Topic: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

Holy mackeral. I'm posting this after some of the craziest synchronicity happening to me in the last few days. Just yesterday I read Stephen Hawking's book, The Universe in a Nutshell, which sums up current views and work in astrophysics. Then, after reading about black holes in the book, I had the urge to make a post here on the "As above, so below" phenomenon. And now, today I see this article about Hawking and black holes, where he takes a stance on this issue that is discussed in the book and that I was going to post about!

First, here is the article, from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … lack_holes

Yahoo News wrote:

Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

Fri Jul 16, 9:08 AM ET

By JANE WARDELL, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - After almost 30 years of arguing that a black hole swallows up everything that falls into it, astrophysicist Stephen Hawking backpedaled Thursday. In doing so, he lost one of the most famous bets in recent scientific history.
   
The world-famous author of a "Brief History of Time" said he and other scientists had gotten it wrong – the galactic traps may in fact allow information to escape.

"I've been thinking about this problem for the last 30 years, and I think I now have the answer to it," Hawking told the British Broadcasting Corp.'s "Newsnight" program.

"A black hole only appears to form but later opens up and releases information about what fell inside. So we can be sure of the past and predict the future."

The findings, which Hawking is due to present at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland, on July 21, could help solve the "black hole information paradox," which is a crucial puzzle of modern physics.

Exactly what happens in a black hole – a region in space where matter is compressed to such an extent that not even light can escape from its immense gravitational pull – has long puzzled scientists.

Black holes occur when a massive star burns up its nuclear fuel and gravity forces it to collapse in on itself, and the enormous weight of the star's outer layers implodes its core. The crushing force of gravity prohibits nearly all light from escaping and nothing inside can be glimpsed from the outside.

The star virtually disappears from the universe into a point of infinite density, a place where the laws of general relativity that govern space and time break down.

Hawking has devoted most of his life to studying these questions.

Initially, cosmologists believed the holes were like a cosmic vacuum cleaner, sucking up everything in their path.

Hawking revolutionized the study of the holes when he demonstrated in 1976 that, under the strange rules of quantum physics, once black holes form they start to "evaporate" away, radiating energy and losing mass in the process.

Under this theory, black holes are not totally "black" because the vacuum of the imploding star lets out very tiny amounts of matter and energy in the form of photons, neutrinos and other subparticles.

By conjuring up this so-called "Hawking radiation," the Cambridge mathematician, who is paralyzed by amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also created one of the biggest conundrums in physics.

These particles, he said, contained no information about what has been occurring inside the black hole, or how it formed. Under his theory, once the black hole evaporates, all the information within would be lost.

But now, according to his latest revision, Hawking argues that eventually some of the information about the black hole can be determined from what it emits.

The information has important philosophical and practical consequences.

"We can never be sure of the past or predict the future precisely," he said. "A lot of people wanted to believe that information escaped from black holes but they didn't know how it could get out."

Hawking did not elaborate on the BBC program how the information could be extracted from the black hole.

Curt Cutler, from the Albert Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, which is chairing the meeting in Dublin, told New Scientist magazine that Hawking asked at the last minute for permission to address the conference.

"He sent a note saying `I have solved the black hole information paradox and I want to talk about it,'" Cutler said.

If Hawking succeeds in making his case, he will lose a bet that he and theoretical physicist Kip Thorne of the California Institute of Technology made with John Preskill, also of Caltech.

The terms of the bet were that "information swallowed by a black hole is forever hidden and can never be revealed."

Preskill bet against that theory.

The forfeit is an encyclopedia, from which Preskill can recover information at will.

Now, when I was reading the book I came to this same conclusion that Hawking did, except using the "As above, so below" principle. Here is why: If a black hole is the ultimate destination of STS energy that refuses to switch to STO, the experience of that STS energy must still be integrated into the Creator. The Creator effectively remembers and keeps all previous experiences and information it receives from all of its parts, and when a new octave of creation begins -- that is, when the universe collapses and then expands again into a new creation -- the experience and information of the previous creation is integrated into the next. This process is explained in the Ra channelings.

The "As above, so below" principle can be used to confirm and even predict many findings in astrophyisics. As far as I know, the astrophysics community is still undecided on whether the universe will expand forever or if it will collapse back into a singularity. However, we already "know" that the latter is true, and the universe will continue this 'breathing' forever.

