1 (edited by lyra 2006-09-25 08:54:13)

Topic: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

This might not work for all negative irritating people, but it should work for at least some.  !  But we've all encountered negative, rude, irritating people in life.  Worse is when these are people we have to interact with on a regular basis, such as at work.  Over the years I've encountered too many rude, crazy people at all my various jobs to even keep track of, and with nearly all of them I failed miserably at dealing with them.  big_smile   But what's stood out for me are those couple of instances where I somehow, someway, don't ask me how, managed to take all that inner frustration and anger towards a rude person at my job and transmute it - turning it into feelings of the 180 opposite - really amped up sincere positivity.  It's a weird fluke thing when it happens, and I'll share the latest example that's pretty extreme, and amazing. 

At my current temp job, (Virginia) there's this woman N___ who works out of the Maryland office who has a high up position as some financial advisor, I don't know what exactly it is she does.  But anyway, she's........a piece of work, let's just put it that way.  She gets people so mad they either cry - yes, she's driven people to tears - or they have to put the phone on hold for an extended period of time and literally, get up and walk away from the phone to go cool off before resuming the call.   So yeah, she's just got a really rude, demanding personality, expects immediate instant gratification when she calls people needing something, put everything down and help her NOW, and if you don't, or you don't have the answer she needs, or god forbid you actually make a mistake....WATCH out!   The wrath is unleashed.  She also expects people to read minds - so even if she forgot to give you a bit of information that would be necessary to do a job or special request for her, it's your fault, not hers.  My coworker once got absolutely REAMED by this woman for not putting a meeting event on her calendar....something that this woman failed to tell my coworker about in the first place.  And my coworker had the hardcopy paper trail to prove that she was never told, so it's not her fault.   Didn't matter though...she still got reamed.  And there's no complaining to anybody about this woman, because for whatever reason, she's secure.  Complaints to the CEO and President fall on deaf ears.  They do not care, and will not fire her.  So needless to say, speculation has arisen as to how a secretary with zero financial background managed to rise to the ranks of finanical advisor, with a free ticket to say whatever she wants to anybody she wants within the company.  wink   As mentioned, she's been known to make people cry - well she once chewed out one of the female employees on a speaker phone conference call in front of EVERYBODY at multiple offices, causing the employee to cry right there at the conference table.   And there's no confronting her yourself to go at it head to head, because she acts like steamrolling attack dog.  I've never seen anything like it.  REALLY aggressive personality like you wouldn't believe.  She would chew up and spit out even a seasoned fighter.  So forget that avenue, it'll get you nowhere fast.

In my own experience with her, when I first started working here in May, I'd answer her phone calls and not even make it through the greeting and she would be aggressively cutting me off, talking right over me.   The first time I thought okay, well, she's just in a hurry.  Soon realized that nope, that's just her personality.  Every single time she called she'd aggressively steam roll right over me, to the point where I couldn't even finish saying the first five words...."Thank you for calling T......"  then BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! from her.   Then her whole manner of speaking to me was extremely rude and aggressive, really cold and demanding.   She'd ask me to do things that I have no idea how to do...stuff that's not my job.  So I'd have to gently remind her that I don't know how to do that, to which I'd get the aggravated response.  And so on.  I was left shaking my head, getting more and more aggravated and frustrated with every phone call from her, and my coworker, who was experiencing even worse hell from this woman was left saying "I think I hate her!  I seriously think I hate this woman!   I wish she would die in a plane crash or something and I've never said that about anybody!  I wish she would die!!!!!"   (plane crash because my coworker has to book all this woman's travel flights and has to do her calendar.)  And while I didn't get to the point where I was wishing death on the woman, I did however get to a point where I vocalized that ".....she's not human.  That woman does NOT act like a human!"   

And then one day.........I don't know what happened, but something snapped, or clicked you could say.  Something about her personality was just SO over the top, SO ridiculous, SUCH a caricature, that inside I began feeling like it was just funny.  I concluded, there's something wrong with this woman, it's not me, because every person she deals with thinks she's a rude beeeyotch and can't stand her, so it's her, and at this point, it's just funny.   I got the idea to no longer be annoyed when she calls, and just be unfazed and nice and calm and serene no matter what she says.........and I realized that I could do it!  I wouldn't be forcing myself to be nice, or suppressing my anger and hostility.........I just would naturally be that way.  Why?  Because it doesn't matter, ultimately.  She's crazy, it's not me, and so it's not worth one ounce of my energy anymore.   I could already see in my mind how it was going to play out, and how it would feel to be that way in the face of an extreme ludicrous personality.   And that's when I began to feel this sense of giddy mania surging up, which was the tranmutation.   Just happy giddy positive mania and serene bliss at the mere thought of dealing with her.   It's hard to explain!

