61 (edited by lyra 2006-08-06 09:09:51)

Re: Stuart Wilde

Marcus wrote:

As to the costs of his courses / seminars and club etc.  Money is fairly relative; personally I wouldn't consider someone who pays out $3000 on a yearly membership fee as "rich".

Well, maybe you wouldn't, but I would.  !   The average blue collar/manual labor/retail/office admin person doesn't have $3,000 lying around to throw around on conferences and workshops.   And those who do are usually considered "well off."  At least, in America they are.   So if anybody here has that kind of money to throw around after the monthly rent/mortgage, house/yard upkeep, bills, food, clothes, toiletries, car payment(s), gas, insurance, and all the rest is paid, then congratulations, that puts you in the "well off" category.  wink   



Marcus wrote:

Charging for his teachings certainly isn’t something I would resent him for.  And although the subject of money in spiritual matters is debatable...I wouldn’t have a problem charging people for my time.

Hmm, well for me personally, I don't "resent" Stuart for charging for his time.  However, I do scratch my head over how high those costs are.   Seems quite pricey!



Marcus wrote:

On the subject of Stuart's abilities and knowledge, I still continue to believe he is legit.  And although most of his recent stuff has a very "out there" nature, I feel it's important to keep in mind the angle of his approach - his perspective.  (And I suspect it is his "perspective" that he teaches on his seminars and clubs.  Maybe an obvious thing to say.  But sometimes when I read Stuart’s stuff, I think "Hey, yeah that is true – [i]from a certain point of view[i]").

See, that's similar to what I was thinking too........Everybody has their own truth and reality view.   All these different spiritual people each have their own "thing" that they are able to see and do......and while the core thread that runs among all of them is very similar, the rest is completely different.  None of them match up to each other!

Example:   Ellie Crystal, over at www.crystalinks.com.   She has her thing with "Z," the dude who speaks to her and has been around in her life since she was a kid, I believe.  She has her whole schtick about reality being a grid program, and how Z is the creator, and how Z is about to pull the plug on the whole deal any day now, and we are currently at the end of the program.   Ellie comes across as VERY intelligent, and very sane.  She's a smart, psychic woman who lives in Brooklyn, NY, and she definitely has her viewpoints and perspective on this reality.  She's as certain about her Z/Reality Grid Program viewpoint as Stuie is about his "Morph World" "Tall Boys and Girls" and "Camelots," and yet, almost NONE of it matches up to each other!!!   The only common thread that they both have is that this reality is coming to a close...........very, very soon, and we're in the process of shifting over.   That's it.  All the details that fill in their respective views are completely different.

So, where does that leave us, the reader??   !   Very confused, that's what!!  big_smile   

But it does give one pause, doesn't it?

And those are just two comparison examples offhand.  There are so many people out there who have their "schtick" that they believe in, whether they got it through psychic intuition, a vision, visiting higher realms, channeling some entity, ingesting hallucinogenic plants, or who knows what.   Each view is usually so detailed, and yet they're all vastly different from each other and don't even remotely resemble each other.   So what's going on here then?

For me, Ellie's viewpoints and her way of seeing the world meshes a little better with me than Stuie's does.  I don't buy into the "Z" thing, it seems....sketchy, at best.  But in general, the rest of what she observes is a bit better than what Stuart is saying, to me.   I've never resonated with Stuart's whole Morph world, and all that it entails.   It's always felt wrong to me, and I've shied away from reading about it and avoid it.  I'm more interested in his other ideas.   I did once have an experience with what he later wrote as being the "etheric protector dogs."   And I did have something that could only be called "Judgment by the Tall Boys" as he also later described.  But me being, well, me, doesn't trust anything 100% or take anything at face value.  Something could have manipulated me to have those experiences, knowing that I would later cross Stuie's write ups that described it to a T.  So who knows.  Maybe it was real.  And maybe it wasn't.  Only time will tell.

And that's my two cents.  big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Stuart Wilde

In the short time that I have been a member of this forum, I have encountered - from the ordinary folk who post here - more common sense, enlightenment and insight than I have found in any self-styled, self-proclaimed Guru's book.

All of you can take a bow and, believe me, you can teach these Guru's a thing or two!

Well done guys. It's your common sense that makes our journey worthwhile.

Bruce

63 (edited by Lono 2006-08-06 12:13:00)

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Years ago, when Stuie first wrote the God's Gladiators book, he had a message board on his site.  Keep in mind that all I had read from him at that point were his early books, like The Trick to Money Is Having Some, Sixth Sense, Whispering Winds of Change, etc.  So when I downloaded the GG book, I was quite shocked at the change in his thinking.  He had done a complete 180 from his earlier work, going from light and love to the morphs and ghouls without explaining the steps in between, and I was understandably confused. 

