Topic: questions regarding remote viewing/influencing

Okay, this might sound like a stupid question, but I really need some input here.

What do you all think about remote viewing?

From what I can gather, rving is like ESP for dummies? Let me clarify: if you have a knack for the psychic stuff, you naturally have ESP, but for those whose talents are latent, RV is for teaching the normal person to use ESP.  Is this a correct assumption? I've heard that all people have the ability, it's just that it comes natural to some and not to others.

After coming back from Sedona to see a 'guru' (who I should have ran from), I had a synch lead me to buying Nexus for the first time, which led to me finding an ad for RVing from probablefuture. So this looks interesting enough; I fork over the money, join the student forum (grillflame), and proceed to read the posts there. One post led me to montalk's site, which brought me here, thankfully.

So this probablefuture site is all about being One with all, yada yada, and I find myself falling for the feel-good articles about love and light. I read all of Gerald's articles, but kept finding something missing. So luckily I found this place. It's just another step in my journey, you could say.

All of this leads to the fact that now I'm terrified of learning how to RV/RI. I've read so many different points of view, and I'm very confused. On one hand, learning to view would probably count towards honing my psychic skills, which is imperative to protecting oneself. But then on the other hand, I can't help but worry about the possibility of doing this only to be used by the military in some fashion. I've read that abductees are used for that sort of thing. To my knowledge, I've never been 'taken', but who knows?  I've had many strange physical things happen to me that could be viewed as leaving this dimension.

Oh, and the fact that rving comes from the military doesn't really sit well with me either. I guess I'm worried that they've made this endeavor public so that they can gather their masses when the time comes; as in, using all these people that have learned how to view as pawns in their game. Does this sound like a reasonable fear, or am I just being overly paranoid?

So, yeah--now I have a $300 set of tapes sitting in my house not being used because I don't know which way to go...

Is remote viewing a good thing or a bad thing?

Any comments will be greatly appreciated...

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My feeling is that, like astral projection, it's tool that's neither good nor bad.  There are lots of things that are intrinsically good or neutral that the military hijacks for its own uses.  The fact that they're interested means it's valid, but has no bearing on its orientation.

I don't see that there would be harm in trying it and really seeing how you feel about it.  If you get the willies, back off.   But I think part of your answer would be found in defining for yourself why you want to do this.  If your intentions are for more power, control over others, all STS, then you might be open to negative influences.  But if you don't have those openings, you're not as prey to influence.  That's my take on it, anyway.

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Seeking the Truth wrote:

Oh, and the fact that rving comes from the military doesn't really sit well with me either. I guess I'm worried that they've made this endeavor public so that they can gather their masses when the time comes; as in, using all these people that have learned how to view as pawns in their game. Does this sound like a reasonable fear, or am I just being overly paranoid?  But then on the other hand, I can't help but worry about the possibility of doing this only to be used by the military in some fashion. I've read that abductees are used for that sort of thing. To my knowledge, I've never been 'taken', but who knows?  I've had many strange physical things happen to me that could be viewed as leaving this dimension.

I don't know, but those are interesting points.  Why has it suddenly gotten so well known to the public?   Why are people now allowed to know that the government had/has secret projects employing RV'ers and psychic warriors?   Whenever we're "allowed" to know something - and I don't mean just one or two people coming forward, I mean books, articles and websites devoted to this subject - then yeah, it needs to be questioned.  What's going on, what's the agenda, and so on.

As far as whether learning RV'ing makes one vulnerable for use by "stuff," that's an interesting idea too.  Certainly if one is already an abductee, especially of the military/MILAB variety, then I'd imagine that "They" would of course become aware of this newfound skill, and sure, why not put it to good use.  And if you're not already an abductee, then does remote viewing somehow put up a sort of "psychic flag" that notifies "stuff" and clues them in to your new skill?   Does signing up for a course and ordering their products put one on a list that "they" use to scope for new recruits?  It all sounds so paranoid and over the top, but I'm only theorizing because you asked!  big_smile  I really don't know.   


Seeking the Truth wrote:

All of this leads to the fact that now I'm terrified of learning how to RV/RI. I've read so many different points of view, and I'm very confused. On one hand, learning to view would probably count towards honing my psychic skills, which is imperative to protecting oneself.

So, yeah--now I have a $300 set of tapes sitting in my house not being used because I don't know which way to go...

Is remote viewing a good thing or a bad thing?

Any comments will be greatly appreciated...

Remote viewing in itself isn't bad.   It's just a psychic skill, neutral.  It's how it's used that matters.  Telekinesis, telepathy, etc. could also be misused towards negative ends too when you think about it. 

I've done RV'ing once in my waking state, and only once, even though I didn't know at the time that it was called "remote viewing."  Only learned that term after the fact, so I had no formal knowledge or training on this...in the waking state, anyway.  And interestingly, I've never really wanted to do it again.  I had no idea what to expect, I just knew that I had the most intense desire to locate the target person in question because they'd disappeared, and had been MIA for several weeks, and I was anxious and worried.  I sat down on my floor, closed my eyes, and mentally sought them out with that intense emotional drive behind it all, that I HAVE TO FIND THIS PERSON!!!!   I wanted it more than anything.  Within I'd say maybe 10 - 15 seconds tops, there was a flash of electric blue light against black, like I'd been whirling through a quick tunnel and them BOOM! I was looking in on the person I was trying to find.  Live time, not a still frame.  They were moving around and everything.  It was like being a fly on the wall, watching them in the scene.  I got so freaked out by it I yanked myself out of it, gasping, like, WOW!!!  big_smile   It scared me, because it caught me off guard.  I didn't expect to be that good or to actually find myself "there," where they were, live time.  I'm not sure what I was expecting necessarily.  Definitely not that.  Months later I got confirmation from this person that what I'd seen was real and accurate. 

