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Nice sketch, Oceanchild!

I believe that humans can evolve to the next level without artificial tampering, and that the hybrids are an attempt to hijack this process. Dr Bruce Lipton writes about how awareness and belief controls our DNA and can even change it. With increased awareness and perhaps the beginnings of fourth density perception, human DNA would naturally change accordingly, perhaps being restored to and surpassing its former potential before it was stunted during the last hybridization campaign thousands of years ago.

If the grays, reptilians, whomever are the ones engineering these new hybrids, contrary to what they propagate through their channels the hybridization program would neither be necessary nor beneficial for us if a better alternative - natural evolution - exists. Whereas previously we got our intellects and manual dexterity upgraded to become better slave workers and loosh producers, this time a psychic upgrade and severing of the heart connection would turn the human race into a psionically empowered but spiritually disempowered army ready to help further the conquest of other worlds.

It's a sad situation because these hybrids are souled beings and there will be lots of them, and their existence and right to live should not be infringed, nor should they be persecuted because as far as I am concerned they are just unwitting tools in a game beyond themselves. At the same time if the future of mankind is at stake, meaning there will be a choice between genetic assimilation and lockdown or natural evolution towards spiritual liberation, something has to give. I am hopeful that perhaps the mankind can become self-sufficient and together with the hybrids break free from the control of the alien collectives. It may be as simple as awareness spreading of our connection with the Divine, that those who created our bodies do not own our souls, and that we can decide our own destiny and owe nothing to those who made us (humans and hybrids) for their own selfish profit.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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i agree with your sentiments about humans evolving without artificial tampering, montalk. i guess my use of the term hybrid was a little off - or different from the way you're using it at least once in what i said - but your point still applies - for me to go looking specifically for someone who has a different genetic background from myself in order to create a child with more diverse genes - that's a little goofy ! i'm just not bound by race/religion/culture/economic status/etc./etc. - but soooooo many people are - they cut themselves off - and it's because of their upbringing - their conditioning - their beliefs ...

i can see how awareness and belief could have a direct impact on our DNA - actually, i know nothing about it - but it still makes sense. but even that isn't important for me ... Montalk, you mentioned awareness and 4D perception as being conducive to evolution - i'm with you on the awareness part - awareness of the state of world and awareness of ourselves as we are, in the present moment - and the 4D perception couldn't hurt either - but no matter how much our genes changed or what powers we got - it would be insight that would help guide us as well - and i guess that would come with the awareness ...

someone once said truth isn't something you can ever hold on to - that it's not a dead thing - but that it's alive, moving all the time without a path - and it sneaks up on you like "a thief in the night" - you can't go seeking it out ... i like that - that's part of what i equate with 'insight' -- but i also think that once someone understands a 'fact' - if it's an actual fact - then it becomes part of them - they got it, and it doesn't need to be revisisted ...

& while we're on the topic of beliefs - i also believe change lies in our own hands - once we start taking responsiblitiy for ourselves - once we start realizing that we're a part of this world, not separate from it, once we start having a mature sense of responsibility towards this world and ourselves. That sense, that feeling - i think it needs to be deeply embedded in us, to be there continuously - we can be co-creators of this world to make it a better place - but i think it needs to start with us as individuals. the 'positive' effect spreads out, naturally.

the subject of aliens tampering with us to make us "psionically empowered but spiritually disempowered" for their own purposes is a serious topic - i don't know anything about it, but it's oppression - and what's sad is that as human beings - we're also our own oppressors - and have been for a long time. people get so stuck to beliefs - they can't see that their beliefs act as a barrier between each other - they cling to these things out of fear, out of a need for security, out of a need for belonging to something, perhaps - but that's all false, and counter productive ...

"natural evolution towards spiritual liberation"  - to me - it starts with facing the facts about ourselves and about the world we live in. to see that relationship between ourselves and the world - we would understand that we need to end all violence, all conflict, within ourselves, first. and i think that's where there's a lot of confusion -- lots and lots of it. we're in conflict within ourselves, and we don't know how to handle it.

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

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Lyra wrote:

Well, she wasn't creepy though, honestly.

I think what creeped me out was that this nurse was NOT creepy! That, somebody who is "working for the hybrid program" would be so angelic and wonderful- with the best of intentions. Again, I don't know enough about this scenario - but I'm now assuming (and I think I've read other threads that elude to this) that some people see the hybrid program as a positive thing, and are willingly, joyfully helping (?)

Hkelukka wrote:

I dont know if i have been an alien in a past life or if i aliens have been here before and seeded humanity as a whole. But i do believe that none of us knows for certain enough that we are all "pure white-bread humans" to label anyone as aliens and not label ourselfs as well.

Agreed. There seems to be a lot of evidence pointing our not being purebred humans. I don't doubt that we've been genetically manipulated at one point or another. For me, it's not about trotting out hybrids and feeling superior (is there anybody who does such a thing?) I think it's about tuning into various possibilites of how this scenario is going to play out and WHY. I would have a lot of compassion for a hybrid, just as I have compassion for myself and the various genetic and psychological obstacles I'm trying to overcome.

