SHAFTA (Page 2 of 4)

Well, since I participated, and continue to participate in the topics of those threads (I distinctly recall making a comment on the hotness of Gemma Ward, for example), then I am "slamming" myself just as much as anybody else. 

As a point of logic, how is it that I'm simultaneously slamming "any and all people" as well as certain people in particular?  Seems like a contradiction to me.

I think the statistics on "replies" and "views" for various posts speak for themselves as to which are the most popular topics on NR, and of course it's obvious that the range of topics discussed here is very broad. I used the topics of hybrids and channeling because they are both topics that I very heavily participate in, and that I also happen to believe are closely connected to the topics of politics and economics.

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here, however it seems to me that you are making assumptions about my intentions and personal judgments which are incorrect.

I'm not lashing out at people for not bringing up the subject.  Where did you get that from?

I'm lashing out at the prevalent belief that people are powerless against TPTBs and that having global fascist agendas shoved down our throats is just something we have to accept as the way things are.

I'm expressing frustration that otherwise intelligent, powerful, and spiritual people can't seem to move beyond living paycheck to paycheck and don't see, or refuse to look at, the connection between their financial affairs and their spiritual affairs.

I'm not saying that you, or anybody else on this forum is one of those people, since I don't know anybody from this forum personally.

What, exactly, is it that you think I am presuming?

I happen to believe that the posters on this forum are at the forefront of investigation of that concept, when it applies, and how to apply it effectively.

Seriously, if I believed that the people here were all "lala land new agers", I wouldn't continue to post on NR.  I think we're having a major incongruence of perception here.  I'm not sure what else to say.  I feel like I'm defending myself against a counterattack against something which was perceived as a personal attack, when it wasn't.  If that makes any sense.

I dunno Lyra, I just went on a rant maybe cause I'm short on sleep and in a cranky mood.  It was an outburst of negative emotion.  Perhaps unwarranted and misplaced, but again, not directed towards anybody in particular, but toward things and people in general.  I apologize for any misperception, and have half a mind to go back and delete the post if it was really that offensive.

Um?  I don't believe I have ever advocated or insinuated that I believe violent opposition and militancy are the solution to anything.  Or were you speaking in a more metaphorical sense?

If anything I would like to motivate a call to awareness, and to promote the idea that we (humanity in general) are not as helpless as we have been led to believe.

I did present the issue, and I even started another thread for people in the E.U. to comment about how adding another level of government has affected their lives.  I thought perhaps it would be better to learn what other people might propose as solutions.  So far, nobody has taken advantage of the opportunity.

Which tells me that either people don't really find the topic important, they don't feel they have anything to contribute to it, or worse, are scared to even talk about it.

Or perhaps you are right, and people are just starting to avoid my posts because I come off as a pompous ass who does nothing more than launch attacks at people while thinly disguising them as open discussion.

Lyra, I've responded to several posts on this thread other than yours.  You popped in and started making accusations which I feel are unwarranted and based in misperception.

I do intend to continue responding to others who post in this thread, though for now I am going to wash my car, take a shower, and go to work.

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Patriotism :  Tribalism.  A reflection of the 2nd imprint (anal/territorial imprint) in psycology.  Top dog/bottom
                   dog.  Nationalism inspired by the alpha males and females at the top of the totem pole.  Usually
                   invoked by the top dogs to incite the masses in doing something that is really wrong or benefits
                   their pockets.  Sometimes used to justify injustices or cover up hideous acts like ignoring all the
                   warnings concerning a japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, perhaps blowing up the Maine in Havana,
                   Cuba, covert operations in Vietnam, lying about WMD in Iraq, etc...

Do not allow "patriotism" dictate what your ideas are concerning SHAFTA.  In my view it is the wrong reason for antagonizing this agreement.  Real reasons to be considered would be economics, jurisdiccion and legislative issues and so on. Patriotism means nothing.