I think I "knew" I could do this because I've been trained how to do it "on the side," you could say.   Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it.  Again, it's a neutral psychic skill, and it's all in how it's used.  I used it that once to locate somebody who'd gone missing for several weeks, because I was worried.  No harm in that, it was done out of concern.  But there are people using it to spy, and for neferious purposes....potential for harm.  I haven't studied up on any possible negative effects of it all, if any, but I think it probably can hone one's psychic skills and could be beneficial in that regard, if that's one's aim.   If you've already spent the $300 then I say go for it.  Why not.  If buying it put you on some sort of "list," well, it's already too late, so, may as well get something out of the deal.  wink   And if you actually are an abductee (which you said you don't believe you are) then they've already got you anyway.   So again, may as well put the course to use and benefit from it.  Would be kind of a waste otherwise.   But that's just my opinion, others probably feel differently.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: questions regarding remote viewing/influencing

If we remember all the money and efforts secret government agencies invested in remote viewing, with the help of demonologists, biophysicists and channelers, we should remain very careful whenever remote viewing enters our phenomenological sphere of experience...  But being careful is not necessarily strict avoidance. We should ask ourselves: what kind of lessons can be learnt from RV in our everyday live, in our struggle with alien parasites, and without falling into its multiple dimensional traps?

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Hmmm, some "gotchas" to look out for:

* When RV becomes like channeling, and you are fed false impressions by deceptive entities.

* Using RV to get rich in financial speculation; sometimes this attracts matrix "law enforcement" who hunt cheaters.

* Tapping into 4D things that your 3D mind cannot correctly interpret, then taking these symbolic approximations literally.

* Seeing a probable future and mistaking it for an unavoidable future.

* Being unable to RV probable futures that are out of synch with your personal probable future trajectory / personal soul frequency. Those with low frequencies, who are prone to wishful thinking, seem most limited by this; often caught by surprise because things turn out differently.

The military RV protocols seem designed to minimize the dependence of personal soul frequency in the remote viewing process. That's why it is very rigid and procedural. I'm guessing it is based on advanced quantum mechanics applied to nonlocal conscious observation. It could be fun experimenting with, but I would think that actual esoteric systems of spiritual developments would ultimately be more effective (like what Rudolf Steiner advised in his books, as in How to Know Higher Worlds, etc...).

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Montalk wrote: 
* When RV becomes like channeling, and you are fed false impressions by deceptive entities.

Very good point, Montalk, and quite scary.  I was taught how to muscle test about a year ago and I later found out that I was channeling.  NOT something I wanted to do nor did I even know it was happening. I thought I was talking to my 'higher self', but apparently I collected a bunch of entities to me thru that.  I worry that they would invade while I was doing RVing, like you said.  The rest of your list is very good, too. Thank you.

Lyra wrote:
And if you're not already an abductee, then does remote viewing somehow put up a sort of "psychic flag" that notifies "stuff" and clues them in to your new skill?   Does signing up for a course and ordering their products put one on a list that "they" use to scope for new recruits?  It all sounds so paranoid and over the top, but I'm only theorizing because you asked!    I really don't know.

Doesn't sound too paranoid to me, because those are questions running thru my head! But of course, I tend to be very wary of things.

Lono wrote: There are lots of things that are intrinsically good or neutral that the military hijacks for its own uses.  The fact that they're interested means it's valid, but has no bearing on its orientation.

Thanks for your input, Lono. But the thing is.....the (Russian) military created this, they're not merely interested in it.  The western block is actually behind the eastern one on this. They brought it over from the East, but they weren't as interested in the psychic part. They thought they could RV without it, so western RV courses are lacking in the spiritual aspect. It's like they're teaching machines instead of people.  That's precisely why it bothers me. Of course, none of these questions arised until after I bought the damn tapes...:rolleyes:

I don't see that there would be harm in trying it and really seeing how you feel about it.  If you get the willies, back off.   But I think part of your answer would be found in defining for yourself why you want to do this.  If your intentions are for more power, control over others, all STS, then you might be open to negative influences.  But if you don't have those openings, you're not as prey to influence.  That's my take on it, anyway.

I have gone thru the introductory 'brain entrainment' CD and the first tape-both sides. It's when I got to the second tape that I started having concerns.  And yeah, I was getting the willies, too.  I mean, this guy's voice was...I don't know...creepy? And there's these really weird things on the recordings, which they say is part of the program, but I don't know...

As far as the usage goes:  I'm an STO kind of girl, if you want to put a label on me, so the reasons for wanting to RV are benevolent.  I want to be able to heal myself (which you can supposedly do while in deep theta), and I wanted to look into the probable future to see where it would be safe for my family in the future (since our country's so f*cked up). 