Lyra, what you point out about the possibilty of a "frequency lock down" plan filled in some gaps for me. I think I'm starting to understand the complexity of this process - especially, as it relates to our past, and other "plans" of similar nature.

Oceahchild wrote:

the subject of aliens tampering with us to make us "psionically empowered but spiritually disempowered" for their own purposes is a serious topic - i don't know anything about it, but it's oppression - and what's sad is that as human beings - we're also our own oppressors - and have been for a long time. people get so stuck to beliefs - they can't see that their beliefs act as a barrier between each other - they cling to these things out of fear, out of a need for security, out of a need for belonging to something, perhaps - but that's all false, and counter productive ...

"natural evolution towards spiritual liberation"  - to me - it starts with facing the facts about ourselves and about the world we live in. to see that relationship between ourselves and the world - we would understand that we need to end all violence, all conflict, within ourselves, first. and i think that's where there's a lot of confusion -- lots and lots of it. we're in conflict within ourselves, and we don't know how to handle it.

I like what you say here. I agree that natural evolution starts with spiritual liberation and facing facts about ourselves and the world. As a civilization, so far, we've been unsuccesful breaking free from the wheel of conflict that's been turning for thousands of years - even despite people like you and me and others TRYING REALLY HARD to sift through the internal garbage - it's a slow road to China. Our way of life is a huge distraction. Our very *nature* is a distraction! Unless you have the luxury of being born with a *need* to seek... you're up shit's creek. Personally, I think we need a push, we need more power. And, I believe the only way we're going to break free is through a mass wake-up call, mass awareness. It has to be something so shocking and profound that it creates the burning desire/intent in millions of individuals to seek truth and awareness. Maybe, this wake-up call will be a combination of things... part of it might be "facing facts" not only about our place in the world, but our place in the universe... more specifically, WHO put us on this wheel of conflict and HOW they did it and WHO they are. Maybe it's time pull out the root of our oppression, so to speak.

I've been on the "awareness" path for a bunch of years. It wasn't until recently that I started to feel like it was time to acknolwedge some fringe elements. Exploring the idea of a hybrid program - tuning into various things I never noticed before - is part of acknowledging what I considered impossible (or at least, extremely unlikely.) And, I think, for many, as we near this critical juncture in time (the next six years?) ideas we considered impossible will become possible... and this is going to open minds, helping to usher this natural evolution, this shift. At least I hope so! smile

As a side note, and I'm not sure why I feel compelled to say this, but... for my type of personality, it was important to establish that foundational awareness BEFORE moving full-force into fringe territory. I think a lot of people, not all, but some, get really obsessed with this stuff. They lack the foundation to usefully apply this knowledge to their developement, and just create another huge distraction. That's one of the reasons I'm impressed with a lot of NR'ers - there's an active interest, but there's also a kind of laissez-faire. As Lyra said, it is what it is. Whatchya gonna do? So, the importance of investigating this hybrid scenario, for me, is to reinforce my awareness that emotion and frequency are precious - they're key in this struggle.

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All I would say is, don't judge a soul by it's custome. The appearance and supposed abilities/limits of the physical vehicle have little to do with an entity's intentions. Just because a soul is within a different type of body does not mean it's inherently benevolent nor inherently nefarious.

What if a Neanderthal human saw into our time/space? He might think along the same lines, that we look like alien/human hybrids to him, and not "pure". What is "pure" anyway? It has no objective basis.

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seeker wrote:

What if a Neanderthal human saw into our time/space? He might think along the same lines, that we look like alien/human hybrids to him, and not "pure". What is "pure" anyway? It has no objective basis.

........The assumption being of course, that any of us who thus far have been talking about hybrids are doing so with the mindset that:

A)  They're negative and we are directing bad thoughts to them;
B)  We're advocating the idea of "pure" versus "unpure."  Nobody here has even used that word at all to describe hybrids.
C)  That we're all saying we are the "okay" ones and hybrids are not.

Clarifying these assumptions:

- Nobody here is advocating any kind of persecution towards hybrids, or to look down on them.   We're pointing out what's going on in the media with regards to the alien/hybrid agenda....and there's nothing wrong with discussing that.   This subject is one of those "sensitive areas" I think because the population has been conditioned over the years with the mindset that to even discuss for example, racial differences within humans, is to be advocating prejudice, division, hate, discord, etc. etc. and so on.  And now that same principle is being applied here.  We've been conditioned to not discuss differences at all, or to point things out for that reason, even if doing so holds neutral intents....because somebody somewhere is going to take it the wrong way, get offended, be sensitive, and so on. 

- Nobody here said we were "pure" and they're not.   In fact.........I know that I at least said that humans supposedly had more abilities in the past, which supposedly have been stripped from us as we've progressively been tinkered with and "refined."   That means I'm also saying that we are corrupted too.

Personally, I'm digging this thread - it's interesting and pretty high caliber.  Not too many message boards cover juicy info. like this in an intelligent and interesting way.   And not too many places out there are covering this topic the way we all are here.  So I hope it can continue, without people getting all sensitive.  In my belief, this phenomenon is real, and it's happening.  There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.  Again...it is what it is.  There's nothing anybody can do to stop it, but it's okay to notice it.   I for one am not going to keep quiet and refuse to discuss the topic for fear that somebody out there might get the wrong idea and think it's all about a racial superiority/inferiority, "purity" issues.   It's not about that at all.   The only negatives that I at least have cited so far with being "Homo-Alienus, The Next Generation" is that it may entail further frequency lockdown, and being more easily controlled.   

