Cattle mutilations (Page 2 of 3)

Some other questions that come to mind: why not just grow cattle in their ships and bases, why return the mutilated carcasses at all if this leaves behind evidence of unusual activity? My best guess is that despite their technology, they have limited resources/energy/time/labor and therefore use the easiest and quickest means available, whatever is there for the taking. Like if I were to build a simple robot, I would rather cannibalize motors and electronic parts from an old VCR than build those from scratch. Especially if I were on a deadline and had to build as many robots as quickly as possible.

I was reading another Lisette Larkins book last night (Talking to Extraterrestrials) where she asked about gray physiology, particularly their skin, and the source  replied that the skin was more like a hide specialized to withstand cold temperatures and allow cross-dimensional travel. That last part rings true to me. Another source, the Cs, mentioned grays being "cybergenetic organisms" that function as 3D probes for the 4D reptilians. And considering that that grays have the most frequent and closest contact with abductees, it seems they are specially designed to operate within a 3D environment. Why would that be? Well, if they were partly constructed from raw materials gathered in 3D, that might make them relatively more suitable for  operating here.

There is also the possibility that human military factions, being less advanced technologically, might be the ones who are more involved in constructing artificial beings from animal parts, and that true aliens are indeed advanced enough to simply materialize or grow their workers from far simpler ingredients. There's been the idea that since the 1970s the military has worked to coverup the true nature of the alien presence after realizing they got scammed, and so I wouldn't put it beyond them to try and create fake grays to create fake alien abductions presenting grays as benevolent beings, saturating the popular conception of aliens to drown out any potential leaks.

ZenDen

Was referring to:

http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/TimeGateOrion.html

Noted here:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 648#p45648

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As far as I understand, most animal experiments/mutilations are the result of The Galactic Federation time travelling back in time to our present day... they are controlling our present from the future in a benevolent fashion, but they do need hard raw info sometimes, and this is the only way... at once giving them info, and simultaneously opening the public consciousness to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. This is one of the only cases when they interfere with free will (even that of animals), a case born of necessity. And FYI, only time travel into the past is possible, as the future is a matter of probability. There is only one Eternal Now, and the probabilities of future constantly shift in accordance with the present.

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Cattle is the word that refers to a herd of cows.  These individual cows were taken from larger herds.  So I'm not understanding the petty semantics here.

What is "rampant species-ism" ?  I just re-read through this thread and saw "post after post" of intelligent discussion that covered everything from who is behind cattle mutilations to why, and how, with some very important theories being presented that are not normally heard in mainstream conspiracy lore. 

Okay..........Your points here don't connect.   None of the points in your post connect to each other and what you're claiming to see happening in this thread is not the same thing I'm seeing.   Where's the lack of heart?   People in this thread are calmly and intelligently discussing something.    Does it mean this subject doesn't bother those who've been posting here, or that the people here don't have a heart?   No.  It's called being calm and trying to rationally discuss something.  Your post on the other hand uses exaggeratory language and is emotionally amped up.   That won't get anybody anywhere.

Wynderer.......you're mixing up:

1.  Meat eating/exploited animals for human consumption, and
2.  The idea of Reps eating humans and humans getting karmic "payback" for what we do to cows;

when the point of the thread is about:

3. Who and what is behind cattle mutilation, how it's being done and why it's happening.

What you're doing is nagging at the people in this thread for actually staying on topic instead of spinning off into left field with off topic issues concerning animal meat farm exploitation and Reps who eat humans.   There are threads here on NR about the subject of animals if you're interested.  I started one in fact, called "The Spiritual Evolution of Animals."  It covers the gambit from the Stuart Wilde article of the same name, channeling excerpts that discuss animals and their souls, to what happens on meat farms and going vegetarian.  There probably are even a few threads that get into the idea of Reps eating humans and whether this is supposed to be karmic "pay back" or not.   But it doesn't make sense to harp on people for actually staying on topic, and judging that they don't "have a heart" because they didn't derail the thread.