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Re: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

Talk about sychronicity. I was just (yesterday) reviewing those specific exerpts from RA and reflecting on the same principles.

[EDIT: Here's the RA exerpt specifically]

RA wrote:

THE BLACK HOLE AND THE GREAT CENTRAL SUN               

I.  GRAVITY

RA: THE METAPHYSICAL AND PHYSICAL ARE INSEPARABLE. (B2, 20)

RA:  Gravity, the attractive force, which we also describe as the pressing outward force towards the Creator, is greater spiritually upon the entity you call Venus due to the greater degree of their success at seeking the Creator. When all of creation, in its infinity has reached a spiritual gravitational mass of sufficient nature, the new creation infinitely coalesces the light seeking and finding its source and thusly ending the creation, and then beginning anew creation much as you consider the black hole with its condition of infinitely great mass at the zero point from which no light may be seen. (B2, 20)

II.   IN THE BLACK HOLE ALL CONTAINED WITHIN UNITES WITH THE CREATOR

QUESTION: Then the black hole is a point at which the environmental material has succeeded in uniting with the Creator.

Is this correct?

RA: The black hole which manifests in 3rd density is the physical complex manifestation of this spiritual or metaphysical state. That is correct. (B2, 20-21)

III.  IT BECOMES A GREAT CENTRAL SUN

QUESTION: The white light contains the experiences through all the densities. As we go into the 8th density we go into a black hole which becomes, on the other side, another logos or sun and starts another octave of experience. Can you comment on this? (B2, 78)

RA: The blackness of the black hole, metaphysically speaking. Is a concentration of white light being systematically absorbed once again into the One Creator.  Finally, this absorption into the One Creator continues until all the infinity of creations have attained sufficient spiritual mass in order that all form once again. The great central sun if you would so imagine it, of the intelligent infinity awaiting potentiation by free will- Thus the transition of the octave is a process which may be seen to enter into timelessness of unimaginable nature.

To attempt to measure it by your time measures would be useless. Therefore the concept of moving through the black hole of the ultimate spiritual gravity well and coming immediately into the next octave misses the subconcept of this process which is timelessness. (B2, 79)

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Re: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

I was just recently speaking in regards to this topic with another 3D-scholar.

In terms of a connection between the Law of One and these new discoveries in regards to black-holes, is this:

The new information pertains to light/information/energy coming OUT of the black-hole, whereas it was previously believed ALL is retracted towards. So if this is verified, what does this imply to my thoughts?

I can extrapolate that almost all of the major revelations that we learn from RA and C's can usually be explained with scientific-leeway. Like we can visualize/theorize the Universe in our minds with the "sketch" of the structure that we are given. For this example, particularly Stars (ie. our Sun) and Black-Holes being physical-representations of higher densities (time/space matter of space/time entities - Ie. 6th Density). Stars being the perpetual interloping of 6th Density STO, thereby producing the energy that gives life to galaxies. The "love" that occurs at these points permit life as we know it to exist. Now that's assuming a lot and ignoring a lot of scientific 'yadda-yadda' to fill in all of the blanks and holes, but it still has a lot of merit IMO.

So as seeker says, Black-Holes are the physical representation of STS intelligent-awareness that strides towards their path. However STS existence supposedly cannot progress to the higher densities, so it heads straight to oblivion, in which case it becomes recycled energy/awareness and restarts the octave (learning-curve). But the new Hawkings discoveries leads to perhaps proving that some energy/information/light comes OUT of the event-horizon, out away from the black-hole, therefore having the ability to neutralize the PULL factor.

RA says that 5th Density STS can either go ahead and recycle OR it can reverse polarities to STO and join the Star-matter, progressing to the end of the octave/existence/awareness. So doesn't this new Hawkings discovery perhaps pertain to giving us physical-data of such an occurence? I would believe it would be impossible to logically deduce and conclude that both things are interlinked. But if the faith is there from the esoteric explanations, then they can indeed be linked to satisfactory limits.

Just some thoughts that I find intrigueing.

Re: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

That information can come out of black holes is encouraging.
I guess that is why I get so many ideas...

Re: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

Does anyone know what Dr. Jack Sarfatti's input is regarding Hawking's latest new stance?

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

Re: As above, so below -- Hawking Changes His Mind on Black Holes

quite interesting, ive always thought of black holes as being universal "recycle bins"

hah, and ive been ridiculed for saying so on other forums...

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