Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

tenetnosce wrote:

Anybody else think it's a bit strange that if this is truly our one chance to "prove we are worthy" that all we are left to work with is a couple of cryptic messages buried in an Internet forum??  Oh, and of course, WHO exactly are we proving our worthiness to again?  I don't think that was ever addressed.

When they come and get the the "worthy" ones they will reveal themselves in the mothership.  yum-yum.

Regards,

Lee

P.S. I am certain the physical world as we know it is based on a code.  This code is probably linked to light radiation/expansion and light implosion (thru gravity)/contraction.  My beef with Eagle Red is that he teases but not produces.  It will be thousands of years (if we don't kill each other) before we even begin to comprehend the basics on how the physical world works.  I don't buy Ascension and I don't buy 2012.  If you read between the lines Red Eagle claims are a spinoff of those two.

212 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-06-29 12:34:39)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

tenetnosce wrote:

Anybody else think it's a bit strange that if this is truly our one chance to "prove we are worthy" that all we are left to work with is a couple of cryptic messages buried in an Internet forum??  Oh, and of course, WHO exactly are we proving our worthiness to again?  I don't think that was ever addressed.

Yea, I was thinking the same thing.

"Either go up or down"

Hmmmmm.  That leads to many questions, what does going up imply?  Is it only seen as up and down? No grey?  Or is this simply duality playing its part when there is in fact only ONE moment?

In my opinion, we don't have to prove ourselves to anyone.  And the idea of "not making it" doesn't seem correct either if we look at the situation from a non-time parameter.

I agree with whywhywhy, it would kinda suck if some people "ascend" while others are left behind, no?  I say, it's not worth anything if it isn't all of us.  As for 2012, well,  I have no idea, but the idea of the cyclic nature of life, maybe our incarnation on Earth (the universe) does have a cycle.  I've always seen it as time being inside a DNA double helix, and if looked at from a 2-D viewpoint, where both curves join - indicating an end to a cycle? and most importantly the beginning of a new one.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

I would think it should be obvious this person has become a channel for a conciousness of a much higher frequency. This conciousness has most likely endowed him with concious understanding of the methods by which Creation happens. The 'fading' pattern represents this illusory creation within which many have found themselves addicted to or lost inside of. The new code and more complex cell pattern represents the path we are all headed towards in this world.

He is talking about reclaiming your Divinity. And using that realization to spread the light of Love to those who remain ignorant if It's Glory.

The reason anyone would need to 'prove themselves' would be because not making a decision to step into the new world of Glorious-God-Being would be tantamount to deciding against it.

I am as is Void.

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Xenopope wrote:

I would think it should be obvious this person has become a channel for a conciousness of a much higher frequency. This conciousness has most likely endowed him with concious understanding of the methods by which Creation happens.

Hmm.  Well I guess it's not so obvious to me, especially in light of:

Eagle Red wrote:

We have entered what we might call a period of grace. Those of us who wish to follow through with the process of transformation have the freedom to do so during this time therefore we are wise not to squander it. However, having said that it would be foolhardy to act in haste. One steady step at a time will ensure our eventual arrival.

Eagle Red wrote:

It is up to each of you, together, to bring this new awareness to everybody so that all individuals are given the opportunity to advance. In the end it all comes down to choice. You must choose which way you wish to go - NOW. There is no fence you can sit on, don't fool yourselves that there is.

So which is it?  One steady step?  Or jumping in with both feet NOW?

Also this:

Eagle Red wrote:

Money and personal wealth have no relevence  in 4D reality. Mammon mocks us, it has us by the curlys and knows it. We have got to downgrade the importance of money in our daily lives and treat it with the contemp that it deserves. Many people will not accept this and they therefore will not be joining us. That is okay because 4D reality cannot be forced upon anyone. This is another issue, involving letting go of possibly those who are closest to us. There will eventually occur a splitting of ways, this is unavoidable. But that is a ways down the track so hold off on the negative preconceptions.

Eagle Red wrote:

Those of you with wealth use it to see that my words are translated into many languages and assist others to travel far and wide to reach people from every corner of the Globe. Your wealth is no good to you anymore except that you use it in this manner.

OK.  So do we shun money and treat it with contempt?  Or do we use it to promote these "higher truths"?

A lot of contradictory information coming from somebody who says:

Eagle Red wrote:

I am the only individual on this or any other planet, dimension, time-line who
             
                                  HAS TOLD YOU THE TRUTH

Maybe it's all just beyond the comprehension of my poor, helpless, trapped, limited 3D soul.

Hopefully somebody will come rescue me soon.  wink

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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Seven days prior to the full moon of May 13 a white rabbit appeared at my campsite. At first it was rather shy and uncertain as to whether it could trust me. Like most animals it had learnt to be weary of humans. Since then a deep, silent bond has developed and its trust in me is now absolute.