Regards,

Lee

I found the other analysis I was looking for, it has disappeared from the site, but google still had it cached:

". . . in a grand move that will cement our future as a

third-world pseudo-republic, Bush and Company are

moving forward with their grand dream of globalism:

The NAFTA Super-Highway.

What will this multi-gazillion dollar 10-lane highway do

to America?

It’ll allow imports from all over the world to bypass

American ports by making landfall in Mexico. The

American section of the NAFTA Super-Highway will

stretch from our southern border at Laredo, TX all the

way to Canada along the I-35 and (new) I-69 corridors.

There will be only the most superficial security

measures in place, and low-wage Mexican truckers will

stream unimpeded across our border. Left out in the

cold will be American trucking and logistics companies,

especially union shops. In bypassing union ports and

truck lines, the Bush Administration will effectively

remove the clout of the Teamsters and Longshoremen

unions.

By wrecking the (labor) unions’ ability to exercise a bit

of control over U.S. shipping, the Bush Administration

will fling open the door to lower wages for all workers,

both union and non-union.

Now some of you may be thinking, "but how are they going to get the fuel and energy to make this thing work during energy descent?" Well I suppose one way they can cut costs on everything else (such as labor) they can offset the higher cost of fuel. Another possibility is that billions of dollars and quadrillion of BTUs will just be pissed away and this thing will never get completed. Well actually, "pissed away" may not be the best of terms as the money will actually be lining the pockets of mega-construction firms (like Halliburton?) to build the thing."

I definitely agree that the problem is the system itself, though I would suggest that any change of that system, for better or worse, would come through action simultaneously taken from within and without the system.

As far as replacing it with a utopian form of government, I think that it's the illusion of utopia, "heaven on earth" which is exactly the kind of false belief that brings faulty forms of government into existence.

I don't know what a better system would be, but I do know that not many people are really talking about it, and it's been that way for a while.  People seem to have lost sight that government evolves, just like religion or any other social institution.  And it doesn't always evolve for the better, either.

However, everything else aside I think we can safely say two things:

1.  There must be some form of governing society which actually works in all respects.

2.  No form of government that we currently know about seems to fit that description.

The big question is, does humanity have the wherewithal to come up with one on its own?  I really don't know the answer to that.  I've had some great experiences with people which would lead me to say yes, then again ignorance has become so fashionable I wonder if "critical mass" can conceivable be achieved anytime in the near future.  As you said, people would have to change quite drastically.

What concerns me even more is that our "space brothers" may reappear to welcome us into the "Galactic Federation" and that whole bit. . .

Bingo.

That depends on what you consider their "turf".  I agree with you that "The physical world-politics, military force, etc- is undeniably in "their" control" but I would add that politicians and world-leaders are the servants and not the masters.  The true Powers That Be are not operating from the physical level, hence as you say, we need to take them on the spiritual level.

But what does that really mean?  Is "loving awareness" really the solution? Or is it the result of a more fundamental solution?  It's really hard to have "loving awareness" in a world where it is exceedingly difficult to do what you love.

I would propose to start with simple awareness, and from there to acceptance.  Chances are that I'm not going to wake up tomorrow totally in love with myself and the world forevermore.  But what I can do is go to sleep tonight accepting myself and the experiences I've had today.

Undoubtedly, anger often leads to a worsening of the situation, but that depends on how it is used.  I've had some positive changes in my life come out of anger, and some negative ones as well.

I think those are some really good suggestions.   

You are correct.  You're not going to hear me defend the government's motives for any of those wars.

What I will say is that I think a distinction needs to be made between "The People" and "The Government".  Governments are invested with power by The People.  They don't have any power in and of themselves.

I think people, and especially Americans, sorely need to be reminded that they are not the government.  "The United States of America" is a federation of states, while "America" is a nation.of people.

