The necessity of opposing forces (Page 1 of 5)

Lono,

I grapple with these questions, too, especially when confronted with the law of attraction/love and light crowd.

Love is still the best way to go, absolutely, without question. And working on ourselves to become more and more altruistic or STO/service to others-oriented is definitely the thing that seems to lead to all manner of ultimate goodness.

Unfortunately, it seems that the more STO you get, the more you attract STS forces, and you end up having to learn how to "battle" them. Which kind of sucks, reallly, as we'd all rather be wafting along on a vibration of pure loving bliss. 

And when I say "battle," I mean that there are real attempts at violation that occur - through abduction, psychic attack from humans overlaid by negative entities, unwanted "attention" from nefarious government forces, and the like.  Who on earth would "ask" for any of this? And yet as Druid says it seems to be part of the program here. We're not truly allowed to "grow' if we don't experience "suffering" -- or at least, get to know the polar opposite of STO energy.

But as I have been told by my  own guidance at various times, it seems like while we live in a reality where the shadow helps to define the light, and while we need to be in this reality to learn about the light in this way, there are other universes where this is not the case.  There are consciousnesses merged as one in true love without separation who are not choosing to visit universes where souls learn through separation from the light. I would imagine, then, that the physical laws of those universe must be different than the ones we find here.

So, I'm not sure either what the ultimate model of the various universes is, but I guess we're here for a reason! It is hard to get to grips with the concept of their being a non-polarized reality somewhere. Perhaps it is polarized, but just to a less intense degree -- STO being not quite so intensely STO, and STS forces not being quite so intensely negative.

There was a wonderful female physicist on Charlie Rose recently talking about a new physics for layman type book she has out - I forget her name. But she was talking about how to some extent, we simply can't map out other universes yet. Because imagine a two dimensional creature trying to understand the three dimensional world. It couldn't. It wouldn't have the necessary physical receptors (the type of eyes we have or the physical form we have) to be able to perceive this reality.

In a similar way, she said, we probably lack the basic instruments within our limited bodies and senses to truly perceive what other dimensions and universes might be like. The physical laws could be entirely different, but since we can't even sample those laws, we can't see these spaces.

I do think that developing the third eye and the crown chakra helps with this, because I certainly see into other dimensions all the time and have learned to distinguish between different forces, energies, etc. at play there.  But even there there seems to be the same STO vs. STS stuff playing out, so I can't say that that is another UNIVERSE -- seems like the same one to me!  Just a different dimension within this universe. That dimension seems sort of "same deal with different bells and whistles."

Makes you wonder what lies beyond THAT. 

LipstickMystic aka Jen

Here is the best explanation I have seen on the subject (by the "Sage of Concord"). Some short excerpts:

"The same dualism underlies the nature and condition of man. Every excess causes a defect; every defect an excess. Every sweet hath its sour; every evil its good. Every faculty which is a receiver of pleasure has an equal penalty put on its abuse. It is to answer for its moderation with its life. For every grain of wit there is a grain of folly. For every thing you have missed, you have gained something else; and for every thing you gain, you lose something..."

"The farmer imagines power and place are fine things. But the President has paid dear for his White House. It has commonly cost him all his peace, and the best of his manly attributes. To preserve for a short time so conspicuous an appearance before the world, he is content to eat dust before the real masters who stand erect behind the throne. Or, do men desire the more substantial and permanent grandeur of genius? Neither has this an immunity. He who by force of will or of thought is great, and overlooks thousands, has the charges of that eminence. With every influx of light comes new danger. Has he light? he must bear witness to the light, and always outrun that sympathy which gives him such keen satisfaction, by his fidelity to new revelations of the incessant soul. He must hate father and mother, wife and child. Has he all that the world loves and admires and covets? -- he must cast behind him their admiration, and afflict them by faithfulness to his truth, and become a byword and a hissing. "

"flatum iniquitas est"

division/motion is the beginning of manifestation and the beginning of injustice

any breeze, however subtle, disturbs the feather of MA'AT

TIME=KRONOS=SATURN the great limiter, buffers the effects of freewill, keeps the balance.

"you become what you hate"?

once again, "securing the realm" (STS) or "ending unpleasantness in our time" (STO)  are polarized creations to keep us in "cyclical motion" (read: running in circles)

I refrain from posting yet another trump. You know which one it was going to be anyway, and I'm sure I'll find another opportunity to show off my favorite ballerina.

Fascinating topic.

It appears to be a constantly changing equation, including action and intention, with the extremes (pure STS or STO) causing long-term damage and requiring someone living in our duality to be both empathic and brutal, rational and intuitive... to accept multiple types of polarities AND INTEGRATE THEM. Commonly called "The School of Hard Knocks". 

I just saw something on the Colbert Report, and it fit in perfectly with this.  Deepak Chopra was the guest, and I wasn't paying attention until I heard him say, "Without Divine Discontent, there would be no creativity."  He was speaking in relation to heaven, and if there were one it would be a terrible place to spend eternity.

I really have to think more on this, because I sense something true here.  But on the other hand, like Montalk said, we don't have to become negative or STS in order to justify its existence (paraphrasing how I understood it).

I believe our origins are reptlilian. We have a base STS level, the survival mode, sometimes predatory instinct, that we get when the chips are down. We also have a desire for community (knowing that we are all One), and we have the Divine spark, which strives for good. STO. Therefore it is a matter of striving for balance.

Even the dark side can be beautiful. If we were all good, then where we would we get the passion to act when there is injustice - there is usually a sense of anger (the dark side) . Take a policeman (OK, I know there are a lot of 'bad' cops, but I personally know plenty of 'good' cops) - they have a passion for justice, and are willing to do what the majority of us would not be prepared to do, in order to bring about justice.  You could say that they are using the dark side and transmuting it into good, in a very base way.

I know, in my past, I have had dark thoughts, and run with them, in my fantasies. I use to 'pride' myself that I was able to distinguish fantasy from reality, ,and that I never let fantasy spill into real life (eg I never actually harmed anyone). But that was before I became aware that our thoughts produce energy thought forms, which can then collectively become entities in their own right. Imagine some Organic Portal, he gets given these collective thought forms and then acts out the fantasy - hey presto, my dark thoughts have now been manifest into reality.

Therefore, I need to accept responsibility for creation, warts and all, because (even if only in a minute portion) I have contributed to the 'evil' in the world. And this has been going on since time begin. We have created the very monsters that we abhor and fight against.

I realise that other dimensions may not operate like this, but this dimension does run on polarities, and magnetic principles show that energy runs from negative to positive and vice versa, and I accept that I ground to the earth (negative) and the power runs through me to divine source (positive) and vice versa, and if I want to keep that life force going, I will need to transmute the negative to positive, otherwise it will spiral off into other directions and the flow will be weakened. Its no good kidding myself that I can only run off positive energy.

So, (in this dimension at least), opposing forces are a necessary part of life, the problem is that we nearly always disown the negative side and blame it on someone else. We are all collectively responsible for the mess we are in.

The negative reptilians are within us and our job is to transmute and effectively transform them from within, individually.