I wrote about this confusion on his message board, asking if anyone else thought the new ideas were contradictory to the old ones and how to reconcile this.  My remarks were not in any way inflammatory, but Stuie himself shot back a scathing remark to me, saying I needed to "clean out my mouse hole," and that I was a liar who was lying to myself, and that I needed to be warm and kind if I was going to make it.  I replied with confusion, restating my position in a more complete way in case I had been misunderstood.  He told me to get off his message board and never come back! He kept repeating the same things rather incoherently no matter what I said, and soon afterward he shut down the message board entirely.

I was very confused about this, and felt he had gone off the deep end.  I didn't find out until much later that his change happened after his Ayahuasca experience, and I feel he may have misinterpreted his visions.  Another board member who had known Stuie personally contacted me and explained that all his workshops now involved drugs, and that she had been kicked out when she refuse to take them.  She also stated that he had had a nervous breakdown during a seminar in NYC, and this seemed to precipitate his new ideas.  He is also, she stated, an alcoholic and a womanizer who insists that women around him bow down and serve him, and that he surrounds himself with a cadre of mindless, beautiful women. 

Now, how much of this to believe, I've never been sure.   Nor am I sure that even his weaknesses mean his message is wrong.  But I doublecheck my feelings before taking anything he says to heart.

Not long ago I had a dream in which Stuie was with a couple of older women who were draped over a couch.  He had a "Y" incision on his chest and abdomen exactly like they do with an autopsy.  I had a strange feeling that something was wrong, but I have no idea what it means.

OK-- enough rambling!  Take what I wrote with a grain of salt, because much of it is hearsay, and as I said, it doesn't necessarily negate his message.

64 (edited by LipstickMystic 2006-08-06 15:54:18)

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Lono,

Interesting "gossip" about Stuart Wilde! It's so hard to get an authentic sense of the energy of various teachers who are in the public eye when you've never met them and have only heard either really "glowing" reports (often from the mindless followers!) or really "nasty" reports  (often from competitors or others bent on sabotage.)  That's why your own report of the encounters (i.e. virtual ones!) you had with him on his old message board are very interesting. Thanks for sharing them.

Like Lyra, I've noticed some things that seem a little "off" in some of his recent messages....I think for me that I felt he "lost the script" in a recent article where he was talking about how this Morph thing is only going to be open for a while, so you'd better hurry (not an exact quote.)  Because while it may be true that the earth is undergoing some sort of dimensional transformation/ascension/thingie (I mean really, what do you call this wiggling, indescribable, whateverness? ") .....I'm not much a fan of when a teacher talks about providing the only "escape" route and uses that as part of his marketing materials for workshops, retreats, etc.

I want to share something about the elves here.

The elves make contact with me about two or three times a year when the dimension that they inhabit and ours seem to come closest together.  Neither of us is fully physical in the other's dimension, but there is enough of a clear "phone line" that we can communicate really well via telepathy and heart/mind pictures.  I've learned a lot about their "world" and felt very humbled by my communications with them.  And they've probably taught me the most about this dimensional shift business.

The elves are not ET's, and they are very much like the gorgeous elves depicted in the Middle Earth/Tolkein stories and in the recent Lord of the Rings trilogy. An unbelievably gorgeous, dignified, solemn, artistic race of humanoids. They are very tall and thin, they are beautiful, and they live a long, long time while remaining very youthful in appearance.

They've told me that they chose, en masse, to leave the Earth - at least the version or the vibration we currently live in - a very long time ago.  They somehow were able to travel through a dimensional doorway and leave and recreate a new elven civilization in an Earth that in some ways is very much like this one, only without the warlike presence of humans and negative/warring ET groups. 

They've told me that it is possible to travel from our current vibration or our current world to theirs, and that humans have done so in the past and that there is even a small human community living in their reality now.  But once you go through from our world to theirs, you go through a huge shift in the energy that you are carrying within your cells, and the transition can be very difficult on your body, and it takes a while to adjust. You can do so, though, if given proper care on the other side by healers who can help you adjust.

The thing is......they tell me that if you do go through and visit their world, you can't come back to this one. The vibrational shift your body undergoes is far too severe and permanent.

They liken it to making the transition from being an undersea creature to a land-based creature. If you were to suddenly to go from breathing through gills to breathing oxygen, your gills recede or disappear as you get used to an oxygen-based world. So you can't go back to living underwater again.

So....I just wanted to share this, for what it's worth, because I have many misgivings about anybody leading anyone through a "morph," especially if it's a dimensional transition like anything the elves have taught me about.

The elves have kindly extended the offer to several healers I know that, if the $%&# really hits the fan on the Earth and this place is unliveable, they COULD go there and survive.  But they don't recommend making such a decision unless it is absolutely necessary, because it's such an irrevocable decision, and their culture and the vibration of their world is very different than ours.

