Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

Promoting in others the total ignorance of negativity may also be a way for "People of the Lie" to cover their individual and collective asses. If anyone calls them out on it, they can blame others for being obsessed with seeing the negative, for not accepting karma, for being in denial and projecting their own shadows upon others, for believing in polarity and duality, for lacking loyalty or not being obedient to the Lord, for going on the attack despite all the great things they have been given, and so on.

Of course each of these things are real possibilities, and the psychopath counts on using real possible excuses under totally illegitimate contexts.

Yet the above phenomenon can also be used as ammunition by people who prefer denial, who then react irrationally by "calling out others" for using using psychopathic mind tricks when others are merely giving constructive criticism.

But then psychopaths can exploit even that phenomenon by saying those who call them out are merely in denial of their own problems and acting irrationally, when those people are the rational ones objecting to covert hostility. The personal attacks and vicious needling may be cloaked under the guise of constructive criticism and sincerity.

And on and on...

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

montalk wrote:

Promoting in others the total ignorance of negativity may also be a way for "People of the Lie" to cover their individual and collective asses. If anyone calls them out on it, they can blame others for being obsessed with seeing the negative, for not accepting karma, for being in denial and projecting their own shadows upon others, for believing in polarity and duality, for lacking loyalty or not being obedient to the Lord, for going on the attack despite all the great things they have been given, and so on.

Of course each of these things are real possibilities, and the psychopath counts on using real possible excuses under totally illegitimate contexts.

Yet the above phenomenon can also be used as ammunition by people who prefer denial, who then react irrationally by "calling out others" for using using psychopathic mind tricks when others are merely giving constructive criticism.

But then psychopaths can exploit even that phenomenon by saying those who call them out are merely in denial of their own problems and acting irrationally, when those people are the rational ones objecting to covert hostility. The personal attacks and vicious needling may be cloaked under the guise of constructive criticism and sincerity.

And on and on...

Good points here! smile

"Image" and "passion" are the keys. Who "controls" the emotion and the pretense?  The psychopath depends on the repressed emotions of guilt, denial, fear, and insecurity, to exploit and "control" their victims.  Questioning authority is a habit directed towards the root of the "pretense". The psychopath will not willingly place themselves in the position to be questioned directly; using a surrogate to face any situation that could reveal the covertly hidden "OP".  This may be a structure as well as an "other"; whatever gives cover and non-accountability. Malignant narcissists often have a partner --"co-narcissist" --who is expected to perform certain duties to protect the image of the psychopath. This is why I believe that doctors (people of status and importance) often attract "trophy wives"; the "Doctor" maintains the image of propiety and the wife receives "the image" of desired social stature.  Later, from my experience, when the wife discovers the root insecurity of the husband, she in turn exploits her "victim", and many others. I have seen this again and again. Who is the more manipulative psychopath?  Often the "co-"

I use the analogy offered in the classic "Peter Pan".  We can obviously hate the character of Captain Hook, but in the end we see the pitifulness of his life's predicament. The covert "evil" is Mr. Smee. His image captures us and we feel sympathy for his station in life--second fiddle to a tyrant. In reality Mr. Smee is a master at the game. He receives the "mana" from serving the needs of the Captain, who he knows is helplessly incompetant to manage his own affairs.  This correlates to the "trophy wife" syndrome that so commonly exists in the world of professionals and celebrities. 

Who sells the pretense? Who convinces the servants that the "boss" is a person to fear? Who gains the control, and with it the power, all hidden behind image; image of victim; image of superiority; image of coolness? Who has no mud on their hands? In this case the duty of the "co-dependent narcissist" is to act as the "bad cop"; but in many cases this endows the psychopath with authority and the control they seek.

In a democratic system we all become mudslingers in the name of justice, freedom, and the pursuit of ideals.  The real "evil" plays behind the scenes and avoids any chance to be questioned or discovered. Those fighting in the trenches all have mud on their hands... and if not the OPs make sure they do--one way or another.   Perfection is for those who avoid entering the arena where real truth subtly shows itself through excited, and passionate, expression of self.

"Passion" and "image". Who controls these attributes of human expression? Ignoring negativity is often an artifact in the process of avoiding the awareness of the personal and collective shadow.  Confronting those feelings of uncomfortability is part of self discovery and the journey to wholeness (unus mundus in Jungian terms). The ego is protecting itself by repressing uncomfortable content. When a person feels irritated it is usually felt in the subconscious; this is a reaction related to the ego, and therefore the hidden shadow material. Controlling one's emotions, as well as one's passion, is a conscious deception of the Divine self. This is the "evil" of psychopathy; controlling the spirit, and in most cases "killing the spirit".  Who but "evil" would kill human spirit? Many wounds are self-inflicted, so "loving your true self" is an act of healing. Only in the act of healing ourselves can we heal the world.