So, the next few phone calls I'm serene and unfazed, calm and happy and sweet, lalala, and not even trying to suppress anything, just feeling that giddy positive glee inside. 

And something starts to change.

She begins to calm down.  She would still cut me off every time I answered the phone, but I no longer cared.  After she would cut me off, I'm like, "Hi N___"  all normal and nice.   And she in turn starts being nice back.  The voice softens.  The ice begins melting.   Then comes the first time she laughs and is actually normal and friendly on the phone with me.   !  And the thing to keep in mind is that my coworker who hates this woman also speaks very nice  to her on the phone, talks to her the way she talks to everybody else, but for some reason, it has absolutely NO effect on N____.  So when N____ starts being nice to me, my coworker explains it away as a fluke thing, the fact that she's actually on vacation, so of course she's going to be nice.  But when she comes back from vacation, watch out, it'll be back to her old tricks.

So, N____ comes back from vacation, and instead of reverting back to her old ways, she progressively gets friendlier, and friendlier and friendlier on the phone with me............(but not with my coworker!) and so much so that at this point, as I'm typing this, she is no longer recognizable as the woman I was first dealing with on the phone.  !!!  She has never been rude to me again, and eventually, she even stopped cutting me off!!!   That's not even an issue anymore.  I don't know WHAT the hell happened other than the fact that internallly, I changed the thoughts I was having about her and the entire situation, and then felt it transmute into this positive giddy mania, and lo and behold, she coincidentally changed as well. 

Recently I met N___ in person when she had to come to this office, and she stopped by my desk to say hi and shake my hand.   I was two days away from my last day at this assignment, which I told her about while she was here.  And then she called me two days later on what was supposed to be my last day - totally normal and friendy with me - and asked "Is this really your last day??" sounding bummed (!)   I explained that actually, I'd been extended for a few more weeks, and she was like, "Yay!" and got so excited that she accidently pushed one of the buttons on the phone so I got a "BEEP!" in my ear.   !

So yeah, I'd almost say it's bordering on freaky by this point.   Freaky in a good way, but still, pretty freaky.  I was marveling to my coworker that N___ positively loves me now, and is so nice, it's just not even the same person I once dealt with.   

So I'm thinking that if A) *I* of all people can do this, me with the hot fiery temper wink  and B) could do this with N___ of all people, the aggressive crazy steamroller attack dog, then ANYBODY can do this.  It's just a matter of gaining the proper perspective on a situation - realizing that the other party has the issue, so it's not your problem, and it's not worth one second of your energy -  which allows for the anger and frustration to dissipate away, and sets you up for the transmutation of that negative energy into something positive.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

Oh come on Lyra, you just have that "magic touch"!  big_smile

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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3 (edited by lyra 2006-09-25 10:47:17)

Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

treehugger wrote:

Oh come on Lyra, you just have that "magic touch"!  big_smile

Seriously, I think anybody can do this.  It's all about the right mindset.  Minds really are connected up, and no matter what the outward appearance/words are, it all boils down to the thoughts/feelings going on in the interior.  And that's what people subconsicously/telepathically pick up on.   