So, again, I have to wonder why people would want to just willy-nilly start dematerializing and fooling around in another dimension if they still have things to accomplish here?  Is that such a good idea? Doesn't it tap into all the old escapist, if not outright suicidal, programs that much of the "New Age" has promoted? ("You need to activate your merkaba field so you can ascend;" "You need to get ready for the ET's to come and get you," yada yada.)

Why are all the messages about spiritual growth about LEAVING here?

That's what I don't get, and that's where I feel Stuart's message is "off."

I do like a great deal of his stuff, though, and I can say that a lot of his coverage of the ghouls and the negative critters coincides with a lot of what people in my circle talk about, although we sometimes frame things differently. We seem to be talking about much of the same stuff, the same psychic parasites, who are incredibly annoying, yes!

But -- never once, in all of my meditations, prayers, or chats with interesting beings, has anybody indoctrinated me about GIVING UP on this place. This is a wondrous reality to create, play, and love in.  The underlying message or "tone" is always about love, empowerment, and hope.

I guess I just want to say that it's maybe a red flag when a teacher, however brilliant and well-intentioned, starts pulling the "Let's all escape to ____(insert spaceship, dimension, planet name here.)

Because that's not bringing vitality, integrity, and healing to your present self, in this present place, in this place and time.

Just my two cents!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

65 (edited by dylanfarms 2007-11-08 22:13:13)

Re: Stuart Wilde

time has come today, can't put it off another day, i don't care what others say

Me ga aita shunkan no sono hito wa

Re: Stuart Wilde

Just thought I'd mention that as of midnight Sunday/Monday August 6/7 (Eastern US time), Stuart Wilde's site is back up.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Stuart Wilde

I remembered another offhand comment Stuart made recently that made me frown.  It was (slight paraphrase) that for those people who die of cancer it's because the universe didn't like their stuff.  And if the universe doesn't like your stuff, it'll find a way to take you out.

??

Okay.  First off....newsflash....but, we all die sooner or later.  wink  Nobody's immortal.  So, there goes that theory that when the universe doesn't like your stuff it decides to kill ya.  Second...we've all heard of really good people who died young from cancer and other unfortunate events, while the nasty old curmudgeons never seem to die and live to be 150.  Slight exaggeration, but yeah, we've all heard of this or known personal examples. So, there goes that theory again.  I don't know, when I read that comment about the universe killing people with cancer if it doesn't like your stuff it sounded very smug to me.  And I know it's not accurate.   All of which means I think that I'm probably going to be sticking with Stuie's older material when I need a dose of down-to-earth spiritual words of wisdom and skip over whatever he's putting out at this point.  wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Stuart Wilde

I don't know anything about Stuart except what you guys have written on the list, but the part about him being able to hop into another dimension sounded familiar.  After thinking about it for quite a while, I remembered similar senarios.  One is from the Theosophists. Somewhere in HPBs stuff, she speaks of Shamballa as being a dimension which is accessable from the third dimension although one must have a certain mind set in order to perceive it.  Another reference was by Alexandra David-Neel (I think it was in Magic and Mystery in Tibet, but could have been another one of her books).  Also, after reading 2150, I felt the book was really about a world here and now, not in the future.  Sure would love to know how Stuart does it, and I wonder why people continue on after learning how to transit.

69 (edited by visavis 2006-08-07 17:40:38)

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thebangkokcracker,

Could you tell us about your experience at the castle in France with Stuie?  I really like him, he's really helped me gain perspective on a number of things.  Though I have to admit he's gone through a bit of a change in his areas of focus (from his earlier books to now).  Would really be interested to hear firsthand experiences!

cheers

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

Re: Stuart Wilde

LipstickMystic wrote:

But -- never once, in all of my meditations, prayers, or chats with interesting beings, has anybody indoctrinated me about GIVING UP on this place. This is a wondrous reality to create, play, and love in.  The underlying message or "tone" is always about love, empowerment, and hope.

I guess I just want to say that it's maybe a red flag when a teacher, however brilliant and well-intentioned, starts pulling the "Let's all escape to ____(insert spaceship, dimension, planet name here.)

Because that's not bringing vitality, integrity, and healing to your present self, in this present place, in this place and time.

Just my two cents!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Well put!

71 (edited by feedbaxlow 2006-08-10 02:18:03)

Re: Stuart Wilde

I'm reading all this, enjoying it, soaking it in...
I haven't read any early or late "stuie", but i'd just add one small thing.
The price of admission to sanity and clarity has always been the same... it never gets cheaper or easier... or harder for that matter

Agreed, it's not about leaving here, but being here totally, finally.

The level where they all merge is right here.