Druid wrote:
We should ask ourselves: what kind of lessons can be learnt from RV in our everyday live, in our struggle with alien parasites, and without falling into its multiple dimensional traps?

Thanks, Druid. That's part of my paranoia--the whole trap question.

Is RVing just another part of this whole messed up astral reality?  Well, yes, I suppose. I don't know why I asked. I guess it's a rhetorical question.  I'm wondering if there's another option in that big mess, but I'll save that for another post...

Thanks to everyone for sharing. smile 

Anyone/thing else??

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Develop what you will, as you will. Be true to Self and Bear In Mind:

"By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them"
[[-- Book 6, or The Book of the Hand and the Arrow, official instructions of the A.'.A.'.]]

There's Traps and Treasures in Every Step You Take, (and also in all those you don't.)

Information is NOT Knowledge.

Fear is Failure and the Precursor of Failure. It is also the Breakfast of Parasitic Champions.

If it don't feel right, skip it. You can always come back later.

Don't do anything that gives you the willies. Maybe it's benign, if so, it'll still be there later when you have greater comprehension. If not, good riddance.

There are no "act now while supplies last!" disciplines.

Love is the law, love under will.
   
     Zejith Themis
      .:420-510:.
    FIAT IUSTITIA
    RUAT COELUM

Re: questions regarding remote viewing/influencing

As for remote viewing or directed second sight, I quote Steiner from Initiatory Knowledge: "
Jacob Boehme would be a solar type of clairvoyant. He could push aside his own self and enter into the 'thing in itself'.  Here's how second sight works: look at something, a shadow for example, and deliberately push aside the sensory impression. What is left when the sensory impression is pushed aside? what remains is the spiritual (manifesting itself in an etheric image). This is the process of second sight. Druids have done this kind of work in the past, tasting the nuances of the shades of the shadows of the sun-light as projected by their dolmens, in Stonehendge for instance, in different period of the year, according to their own astrological calendar. With stronger and more systematic efforts, possibly with egotistic or fallacious motives, it becomes remote viewing. Using spiritual powers to serve oneself is a path leading ultimately to black magic.

If I feel I am sensing what something else is sensing in another part of the planet, this is second sight (RV), even though it does not necessarily involves the sense of sight. Every other sensory organ can be involved in remote viewing.  People who live in monasteries often do a lot of remote viewing, because they are litteraliy 'remote' from the world, in mountains, in the country. Paracelsus had this gift of second sight, but he melted this visionary faculty with intellectual formal knowledge, with enhanced his capacity of knowledge and his healing herbs and metals discoveries. He developed therapeutics through his imaginative power. This is eminently solar, it is linked to Inspiration, but in a slight ataviastic/retarded way.  Saturn type would be Swedenborg, with his gift of knowing truth and falsehood in the same way we differentiate warmth from coldness. He gained this atavistic power through sexual abstinence, with is a non-developemental way of aquiring powers... i.e. this is abnormal powers, and his rigourous discipline revived atavitsitc powers latent in him self.  Finally, a lunar type would be somnabulistic. Normally, dreaming should not be followed by actual muscle movements, but in the case of somnambulism, the muscles are not paralysed in REM dreaming, and thus the person is influenced by moon forces taking him upside and walking. Taken away from gravity forces by the levity attraction force of the moon. Imaginations are given through moon influences, atavistically, it becomes fanciful fantasy and imagination, followed or not by somnambulism.   


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Concerning the duality of clairvoyance, here's some precisions from my point of view:

Steiner distinguished two kinds of clairvoyance. The first one is one that occurred naturally in everyone's past lives. This is the old clairvoyance. Today it is an atavistic phenomenon. There is also some heredity principle behind that. Everyone was in his past lives, a clairvoyant, that is we saw the beings of nature which are invisible to us today, we were living beside masters of wisdom and also beside luciferic spirits. In Atlantis, ahrimanic demonic beings entered the scene - they tempted Atlanteans into black magic. There is some atlantean atavistic clairvoyance retained in shamanism (a siberian-mongol name for the phenomenon of trance involved in magical-medicine performance). Mongolis retained the qualities of Atlanteans to preserve atavistic clairvoyance. This sort of shamanism is frozen and rigidified. It is now no more than a parody of the ancient hyperborean wisdom.

It is awakening again through efforts in this sense by anti-grail lodges using military and secret governement agencies. Atlantis is being reinitiated.

In the times of the ancient clairvoyance, people used magic and drugs and exctatic practices to gain contact with the spiritual world. This is no longer possible to reach the spiritual way in a healty way by using these means. The new clairvoyance cannot rely on the powers of the blood, of heredity, which are of an atavistic nature.

In the past, Gods revealed themselves through visions and extatic experiences. Today, everything akin to vision is pathological. The old clairvoyance has fallen into demon's hand. they manipulate us by re-enlivening the atavistic clairvoyant faculties in our blood.