I remembered another instance where this happened, back when I was 18 I was a hostess at a restaurant part time in SoCal, and the woman manager there, Lynn, had "issues."  I'd heard horror stories about her when I first started working there, and found her to be very mood swingy and bitchy, just an unhappy woman in general.  Gave off this really weird vibe.  So those times that I had to work while she was the manager on duty, I just kept quiet.  Just did my job and kept busy and stayed out of her way.  So then one day when working one of the waitresses filled me in about how Lynn's husband left her......for a man.  They'd been married for 17 years and had two kids, and then he decided to come out and leave her for his boyfriend.  And to top it all off, she relayed a story about how one time the servers were all eating after the restaurant was closed, piled into one section in booths and at tables, and they invited Lynn to come sit with them, and she mumbled something about "...I'll sit in the corner where I belong."  !!  holy schmolies.  And the waitress who was telling me this said it with a smirk too, thinking it was a hoot.  I stood there listening to this story, watching this chick getting a kick out of it on top it, and I just thought the entire thing was f*cked up.  And I thought, how horrible is that, you know??   Having your husband leave you after 17 years and 2 kids would be bad enough...but for another MAN??  Talk about smashing one's self esteem!  And then thinking you deserve to "sit in the corner" ??  Oh my lord.   So after that I just totally felt sorry for Lynn, and had all this empathy for her, like I wanted to give her a hug or something. And I'm not even a huggy person!  But if anybody needed one, she did.  But, I kept quiet.  Next few times I was working with her I did my usual thing where I just stayed busy and kept quiet, but all the while I had depressing stories about Lynn running through my mind, with all this empathy for her, and I swear, she immediately started reacting to me and treating me differently.  Became friendly, warmed up, started talking to me, and even started calling me honey.   She became somebody completely different.  And the kicker is....when other waitresses or staff would come up to the lobby she'd revert back to her tense, standoffish, unfriendly bitchy way of being, but then be nice again around me.  Outwardly though I hadn't done anything different, it was just my thoughts that changed.

It's all about the internal thoughts.  Even when the outward appearance doesn't indicate anything, people pick up on thoughts.  !!   Everybody can do it.  I just wish I could harness this ability all the time.  It seems to only kick in with extreme people that I'm forced to deal with.  With random rude and crazy people I haven't been able to master it.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Thanks for those examples Lyra.  I'm starting a new job this week and can imagine that this transmutation idea will definately come in handy.

On a side note....I've had experiences at work where I've stood up to someone because they were treating me like crap, either because of my relatively shocking outward appearance or reputation as the "spiritual" guy in a highly atheistic work environment.  When I stopped taking shit from them they actually would treat me better, like I was one of the "guys".  It was almost some kind of macho bullshit test.  It's like you subtly let them know that you're gonna have any of it any they have no choice BUT to either try a new tactic or give up altogether and just accept you.  Crazy humans, I'm wondering if I'll ever figure them out!

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No, actually, I totally agree with you. Years ago, I was working at a video store. I was the oldest one there, I pretty much was old enough (37) to be everyone's mother. There was this one girl who for some reason just did not like me. I pretty much kept to myself and did my job, but no matter how mean this kid was too me, I would just smile and not let it rattle me. I figured first of all, who was the adult here, and second, well, she was being a little bitch.  It took a good 5 to 6 months of just being reeal nice to her, no matter how snotty she was to me, and finally she came up to me on break one day, and hugged me, and said,"thanks for being so nice". Who knows, maybe she had a shitty home life, whatever, but she finally came around. So yes, I believe that can work. Its not to say that Ive been that patient with other nasty people. Its so easy in this fast-paced world not to have much patience for people that treat others badly.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

I can relate, Lyra.  My work brings me in regular contact with some really challenging teeny tiny petty tyrants, as I categorize them.  For a long time I would give tit for tat in responding to them... that is, if they were pissy to me, I was pissy right back.  Then I learned about impeccability a la Don Juan and FRV from the Cs and began gradually changing my responses.  It took a lot of practice, but now I'm ususally able to hold my vibration no matter what they sling at me.  At the very least, I earn their grudging respect.... and sometimes I'm able to uncover a really warm individual underneath the defensive exterior.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost

Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

Lyra,

I can relate as well -- that inner change you had, your attitude towards N -- it TOTALLY had an effect on this person -- and i know it's possible to put ourselves in a place where it can be pleasant to interact with the peeps all around us, or at least, when dealing with agitative, obnoxious, rude-types, we can do so without getting drained or feeling bad - just deal and move on (your example was a pretty cool one though - you turned the situation right around) ... 

your story fully reminds me of something i read by J. Krishnamurti, which really jumped out at me, he said, "The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you."

people were talking about raising vibes i remember in another thread -- well if this isn't related to raising vibes, i don't know what is !!

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

oceanchild wrote:

people were talking about raising vibes i remember in another thread -- well if this isn't related to raising vibes, i don't know what is !!