Anyway, hope that clarifies.

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Free will, i believe, is not an quality that is inherant in humans while lacking in others, i believe that free will as such cant be locked out and to alledge that the purpose of the homo-alienus is to lock away free will is to me, in error. They have had long time to try to lock it away so that is something i do not believe to be accurate. Cross pollination is far more likely, in that they are trying to create a breed of humans that suit their present astethical or culinary preferances. But to lock away free will is, as i see it, an oversimplification.

Also, their mean sources of food are related to emotions, the generation of "loosh" why would they make us more like them, alledgedly they having no emotions which i believe is very inaccurate. And also, if their main source of food is human "loosh" then making humans less emotional if they still desire us as food is unlogical. But for the purpose of making hosts out of us, in that through this next step of cross pollination it would be easier for them to walk in, that seems very much more likely.

Saying that only humans have emotions and aliens cant have emotions is also, to me, an oversimplification, did not one person here already mention that one of thes "homo-aliens" was the most empathic and emotional people s/he had ever met. So to hold our emotions as what defines is, to me, erranous.

It is very true that we have lost alot of our ability that we had through ages and have been made more and more dogile and "dumb". Yet, i would like to point out that there is a definete acceleration in spiritual growth that has been happening through out ages and the lockdown of our abilities may not be genetic in nature but cultural. And also, it might be that since our perception of history is inaccurate that our abilities have indeed risen and not gone down and we are only lead to believe that it is the other way around so we would resist efforts that might be helpful for our spiritual growth. If it is indeed true that our abilities have gone down and not risen then why would newage and other cultural programmings pop up and try to divert our increasing awareness into more tight channels. This can be explained with the approach of the wave or what ever one might call it. The end of times if you will.

But if their soul purpose is to lock away our talents then why make the hybrids any different visually from us. Why not simply lock away the genetic attributes of people while they sleep and return them as they were. Why go through the trouble of creating a paraller race. Certainly homo-"handy" is going to die out eventually, in the near future most likely, it dosnt mean that we will die due to bloodshed or being "breed out" but due to our abilities being insufficient to survive in the world. If the homo-alienis has no emotions then they are bound to attract unwanted hostility from the rest of the human race and if they are truly different in their genetics then they will eventually be found out and that would cause a great deal of bloodshed in the present society. To me, this appears to feed on the fears of people.

1. Look at what attribute of the human genetic code matches with spiritual ability and has a definite physical attribute as well.

2. Create a race that matches those and use it in the evil experiments.

3. Look at the race kill its own potential spiritual aspects out of fear and loathing.

4. Complete a perfect catch 22

The grays have been generated by lizzies, on that we can agree, why have the grays been generated by lizzies to look like they do, perhapse their genetic looks ties in with spiritual potential in some form. As they are "spiritual machines" and obviously have high talents like telepathy and hypnosis. Then perhapse developement of those talents enhance those areas of the body. Big brain = Big talents. As a simplification. So instead of fearing and hating what we should, lizzies and the evil side of things, we focus on the physical side. The hybrids. Let us not forget that a hybrid is still half human. That a "mulat" is half white. That jewish are still partially no jewish. Always when we focus on the enemy inside people we demonize them, when we focus on the friend inside people we bring them closer.

I will always have an arms length between me and people i dont know, but if someone is a hybrid has little negative influence on me. Their actions will result in me judging them good or bad, not what their parents did (parents being lizzies of grays).

If they simply want "meat and blood" then there are easier ways to get that, if they want emotional energy then removing emotions isnt the easiest way to get emotional energy.

- maybe one day i'll be lucky enough to help bring a hybrid into this world

Not sure if you meant a human cross-cultural hybrid or a cross pollination/alien hybrid. But if we are talking bout alien-human hybrids then i must say that i would be very honored if some aliens choose me as a alien-human hybrid father. I might decline the offer and not do it willingly, but i would be honored by the offer. Akin to a gay person offering to have sex with me, while it is flattering i wouldnt be sure if i would do it.

I believe that humans can evolve to the next level without artificial tampering, and that the hybrids are an attempt to hijack this process.

That is verymuch possible, it depends how one defines tampering and hijack. If you wave your hand now it will change how the air goes around the globe and thus you are tampering with all life, the difference in air reflection will change the amount of light that reaches a different galaxy by a infinitely small margin as the light is reflected differently from our atmosphere back to space. So all we do will already tamper. All we do will also, by free will, already be accepted by us. To be raped is in accordance with free will as  it would not happen if you would not let it happen. So how does one defien it all. If we are here because aliens modified us and we would still be apes throwing shit at each other would you still count the tampering as bad. Ofcourse a purist would say that yes it is bad but it isnt that simple, you wouldnt have been born, your wife wouldnt have been born and so on. Ofcourse, since there are so many souls here on this planet, it goes to prove that all of this is still preferable to what ever is the alternative. So knowing all of this darkness, there is still a great deal of desire to come here. I am grateful for being here, i am also dedicated in rebelling against anything that goes against my freedom to choose. So while i cant say what i would have done in the past, i can say that since i am here i do agree with it or i would simply kill myself. If i deemed my existance as a "sin" i would simply die.