The federal government has fought many bloody and horrific wars, and continues to do so.  But only a small portion of the people are physically fighting those wars.  Most people are doing the best they can to go about their business and stay out of the line of fire.

They don't see what is going on.  Even most people in the military don't know what exactly they are fighting for.  People may believe it's for "freedom" and "justice", and you are right, it's not.

Those people do still believe that "freedom" and "justice" are noble causes.  They just have allowed themselves to be lied to about the way to go about pursuing those causes.

So you know, some of our ancestors did fight for "freedom" and "justice" whether or not the fighting actually did much to advance those causes in fact.  And while, as a U.S. citizen, I hardly consider myself free, I do acknowledge that I live in a place and time where I have a lot more freedom than many others.

And people did give their lives for that.  Many of them essentially good, but grossly misled, people who knew nothing about the agendas of the Bank of England, the IRS, the U.S. Treasury, and the entities that control them.

So all they may have won was a few crumbs of freedom to pass on to the next generation, but the least that we can do is value what crumbs we have, rather than throw them away because we don't like the factory that produced it.

There are mechanisms in place within the structure of U.S. law which, if properly understood and used, would result in a much greater degree of freedom for the average American then they currently have.  The problem is that these mechanisms are highly obfuscated, and even the "experts" barely know how to use them correctly.

Nevertheless, they are available to any American who wants to use them.  Sadly, you can't say the same for your average Nigerian, for example. 

But the key to using them is money, and unfortunately as wildly popular as the subject is and the incredible amount of time spent pursuing it, most people never bother to find out what money is and how it is used.

Money is, of course, a medium of exchange among people, but it is the only medium of exchange between a person and the government.  Money is all that a government can really acknowledge, and hence a governments actions are representative of where the money is, and not the other way around.

If you don't have money the government does not recognize you, and hence you can have no ability to effect actions taken by the government for you, or to offset actions taken by the government against you. 

For most people, money is simply something that you get in exchange for working which you use to acquire goods and services.  This is a narrow definition of money that more closely resembles the term currency.

Money in the broadest sense is anything that is used as a physical representation of value.  Hence, the people with the most money are the ones who place the most value in the physical world.

Now some people value the physical world at the expense of the spiritual world, and there's examples of them all over the place.

There are also a lot of people who value the spiritual world at the expense of the physical.  While usually very lovely people, they tend not to have very much money.  Which is a shame because if they did the world would probably be a much nicer place to live.

Then there are those who use the exchange of money as a means of physically expressing their spiritual values. . . and those are the ones that TPTBs have a hard time getting a handle on.

So to bring it back to the point, the possibility of a new form of money (and a new form of government to go along with it) is a subject which I think is of prime importance to anybody regardless of what they find value in. 

Can you or I stop it from happening?  Likely not.  But we can take steps now to reduce, or even eliminate, our need to use it in the future.

"You’ve gotta fight...... For your right.......To party." - The Beastie Boys

In this case, "the fight" is the party. So by partying, you are fighting for your right to party. But you are not really fighting, since you are partying. Therefore you already do have the right to party. So by fighting for your right to party, you are winning the fight by fighting because you ARE partying, in which case you are not really fighting at all. All along you had the right to party, but were afraid it wouldn't be worth exercising said right without fighting for it. The most logical way to perform this fight is through resistance (i.e. partying), so you come to realize there was really no reason to fight in the first place.

Just party and forget the fighting.

limukala:

I don't see humanity in such a way.  Limited choice is what I see to be the biggest cause.  Only a relatively small amount of the population really desires to have power over others to the extent of destroying the planet to get it.  The rest only wish for a life free of misery and lack of choice.  Many humans are still looking for something to guide them.  And if the current cabal is out of the scene then it would be a very simple matter of reversing the psychosis we currently see.  Sure, it will take time.  But not as long as many might think.  The human spirit will rise very quickly when released from this slavery.  Like holding a basketball underwater.  The harder you push it down the higher it will jump above the surface when released.