  I understand that you too will be hesitant to trust me, why should you? It is wise to be distrustful just as it is healthy to have a little paranoia, these are instinctive survival mechanisms. In time, however, you will come to trust me just as the rabbit has because you will come to see that my heart is pure and my intentions sincere.

  My awakening has been gradual. I have been asleep to this reality for a very long time so it has taken a good while for my eyes to open fully. I have not always seen cleary so much of what I have said in the past as Jazzpen and later as Eagle Red is contradictory yet, essentially, the truth was there. I had to write down what I was seeing at the time, right or wrong, it has all been part of the progession that I had to go through.

  My appearance has been anticipated by the ruling elite for a long time but certainly not with welcoming arms. The ruling elite have a huge head-start on me. In my absense they have chained you to a reality that you are going to find very difficult to break free from. On your own it would be impossible but with my help anything is possible. But first you have to help me to help you because only together can we succeed.

  There is a whole new World waiting for you. Like a magnificent mansion build by the finest craftsmen it  stands empty waiting, expectently, for your arrival. As beautiful as it is I don't fancy living in it on my own yet this is a very real possibility.

  If the ruling elite have their way you will all be taking a step backwards. They have worked very diligently to create that outcome. They know that I am here. They will stop at nothing to keep your attention away from me and they have a vast army of 'converts' to , in their ignorance, assist them. They will create wars, division, terror, tsunamis, tornados, earthcrakes all for the sole purpose to divert you away from me. So far, all they have done is given you a taste of what you can expect.

  In a way you could blame me for all the woes ahead. If I was to go back to sleep they would have no cause to bring down all these calamities. The thing is, these next 6 years of potential hell are nothing at all when compared to taking a backward evolutionary step because that is what is in store for you if I did leave. But of course I will not.

  Why does it have to be this way? These events have come about because the possessor of the code before it passed to me was corrupt and self-serving. It is a long story and I am not going to relate it but the truth is I myself am partially to blame for the code passing into evil hands. So long ago. I have paid a terrible price for a moment of weakness and, tragically, so has humankind, although some of you may not think so.

  The time for atonement has come. The code is now back in safe hands once again. It burdens me that so many of you will inevitably be lead into taking a backward step. If I could bring everyone forward with me I certainly would but I have to concede that many are already too far gone. Please don't become one of those.

  Help me to help others to help others. Think of a huge school of sardines and a pack of vicious, hungry, sharks circling around keeping them all tightly bunched together. We have to go in there and bring out as many as we can before the sharks go in for the kill. We know that most of the sardines will either distrust us or believe that the sharks are actually their protectors. Only the brave, the farsighted, the wise, will listen to us and our task is to find them from amongst the many.

  It is rather telling that the pope is urging all catholics to chant Gregorian Chants. He is aware now that the code that been lost and this is a desperate attempt to enegize the 639 pattern since Gregorian Chants vibrate within the harmonics of the 639 pattern. Of course this pathetic attemp is futile without the power of the living code. But they will try anything and you can be sure that he has all his monks chanting earnestly 24/7.

  Whenever the number 4 keeps popping into your vision,  particulaly if it comes in pairs, you should treat it as being a caution. Someone who is unfriendly towards you is either plotting against you or is watching you.

  Wisdom and love be with you.

216 (edited by titmouse_ 2006-06-29 18:57:28)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Welcome Shanjuran.

This code has been bequeathed to you through what means? Your mind?

I too, as many who seek the truth of being, will find such treasures deep within; near to the unus mundus. What code would I expect to lighten the way? Possibly in the miraculous? Or the passion of the heart? Or the awarenesses granted by wholeness, and enlightened spirit?

But you claim this code is passed through the intellect: the mind; your mind alone? A mathematical code or a psychic code? And you are the only chosen one, and they told you this? Therefore, all who reach the higher self will owe this to your possession of the code? So, you alone will control our destiny?

Then please--empassion me with words that inspire, or with a sampling of what your code will lead me to. Give me a reason to feel that you are the one. Please do this without fear; for those who promised before used this tool to suggest we could be free. Help me to give liberty to my soul; light my fire!

DaVince left me a code, also. My heart knows of it when I view the Mona Lisa. The Kosmos leaves me clues to this code almost weekly in profound and miraculous signs--in synchronicity and euphoric joy.  These signs others can find also, so why would I think that only you would know this code? Please, have the white rabbit bring me a sign; one that tells my spirit that I am part of the wholeness.  A rainbow would work for me--could you have them send me one so I can feel these special new vibes.

After you do this I will share a new complex emotion with you--one that those who were blessed with love can feel.  This was an emotion that Jesus Himself tried to teach, yet even His disciples were lacking in the proper code. They were all butchered in the attempts to know this.