Humans tend to say that "tampering that lead me here is good but tampering that would change me is not good".  In that even cross-bred humans often oppose cross-breading. I have noticed that we tend to mirror our own fears into the world, if we fear having no free will then we see what is different as having no free will as we inherantly have free will.

I dont know the motivations of any aliens who temper here, so i am prudent and slow in my decicions so as not to slap at a hand who might try to help me. Who knows, perhapse this cross breeding is an attempt to bring something that we lost back into the fold? Who truly knows the plans and battles behind the curtains, i know enough to know i dont know enough. So i duck my head and cover smile

I am hopeful that perhaps the mankind can become self-sufficient and together with the hybrids break free from the control of the alien collectives.

I am not one to say since i am perhapse amongst the youngest memebers. But what you said is wise beyond your years. I realise that it pains many to see the cross breeding programs like these, but hate not the child that is brought into this world not aware of their fathers sins.

That, somebody who is "working for the hybrid program" would be so angelic and wonderful- with the best of intentions.

To me, what is so interesting is that all signs point to the hybrids being far far more developed than most humans in all abilities mental and as mental and spiritual can easily influence the physical if applied to it, most likely more developed physically as well. The only problem being the severed heart connection, to me it seems like the aliens are making a huge gamble. They are giving human souls a great vessel, that is cabable of destroying their plans and perhapse even them. And using a flimsy "severed heart" to hold them in check. As most healers here know, a severed heart is easy to reconnect. A spiritual heart transplant of sorts. It is an accident that is waiting to blow up in their faces. When i look at gemma, who, i believe, is perhapse not a hybrid, i am filled with such a profound sense of sorrow. As if the hybrids and the souls in them are gathering to make a huge sacrifice. Like the virgin being thrown into the volcano.

And in response to what you said Once & Future. It goes to show that the body itself is not incabable of having emotions, the hybrid body. But how is it wired, now imagine 5 million hybrids spread across a lizzie empire that is embroiled in many wars at the same time. And 1 hybrid figures out an easy way to restore the heart connection and starts to work undercower. With the enhanced abilities he manages to stay hidden long enough to cause a revolution. While the hybrids might die, it might be big enough of a revolution to cause the whole lizzie empire to collapse. Think of the matrix, you might have to surrender, join them and then destroy them from the inside to win in the end. I do not know if that is the case or a part of the entire struggle, but i do know that i do not know enough to count that out either. As long as we hold true to our ideas and remeber to desire freedom against opression that thought will be enough to wake us up in the future if we fail in the present.

Faith brothers/sisters.

-Aki

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Hkelukka wrote:

Saying that only humans have emotions and aliens cant have emotions is also, to me, an oversimplification,

Hkelukka, I'm on my way out the door so don't have much time to respond, but wanted to address this specific point.  I never, anywhere in any post, said that "only" humans have emotions and that aliens "can't" have emotions.

I said that the Grays are supposedly a hive mind cybergenetic organism with no emotions.  Grays does not encompass all aliens.  Grays is just one specific group of beings.

This is why communicating on a message board can sometimes be very, very annoying.

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128 (edited by Once & Future 2006-05-22 21:36:14)

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Yikes! Where did we get the idea that anybody is judging hybrids here? It's just a matter of discussing the motivations behind a hybrid agenda. If there is an active hybrid program... and if the media is rolling out some kind of subliminal familiarization program.... and if *SOME* Grays have exhibited nefarious behavior/intentions... than why wouldn't we want to evaluate the hybrid situation critically? In my mind, it's no different than evaluating, say, the lives of two people who grew up in different socio-economic backgrounds and how those people impact society.

Once & Future wrote:

That, somebody who is "working for the hybrid program" would be so angelic and wonderful- with the best of intentions.

Hkelukka wrote:

To me, what is so interesting is that all signs point to the hybrids being far far more developed than most humans in all abilities mental and as mental and spiritual can easily influence the physical if applied to it, most likely more developed physically as well.

Hkelukka, maybe I misunderstood, but the angelic premie ward nurse "working for the hybrid program" was human, not a hybrid. She believed in and was devoted to her work -- Not that I'm saying a hybrid isn't capable of the same angelic devotion.

Hkelukka wrote:

And in response to what you said Once & Future. It goes to show that the body itself is not incabable of having emotions, the hybrid body. But how is it wired, now imagine 5 million hybrids spread across a lizzie empire that is embroiled in many wars at the same time. And 1 hybrid figures out an easy way to restore the heart connection and starts to work undercower. With the enhanced abilities he manages to stay hidden long enough to cause a revolution. While the hybrids might die, it might be big enough of a revolution to cause the whole lizzie empire to collapse.

I would imagine since hybrids are half-human, they are capable of accessing emotion, and I think most people on this thread agree. As you suggest, it's entirely possible for hybrids to learn how to activate their heart center. The idea of a hybrid revolution would certainly be a twist in the story. Who knows... anything's possible!