Good point.  So many look to outside catalysts for vibration raising such as meditation techniques and new age technology.  While I'm not discounting the potential benefits of those options, sometimes it's just as simple as shifting your attitude to one of true positivity fueled by true love for self and other, and the benefits of doing so tend to be longer lasting and more permanent.

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I can relate to this topic, also.  It's an excellent 'technique' or 'skill' to learn to use in this crazy world today, not only for the work place, but even to get along with certain family members (or to at least survive the holidays with them!).  It's kind of a difficult thing to do with some people, and I've wondered why it works with some people and not with others.  Also, why is the internal feeling and perspective shift easier to accomplish with certain people than others, too?  I'm thinking that it's not very effective when dealing with a 'psychic vampire' or 'loosher'.  I had one work situation where that happened...I tried to approach the person (who was a bossy, control-freak, underhanded manipulator) with a completely 'good humor/positive attitude' vibe (after a year of keeping my mouth shut and obeying her in a mousey manner), and all it did was confuse her and she lashed out in anger.  I'm guessing she wasn't too happy that she wasn't able to 'feed' on my fear any longer.  By the end of the day, I had to sign a form saying that I'm "on Probation" for "consistently being 1 to 2 minutes late to work each day"  (not 5, 10, or 15 minutes... nope, 1 to 2 mintues... didn't matter that I lived an hour away and had crazy traffic to navigate).  Anyway, I guess the point of my story would be to also be aware of what type of person you use the technique on.  By far, though, I've had much more success than back-fires! smile

I like the two examples you gave, Lyra.  You used two different approaches for two similar situations.  The second woman (who's husband left her and her kids for another man) really must have appreciated your warm, empathetic feelings (even if it was a completely subconscious thing)... What totally pisses me off, though, is the attitude of that girl who told you about that woman's story!  I completely don't understand why so many people are like that!!  Well, actually, it's probably because nothing emotionally traumatic has ever happened to them, and they're completely ignorant sociopaths!  Grrr!  Anyway, it's totally true that sometimes doing an internal 180 is a great thing to learn how to do when dealing with difficult situations, and I'm so glad that this topic came up!  I think we'll all need to be doing more of it in the times ahead.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

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"The petty tyrant is like the irritating kid down the street that has lost their puppy and is affraid to go home for fear their dad will blame them for being small and stupid. Assist them by easing their pain and in so doing you will also find a precious new friend to play with your inner child"
~~carefulcarpenter

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titmouse_ wrote:

"The petty tyrant is like the irritating kid down the street that has lost their puppy and is affraid to go home for fear their dad will blame them for being small and stupid. Assist them by easing their pain and in so doing you will also find a precious new friend to play with your inner child"
~~carefulcarpenter

Well, I give you an "A" for effort, titmouse... That is one twisted 'example' of a petty tyrant... Is this another attempt to try and prove a point through abstract example?

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

12 (edited by lyra 2006-09-26 06:10:35)

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Poffo wrote:

On a side note....I've had experiences at work where I've stood up to someone because they were treating me like crap, either because of my relatively shocking outward appearance or reputation as the "spiritual" guy in a highly atheistic work environment.  When I stopped taking shit from them they actually would treat me better, like I was one of the "guys".  It was almost some kind of macho bullshit test.  It's like you subtly let them know that you're gonna have any of it any they have no choice BUT to either try a new tactic or give up altogether and just accept you.

Pinkrlyq wrote:

It's kind of a difficult thing to do with some people, and I've wondered why it works with some people and not with others.  Also, why is the internal feeling and perspective shift easier to accomplish with certain people than others, too?  I'm thinking that it's not very effective when dealing with a 'psychic vampire' or 'loosher'.