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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I don't recall saying I am the 'chosen one' whatever you mean by that. I am who I am just as you are who you are. Would you be happier if I was more like you? I happen to have possession of the living code of creation and I don't have to tell you why I have it and you don't. You just have to get used to the fact. I don't/won't be in control of your destiny. The truth is, as I have been endeavouring to make clear to even the least intelligent, is that for the first time humankind will have control over their own destiny. You certainly don't right now and if you don't believe that then, fine, I pass on to those that know better.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Shanjuran wrote:

My appearance has been anticipated by the ruling elite for a long time but certainly not with welcoming arms. The ruling elite have a huge head-start on me. In my absense they have chained you to a reality that you are going to find very difficult to break free from. On your own it would be impossible but with my help anything is possible. But first you have to help me to help you because only together can we succeed.

They know that I am here. They will stop at nothing to keep your attention away from me and they have a vast army of 'converts' to , in their ignorance, assist them. They will create wars, division, terror, tsunamis, tornados, earthcrakes all for the sole purpose to divert you away from me. So far, all they have done is given you a taste of what you can expect.

because the possessor of the code before it passed to me was corrupt and self-serving.

The code is now back in safe hands once again.

    Wisdom and love be with you.

Please explain how it is that you possess the code, yet you were not the chosen one? Are you willing to say that others will also receive the code?

I see a vagueness to you indirectly saying that  your are the only one. Please clarify.

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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There are eleven dimensions, not merely four.  Each dimension occupies a line-of-surface on this planet's magnetosphere, somewhat like the layers of an onion.

We're much more inhabited than we know.

Chaiyah

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Xenopope wrote:

I would think it should be obvious this person has become a channel for a conciousness of a much higher frequency. This conciousness has most likely endowed him with concious understanding of the methods by which Creation happens. The 'fading' pattern represents this illusory creation within which many have found themselves addicted to or lost inside of. The new code and more complex cell pattern represents the path we are all headed towards in this world.

He is talking about reclaiming your Divinity. And using that realization to spread the light of Love to those who remain ignorant if It's Glory.

The reason anyone would need to 'prove themselves' would be because not making a decision to step into the new world of Glorious-God-Being would be tantamount to deciding against it.

Are you serious, Xenopope?  For real, are you being serious?  After everything you've read by this guy, and knowing that he was Jazzpen AND Jazzpenised, you seriously think this? 

Wow.

Not to pick a fight with you, although I guess that's what this is, but I have to mention that anytime there's a "clown" on NR, a troublemaker, somebody who winds up getting banned, you're the first person to post a response to them in an enthusiastic, happy way.   You seldom respond to the smart, sane people on the forum.   You only seem to gravitate to, and now defend, the crazies.  It's the weirdest thing.  I've been noticing it for a bit, so I guess I'll finally mention it.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

lyra wrote:

Are you serious, Xenopope?  For real, are you being serious?  After everything you've read by this guy, and knowing that he was Jazzpen AND Jazzpenised, you seriously think this?

Yes, ma'am without a doubt I am serious. I wouldn't joke about something like that.

I am as is Void.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Ya gotta give the guy credit...he's HONEST!

223 (edited by tenetnosce 2006-06-30 13:10:50)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

I'm not sure where, or to whom, my reply should be sent. . .but whatever.  I thought I put up a reply last night. . but strangely, it's no longer here.

So here's the deal.

As I mentioned in my first reply to Eagle Red in this thread, I do sense this shift that is occurring.  I also recognize that language is an awful medium for communication of this.    In that respect, I do respect Eagle Red or anybody else for willing to make an attempt at describing this thing. 

I've spouted off a lot of criticism about "You Create Your Own Reality" because it is clear to me that something is/has been getting in the way of true reality creation.  The theory is good, but putting it into practice seems to be more than a bit challenging.

For a long time my frustrations due to the seeming inability to affect reality to the degree I know is possible were explained by the standard new age party lines.  My intentions are not "clear" enough.  I need to further "purify" my consciousness.  Or my body.  I need to learn more "lessons".  It's for my own "good".

Finally last fall I went through a relationship breakup which stunk so high of manipulation that I could no longer ignore it.  My intentions were reasonably clear, I had "learned" my lessons from the past, but somehow that didn't seem to matter. 

And when things came crashing down there was no help from my "angels" and "guides".  There was barely any help from my friends and family because, though they certainly understood what was happening, they didn't really understand how it was happening.  That's precisely when I started posting on NR in hopes that somebody else out there might be able to relate to my experience.

Basically it came down to this.  Either something is seriously f***ed up about me, or
something is seriously f***ed up about the world.  I know my "guides" might get on my case for being so dualistic about it, but then again they seem to have a vested interest in me "transcending" dualism (with their help of course).

Old World religion would have us believe that there is some fundamental flaw in us that leads us to experience loss and sorrow.  We can't fix the problem ourselves; it can only come through the "grace" of God.  For millenia this grace is always just around the corner, but never quite seems to arrive.  Level one control.

