organic portals and elitism (Page 1 of 2)

Initially, it goes against my nature to think that any living thing on this planet wouldn't have a soul.  But then again, I suppose it all comes down again to a definition of just what a person believes a soul to be.  It used to be a simple matter to me, and now I read of various divisions for various parts of the same entity that I believed to be just "the soul".  I believe that through biological and/or energy manipulation that certain individuals may appear to be lacking a soul, but I think that's like saying, "I believe my uncle's a neanderthal because he's got a hairy back and a brow ridge."

I agree with you... and then again, maybe that's exactly what TPTB want!

I agree focusing too much on OP theory would lead into deeper duality.

But let's not forget three pig story as Montalk refers in other threads. Elitism is a trap but giving away your power to some energy sucking "vampires" (whether they're OP, fully sleeping human being, locked in lower chakras, STS or whatever you say) is another trap.

In Islamic tradition it is believed that you have to pass from a bridge which is called "Sir'at" to reach heaven. This Sir'at is told to be narrower than a hair bristle and sharper than sword. Buddhists call this middle-way. Balance. Integrity.

I try to walk on this.

I actually wasn't trying to accuse anybody of this sort of behavior, and I definitely agree there is a difference between observation and judgement.  I did say "(not only am I more spiritually advanced than you, you will NEVER reach my level because you aren't even really human)", because that is definitely the feeling I got when reading through the OP info I found (I remember something about how they actually have less opportunity for spiritual growth than household pets, which I am dubious of).  I didn't mean that anyone actually said that, but it does seem to be implied (even if it only seems that way to me).  At the very least it is a slippery slope with a lot of potential for elitism (you gotta give me that much at least).
Let me clarify a few things, first of all the theory definitely seemed to fit well with my experience of reality, and I'm not trying to argue whether it is true or not.  I don't personally know anyone here, and I am definitely not trying to attack anyones character.  I just found this site (via timeline dynamics article, brilliant), and I think it is awesome, I just wanted to clarify. 

OP's don't have auras?  Wow, I thought even animals did, but obviously I can't see them.  If I could see auras it would be a different matter, but since I can't, I don't think I will be putting this theory to practical use much.

My main point is (now that I think about it) if you are centered and grounded, the OPs can't really get any juice from you anyway right?  That means that for those of us who can't be sure of the difference between a sleeper and an OP, we might be denying a sleeping person a chance to awaken if we assume them to be an OP (through Shaktipat, etc).  So in other words, if we're centered and grounded, we have nothing to fear, and if we're not, even normal humans can easily drain our energy and take advantage of us.  So for me I'd rather work on my awareness rather than my knowledge.

That actually brings up another internal conflict thas has been bothering me for a while, my lust for knowledge vs. my spiritual journey.  This doesn't seem like a conflict at first, but more and more that phrase from the Tao Te Ching has been grabbing me: "a scholar learns something new everyday, a man of the tao forgets something new everyday."

It seems that while some knowledge can be a great roadmap to help you find the higher spiritual reaches, there comes a point when learning more is intellectual masturbation.  For me, at least, I should say.  I guess really all it means is that I need to stop "learning" and start putting what I've learned into action.  The problem is I love learning so much.

I used to tend to have my solar plexus open and projecting quite often, believing that maintaining that connection with others was generally a good thing.  I would get crushed & hurt by others because I was so open, and I was inviting so many "hooks".  I would often feel "spiritually exhausted" if there's such a thing, and be prone to emotional outbursts and ups & downs.  It never dawned on me that I was being exploited, or that others could have "evil" motivations.

Learning about the OP theory opened my mind to the possibility that it's ok to close myself off spiritually to certain others around me.  It has made a notable improvement in my life.  My state of mind is much more stable and I can keep the "dogs" at bay much better than before.

In fact, I think that some of the folks I used to "hate" I now see eye to eye with better.  Perhaps it's a matter of accepting people for who they really are instead of what I would have liked or expected them to be.  When they are coworkers, I don't have the option to not deal with them, but I do have the option not to pour my spiritual "guts" out to them.

I'd have to say that I don't care anymore if an individual person is an OP or not (I used to wonder "who are they, which ones?").  I really couldn't care less.  I'll reach out or help others in whatever capacity I feel is warranted or appropriate.  People are people -- like it was said in the above postings, anyone is a vector of attack -- you have to take it situation by situation.  I think that relying on categories would result in a much worse situation.

So, thank you Montalk for your writing on OP's, and I agree with you, Limukala, that it's best not to go around labelling and categorizing.  I agree with you too Lyra that it's important to honor observations whether or not they seem "nice".

Thanks for the great thread!

When someone stands before me and expresses a resonant empathy, whether positive or negative, I have to decide which it is that effects my emotional sensing unit. Is my ego being threatened? Am I  denying a shadow projection? Is it I who feels insecure? Is it my soul sensing an energy flow? Is my ego being insincerely stroked for an ulterior motive?

Perceptions are linked to a much deeper sense than those I can catagorize consciously. I can observe the energy transfer and decipher in which direction it flows: in or out. My own shadow stands as the guardian to the door to the collective unconsciousness. I can ask, "Please self, let me be a conduit for the kind of energy that can balance and ground me. How can I serve this union of opposing energies?"

In some cases, well in many cases, I, and my guardian shadow make the difference. I have enough energy--as a matter of fact it is abundantly supplied-- to fill any void. If it shall be determined, I can at least attempt to put in the spiritual effort to heal my enemy. I know not whether it is myself or the other, but through the inner self is the source of the bond. I would like to believe that I have drawn those who lack the energy to spark their own soul. It is not for me to judge after I observe, but all I can do is serve with my abundance, and that will make whatever difference is due.

I observe and I serve.  The elite(the entitled) are the opportunity awaiting me to test my compassion. I want to serve them appropriately, for I know they lack an understanding of the path, not a soul.

limukala -

you're saying things which are striking chords with me - about lust for knowledge (storing info) vs. spiritual journey (part of which, to me, equates to 'continuous insight' which means no holding onto something after the fact) ... and judgement - holding an idea to someone rather than just observing what is in the moment ...

check this out - it's an excerpt from J. Krishnamurti - (in case you or other peeps are not familiar with him, this might be refreshing - it basically sums up some of his teachings):

"Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security -- religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice, he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity.

Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution. When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and the thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."