It definitely seems true that it wouldn't work for everybody, that was something I was thinking about yesterday afternoon after I made my post.  When dealing with anybody it's just a matter of feeling out what the situation is.   There are those very obvious psychic vampire, slick manipulator game playing head trip types and with them, I have NO tolerance for it.   I will just extricate myself from the situation.  Being hostile wouldn't work, that just encourages them and feeds into something.  And feeling amped up feelings of positiveness would probably just sink into their black hole oblivion.  Not everybody is "all there" to put it delicately, and so certain tactics wouldn't work, and with them, it's best to just get away.  Some people just need a verbal shove, for whatever reason, and I've experienced the bully types, like what Poffo described:

This one woman named Marsha that I uesd to work with back in Florida was the big gruff curmudgeony New Yorker who for whatever reason, did not like me when I first started working at that company.  I later learned it was because one time, back when I first started, she had come into my office to ask me something, and I continued to type while talking to her.  Yes, my big offense was that I can actually multi-task, wink and was so busy that I continued to work on my word processing document while also talking to her, instead of stopping and giving her my FULL and COMPLETE attention.   After that she was just SO rude and obnoxious to me, couldn't talk to me without verbally pushing me around in some way.  Became a real bully, and I'd go home at night, stewing over her, like, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.    To make matters worse, the whole thing became REALLY confusing only because I could intuitively "feel" that she was real, and that she wasn't a bad person at the core!   So, that inner/outerer contrast was only compounding the weirdness of the situation.   And finally one day it came to a head, and she was being extra rude and bully-ish to me, and I don't remember exactly what I said, but I snapped.   Bit her head off right back at her, like WHAT is your problem??   blah blah blah blah blah!    I don't remember what exactly I said, but I do remember the look of shock on her face - and there was emotion behind it.  And after that, she was nice to me, and I could see/feel that she felt bad about it all.

Soon after she noticed a pic on my computer of my kitty (who's all black) and we bonded over that because she used to have a beloved black cat too, who had died a few years back.  She was a dog person, but she said there is something about the breed of black cats that is different, and she just LOVED that cat.  She'd get watery eyed talking about her kitty and would be like "Okay, okay, I have to stop talking about it now, it's gonna make me cry...."  So, we bonded over black cats, trading stories about all the cool and cute things our respective black cats would do.   And she came in one day with a basket that had goodies for my cat.  Some toys, food treats, and this awesome porcelain bowl that had a black cat on it....which is my cat's water bowl to this day.  smile   So yeah, that situation did a total 180, but only after I stood up to the bully.  She wasn't really a bully though, she just had a gruff and crusty exterior, probably due to events in her life.  I do know that she was mugged once in a parking garage, fought back against the guy trying to nab her purse and wound up getting shot.....twice.   And obviously lived.   So, she was a tough woman with a crusty exterior, but nice at the core.

Conversely, at this same job I also worked with another bully woman named Calla.............but she was a whole other ball of wax.   While Marsha was real, and just falling victim to her inner predator, Calla was just a messed up head case.   She wasn't all there mentally, and probably soul wise as well, and it seemed like stuff was jumping in and out of her, and her behavior and personality were erratic and unstable.  She'd take her cell phone and go outside and hide in the bushes while talking, and was a space case who couldn't retain information, and just carried on like a weirdo in general.   She started working there after I started, but despite my "6 month seniority" wink  felt that because I was about 15 years younger than her, and looked so young on top of it, that I'd be an easy target to push around.  X!  Think again.  There were minor incidents here and there with her, which I had complained about to my supervisor Suzanne, but nothing was being done to remedy the situation.  But then, there was this one incident with Calla where it was like something jumped into her and antagonized me, and the results became the stuff of office gossip for weeks afterwards.   I don't remember offhand what she said to me, but it was the gleam in her eye when she said it and the smirk........THAT'S what threw me over the edge.  Calla didn't know that Suzanne had overheard her, and when Suzanne emerged from behind a cubicle with this look on her face like "WTF??" I turned to her and said, "Did you hear what she said???  Did you hear what she just said to me??!?"   Suzanne nodded, frowning, and I said, "THAT'S it....." and I took off down the hall after Calla, found her in her office, and was yet like, ROOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWRRRRRR!   Chewed her out.   Did it work though?  No, actually, not really.  She stopped only because Suzanne told her to stop, but she herself felt no change, and would periodically slip back up again, trying to push me around, saying things with a weird glint in her eye and smirk.   Nothing quite as bad as that one incident, but what I got was that IF she could have gotten away with treating me like dirt in full force, she totally would have, and nothing I could have said or done would have stopped her, and the only reason she wasn't carrying on in full form was because whatever was piloting her knew that she would get in trouble from my supervisors, maybe even fired.  That was the only motivation to not act in full form.  (And I say "piloting"  because of her erratic personality and crazy behavior and that weird glint she'd get in her eye, which I've seen before, with people who have other "stuff" piloting them.)