Hkelukka wrote:

As far as what you have to say about Free will, i believe, is not an quality that is inherant in humans while lacking in others, i believe that free will as such cant be locked out and to alledge that the purpose of the homo-alienus is to lock away free will is to me, in error. They have had long time to try to lock it away so that is something i do not believe to be accurate. Cross pollination is far more likely, in that they are trying to create a breed of humans that suit their present astethical or culinary preferances. But to lock away free will is, as i see it, an oversimplification.

Personally, the idea of genetic tinkering for the purpose of creating tastier treats (slowly baking us to perfection!) is more of an oversimplification than the idea of locking us into a genetic bunker from which it's difficult to access our will. At the same time, as you said, if strong emotions are a source of food, why would they create a low-key race of hybrids? I have my theories, but I'm not schooled enough in this area to start spouting off, and frankly, I'm afraid I might say something wrong! smile

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Note to all: Lyra and i made an peace-treaty off forum (email) and as a part of that i will not be responding in any way to any argument or point she brings to the table and i will go back and delete and edit any posts in this debate where i address her so as to ease this peace.

So, once and future.

The difference in opinion here is on the definition of the word judge. Noone can judge anyone from a higher point of view unless the person being judged is granting the judge that right. So in that sense, no, noone is judging hybrids and in that we are in complete agreeance. However, if you view judge as a term of finding something bad or harmful, in essence, judging something from a personal point of view, then everyone does that to everything at all times. You judge that you dont want to lick a freezing lamp-post. So it depends on how one defines judging. Now, i only pointed out that it is a trend in judging that which we dont know to be harmful more easily than that which we do know. So i am not, in essence, saying anyone not to judge. For i have no power to do that anyway, i am only urging people to judge fairly. If the hybrids are truly evil and part of a evil plan then that ofcourse, should be exposed, but by letting physical charachteristics. Preferance or displeasure with how hybrids look define how we think of them. Is inviting disaster.

I urge you to think critically of everything, definetly the hybrids included. But the way i see this situation is quite simple, in that the topic is of such seriousness that i, in a way, plead with people to take it seriously and thusly not make judgement as to their charachter because of them being hot or not. If you defend against something for the wrong reasons you draw energy away from that which you truly need to defend against. So evaluate how much energy should be spent on protecting yourself here and then proceed to do so. If you think before getting here, that the energy you need to defend against them is low because they only present a low threat, and refuse to see more because you are already protecting against them "being ugly" then you can endanger yourself and invite danger on yourself.

Hkelukka, maybe I misunderstood, but the angelic premie ward nurse "working for the hybrid program" was human, not a hybrid. She believed in and was devoted to her work -- Not that I'm saying a hybrid isn't capable of the same angelic devotion.

Ahh, sorry, i misunderstood the context there, so she was working with children who looked like hybrids but was not one herself?  That changes it a little, thank you. smile

(slowly baking us to perfection!)

hehe, nice metaphor tongue But seriously now, it depends on how big a gap one sees between us and them. Since for them to go through the effort of locking us down would indicate that they consider us a threat worthy enough to lock down. Or that our abilities are important enough so they can lock us down and make us some kind of foot-soldiers. There are probably more possibilities but those are the 2 main ones put forth here. If however, they dont consider us a threat then it is very much possible that they can take their sweet time making us the next inter-galactic treat. As we would pose no threat to them even with our enhanced abilities.

And if i try to place myself in the boots of a lizzie then it would be logical to assume, that being now arrogant, overbearing and powerful enough to manipulate us 200.000 years in the past. It would look to "me" that humanity would pose no threat, and as such can be tampered with on will. Thus perhapse bringing down my own downfall through underestimation. So who knows what they really want from us, maybe they want to grow some hair on us next and make us look like furry little modern apemen smile

I have my theories, but I'm not schooled enough in this area to start spouting off, and frankly, I'm afraid I might say something wrong!

For what its worth, never be afraid to say your point of view out of fear of someone dismissing it, especially someone who has no value what so ever over you, in this case. Me or anyone else. So spout any theories you want and keep in mind that underneath all this argumenting and such. We are all only spouting theories.

Anyone who's gone to the "lizzie&badguys. school of how to take over earth" raise your hands...

thought not, me neither big_smile So its all theories wink

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Hkelukka wrote:

If the hybrids are truly evil and part of a evil plan then that ofcourse, should be exposed, but by letting physical charachteristics. Preferance or displeasure with how hybrids look define how we think of them. Is inviting disaster.

I urge you to think critically of everything, definetly the hybrids included. But the way i see this situation is quite simple, in that the topic is of such seriousness that i, in a way, plead with people to take it seriously and thusly not make judgement as to their charachter because of them being hot or not.

Hey Hkelukka. I can't find anyplace where people have made judgements about the hybrids' "character" in the last few pages of this thread - only people who are making judgements about how hybrid images are being rolled out into mass media to familiarize us with a particular *look.* When hybrid images are being promoted as sexy, beautiful, high fashion, etc... people will naturally make judgements about whether or not they find those images sexy, beautiful or fashionable.