New Age religion would have us believe that everything is just perfect.  All we need to do is unconditionally accept ourselves and the world.  Change your perception and change the world.  Well this is closer to the truth, but notice how the flaw is still there.  It's just more subtle.  No matter how accepting one becomes, more and more crap just keeps getting piled up to accept.  Of course now, rather than the Church, I am offered endless books, seminars, angels, and guides that are supposed to help me on the "Path".  I forge ahead like a good little lightworker, fearlessly accepting increasingly disheartening experiences cleverly disguised as "lessons".  Level two control.

"Next Age" religion finally admits that the real problem is in the external world.  Agents, attachments, TPTBs, reptoids, whatever you want to call them are bringing massive amounts of leverage to bear against us, causing us to slip up and make mistakes.  To miscreate reality. Loss and sorrow are being engineered through us in order to provide "food for the moon". 

Level three control comes in when we come across the "secret code".  The hidden solution to the problem that only we (or perhaps a small group of individuals ala "99th Generation Descendents of Jesus and Mary Magdalene") can see.  We are The One.  The first to break through the barrier and find the answer.

It's now our "mission" to get this information out to everybody else.  But quick!  TPTBs are on to us!  There's not much time left!  Write a book, put up a website, develop a new healing technique. . . get the word out there!

"The Word" is the problem, not the solution.  "The Word" is what keeps us looking outside for the answers, when they are not there.

While we are so busy running around trying to develop a new specialized language we fail to notice that other people are experiencing the SAME thing we are. . . and they are so busy scrambling to find the words to describe their experience that they fail to notice it as well.  Welcome to New Babylon.

So here's the point, Eagle Red (or whomever you are).

By all means, share your experiences.  But if you think that you are the only one who is having these experiences you are seriously deluded, and perhaps even dangerous.  Certainly to yourself if not to others.

You are not here to save humanity, you are here to join humanity.  Thinking that you are so special leads you down a path of increasing isolation until you are among TPTBs yourself, convinced that you must take action on behalf of others for their own benefit.

I think you know where that path leads, and I think that's not where you want to be.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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Very well said tenetnosce.  Thank you for your persistence with this explanation of what you're feeling and observing. 

You, we, are not alone - I can relate to very much of what you said.... from breakup/manipulation experience to wondering just what is wrong, and self-doubts.  (IE - is it ME?)

I think at times like that there is a fair amount of manipulative, external energy imposing itself within our consciousness.  'We' are certainly not the problem in that context.  I'm learning to raise my energy and rise above these vulnerabilities, little by little.

cheers
V

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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The upper eschelon are in disarray. Their brightest strategists spent years dreaming up possible senarios as to the nature of my arrival and plotting every kind of counter-measure that they would take to immediately discredit me before I could even take a first breath.

  Their problem is that I came in on an angle that they never remotely imagined and suddenly all their contingecy plans look stupid and dated. Right now they have teams of analysysts studying and writing reports on every word I print preparing and plotting for an assult on my credibility with total disregard of fact or actuality.

  What they would dearly like to do, and would do without hesitation if they thought they could get away with it, is drop a bomb on top of my tent. But they know that should even a hair on top of my head be harmed they will incur a wrath upon their own heads that will destroy them utterly.It is ironic justice that they are spending as much effort in protecting me physically as they are in plotting against me. Its a little joke that they don't seem to find funny.

  It is wrong to think that the ruling 'elite' are particularly clever. They are in fact particularly stupid, with their archaic ways and barbaric reactions to anything that stands in their way. They have numerous symbols and special 'dates' and riddiculous rites that they can't function without.And they expect intelligent people to take them seriously! They are pathetic and no end of humor if they weren't so cold-blooded and deadly vicious.

  Don't fear them, laugh at them, but don't spit at them because they are not worthy of even a goblet of your mucus. They slaughter innocent people without so much as a blink to suit their vile ends while they postulate themselves as worthy embassadors of humanity!

  They are not two-faced, they are twenty-faced. They don a different mask to suit the occasion but the one face they don't show you is their own. No matter how many masks they wear my eyes see straight through them and before much longer so will yours.

  It is not humans who are facing judgement day, it is them. Humans have a choice, they don't. This I promise you. They will be stepping backwards when the time comes. It is possible that a handfull will be spared such a fate, we shall just have to wait and see. Contrition is one thing, genuine desire to atone is another. Their future actions will decide the matter.

   The only humans who will be stepping backwards will be those who chose to do so of their own free will or through their inaction, same thing. I am here to break the chains that bind you to these creatures, it is up to you to walk away.

  Set my words upon wings to every corner, to every man, woman, child. Let them hear the sounds of the ray of light that is darkening the foul and enhancing the good.

  This is Day Three.