ANYway, two examples of a bully personality that resulted in a "verbal shove back" confrontation; one bully who was real and felt emotion and remourse for their bad behavior and changed as a result, and the other who was not, and had some kind of crazy who knows what going on that was unredeemable.   With Calla I could read her from day 1 and knew that it wouldn't change, so I just avoided her.   There was nothing that could be said or done to a person who's not in full control of themselves and the best thing is to just walk away.  In retrospect, I also should have/could have put up psychic blocks against her, to keep her at bay, but I didn't, because that's the only thing that's really going to work with somebody who's being piloted.



Pinkrlyq wrote:

I like the two examples you gave, Lyra.  You used two different approaches for two similar situations.  The second woman (who's husband left her and her kids for another man) really must have appreciated your warm, empathetic feelings (even if it was a completely subconscious thing)... What totally pisses me off, though, is the attitude of that girl who told you about that woman's story!  I completely don't understand why so many people are like that!!  Well, actually, it's probably because nothing emotionally traumatic has ever happened to them, and they're completely ignorant sociopaths!  Grrr!

Yeah, that's what really got me, just as much as the backstory about Lynn was the reaction of this waitress when telling the story....the fact that she was so cold about it all and found it amusing.  There is a world of people out there like that, and it's really disturbing.   



titmouse_ wrote:

"The petty tyrant is like the irritating kid down the street that has lost their puppy and is affraid to go home for fear their dad will blame them for being small and stupid. Assist them by easing their pain and in so doing you will also find a precious new friend to play with your inner child"
~~carefulcarpenter

I think we need to review what the definition of "petty tyrant" is, because your example is not it. !!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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13 (edited by LipstickMystic 2006-09-26 06:35:48)

Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

Too funny....I haven't been over here for a few days, been working like a mad dog (to make up for my massive procrastination recently!)  Then last night or this morning I was thinking, "I wonder how Lyra manages to deal with all the icky people she's surrounded by in the corporate world?  I'd love to learn how she does it!"  And then I find that great post here!

I just wanted to jump in on the discussion to say that you can do some of the same stuff you're talking about with animals.  They might even be more receptive in some ways, since if they're a pet, there's already an implied, loving relationship going on.

But we have a cat we've had to work with quite a lot.  Initially, as a stray, he came to our place riddled with the usual entities (animals pick up a lot of stuff, especially if people have been mean to them and dumped their crap on them.)  So we did a lot of cleansing and prayer work on his behavior to get him stabilized.

But being the fifth male in an eight cat household (we live on a farm, so the cats are all indoor/outdoor) wasn't easy. Teddy expressed a lot of aggression as he was trying to work out his place here, which is normal with males.  Still, there were times when it was like something came over him and he'd go from squzzy lovey warm friendly happy puss to MUST ATTACK THE KITTENS NOW!  MUST EAT THEM!  MUST BEAT THEM!

And he still does this from time to time, although it's gotten a lot better after two years.

We started working with telling him "You're a good puss," whenever he was about to act out or even after he acted out.  To retrain the response flow.  Giving him encouragement and love about his essential good puss-ness. 

Well, we found this has been a bit of a magic bullet. Tell him, "You're a good puss," while beaming out some love at him, and suddenly he wants nothing more than to have his belly rubbed. And he'll act like the most mellow lap cat you've ever seen.

Teddy is one tough cat, too, muscular, bulky, big.  So to watch this transformation once we started consciously making the effort to tell him he's a good puss has been cool. It's like his self-esteem wiring was all off, but by healing that circuit by reaffirming his goodness, he feels self-love again, and has less need to beat up on the other pusses because he's feeling about himself.

Might the same technique work on the humans?  Maybe. On some of them, probably.  Like, the ones that ARE human and simply damaged.

So, the mantra is, "You're a good puss (person) plus a little love beaming out of your heart at them.  See what happens.

Not easy to do, of course, in all situations, and not recommended for when you're truly being threatened.