For example: visions from past lives are more often the result of possession than a real reliving of a real past life of our Ego. Also, Grays often talk telepathically and show images of ecological catastrophies or induce visions. They crawl into our mind by the door of atavistic clairvoyance. Parallel to ufo investigations, CIA programs also develop remote viewing and mediumship. They do this inspired by Grays and other so-called ET beings. Chips often induce sleepy hypnoid states. It is most often in these states between waking and sleeping that the so-called Et engage us in encounters or abductions.(By the way they aren't extraterrestrial at all. Everything on earth, including ourselves is linked to the cosmos, so that's nothing to worship them for. They are intraterrestrial but from a realm that we should call the Anti-Earth, or Hades).

Most atavistic clairvoyants reject logic. It is merely because they will loose their "power" if they do learn to think logically, with their own Ego. The ultimate proof that atavistic clairvoyance is useless is that we do not remember our past lives, where we were clairvoyants. But someone who developed his thinking to imbue it with will, and vice versa, imbuing his will with thinking, develops his Ego so that in future lives he will be able to remember clearly his past lives, without relying on misguiding visions.

Everything involving visions, hallucinations, from subtle hypnoid states, remote viewing (intentional second sight), to downright profound trance, are pathological symptoms of atavistic clairvoyance. the normal state of consciousness is drawn downward, the mid gets sleepy and delves into the unconscious (with its dangerous forces of the metabolism and complexes - demons - and so on). Spiritism and mediumship is equally dangerous, involving some sort of black magic. People who accord credit to mediums and their claims are relying on a misguiding autority that is a counterforce to the development of the Ego. One looses his will by becoming a clairvoyant. the person is in danger to get lost in the eighth sphere, which sucks everything in its shadowy existence (the moon is the counterforce of the 8th sphere, the realm of Lucifer and Ahriman).   

Shamanism relies on atavistic faculties of the body. Demons manipulate this sort of clairvoyance, but they cannot misguide us if we are trained in logical thinking to recognize the illusions coming from visions, premonitions etc.

The new way of clairvoyance is developed by following a discipline in thinking, to reach the spiritual through sensefree thinking - a thinking that goes beyond the mere phenomenal appearances analyzed by the brain, a brainless thinking. Brain-bound thinking is the materialistic way of thinking, and by the way interest in spiritual can be utterly materialistic if one does not meditate to go beyond the brain experience of sensorial impressions.

But, seen from another side, we must rely our knowledge on direct experience, not visions, hallucinations or shamanistic practices. These produce a knowledge that is highly biased by the perceiver.

Me must avoid ‘objective occultism’, that is using occultism like a mere tool without understanding the involvement of the subjectivity of the Self in it. Also we must avoid the ‘subjective mysticism’, in which oriental theosophy and New Age like to dwell:  rapture in extatic and mystical but fuzzy blurry state. A mystic is lost in the world of Ideas. A Spiritual scientist tries to go beyond the threshold without getting sleepy or in any "altered state" of consciousness. They for the new clairvoyance is not to get the mind below the threshold of ordinary day-light consciousness. This way we only get to know Under-nature, or Subnature, the under-earth squirming with locusts and ufos and demons of technology. We must get above the ordinary consciousness, not under. We move our way upward through sensefree thinking, by liberating thinking from the brain, by meditating without getting sleepy. We have to go beyond the mere sensory impressions to encounter the phenomenon as a whole. The phenomenal world is not illusion in itself, we make it into an illusion by clinging to it. The phenomenal world is natures open secret, that awaits our (re)discovery, not through atavistic practices but through the development of the Ego, capable to encounter the whole world of phenomenon as an expression of spiritual beings. In sensefree thinking, we encounter spiritual beings in Images that we make by ourselves, by concentrating upon it. People who get visions receive them independently from their conscious activity. It is imposed on them: that is a pathological symptom. Self-made imaginations are the key to sensefree thinking and (re)connection to the spiritual worlds and beings. We must learn, for example, to collaborate with nature invisible beings, in biodynamy or art. Not the ancient way of Nature's gods pagan cults, nor through shamanism.

what I exposed is a way of knowledge inspired by Goethe and furthered by Steiner.


Examples of atavisms: spiritism and deuteroscopia (second sight in space primarily, but also in time) hidden behind prescient thought-feelings. According to Rudolf Steiner, in...

Materialism and Spirituality: Life and Death, Berlin, February 6, 1917. From Cosmic and Human Metamorphoses (GA 175) Lecture 1. http://steinerbooks.org/research/archiv … oses_1.htm