I refuse to lie for anyone, or to anyone. This can be construed as mudslinging, but for what purpose? I know I heal myself by refusing to lie unless extreme cases warrant it. Let's not fool ourselves into believing that total honesty is rewarded, or even healthy to the growth and revealing of our spirit; but the "pursuit of truth" is a healing path to freedom of the human spirit.



"It's the mudslingers who have the dirty hands"
~~carefulcarpenter

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To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
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Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

If ya gettin' your car jumped you don't just connect the positive terminal and ignore the negative.  Car won't go I tell ya.

Also, look at how much conversation is obtained by having negative influences around.  In a sense, this thread is a triple negative.  You have 'negativity'.  Then you have 'ignoring negativity'.  And we are 'against ignoring negativity'.  {just a way of looking at it, used as an example to agree with the premise}

Embrace the negative.  Embrace the positive.  Become the balance.

Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

If our self inflicted negativity is indeed our own creations - be it conscious or unconscious - then why deny our own creation?  Must we begin/learn to LOVE all of creation?  Even if our creations bring pain and unhappiness?

Are our repressed negativity mostly from our early childhood experiences - mainly creating something which may have been rejected by those around us, thus rejecting that part of ourselves?  Then all healing that can be done must come from the integration of our own shadow self, leading to the transmutation of light onto created darkness.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

Life requires balance, Yes!

Life requires introspection, Yes!

Life requires extroversion, Yes!

Illumination is contracsted against darkness,  Yes!



Romancing the Shadow

Life is a dance of opposites. This is the unifying principle of the universe. Likes attract and create water properties; accordingly, through differences and the intensity of contrasting energy, is created a fire dance of dynamic Quality. A cycle is perpetuated."
~~carefulcarpenter

The dance excites contrasting and complimentary energies: negative/positive; electromagnetic/gravity; potential/kinetic; dynamic/static; psychic/physical; creativity/stabllity; feminine/masculine; dark/light; visible/invisible; active/passive; infinitely large/infinitely small; inner self/outer persona; etc.

Viva la difference!! Meet your partner and dance up a storm!!

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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Re: New Age Lie - Ignore Negativity

Just ran across this Rudolf Steiner quote, and I couldn't help posting it here:
"...Nowadays, a person who knows nothing of spiritual science would laugh if he were told that the influences of the Luciferic spirits are embedded in his astral body. He does not, of course, know that these beings exert a far stronger influence upon him when he pays no heed to them...."

To put that in context, here is a little more (warning, long digression, feel free to skip)

"...The old clairvoyant consciousness would have been replaced by an object-consciousness, such, however, as would have also been alive to the spirit. As it was, the Luciferic spirits led man earlier to a hardened body; man beheld the physical world earlier than would otherwise have been possible for him. As a result he entered upon the third and last phase of the Atlantean period in a totally different condition than would have been the case had the divine spiritual powers help undisputed sway. Instead of a world aglow with the spirit of higher beings, he now saw only a physical world. The divine world had withdrawn from him. The Luciferic beings had interfered with his astral body. Man having now united himself with the sensible world, other beings – the Ahrimanic spirits of Zarathustra (also called Mephistophelian) now interfered with his external perception and with the relation of his Ego to the outer world. Man's physical, etheric, and astral bodies are not so constituted as they would have been had the higher Gods alone worked upon them. The beings known as Luciferic gained admittance into man's astral body and caused his premature fall from Paradise. The consequence of this Luciferic influence was the perversion of man's perception of the outer world by the Ahrimanic or Mephistophelian (Satanic) spirits. The latter now showed the outer world merely in its physical form, and not as it truly is. Hence the Hebrew name for these spirits who deluded man with a vain show: `Mephiz-Topel'; `Mephiz' the vitiator and `Topel' the liar. That is the derivation of the name Mephistopheles. He is the same spirit as Ahriman. Now what was the effect of Ahriman's influence as distinguished from Lucifer's?

Lucifer caused the undue deterioration of the forces of the astral body, and the premature densification of man's physical substance. To be sure, man attained thereby the freedom which would otherwise have been denied him. The Mephistophelian spirits case a veil over the spiritual foundation of the world and mocked man with a world that is an illusion. Mephistopheles infused into man the belief that the world is merely a material existence, and that there is nothing spiritual in and behind all matter. The scene which Goethe depicts so wonderfully in his Faust is continually being enacted in humanity as a whole. We see Faust, on the one hand, seeking the way to the spiritual world; on the other hand, Mephistopheles who describes the spiritual world as `nothing', because it is in his interest to represent the world of sense as everything. Faust retorts in words which every spiritual investigator would have used in a similar case: `In thy Nothing I hope to find my All!'

Only when we are aware that in every particle of matter there is spirit, and that the idea of matter is a lie; only when we recognize in Mephistopheles the spirit who vitiates thought in the world, then only can we conceive the outer world in its true form. Now what was necessary for humanity, to help it onward and prevent it being overwhelmed by the fate prepared for it by Lucifer and Ahriman?.."

seeker of truth

follow no path
all paths lead where

truth is here

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