Here's Teddy channeling his grumpy self. (Let me see if I can get this image formatted properly. I've never posted one before.)

http://www.lipstickmystic.com/images/%20teddy%20quizzical%20ten%20percent.jpg

Yay! I did it!  Woo-hoo!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

LipstickMystic wrote:

Too funny....I haven't been over here for a few days, been working like a mad dog (to make up for my massive procrastination recently!)  Then last night or this morning I was thinking, "I wonder how Lyra manages to deal with all the icky people she's surrounded by in the corporate world?  I'd love to learn how she does it!"  And then I find that great post here!

Wow...what a trip!  I wonder if you made me create this thread then! big_smile  Something working backwards in time, get me to start this thread yesterday morning.  It's weird because I was going to create this thread several weeks ago and for some reason just...didn't.  Until yesterday morning.  More Noble Realms synchs!



LipstickMystic wrote:

I just wanted to jump in on the discussion to say that you can do some of the same stuff you're talking about with animals.  They might even be more receptive in some ways, since if they're a pet, there's already an implied, loving relationship going on......

We started working with telling him "You're a good puss," whenever he was about to act out or even after he acted out.  To retrain the response flow.  Giving him encouragement and love about his essential good puss-ness. 

Well, we found this has been a bit of a magic bullet. Tell him, "You're a good puss," while beaming out some love at him, and suddenly he wants nothing more than to have his belly rubbed. And he'll act like the most mellow lap cat you've ever seen.

Teddy is one tough cat, too, muscular, bulky, big.  So to watch this transformation once we started consciously making the effort to tell him he's a good puss has been cool. It's like his self-esteem wiring was all off, but by healing that circuit by reaffirming his goodness, he feels self-love again, and has less need to beat up on the other pusses because he's feeling about himself.

Might the same technique work on the humans?  Maybe. On some of them, probably.  Like, the ones that ARE human and simply damaged.

So, the mantra is, "You're a good puss (person) plus a little love beaming out of your heart at them.  See what happens.

This definitely is the case with animals - they're very telepathic, cats especially.  But one time I was reading a book down by the brook where we live and this dog (brown and white, looked like a beagle mix) came running down the trail and over to the edge of the rocks where I was sitting and began growling low at me, like challenging me. "Who are you???  I'm the boss here!"   His owner (or "people companion" as politically correct animal activists like to call it nowadays wink  ) was up the trail, lagging behind.  So, I'm sitting there looking at this growling dog - I knew he wouldn't attack me, but I was still a little nervous.  Realized I could switch gears though and change the situation - mentally said "Hi!" to the dog.  Then said, "Look at you....you're so cute!"   Then I watched the dog change expressions, and go from growling and "posturing" to all of a sudden bounding across the rocks for me and literally, throwing himself at me, all excited, slurping at my face, trying to get in my lap and be pet!!  It was crazy, but cool. 

But yeah, there's not a day that goes by where I don't tell my kitty "You're so cute!  You're so sweet!  You're so pretty!"   Like, 50 times a day, I'm not even kidding!  big_smile   I'm always either telling her or thinking to her what a little sweetie cutie she is, and what a good cat she is.  Not even to try to consciously "rewire" her, it's just because I can't help it, that's what I think.  And she hears it, loud and clear, and is very loving and affectionate as a result.   She totally reads my mind though, there's so many stories I have, but, topic for another thread I guess.   But yeah, I do this with all animals that I come across, I just love critters and think they're all so cute.....to the point where I even now think bugs are cute.   So when one comes around I eminate something really strong that they pick up on.

All in all I totally agree that this tactic could definitely be the magic pill for dealing with troublesome people.  The ones who ARE human, but just damaged, like you said. 

btw, the picture is cute!  smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Transmuting negative feelings towards troublesome people

Quite synchronistically, I came across this last night.... and it reminds me that one's intent must not be to change somebody, for that would violate their free will.  Instead, I think allowing them to be as they choose to be creates a different space for them, and may result in a change.  Or it may not, but either way we have detached ourselves from them. 

This is from:
http://www.trufax.org/observer.html



The principle of allowance reflects the release of the need to control through allowance changes the perception profoundly. It allows transcendence from responsibility for others and recognizes the personal choice of releasing them to their own personal decisions. Rather than bringing forth feelings of separation, this blessing process brings forth an experience of a form of love that has blessed them in a way that will have profound effects on their life. In adversarial situations, a change may take several repetitions, but it will bring change.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost