Topic: "Ask the Real Jesus"?

I would be interested in hearing your opinions on this website. In the past I've always considered it genuine and trustworthy - it talks about the power elite and dark forces in a way that links in with what I've read elsewhere (and has detailed methods for invoking spiritual protection against such dark forces, which I haven't tried using), and it strongly emphasises following one's inner truth and developing discernment rather than blindly accepting any doctrine. Overall, there's nothing on there that makes me go, "Hang on a minute, something's not quite right here...". Although it does focus on the Christian religion in many respects, it is hardly orthodox - as is evident from some of the fundamentalists' reactions to the site!

Despite getting "good vibes" from the site in general, some of its teachings directly contradict other material I've read, such as that of the Cassiopaeans, which I understand is highly respected on these forums. Also, I have developed a suspicion of those who claim to be messengers of "Ascended Masters". I'd like to know your verdicts on the site if you wouldn't mind having a look at it.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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The name of the website says it all. They say you need to *accept the living Christ*.  Then if you go down to the bottom of the page, its *pick a religion* and then we'll start your mind reprogramming according to your choice.   Looks and feel icky to me.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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Well, I will be honest with you, I read Treehuggers comments and thought I would have a quick look and most likely come to the same conclusion.

Then I started reading.. and the messages resonate with me. I wont make a full judgement because I need to read it all, but Ive bookmarked it and I will be having a good look at that site this weekend.

Re; 'Its *pick a religion* and then we'll start your mind reprogramming according to your choice.   
I assume thats the bottom of the home page, 'To make it easier for you to get started, please select the introductory page that best fits your background'

But to be honest with you, if you were an atheist, communist, buddhist, hindu, satanist, whatever, -What the hell would you be doing clicking on a web site that's blatantly called 'Discover the Real Jesus' ?.  Its not exactly a hidden agenda, is it?

I'll have a read and a meditate on it first.   Thanks for the link Daisy.

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just thought i'd toss this in - i somehow doubt that any "ascended master" would have a messenger ... he'd be the messenger him/herself while he was alive here and also the embodiment of whatever he was preaching / teaching ... my 2 cents

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

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Thanks for your comments. I can understand the point about the "mind reprogramming", and agree that the introduction pages in particular seem a little intense and perhaps off-putting. However, like Blue posted above, I found that the actual teachings really resonated with me. This "Jesus" sounds like I would have expected Jesus to sound. Not only that, but we are never pressured into believing or following anything that the site tells us. On one of the intro pages, it says:

"Always remember that the answers on this website are not absolute or infallible doctrines. They are meant to give you a foundation for expanding your mental box and getting personal answers directly from your higher self and your spiritual teachers. Do not take the teachings on this website as gospel. Accept only what is confirmed in your heart."

This concept of "thinking for oneself" is constantly reinforced throughout the site. So while I understand what you're saying, oceanchild, about an Ascended Master not needing a messenger - I might have come to the same conclusion myself, prior to reading this particular website - due to the seemingly genuine nature of the website, I am not sure I agree with you.

I encourage you to browse the teachings on the site before making a judgment.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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hmmm... charming.... Did you see the link to "Mother Mary's Garden"?  Both sites look benign enough, and I don't doubt that "the messenger" has immaculate intentions, but it's obviously channeled information.  So, while it all sounds perfect at first, there's no way of knowing who the actual source of this information is and just how they will skew their message(s) over time. 

One "red flag" for me is the label of "Jesus Christ".... that makes no sense to me.  He didn't, doesn't, and won't call himself by that title.  "Christ" is another term for "Messiah", and not used as a sort of last name in reference to Jesus.  Also, he never once called himself that while he was alive.  It was other people who called him "The Christ" (The Messiah)... He maintained that we are all God's children, and never said he was more special than any other person.  *steps off of her soap box* 

Anyway, that's just a pet peeve of mine.  But could Jesus have a website?... Why not.  But then again, those pesky little phrases keeps popping into my mind... "Beware of false prophets." and "Many will come in My Name saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive Many..."Matt. 24:5

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"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

7 (edited by Daisy 2006-07-28 10:04:06)

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Pinkrlyq -
I know you're right about channeling being generally untrustworthy... it's so frustrating. If you were to have contact with a higher being, how could you EVER know that they were genuine? I've read so many conflicting views lately on all manner of things that I just don't know what to believe any more.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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hi Daisy,

that quote you listed was good ...