Again, on this thread (at least the past few pages) I haven't read any negative assertions about hybrid character. And, if you are sensing a "self-protective" tone, please consider that much research suggests the hybrid program is not being carried out for the benefit of mankind. They hybrid program isn't executed in an honest, straightforward way - it's secretive, invasive and traumatizing. Maybe if the hybrid progam was on the up-and-up (a volunteer basis) people would feel less manipulated and on-guard.

Bottom line, the hybrids themselves are victims here. And, I appreciate your idea that people should be sensitive in how they talk about them, and remain cognizant of any potential "racist" or prejudice attitudes. You are right. This is very important and duly noted!

For the record, Hkelukka, I personally, still hold the idea of hybrids loosely. I have not had any direct contact with hybrids. I do not know what's really going on here. For me, it's a very strong theory, one that intrigues me to do more research, pay more attention, and learn whatever I can from people who have had more experience in this area.

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The danger with calling hybrids or any other group any particular name is that while a member of such a group might not be participating in this particular forum, while this is, regardless of what might be thought of. A public debate in a public forum and calling any group that has one thing in common, to be half alien and thusly, half human. Is, while possibly try, inviting disaster in that it can be taken massivly off proportions and will blowup in our collective faces.

I wont read the past posts that were made before this due to some rather volatile situations that have no been solved and any comments on what someone said where will only invite trouble and as such it is not what i desire.

And yes, you are correct, in that there has been no direct judgements and such but it is a very very slippery slope we are walking here, and all i can say is that i advice deep caution about letting our own programmings and cultural preferances let run wild.

I do believe that the in all likelyhood, the hybrid program is not beneficial for humanity as it is now. As i said i would probably not be involved even if asked but least of all if forced. What i am suggesting is not simply that the hybrids and aliens in media are neccesrily good, but that they might be a red cloth that is simply designed to make as trot and snort at them like a bull at the cloth while we ignore the true purpose. What ever that might be. Simply crossbreeding humans and aliens on its own and then leaving the crossbred people here makes no sense, there has to be a purpose as to why they do that.

So now, we can agree that there is a breeding program

That program is most likely not beneficial to humanity as we are now.

That program is mostly done covertly and against the will of the people involved

We dont know what the end goal they have in mind is. We can assume it is nefarious but we cant be sure.

So yes, one should always be very wary of manipulation, but one of the basic things one learns in any good martial arts that combat is 99% feign and 1%strikes. All likelyhood points to this being one undertone of a long plan, while it is useful for extrapolating the end of the plan it on its own is not the end goal. Or could be as well, i dont know but that is why i recommend being very wary of manipulation and all things hidden. But keeping in mind that most people here have an aversion to hybrids and most alien researchers likewise, they can be a missing link. Imagine if you will, that you get your hands on the human genome and on 5 or so hybrids. You then cross referance and see they have DNA not present in anyone else. Imagine the implications of that. Yet it cant be done if all shun away from hybrids. So be aware of manipulations both internal and external.

I believe that it is likely that all of us are hybrids. So perhapse one should point at "Gray-human" hybrids in this particular context as it is very likely that we are "human-lizzie" hybrids to a large extent. So they might be the next step in the hybrid evolution. A hybrid mark 2 if you will.

Re: Aliens in the Media

Let's look at different published perspectives on the hybrid breeding program, and see how they mesh with our own experience, reasoning, and intuition. I will start with one end of the spectrum by excerpting from the Zetas themselves. This is from chapter 5 of "Visitors from Within" by Lyssa Royal:

Visitors from Within wrote:

Something is going on. The data from contemporary abductees
can at times be quite haunting. Some speak of the
removal of sperm and ova. Others speak of being pregnant
and suddenly having the pregnancy terminated with no afterindications
of the previous pregnancy. Some of the more
bizarre stories speak of genetic laboratories where halfhuman
infants struggle for survival. One thing is clear: These
stories reflect a consistency in detail and emotional flavor
from all over the United States, Europe, Japan, South
America, Australia, and other countries on Earth.

If this isn't an actual physical phenomenon, then something
is happening on a species level within the collective psyche of
humankind. The phenomenon itself cannot be ignored any
longer. It is time to plunge headlong into the depths of those
black and shiny eyes.

In this chapter, a conversation with Harone (the project
leader for some genetic projects) is presented. He addresses
some of the most common questions asked about the creation
of hybrids and the purpose for their apparent desperation to
create a new race. There are still many more things to discover,
but perhaps his information can trigger a deeper level
of understanding for individuals who grapple with these questions
daily.

[...]

We know that the Zeta Reticuli are taking our DNA. But are
they doing anything to us?

The wording of the question would suggest that you have
nothing to do with this, and we would certainly deny that. It
is a co-creation between our two races. But yes, we are
facilitating something within you that is the culmination of a
very ancient agreement.

The genetic work on your planet with your species began
from a more primitive form of life over a million of your years
ago. This genetic project was not consistently undertaken,
but left to simmer for thousands of years at a time. The last
phase of the in-depth genetic work done on your planet was
just before your "missing link" developmental period. At that
time, it was not the Zeta Reticuli doing that work. In this time
that you call the present we are picking up where your
forefathers have left off. We are facilitating another species
leap for the human race -for both your benefit and ours. We
recognize you to be a very valuable force in the galactic family,
and we understand that your development will be beneficial
to all. We also understand that you, as souls, have agreed
to this millions of years ago.