Key words being, "and if this is what you were all discussing....." 

And.....what would be the point of getting emotional...on a messageboard?   What would be the point of people posting their emotional breakdowns?   IMO, and this is just how I feel, but I myself don't want to read people having emotional breakdowns....on a messageboard.   To me, it shows somebody who's not in control of themselves and is a little crazy.   And before that gets twisted around, like it was here:

.......I'm not criticizing emotions.  I just don't get people having emotional breakdowns....on a messageboard. 

Also, why would what I write have anything to do with what Noble Realms is about as a whole?   There are what, 1100+ registered users here?   So just because I, one poster, happen to question your overly emotional and off topic post therefore means that being unemotional, like a gray (!!!!) is "a requirement here" ?   That doesn't even make any sense, wynderer. 

Nobody here said that cows suffering is not important. Just because people here were smart enough to stay on topic and not derail the thread doesn't mean we can infer that they don't have a heart and that cows suffering isn't important to them.

Intelligent thinking is heartless?

Um, if you say so.

As far as the jokes go, address the people making the jokes....don't make exaggeratory statements about "post after post," (as you did in the previous post) lumping every poster here into the same category.

??  So what exactly is it that you'd like to see here?   Would you have been happier with "post after post" of people literally, crying as they're typing, yelling in capital letters about the injustice of humans eating cows, about the suffering, the trauma, and going off topic crazy ballistic about side issues such as that?   

Bottom line is, you're harping on everybody for not going off topic and for having a different posting style than what you deem acceptable. 

And......what do the reptilians eating humans have anything to do with what's being discussed in this thread?  You keep mentioning this.  This is a thread about who and what is behind cattle mutilations, how it's happening and why. 

No, sorry wynderer....we DON'T karmically deserve the same.  NOT all humans eat meat, and most don't condone the torture of animals.  So to lump them in the same category as the ones who do is ridiculous.   But you know, Grays and Reps use that line of reasoning on their abductees to get humans to feel like pieces of shit.  "You deserve what's happening to you....look at what your species does to the animals and to the planet!"  Never mind that these abductees have nothing to do with these things, and don't behave that way.   Never mind that, you know.    There's a campaign going on right now as I type this wynderer to get humans to mistakenly hate themselves and their entire species because of what a few others are doing....a few that probably actually aren't even human.

Now, THAT'S a whole side topic in itself, and I won't derail the thread with that, but I will take a moment to call out your faulty reasoning.

Hi Tom,

I thought your post might be entitled, "Come, let us reason together." I have reflected on what both you and Lyra wrote, and it is true that I disrupted the flow of a thoughtful discussion. And was coming from emotions. I do not take criticism well (at age 59 I am still learning how to be a grownup), but, because I respect both you and Lyra, I thought and prayed about your accurate observations. There is a chapter in a John Mack book about some abductees whom he describes as carrying the pain of the destruction of the Earth for the rest of us. I found myself described and understood at last. Being an empath with an especially strong connection to the Animals is extremely painful right now. (On the plus side, as the veils are thinning and the energies of Light are growing stronger, I have had some unusual and most excellent interactions with animals of all kinds--furred, feathered, insects-- lately.)   

This does tie in with the "mutilations" as I understand it. I do not remember the source, but one person wrote that our Earth is being prepared for beings who do not breathe the air we breathe and do not need a living planet on which to exist. This may explain the building of the huge underground bases, in part, because they want to keep some of the species who now live on Earth alive, and can create the oxygen or whatever we Earth beings need below the surface. It may also tie in with the chemtrails--creating a more breathable atmosphere for them aboveground--who knows? And the population reduction? Maybe they want our planet for themselves only.

