juicebox back and forth and were chatting about the concert. Then two girls came into my room. I could only see a silhouette of them but one of them appeared to be a fairly attractive girl about the same age as C, and the other seemed to be a much younger version of the first girl. C said, "Come here." The older girl approached C and they started kissing. The younger one approached me but then I said, "Not you. You go away." The young girl left and I got a message from a young girl I "remembered" talking to earlier. (This could be from an earlier point in the dream that I can't remember or just my dream character's memory) I can't remember what kind of message it was but I think it was a text message on my cell phone. It said, "I'm getting very frustrated with you. I'm coming in your house in 60 seconds and you better be ready or you'll regret it." Or something along those lines. Then C passed me the juicebox, I finished it off, then got up to throw it away. While I was up, I walked over to the stairway and looked up. The young girl was at the top of the stairs. I immediately felt terrified of the little girl, mostly because of her appearance. (At this point I again "remembered" her telling me what she looked like beforehand, and she looked exactly like how she described herself: a bloated old woman the size of a seven-year-old.) She came down the stairs to me with a large grocery bag in her hand and just looked at me without saying anything. I tried to talk to her calmly and tell her that she couldn't be in my house, but I was so scared I couldn't say anything. Then I woke up because I was so scared.
Something strange is that during this dream (or atleast parts of it) I was very close to being awake. I can remember during some parts of the dream I would shift my sleeping body to get more comfortable. I was aware of it, yet I was still dreaming.
Also, is it strange that this is the first dream I've been able to remember in a very long time?
I saw a slender, white tonardo in my dream this morning. I wasn't scared by it and waited for it to approach, despite my wife wanting to run away. When it got close I saw that it was being generated by a mechanical device. There was a white, PVC-like pipe shooting a stream high into the air, and other pipes causing it to spin. There was earth packed around it.
Upon reflection I wonder how many dream elements are created by energetic devices?
Interesting dream this morning. It was afternoon and all of a sudden it got dark like night. Some guy says "it's a double eclipse" like one after another. I look at the sun and it's not like a usual eclipse but rather something is rushing across the sky and blocking off most of the light but you could see still see the sun. Then the weather turned bad with lots of dark clouds and thunderstorms.
A few hours later after awakening I open up "I Am That" by Nisargadatta, just pick a random page and read the following: the mind must learn that beyond the moving mind there is the background of awareness, which does not change. The mind must come to know the true self and respect it and cease covering it up, like the moon which obscures the sun during solar eclipse. Just realize that nothing observable, or experienceable is you, or binds you. Take no notice of what is not yourself.
Last night I dreamed that I was in high school again! For some reason, I forgot to drive my car to school, and had to walk home. Huh? That makes no sense. So then I'm packing up my books, and some cat people come out and say, "Hey, scary girl! Do you have asthma?"
I said, "I do not have asthma! I have had a really bad day!"
Then they start singing a cutesy happy song.
Me: Stop trying to cheer me up! You're making it worse!
Cat girls: Okay!
So then I ride my bike home...all 12 miles. O_O
That isn't the first dream I've had about forgetting my car. I sense a theme here.
I forgot to drive my car to school, and had to walk home. Huh? That makes no sense.
I've had a couple dreams years ago that were just like this where I walked home from middle school because I missed my ride.
So a new development in my dreams over about the last week or so is that several times I've now smelled stuff in my dream, and even tasted as well. I've never experienced this before and wondered if anybody else has had this. In fact in the past, it was clearly the two senses that were missing in my dreams. I remember having dreams where something was there that I should have smelled but didn't...thus alerting me to the dreamstate of it all and kind of triggering me to wake up from it.
Now, here's a side note: Since the Anna Nicole Smith debacle http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 83&p=1 I've shunned the media for the final time. It was one of many contributing motivators that all came together at the same time to encourage me to give up the internet nonsense and walk away for good, and so far it's been almost 8 days of no longer visiting all the standby gossip blogs and fluffy news sites to fill in the time. I've tried it before but failed, but this time it's different. So I'm wondering if cutting back on all that "noise" has somehow made my dreams more vivid, because that's another component of these dreams - they're a lot more wild and colorful. So for people who don't remember their dreams or generally just have nonsense pointless dreams with little recall, maybe the problem is possibly having too much media noise and mental distraction during the day. Maybe eliminating nearly all of that clears the way for a more vivid dream state during sleep? Who knows....