We know that there are scientists and researchers on your
planet involved in the empirical understanding of the "abduction"
phenomenon who would wish to discount the key element-
the soul. There is a part of you on an inner or
mass-conscious level that knows exactly what is going on. We
say to you that this part cannot be discounted, for that is like
using an equation and leaving out a missing piece.

The common question is, what is it we are doing? We spoke
about the light-plasmic language that we use on meta-atomic
levels. This is one of the ways we are helping you to achieve
a species leap. When you partake in experiments with us, yes,
you give us something. But we also give you something. That
something is more codes, more activation on the light-plasmic
language level. This is occurring with literally thousands
of people on your planet. There will be a critical mass
reached, and when this happens, the species leap will occur
in force.

What type of code? Can you explain the ideas that are represented
there?

The ideas are primarily representative of vision, meaning
that your vision has been limited since your inception. You
have seen yourself as a beingwhose country or family was only
as far as you could see. You are now (in the last forty years)
achieving a global vision so that you are not just, in your terms,
Americans but citizens of a global civilization.

Primarily, the code we are triggering within you is the
recognition of yourselves as part of a galactic ecosystem, a
working piece of the whole. It is a code that will allow you to
expand your vision, and with this expansion you will see that
some of the structures you have created for the last several
thousand years can no longer serve you, and you must adapt
your structures to your new vision.

When we say vision, we are also talking about the
metaphysical idea that you create your reality. Your limited
vision has created a limited potential. Now it is time for the
unlocking of the unlimited potential, and that potential will
equal the expansiveness of your vision. We see the work that
we do with you as galactic evolution, and since you've experienced
only species planetary evolution, it is a new arena
for you. But there are guides, there are facilitators who have
been there before who assist you.

What are the various ways that the Zeta Reticuli create hybrids
using our genetic material?

We were talking about the triadic template, so we will start
with that. After the triadic template, we take codes from ourselves
that we consider to be of value. We have already
learned how to isolate which codes are what qualities, so that
is already known. (When we say "codes," we speak of vibration-
vibrational structures.) We begin with the triadic
template and then locate the codes or the qualities locked
within a vibrational signature that we wish to retain in the
creation of the hybrid race.

For instance, the preponderance toward unity rather than
diversity would represent one of our valued codes. Also, the
idea of being a group mind is valued. It will be expanded upon
later and lessened in intensity using your DNA.

Then we would take the qualities of humans that we feel
are valuable and (speaking symbolically) wrap them around
our own codes. This will create an energy field that will begin
an integration of both codes. For instance, the qualities of
yours we find valuable would be your love of individuality.
When mixed with our code of mass mind, we theorize it will
be avery stable balance. We also use your drive for reproduction,
for perpetuating the species. We also value your love
of emotion, and that is wrapped around our code for absence
of emotion. Again, we theorize that this will produce a stable
balance in the emotional bodies of the hybrids.

[...]

What do these various strains of hybrids look like?

The most successful strains so far have had very light, translucent
skin; large heads with more developed frontal lobes;
either hairless, white or silvery hair; eye structures that can
perceive wavelengths of light beyond your visible spectrum;
small nose; small mouth, but we are still working on the creation
of a digestive tract; a very simplified excretory tract;
reproductive organs similar to yours; approximately four to
five feet in height; either four fingers and a thumb, three
fingers and a thumb, or three fingers and another appendage
that we would not call a thumb; very sensitive hearing but
without a large external appearance of an ear like you; and a
heightened sense of smell and taste.

Some of the unsuccessful strains were much smaller and
much more fragile. Some of them had craniums too large to
be supported by their bodies, and as they grew they would frequently
experience what you call a broken neck or deformed
neck vertebrae supporting a head disproportionate to the
body.

Why is it that the Zeta Reticuli sometimes present babies to
humans and then watch their reactions?

This has a multifold purpose. One is that we recognize the
need humans and semihuman hybrids have for nurturing. We
have had many hybrids die because of lack of attention and
warmth. It has taken us many tries to learn the connection
between this emotional bonding and survival.

When we made this connection we began asking volunteers
to come and nurture these children. They nurture the
children to sustain the life of the hybrid child. Also, it allows
us to monitor the neurochemical secretions that occur during
such a bonding exercise - the neurochemicals of both the
mother and the child - so that we can perhaps have emotions
stimulated in us. We can perhaps learn how to nurture as we
once did so very long ago. So far, these presentations have
not triggered emotion in us, but at the same time we recognize
their value.

This nurturing of hybrids on the part of human females occurs
much more frequently than many realize. It is more common
than is the actual abduction occurrence.

What do the children experience?

They experience a very archetypal idea. Obviously we cannot
communicate in the same way with the children at the
time of the nurturance, but what we are able to gather is that
they feel a sense of connection with life. You must remember
that all of the hybrid beings we work with are Zeta souls
o r Earth souls) choosing this experience. So they are not
crying out in anguish. But yet the interactions with the human
females allow them to feel connected to life and give them
the strength of survival in order that we may carry out the experiments.
You may also call it love. Since we do not know
love, we cannot tell you if this is the emotion. But it is logical
to assume that it is.