"We must be quite clear as to the fact that when a man passes through the gate of death, the human individuality is at first for a short time, enshrouded in the astral body and etheric body; and that the latter after a more or less brief period – varying in different cases, but never lasting more than a few days – passes out into the etheric world and there pursues its further destiny; so that the individuality enters the Spiritual world with the astral body only, and continues its further wanderings in that world. The etheric body is severed from the human individuality just as the physical body was on earth. Now we must clearly understand that in Spiritualistic seances, – and the whole work of Sir Oliver Lodge is based on these, – only one who has real knowledge is able to distinguish whether the communications come from the actual individuality, or only from the cast-off, forsaken etheric corpse. This etheric corpse still remains in continual communication with the individuality. Only, when one gets into connection with the spiritual world in a round-about way through a medium, one comes in touch with the etheric corpse first, and so can never be sure of reaching in this way the actual individual. It is certain that there is in our age a striving to find for Spiritual existence some sort of proof such as is found by experiments in the laboratory, something which can be grasped with hands and that one can see before one in the world of matter. Our materialistic age does not care to follow the inner path the soul must take in the Spiritual worlds, the purely Spiritual path. It wants the spirit to descend into the material world and be discovered there. We are experiencing all kinds of materialistic Spiritualism, a materialistic turning to the worlds of the spirit. Now, it is quite possible for the etheric body, which has been separated from the actual human individuality, to manifest a certain life of its own which, to the uninitiated, may easily be mistaken for the life of the individual himself. We must not think that the etheric body when given over to the etheric world only manifests reminiscences and recollections, mere echoes of what the man passes through here; it manifests a real continuous individuality. It can relate incidents and say quite new things, But we should be going quite off the track if we thought that because a connection is established with the etheric body, we are necessarily in connection with the individual himself. It is very possible in the case of people sitting in a small circle – all being members of the family as was the case with the Lodges, all thinking in one way or another about the dead man, and all filled with thoughts and memories of him, – that their thoughts may be conveyed to his etheric body through the medium, and that this etheric body may occasionally give striking replies, which may really produce the impression of being spoken by the individuality of the dead. Yet, perhaps, they may only proceed from his etheric corpse. Those who are acquainted with such things actually find this to be the case, and when Raymond Lodge was supposed to come to his family through the medium, in reality it was the etheric corpse speaking; Raymond Lodge had not really held communion with the circle at all.
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It is remarkable that such a learned man as Sir Oliver Lodge, who was for so many years interested in the subject, although in this case he was specially interested because it was a question of his own son, yet should not have known what has often been referred to in our Spiritual science, when giving descriptions of the atavistic forms of clairvoyance, which appear as presentiments. For this is none other than a very special case of Deuteroscopia. The case is as follows.
We have a medium. To this medium the Spiritual world is in a certain respect accessible; of course, as we know – through atavistic forces – such mediums can in their vision reach beyond space, but not only does their so-called second sight extend beyond space it also extends beyond time. Let us take a special case; one quoted hundreds of times. You may read descriptions of it, if you have not experienced it yourself through your acquaintances.
The case I mean, is when some one who has that tendency sees as in a dream, half in vision, his own coffin or funeral. He dies a fortnight afterwards. He saw in advance what was to occur fourteen days later. Or perhaps, one may see not his own funeral or coffin, but that of a complete stranger, an event to which the dreamer is quite indifferent. To instance a particular case, one may see oneself leaving the house and falling from horseback. This thing did occur – someone saw that happen, and tried to avert it, – but, notwithstanding all precautions, it still came to pass. That is a case of a vision extending in time, and what Sir Oliver Lodge describes is precisely this second-sight in time. His descriptions are given so accurately that it was possible to investigate the case. The medium through her forces was able to see an event still in the future. At the time she spoke, the photograph was not there; but it arrived a fortnight later, or thereabouts. It was then shown round to friends and relatives. This happened some time after but the medium saw it in advance, it was a prophetic vision, a case of Deuteroscopia. It was a pre-vision; that is the explanation. It had nothing to do with a communication between those on the physical plane and one in the Spiritual world.
You see how greatly one may be misled by striving to give a materialistic explanation of Spiritual circumstances in the world, and how blind one may be to the actual facts; such a vision is, of course, none the less a proof of the reality of a world behind the ordinary world of sense. The case is an interesting one; only it should not be quoted as proving a connection between the dead and the living. We must seek for the dead – if indeed we should or ought to seek for them at all – by following a really Spiritual path. In the near future I shall have many things to say on this subject; for it is my intention to give much consideration to the subject of the relation between the living and the dead."

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The remote viewing techniques as taught by the military industrial complex are Luciferian in nature - i.e. using very STS if not demonically "amped" up energies.

More importantly to the innocuous spiritual seeker who gets interested in studying with any of the remote viewers who have gone public, they ARE actively recruiting psychics and tracking them from mailing lists, forums, and so forth.  Also sometimes they directly trying to recruit people in private practice doing psychic work. And if the psychic refuses to get with the program, these guys have no problems killing them.

I was a psychic counselor in private practice for years when David Morehouse of the Stargate CIA remote viewing program tried to recruit me through a chief of police friend of his who was in a north New Jersey town. Morehouse wanted to meet with me during a trip to New york City, God knows why, I had never met him and although I did read his book I did NOT particularly like the vibe I got off his material or life story. No heart chakra in any of it.  All weirdness and shadow.

The chief of police guy friend of his started to get extremely aggressive with me on the phone and kept calling and calling in this insane way for about a 48 hour period after first catching me on the phone and making his pitch. His pitch was that Morehouse now had a company and did remote viewing for corporations. (Uh huh. Like IBM regularly hires remote viewers. Whatever smile  And they were supposedly interested in me after I contributed an article that got published in a New Jersey holistic magazine.  I had stupidly listed my business line and contact info with the article.

Anyway, interestingly enough, right before I received this weird series of recruitment calls from the police guy acting on behalf of Morehouse, I had a wonderful precognitive dream --- in those days my dreams tended to be extremely "on" as far as predicting stuff. In it two wolves were standing in front of me with fake smiles on their furry faces, and they were wearing these weird costumes made of what looked like sheep's wool.  And they were saying, "We're sheep, we're just sheep, that's right, we're sheep."