That's a great point. I think that so many people are tied down with direct imagery, where you're being assaulted with video clips, that many are losing a great deal of their imagination, and most importantly, their memory! Detaching yourself from all the trivial bs that's on the news, and instead reading books, listening to stories, etc. increases the strength of the creative/inspirational aspects of your soul. I don't watch too much TV, but I listen to music and try to visualize stories/scenes based on it.
I've tasted and touched things in my dreams, and particularly in lucid dreams, I'm amazed at how even in the dream world, alot of the things we think being tied only to this existance on 3D Earth are still there...gravity, your senses, everything.
I had this particularly interesting dream the other night:
Me and my friend were travelling along Queen St in Toronto, walking on crutches that basically functioned as stilts so we would avoid getting our socks wet in the snow that covered the sidewalk. We then began walking through a park. We were walking down a set of stairs, and for some reason, it was more comfortable for me to walk down the steep set of stairs by using the crutches. My friend remarked "I can't use these anymore!", and before I knew it, all the snow had disappeared. There remained holes of water dotted throughout the field.
Then a little girl began to follow us. We started playing "fetch" (lol I know...my friend gave me the impression that he saw her as a "dog") with a blue bucket we would throw into the holes of water. Then, I looked to the area we were walking towards, and I saw an interesting sight: a young person, who's silhouette, set in the backdrop of a setting sun, clung to a fence that surrounded an icerink. She was setting birds free.
Then my alarm went off. I'm thinking about what this dream means, but I'd really appreciate any help you could lend me!
Also, I find that my most intense dreams were during a period where I used the computer rarely and only for a couple of minutes. But, I was also going through a particularly rough patch of my life, so that has probably more to do with it.
I still get scenes taken out of sci-fi movies in my dreams once in a while...those I always find interesting because it's usually when I go to bed with the wish "To see something from the future"...also, I've been finding that my dreams, after they're decoded, really help me, and can allude to certain events that may happen...or reassurances that certain things won't happen. Dreams are awesome!
For people who don't remember their dreams or generally just have nonsense pointless dreams with little recall maybe the problem is possibly having too much media noise and mental distraction during the day. Maybe eliminating nearly all of that clears the way for a more vivid dream state during sleep? Who knows....
Hey Lyra,
That's cool! I keep a notebook by my bed lately, though I don't always remember to INTEND at bedtime that I will remember my dreams. But when I woke up this morning ... err, evening 
... I remembered two different ones.
Now I don't have a TV, but I still do check Rense and Alex Jones regularly. I know you've been battling with "resisting the click" on and off for quite awhile now, with varying success. Maybe just for the sake of experiment, I'll also give it a go ... for awhile, anyway, just to see if there are any noticable effects. It would be interesting to see if total media disconnect would help with dreamscape remembrance and other aspects of life related to the subtler realms.
Plus, as an added bonus, it might help me to get things better organized. Reading those sites is something that's become an unconscious habit for me, and it's healthy to intentionally break those habits from time to time. It helps to keep one's mind alert and sharply tuned.
So, now it's just a question of will ... I'll let you know how that turns out! 
Is anyone else up for it? I dare you! haha
I had a pretty weird dream the other day about Britney Spears. This dream was before her bald head fiasco.
My dream felt extremely real to the point where I woke up and literally ran out of my room and I was confused for about 5 minutes not knowing whether if I was awake or not, asking myself "did she really die?!" . But to make this short and simple, my dream was about:
-Britney Spears dying at the age of 28: "Entertainer Britney Spears, 28, dead" while reading the yahoo page in my dream.
-Huge display of tarot cards in my dream about her. I'm not into tarot cards, but I remeber the "death" card and the "swords" cards were the main focus, displayed against a black wall like a film projector.
-I also had the number 23 and 70 pertaining to her, though I don't know what that means.
The next few days, I just had a really bad feeling/vibe from her and even today, I was reading up on her to the point where I felt like I was giving myself a psychic attack after reading about her. I seriously think she's mind controlled 100%, especially after the shaven head thing. It looks like a machine malfunction and she just went ahead and gave herself a bad haircut.