The mutilations are for gathering genetic material. The cutting out of the most sensitive parts of the body--male genitals in Brazil, for instance--human males--while their victim is immobilized but conscious--suggests to me that the reptilians are behind it, as cruelty produces food for them: suffering and terror.  Even tho this is a small-scale operation compared to the wars going on now, I guess food is food. The cloning going on by our own scientists--hush-hush and big money--Cornell got a HUGE federal grant for genetic research a year or two ago, I think from the military, for instance--is somehow tied into this. And I find it very odd that the Senate just sneaked a bill through:

      [11/13]  "In a shocking move, the "Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act" (AETA)
has been placed on the Congressional fast track and may be voted
on tonight. The Humane Society of the United States strongly
opposes violence, and has condemned groups and individuals who
engage in threats of violence, harassment, vandalism, and other
illegal acts. But the AETA goes too far, and threatens
legitimate tactics of law-abiding groups, such as BOYCOTTS, INVESTIGATIONS AND WHISTLE-BLOWING [caps mine]. Here is a fact sheet with
more information on this dangerous legislation:
http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/109_AETA_factsheet.pdf'

    [and 11/14] "Yesterday, we alerted you that the Animal Enterprise Terrorism
Act (AETA) was coming to the floor of the U.S. House of
Representatives during the "lame duck" session. We wanted to
pass on to you the unfortunate news that the House passed the
AETA by voice vote under suspension of the rules, a procedure
usually reserved for non-controversial legislation. When the
bill came up for consideration, only a handful of House members
were even back in town, and very few were on the floor of the
House when discussion ensued."

There is some reason they want to keep what is going on in the labs from public scrutiny. The Nazis, of course, were also obssessed with manipulation of genes. I do not understand what their end goal is with this, unless it is a case of science gone mad and wanting to control Life itself. NOT!

Hi pictus--This is from the crowdedskies site.

http://www.crowdedskies.com/human_mutilations.htm

The photos are quite gruesome and I did not include them. I think rense covered the story also.

"As with animal mutilations the human mutilations appear to be happening globally. The best evidence to date has come from Brazil with some convincing if gruesome photographs of a human mutilation, which have been obtained from, police files. Although authorities the world over appear to be united in their desire to keep the whole thing covered up, not all are as sophisticated as the Americans and British, and fortunately for the whole field of research into UFO-related deaths and mutilations, these Brazilian pictures have found their way into the public domain. The mutilated body of a man was found near the Guarapiranga Reservoir in Brazil on 29th. September 1988 and as a matter of course photographs were taken of the corpse. A police technician, Sergio Rubens, later gave copies of these photographs to his cousin, Dr Goes Rubins, who he thought would be interested, in the way the corpse had been mutilated. Appreciating at least partly the significance of the pictures, Dr Rubens showed them to a friend, who he knew was interested in ufology. She immediately recognized the similarity of the wounds to those she has seen in animal mutilations.

When the police were approached for more information, the head of the investigation, Dr Cuenca, surprisingly opened his files: an incredible stroke of luck not just for the original investigators, but for all of us battling to get this subject into the open. Among the papers in the file was the original autopsy report, written by forensic pathologists who had no previous knowledge of mutilations. There were many striking observations.

    1. Although the victim had been dead for forty-eight to seventy-two hours there was no sign of being eaten by animals or starting to rot, as would be expected.

    2. There was no smell.

    3. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal.

    4. The lips and flesh from the face had been cut away.

    5. The eyes, ears and tongue had been removed.

    6. Neat round holes, one to one and a half inches in diameter, had been made on the shoulders arms and head, stomach and anus and tissue and muscle had been extracted. The holes had not been made by bullets.

    7. The major organs within the chest cavity had been removed, a perfect small hole having been made through which extensive digestive organs had been extracted.

    8. The scrotum, but not the penis had been removed, and all pubic hair had disappeared.

    9. The rectum had been cored out. Despite the devastating mutilations, there was no sign that the victim had been bound or had struggled in any way

When the photographs were first circulated they caused a great stir among serious UFO researchers. It will of course take more than a set of horrific photographs from Brazil to make the authorities open up about the extent to which human bodies are being discovered in a mutilated state, but for those of us who already know a great deal of what is going on, the photographs are an important confirmation. If only there were other people prepared to leak information on this subject, I suspect we would be in for a shock."