I woke up from the dream going "What was that?" And then I parsed it out.

Two wolves in sheep's clothing.  Hmm. Sounded like a very clear warning about somebody headed my way who was going to try to pass himself off as a nice fluffy sheep but who really had fangs!

Right after that the policeman got in touch with me and tried to cozy up to me with what was initially just "shop talk" but which quickly turned into exerting pressure --he got all scary-sounding on the phone and insisted that  I had to meet with Morehouse RIGHT NOW in the next 24 hours because he was only going to be in New York briefly.

I picked up on the weird vibe around those two and figured out they were the "wolves in sheep's clothing" my dream had alerted me about. So I started telling the police guy off and very firmly stood in my power about how creepy and nonspiritual the whole government remote viewing program had been and how I didn't want to have anything to do with them.

After that phone call, that night I felt myself being aggressively "scanned' while I was just quietly sitting at home watching TV.  It was like fingers of death running down my spine, very creepy and cold.  I knew it was Morehouse and his pal checking me out, trying to check me for vulnerabilities. I tried to psychically shield at that point and summoned up all the righteous anger I had in me.

The next time the police guy, whose name was Dennis, called, I let him have it. This was the next day. I yelled at him about the psychic violation, told him I was going to call his superiors and report him for harassment, and basically told him to $%&* off. He deserved it, too, because he was already leaving threatening messages saying I'd better meet with him and Morehouse "or else."

After that I didn't hear from him again.

But it wasn't long after that that a black clad man appeared suddenly in physical form in my bedroom in the middle of the night (I was a 28 year old single woman living alone in a third floor apartment in a quiet building.)  He had some kind of instrument in his hand and he beamed out a black stream of energy right into my heart from where he stood towards the end of the bed.  He was only there about two seconds and then he was gone.  I had other lights on in the apartment and that's why I could see him clearly.  Couldn't see his face, though, but he was dressed in all black clothing without symbols or any distinguishing markings.

When the black energy hit me it was like an electrical shock that went right into my heart, and my heart stopped, and I had a bad heart attack.  I quickly summoned up all the spiritual power I could access in that brief instance, and I can honestly thank the archangel Michael (real angel, not an ET, specializes in protecting spiritual warrior types) and Jesus (real being from a loving level of vibration that we humans can barely begin to comprehend, not an angel but pretty darned close) for saving my life.

I had no health insurance and didn't want to bankrupt my parents with a hospital bill, so I basically left it up to God whether I was going to stick around or not. 

The next two years I had debilitating chest pains so bad that I could barely work or do anything. This forced me to learn lots of underground healing and psychic self-defense/cellular repair techniques culled from a variety of underground teachers to heal myself.  Two years later I could finally get insurance and felt completely well but went in for heart scans and ultrasound and all that stuff and no scarring or damage was found to my heart at all. To this day, the old ticker is fine.

For the record I do NOT think that my pissing off that chief of police and his buddy Morehouse and the attempt to take me out using whatever weird technology that black clad guy used on me are unrelated.  The events happened pretty much in sequence. I pissed them off, the guy in black was sent in to silence me.

I would tread very, very carefully around the remote viewing stuff.

I would throw out the CD's which are probably already embedded with hypnotic sequencing geared to turn you into a MILAB victim.  And stay away from the grillflame forum.  Some visitors from there have been coming to my website and every time they do, this cords me in to the energy of that place, which feels EXACTLY THE SAME as the creepy vibes I used to get when I was talking with the real remote viewers guys.  Don't mess with it, please.

And if you want to develop psychic ability, you already know how. True psychic wisdom can only be gleaned by connecting with a subject through the heart. When you bypass the heart and use only the third eye or the ajna (right below the third eye, this is what remote viewers use,) you're not accessing things in a love based way. You're accessing information in a way that is felt as violation by the recipient. 

And speaking as a former love and rainbows, white lighter chick who was forced to learn hard core survival techniques through this life-changing negative series of events started by an attempted recruitment by remote viewers, I'd have to say, I'd love for you NOT to go through what I went through.

If you're new on the forum, I'm Jennifer Shepherd, aka the Lipstick Mystic, syndicated columnist and owner of the website http://www.lipstickmystic.com.  Check out my vibe to see if what I talk about resonates with you. I'm a real person, not a government plant or wacko smile  But I'm completely honest about the real stuff that I have seen and experienced, that's my way. I don't believe in pulling punches about dangerous stuff.

So please be careful. If you want to be a healer, all you have to do is tune into a "patient" through your heart and whatever you need to do will be revealed to you in its own beautiful, perfect way. That's not channeling from something outside yourself. That's accessing the innate wisdom contained in your own cells and in your own unique spirit spark.

LipstickMystic

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Druid, thanks for that very long, involved post. I just got up so it's a bit heavy for me now, but I think I got the jist of it...

Hi Lipstick!!

See, girl, THAT is exactly why I'm concerned about doing the course. I had read your story before and it freaked me out, like: I don't really want to go thru what she did!!! 