If it was not here, right now, in the listening and body/mind sensing and the attention of a clear, simple, everyday mind than it would not be reachable at any time, ever.

If you really want freedom then look in stillness and silence...
as long as you can remain still and silent...then rest and get up and do it again tomorrow and the next day...it's that simple..
here it is!
All the answers are right at your fingertips
with the right questioning and sincere interest

The longer you look for the "new" way, somebody else's direction to that way, or put it off till your "ready" or feel like it, the longer you will remain unfulfilled.
It is neither easy nor hard, but the window of time left does seem to be shortening...

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I don't believe stuart wants thoasands of people who cant even materialise three odd thoasand dollars to then have to carry them all on his back through the door. Most of us, me included arn't entirely ready yet and it isn't that stuart has said that he is the only way to the morph.  Spirituality is and always will be free.  If however you want to be with stuart when you take that enourmous step into the unknown you will have to be at least two thirds there already.  I am just a man who is no greater or worse than any of you and yet I have pulled every thing I ever needed to me in my life by the pulse of my own heart and the will of my own soul.  I have no job and bills to pay and a family to feed but all my needs are met.  One day I through away the 40 hour week and decided to trust my feelings %100.  It was a bigger jump then I imagined.  And with no source of income I often had thoughts of tremendous doubt that heralded doom.  I refused to bend and tied my heart to my will and demanded that I would survive no matter what.  I have $450 in my wallet and I dont know where the next buckarooney will come from and yet I have found it continuously comming in from strange places (nothing of a criminal nature or sinister in any way) and this has kept me going for at least 6 months now since I mad my commitment to a more soft and simple way of life.  Sure I decided to do what I loved and to serve and then to charge and so I do zero-point therapy and teach martial arts as my new cash point.  However most of my income since i made the shift has come from other surprising allies who always showed up at the right time, sometimes just before I lost the house, but I 'm still here.  I too wanted to join the Redeemers club and although I managed to pull about $2800 Australian just as the payment was due I was disrupted by other matters which boged me down and I needed to spend the money else where so i missed out.  I wasn't able to raise the cash in time so I wasn't yet ready- simple as that.

My point is this.  Stuart has written for free for years now and he helps thoasands of people every year for free as well.  He wants to help a small number of people fine tune their skills and help them master their awarness so they can be prepared for the troubling times humanity faces in the next few years.  Not only for them selves but for all of us.  The test is hard because he doesn't want people who arn't yet ready and are able to get to the door already unaided but could do with his help for the terror of that final leg of the journey.  If you cant manifest $3000 then you arn't ready.  It doesn't take effort, it takes feeling and love and will power.  if you have none of these he cant help you yet until you help yourself first and get to this magical point of 33 the initiate.  i am not ready yet, but some are and money and abundance are not rewards of effort but for the iniate they are there when they are needed always.  And for those folk who believe stuart is taking them off this planet and should be more concerned with staying here ect.  You may have missed the perception here.  The world is changing fast and the ability to come and go between this prison and the freedom beyound the door may be necessary for your survival, for our survival.  He's not talking about taking off.  he's talking about returning home and realising that you can come back and serve and play and do normal stuff or you can stay there.  Its a power.  the power of freedom.  Be here sure, but remember it is a prison. The gates are guarded but the initiates know where the secret tunnel out is.  Do you want to come.  What? you dont have $3000 bucks, too bad, in that case start diggings its totaly free, but by the way heres the map and its free too.  So you take the map but realise when you get to the tunnel that its absolutely terrofying and you need a bit of help.  If you find the balls you will go, if not I know a guy called stuart who will for a fee take you through and make it more pleasant.  So you see, the way is free, but if you want extra balls because yours are to small at the moment, then pay stuarte.  He's truly one of the sacred beings on this planet, and he's under constand attack from the goul forces because of his sacredness, so forgive his strange defensive manouvers, you dont know how much he has sacrificed in order to get you a true map out... His latest Cd Beyound Enlightenment is that map and guess what? its not $3000.  He doesn't leave anyone out. You are all welcome if you can find the strength.

Re: Stuart Wilde

Sorry, not buying it.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

Re: Stuart Wilde

genero, I have learned a lot from Stuie, so I can understand your admiration for him for sure.

I'm curious, what's your take on Lono's experiences (above) and several of the others posted?

cheers

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Hi Visavis.  I dont have much time to post, so i will keep it short.  Stuart is no longer here in the physical like you and I.  he has gone through fusion and married his egoself with his shadow or mirror self.  So what ever he may or may not have done years ago, be sure of one thing.  He has redeemed himself.  Do you really believe stuart needs to use an aeroplane to travel anymore,nut, the intiates dream body is his aeroplane.  Stu is now more light then physical now. Many people will attack me for saying this but I have nothing to defend, not even the truth.