i haven't browsed the site and i don't think i was making a judgement - what i was trying to say is this:  if someone said to me - hey look - have you ever considered such and such ... and we were talking together and i saw the sense in what was being conveyed - for example, let's say someone was talking to me about carrying images of people and how holding on to those images is ultimately destructive to relationship (that's a biggie to expand on and i won't here), but let's say someone said that to me and we went into together in detail, and i saw the truth of it - and i saw how beneficial and important of a fact it is - well i might want to share that with my fellow man ... i don't see anything wrong with that ...

whoever created the site and is conveying whatever on the site - maybe they're attempting to do the same thing ... i don't know ...  you have to be your own guide in the end, tho, (i know that's something obvious and doesn't need to be stated perhaps ...)

but to continue on the lines of what Pinkrlyq was saying, i'd have to take it even further and say - i don't "know" for a fact anything about Jesus or Christ, other than what i've read or heard from other people -- that is a FACT for me ...

so i'm saying all this in a calm and respective manner - as far as wanting to be messenger for a great message - i don't think there's anything wrong with that, of course it always makes good sense that the messenger not be contradictory to what he/she's conveying (i'm not pointing at at any site or person - just making a general statement)

and that's my rant for the day smile

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

9 (edited by Blue 2006-07-30 12:06:29)

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OK - I've had a good read (not thorough), and though there are many good concepts detailed in this site, there are an increasing number of concepts that do not resonate and are consistently contradictary to thier own teaching.

I started to list some of these, but when I got to the part about 'The Summit Lighthouse' and how people should look at the concepts on that site as nescessary for the soul to move into higher consciousness, I did a Google search. Instead of clicking on the obvious link to the actual site, I read this site first.

http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookrevie … 2lambs.htm

(Lambs to the Slaughter - a book review about the Summit Lighthouse cult)

I was really having my doubts before I read this page, but now the 'Real Jesus' site has been deleted from my 'Favourites'.

But I will give them this - it is a bloody good con, it almost had me going (well at least I decided to be open minded enough to read without judgement).

I did, however, find the section on Einsteins Theory of Relativity to be a really good way of understanding that Reality is an illusion (All matter comes from energy, and the way you view energy/matter depends absolutly on the conciousness (level) of the beholder. )

There could be many more  gems of enlightenment on the site, but I don't fancy getting 'hauled in', so I'm moving on..

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Daisy, I apologize.!

Don't let my comments put you off, Ive since found that the article above is just the gaurdian to keep away unwanted visitors.

This site doesn't just resonate , it is absolutely pulsing. I feel like I am on the verge of something that I have been waiting for all of my life and this site is taking me there.

http://www.askrealjesus.com/F_LEASTKNOW … nergy.html

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Wow, I'm glad the site has been so beneficial to you! Thanks for your input, all of you -

Daisy

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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Pinkrlyq wrote:

"Christ" is another term for "Messiah", and not used as a sort of last name in reference to Jesus.  Also, he never once called himself that while he was alive.  It was other people who called him "The Christ" (The Messiah)...

Not to split hairs, but a closer translation of the word 'Christ' as it was originally intended is 'Anointed'.  I think that makes a difference to the meaning.

As for this sort of subject, it's hard to say.  With my lifelong experience in the subject area of Jesus/Christianity, there are both roadblocks and massive potholes (most churches), and something of a beautiful substance underneath all the smeared mess of it all, imo.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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visavis wrote:

With my lifelong experience in the subject area of Jesus/Christianity, there are both roadblocks and massive potholes (most churches), and something of a beautiful substance underneath all the smeared mess of it all, imo.

Agreed.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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To know Christ, is to know all that can be known, from the past, the present and the future.

There is a certain legend linked to the Grail. While Lucifer was falling on earth from his planet Venus, Christ, his twin brother, embraced the whole cosmos, becoming one with the Logos, the Word that creates the World. Lucifer and Christ both sacrificed themselves, in a different way, though. Lucifer by staying behind and loosing his greatness in the Fall, and Christ sacrificed himself in uniting himself with the World in its primal beginnings.

Lucifer is the representative of the hierarchies that were commanded to cut themselves from the other hierarchies, in order to develop inner freedom. Thus lie and deception became possible, because some beings closed themselves from the sight and tutorship of other hierarchies. Luciferic beings are not evil, they only split themselves in order that freedom could become a reality, later, for us, humans.

Luciferic spirits became at war with the righteous hierarchies leaded by Michael, representative angel of Christ. Lucifer and its fallen allied hierarchies were stroke by the sword (S-Word) of Michael. Thus they fell lower, on earth. But Lucifer lost its most precious jewel (angel). Steiner calls it the Nathan angel. It descended on earth but did not follow Lucifer. Nathan angel became the angel of the Grail, preserving a small part of the ethers pure from any effects of the Fall (Lucifer's fall and later man's Fall). This body made of pure ethers, pure soul substance and pure physicality became the body in which Christ incarnated. Then a relic of the Ego of Christ (his 'blood' means his Ego) was kept secretly by guardians of the Grail. This relic stone of jaspis (jaspis exsillis) is the bearer of a part of the Ego of Christ. With it comes the power to redeem fallen ethers and evil in general, in Man (microcosm) and in the World (macrocosm).