And as far as the Grillflame forum: I don't go there much anymore. Everyone just seemed so strange and disconnected. Although they all think that they are ONE. Just weird. But I do occasionally go there to see if anyone has pm'd me.  The other day I went and saw a post about yoga and such being bad for you, so I just had to read that one, because I had read your post here about Reiki people (I've had my own reiki incident, BTW).  So this post is giving links to your website and also a link to the post here about Reiki. I thought this person was really cool to point out the dangers of yoga and such.  But then there were several people who responded saying that yoga is fine and that they thought you were putting out disinformation. Well, I don't post there anymore, but I just had to that day!!  I gave them my two cents worth, and nobody has posted anything afterwards.  I hope that some of them will get the message.

And the whole thing with that forum name...grillflame...hello!!  That is a military operation!!  AAAAGGGGGHHHHH:o

Oh, and with the CD: I listened to it at night on my son's CD player--no headphones--but put it on the loop. I did that for like 2 nights. The second morning, it sounded really weird when I woke up, like it was skipping or something. Thankfully, I did not do what I was supposed to with using the headphones. So hopefully, no real harm was done.

While I'd like to heal other people, the point of me learning the RV was so that I could heal myself. I didn't feel comfortable with the RI part of it.  I don't want to influence anyone. I guess the thing that appealed to me was being able to connect to my higher self. I have had doubts that I would be able to do this on my own. I guess it's just a matter of practice in going inside myself quietly.

I'm not really worried about not using the tapes and losing out on the money. It's just money...I mean, I'm not rich or anything, but I'd rather throw them out if it's harmful to me rather than just listen to them for the sake of not wasting money.

Thanks, all, for your input. It is greatly appreciated.

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Hi Seeking,

Yes, I had looked at the grillflame forum briefly and saw that thread that mentioned some of my articles and also mentioned other fellow who has posted some pretty cool stuff about the potential dangers of Reiki -- I definitely sensed your good energy in there somewhere!  And there were some other cool people contributing on that forum, too.  So it wasn't all "icky." smile

But the energy beneath the forum carries this weird dark ripple of energy that I've come to associate with the dark government/yucky stuff, and I worry that people with perfectly innocent curiosity about learning basic scanning and basic clairvoyance are going to get recruited, set up, and otherwise "sought out" by whatever folks are behind this stuff.  Like, if you belong to that forum and if someone acts incredibly, suspiciously friendly to you and PMs you and poses as a fellow spiritual seeker, you should probably use caution!  Not that you wouldn't, anyway. You know what I mean!

One of the basic things I've worked on with people who want to open up psychically and spiritually is to suggest that they just do as much meditation as possible on connecting with the heart and connecting with love -- whether it be love for others, love for Great Spirit/the Big Cheese, or self-love.  Self-love can actually be a HUGE healing tool that clears out the cells and DNA and degunks the chakras. We have SO MANY layers of self-imposed guilt, self-judgment, and so forth that often cloud our abilities to tap into that Higher Power.  A lot of people have told me that by finding their own way into accessing this feeling based energy, they have gone "online" with the psychic stuff pretty easily and comfortably and quickly.

A lot of classes can be more mechanical in nature, using aggressive techniques to force open the third eye, and that's where I feel people get into trouble.  The whole idea of "weaponizing" psychic abilities is, in my opinion, way, way off!  But developing them to heal, to perceive more, and to connect with a power greater than yourself that can rejuvenate, sustain, and enlighten -- that's way cool!

You might find that shamanism is something that resonates with you -- learning to do a shamanic journey by doing simple drumming or rattling, sitting upright but in a relaxed state, can teach you how to access many types of wisdom from the inner planes. There are is AMAZING array of love-based beings available to help us with so many things.  And it's all about a journey back to love, to purity, to a state of clarity, that innate place that is deep within us that connects to the Divine.

So I wanted to throw that out there - that if you can find someone to teach you shamanic journeying or if you can find a program that will do that, that might be a potential path for you. 

The other night my honey was fighting off a cold and I got the sense that I needed to do a little healing on him.  I'm always "in the moment" with this stuff.  I invoked Spirit and opened my heart and did the laying on of hands things like I often do.  To my surprise, an "army" (really just a big group) of amazing Native American women were there with me instantly, conveying the most incredible feelings of love, grounding, and support. They were there to help him balance out his female energies. They told me (the way I "hear" is through a sort of clairsentience, a full-bodied knowing, not the typical audio "channeling" that many people do)....that because he'd been doing a lot of meditation lately on releasing negative emotions and what not, connecting with the more female and emotional aspects of his being, that this was stirring up some energy clouds and minor stuff that needed to be released, and normally the fastest way for the body to release something is through a cold or a fever.  But if you can get into the energy and release it before it manifests as a full-out cold, you can do the release without getting sick. 

So they brought through me this energy vibration of great female energy, it felt very "grandmother" or "crone" and wise, and I brought that energy into him. And his cold went away the next day.

Over the years I have learned to build "friendships" with a variety of love-based beings from different realms, and there is this amazing group of Native American "spirit runners" who do a lot of negotiation and healing for psychic people if they ask them for help.  They are attuned to the Earth so beautifully that they are really helpful for grounding, like if you're feeling spacey or whacked out from living in your head too much.  It's always a wise idea to make an offering to them out of respect and thanks for their help, so I like to offer tobacco or cornmeal at a special tree nearby that is a powerful vortex connecting to the ley lines here in New Jersey.