But then again, Lyra is right- it may be residue from paying attention to this media stuff, though the tarot cards were strange.
Now I don't have a TV, but I still do check Rense and Alex Jones regularly. I know you've been battling with "resisting the click" on and off for quite awhile now, with varying success. Maybe just for the sake of experiment, I'll also give it a go ... for awhile, anyway, just to see if there are any noticable effects. It would be interesting to see if total media disconnect would help with dreamscape remembrance and other aspects of life related to the subtler realms.
Plus, as an added bonus, it might help me to get things better organized. Reading those sites is something that's become an unconscious habit for me, and it's healthy to intentionally break those habits from time to time. It helps to keep one's mind alert and sharply tuned.
That's exactly it......it was this unconscious habit. I work at this temp job that usually has next to nothing going on, and so it was just a given to hop on the 'net and start surfing away. But then it soon became an unconscious habit, to the point where even when I was at home, if I'd click out of my email or the Noble Realms forum I'd stop by a couple of those sites really quick to check in and see what the latest craziness is in Entertainment Land. Five minutes here, five minutes there, it became an unconscious habit for "space filling."
I can tell you what it's like when you remove websites that have become a daily unconscious habit....it's like trying to break free from a gravity field. Truly. Imagine being in a spaceship trying to pull up and away from Earth to break free of the gravity. But once you get past a certain point - took a week for me - you're home free. For that first week I kept itching to click over....click over.....click over.....and would have to re-direct my attention elsewhere, namely reading. Also it helped that last week was the busiest week I've ever had at this silly temp job. I had more work given to me last week than any other week since I started 9 months ago. Convenient and helpful "coincidence." But when I had down time I was prepared with good books....and as you noted, books help stimulate our imaginations.
I remember when I was a teen when I'd be reading a book I'd literally put myself into a light hypnotic trance. I could get so deep into the book that the sound of the world around me faded out and became silent, all I "heard" was the story in my mind. I've lost that ability over the years, to the point where by 1998, I was psuedo-A.D.D., even though I don't have ADD. I couldn't finish reading most anything I started. Then I became interested in non-fiction subjects, which create a different effect than story material. So shutting out all the excess media noise has to help in that regard, will be nice to see if I can return to the way I used to be way back when!
So, now it's just a question of will ... I'll let you know how that turns out!
Is anyone else up for it? I dare you! haha
It's highly recommended. http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3519 I think it's the best thing I've done in a long while. In fact....I got a lot of positive numbers during the time when I said "Enough's enough!!" So I know it's the best thing. Media noise is one of the most destructive things going on with humanity. imo.
I had a pretty weird dream the other day about Britney Spears. This dream was before her bald head fiasco.
Thanks for the unintentional additional motivator, proto. haha
Synchronistically, my co-workers just began discussing celeb entertainment stuff....including Britney Spears, within minutes of me having read this. Only rarely do they talk about celebs, usually it's endless discussion surrounding every trivial detail and nauseating minutae of "child reaaring," complete with full on re-enactment of entire bits of conversation that took place between them and their kids....done in the kids' voices!......and full blow-by-blow run down of everything they do as families, causing me to want to stick the trashcan over my head. SO, needless to say, that was an interesting synch. But then again, they have the uncanny habit of blabbering back and forth about stuff that will synchronistically line up to things that I'm reading or writing, to the point of freakishness.
Proto, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that your dream is a prophetic one. I'm not a gossip site visitor, but every now and then some strange bit of entertainment news on MSN will grab my attention-- and I'll click! But this was said about Britney's escapade, which confirms the mind control aspect:
"It was all so sad and so very strange. She must have said, 'I am a good mother! I am a good mother!' about a dozen times. It almost was like she was in some kind of trance." .... She was kind of flat, just there in body but not emotionally."
You don't get much more mind-controlled than that. I'll bet her handlers are pissed. Or maybe not, maybe they hit the self-destruct button themselves.
Just one more thing to add: in the article I was reading, they keep making references to her HANDLERS! I'm not kidding. In one reference, they called them her "comeback-minded handlers," which I initially read as mind-control handlers and momentarily wondered which site I was on. Then they said this was a move to become independent of her handlers. Curiouser and curiouser.
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