Jesus is a complex multiple entity. Jesus is one of the gratest initiate ever and one of the oldest souls ever. He incarnated in Zarathoustra and later in Solomon. He is a boddhisattva, a very ancient soul that reincarnated and learned so much that he is on the verge to become a human angel. This Jesus died at the age of 12.

There is another Jesus, one that received the ego of Solomon. This other Jesus was called the Nathan Jesus. He is the incarnation of the angel of the grail I described above. He did never incarnate, never ever. Nathan Jesus was the half of Adam that stayed in the heavens and never incarnated while the other part underwent its first incarnation in Lemuria, in the Garden. So Nathan Jesus received the precious Ego of Zarathustra and thus he could teach to the jewish rabbis in the synagogue, revealing extraordinary knowledge. Before Nathan Jesus received the ego of Zarathoustra-Jesus, he was supported by Buddha (ex-boddhisattva himself).

One can check the lives of Buddha and Jesus-Christ in order to see clearly that they mach on several aspects. One may even think that the life of Jesus-Christ is simply a middle-east version of the life of Buddha. But still they are different: Gautama became Buddha and entered Nirvana, ultimate extinction or death of Self and died normally. Christ died, visited hell for three days and resurrected gloriously in a resurrection body. was it a body or was it only spirit? It was a spiritual body, the body of man perfectly spiritualized: this is the goal of all humanity, be it muslim, buddist, hindu, christian or scientist: spiritualize the body of man and the body of the earth. Christ is with us until the end of the world, in the earth. What we eat and drink is his body: because he united with the earth : first on the Golgotha his blood spiritualized the ether of the earth, then in the tomb, his body crumbling into dust fell in a crevass in the cavern during the solar eclipse and earthquakes.

Thus Jesus united with Christ in the baptism, but Christ was already within himself in potentiel: Jesus was the sum of the wisdom of Buddha, Zarathustra, and the pure grail angel.

There is also three Marys: Mary (Eve Nathan) mother of Jesus Nathan, Mary (Eve boddisattva) mother of Jesus-Zarathoustra and Mary-Magdalene. Both three Marys are Earth boddhisattvas, Earth angels, but still they are different and complementary, just like the different Jesus and John (the Baptist VS the Apostle, which is also the initiate - dead/resurrected - Lazarus). The three Marys are Hypostasis (personifications) of Isis-Sophia, the feminine Earth being (which Lucifer has slain and buried in outer space, in the Stars). They lived their own ‘Golgotha’ in uniting in Kaspar Hauser, a victimized child of the 1800's who grew up in a cage but learned fast later in his life with the help of "the last true rosicrucian' according to Steiner. Kaspar was killed on a second attempt of assassination. This feminine-souled male Kaspar Hauser would have been a great teacher, as great as Christ, but black lodges managed to keep him handicaped. Steiner had to take up Hauser's mission, which was inspired by the united spirit of the three Marys. They are aspects of Sophia, a lower aspect of the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit being the inspiration of the 12 boddhisattvas (including, Zarathoustra, Manes, Buddha, Scythianos, etc.). Sophia is the spiritual principle that is closer to man than Christ. Sophia is mythologically the mother of Michael and his sister Anthropo-Sophia (the inspiration of Steiner).

In Christianity, Christ is 'the masculine' and Humanity is 'His feminine lover, the Church' (not the temporal Church of outer religion but the 'spiritual Church', that is all humanity as long as it doesn't follow the Beast). In the Cantic of Cantics, it is the mystic's chant to God or, reversely, the song of Christ intended to his lover, the soul of Humanity as feminine. Sophia is lower than Christ, more accessible to us. This feminine icon should be a model for us, to repent and learn to follow Christ as our Brother(not Father), side by side with Him.

I believe Christ is more a masculine symbol, but in the ethers naturally, this feminity and masculinity is nothing like the sexual reproductive body male or female. Angels and above are all a-sexual.

It may sound like fanciful fantasy to elaborate on such mythologies, however I believe stories and Imagination are better tools to understand spiritual facts than conceptual thinking which deadens thinking. Imagination enlivens thinking.

Best,


Druid

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Bush as John the Revelator, music by Depeche Mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaB1psXTjS4&NR

I love it. I hope you will too!