Anyway, for some reason I felt like sharing that small episode with you -- I have no idea how your own personal psychic gifts and talents will evolve as the process is unique for everyone, but shamanic techniques can be very useful and healing. 

And by the way, through shamanism, you also learn to clear out and identify really "STS" negative entities like predatorial discarnates who are stuck in a person's energy field and draining their energy, demonic entities who need to be cleared out, and various linkages to negative ET groups. There are definitely "good guys" and "not so good guys" in the etheric realms, so it's important to work with a teacher initially if you can find one you like.  Or just proceeding carefully and gently on your own, using discernment, taking notes, etc. I wish I were set up to teach this stuff full-time because I've found that shamanic work is a SUPER cure for a lot of serious bodily ailments and mental ailments, and I believe more people can benefit from it.  But if you have some questions, maybe we can set up a different thread about shamanic healing.

Anyway, that's my two cents for the day!  Best wishes to you on your path,

LipstickMystic

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Hmm..yeah I've thought about remote viewing or astral projecting, whatever you call it. I went to an introductory class for what they called "Dreaming and astral projecting", which they said started with you becoming lucid during a dream, then forcing yourself "out of the dream" until when you can see your body. I spoke with the people, around 6 of them, who were apart of this group for quite some time after, and they seemed to be pretty cool. But, when I was leaving, I had dual-ear ringings...like a highpitched, non-locational ringing noise as soon as I walked out of the door.
That freaked me out. Something about it seemed like they were recruiting those who showed to have some skill at lucid dreaming.
Also, I have another story. When I posted a lucid dream I had a couple of weeks ago on NR, within that day, I get a private message from someone on a forum. But guess what? I've NEVER signed up for this forum. If you're interested, it's www.dreamviews.com. So it seems I'm being lead to these different groups, yet all of them feel "weird", as if there's a negative purpose behind them.

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LipstickMystic wrote:

So I wanted to throw that out there - that if you can find someone to teach you shamanic journeying or if you can find a program that will do that, that might be a potential path for you.

I agree with LipstickMystic here. And if you can't find a teacher then I can really recommend this book which I'm currently in the middle of reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Singing-Soul-Back … mp;s=books

It's called "Singing the Soul Back Home" (cool title!!) and it's a really good practical guide to shamanic practices.

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Well, I don't know if it is too late to pick up this thread again, but coincidentally I was looking at the probablefutures website and wondering if the courses would be any good, and then also today I was at the Libary looking for the Fire Within by Castenada, which they didn't have, but they did have the Psychic Warrior book by Morehouse which someone mentioned on another thread on NR.So, I thought that I would start a remote viewing thread, but then I did a Search first and came up with this page/thread!
Druid, Lipstick et. al. you are right on, and,
one things about the probablefutures sight is that the guy says that there are no subliminal messages recorded underneath the content, and also he says that it is spiritual by virture of the fact that it is the same techniques yogis and the ancient mystery schools have used for centuries etc. etc.,
but while he act like his intent is higher purpose, the testimonials, of course, include people who have used it to win at gambling casinos and the stockmarket. I think that this is always a tip off to these sites, they start out saying that they are warriors against the dark side, and then they tell you how to use remote viewing to win at gambling and get the man/woman of your dreams, etc. A different site that starts out like that even tells you how to create astral sex slaves. Possibly remote viewing causes people to go insane at some point. Many "yogis" I've known have certainly been off the wall.
(Only yogi I think was an avatar of the Light, seems to be Yogananda, and he promoted Christ consciousness).

The thing that is attractive about the probablefutures website is that they supposedly give you brainwave entrainment tapes that get you into alpha, theta and delta waves quickly. Why is this attractive? Because the "other side" knows how to, through low frequency sound and etc., induce those states on the public and people, so I want to be able to keep up with what they can do to my mind by knowing how to go out and in to those states myself. That is my rationale for being interested in remote viewing. I'm pretty sure that I was put into an alpha-state trance during a series of cult channelling experiences, and I'm pretty sure they, or someone there was generating low frequency, rapid cycle sound (or something). Thing is anyone can go on the internet and get all the latest in New Age technology (radionics, sound and light generators, hypnotherapy CDs, psychotronic generators and forth). And anybody is. And the stuff works, but people are not using the psi technologies to heal and raise their vibrations, they are using a lot of it to get money, sex, and stauts.
Probablefutures also sells an even bigger "remote influencing" series, where you can learn to "remote influence" i.e. win out over the competition in job interviews, attract the mate or whatever of your choice, get people to give you things, etc., etc. So, I ask you, do we always have to be on the defensive with all of this stuff? As in praying and putting up shields to keep hostile remote viewers, psychic attack, psychic predation and so forth out of our field? What do people see as the proper way to proceed. I have also been a professional psychic and now I don't really even want to think of myself in that way. I'd like to use my psi powers for healing of some sort, but I am too weirded out by all the reiki, hypnotherapy, shamanistic, etc., "healers" many of whom are open relay stations for ehteric garbage. Not all, but a lot of New Agers don't believe in the dark side, which makes them perfect OPs.
Yours truly, lala

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