Do the hybrids experience any discomfort or fear? Unsureness
about being part of the experiments?

Not generally. As has been stated, all the hybrids are souls
who have deliberately chosen to enter this experience. So
from that understanding, there is no fear or sense of victimization.
There is no self-pity. They are joyously partaking of this
experiment. The only discomfort they may feel is when one
of their physical vehicles is beginning to cease functioning.
They will feel the life flow ebb from them. This may be a confusing
experience for them, but other than that, there is no
sense of cruelty. There is no fear.

Do the hybrids ever take part in abductions later on?

Yes. Some of the hybrids who have lived to adolescence or
adulthood work with us in the detainment of humans. In the
research on your planet, this can account for the many different
types of beings encountered by abductees. (We use the
term "abductees" only because it is your term, not ours.)

It is theorized that the usage of hybrids during abductions
will give the abductee a sense of comradeship - that there is
someone there who shares at least part of their reality. It is
also theorized that perhaps a trigger of emotion will occur on
the part of the hybrid during the interaction with the human.

We have one more thing to say. We speak to you now from
your time continuum that is roughly the transition point between
1990 and 1991 as you count time. It is our understanding
that within the next ten of your years the hybrid
experiments will be nearly complete. We do not know how
this will occur, for it is only a theoretical projection. But you
can hasten the pace of this work by understanding that there
are no victims and that we have all chosen interaction in this
way together.

The hybrids are symbolic of a marriage between our species
and represent the future of both of our races. They represent
the best of both of us. They represent the potential of the
human soul.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

133 (edited by Hkelukka 2006-05-23 13:22:26)

Re: Aliens in the Media

From my own studies of spiritual things, what they say is so insidious because it is all (the soul levels and such) 100% true. All souls choose to come here, granted, all experiences that you have are because you choose to have them. Yet, to be born here is what they desire, what they do here is up to them. They can either go along with it or not go along and try to rebel. So to say that they are all volunteers is both true and false. If you walk in the streets and suddenly stab a person to death, it is true that their will desired for it to happen as obviously, it cant go against free will nothing ever can. But did they choose to die or did they choose to risk death is something that is much more difficult to figure out.

So did the hybrids choose to agree to this treatment and not resist. OR did they choose to be a part of it so they can resist.

I have, in my opinion, a very high ability to interpret what is said in writing. Ofcourse all things being relative and such. But what they say in this is interesting in that it is both true and kind, but also incredibly nasty. If it is true that they are uncabable of feeling emotions then they are also making critical miscalculations in dealing with humanity and such. Emotional beings tend to disregard old agreements and go with the moment. Ofcourse until such a time as we go with the moment the agreement is binding.

If what the zetas say here is true then i fear that they are bringing themselfs up for a very very deep shock and depression, it brings a tear to my eye right now when i think of how the realisation of the pain they have caused will hit them. That in their quest to get emotions they robbed many of their emotions. So perhapse, the zetas should have, before all this, gotten a human with good emotions and a good internal bearing, a mother theresa like charachter and put that person in a position to oversee that no harm done emotionally is left unresolved.

It somewhat reminds me of the psycopathic person who cant understand emotions and then at some point they suddenly snap and cry for months when they realise what they have done with their lives. Such has been known to happen tho not very common.

Some part of that writing were clues that give away their lack of communicative ability.

Yes. Some of the hybrids who have lived to adolescence or
adulthood work with us in the detainment of humans. In the
research on your planet, this can account for the many different
types of beings encountered by abductees. (We use the
term "abductees" only because it is your term, not ours.)

It is theorized that the usage of hybrids during abductions
will give the abductee a sense of comradeship - that there is
someone there who shares at least part of their reality. It is
also theorized that perhaps a trigger of emotion will occur on
the part of the hybrid during the interaction with the human.

There are many pieces in this text that point to a lack of understanding and a very poorly researched alien (Meaning, that the aliens didnt bother to go through much trouble to ASK the humans what would ease their suffering.)

For one: "It is theorized that the usage of hybrids during abductions
will give the abductee a sense of comradeship - that there is
someone there who shares at least part of their reality"

Why not simply use humans as a cover, in that they get humans who are of good charachter and that are willing to work with them in this hybrid program. Gathering willing people should not be that hard. And then implanting these people in all abductions in a way so that they can explain what they would like to do, why and then show the abductee what the aliens look like and so forth. Possibly giving them some time to think about it on their own and if they choose to disagree then simply wipe their memory and return them back.

Surely any human in their right mind, if asked, would prefer what i suggested than to get face to face with weird and possibly scary looking alien crossbreeds. This explanation they give stinks of a setup.

Also: "They represent the potential of the human soul."

A strangely egoistical and nonsensical statement for a being supposedly non emotional. They should know that to represent a potential is only to represent one possible potential. So they are using 3 singular forms. "potential" and "soul" "human" instead of "potentials" "humans" "souls" which would indicate that this is one possible path that leads to a good outcome. What they say, instead is that they (hybrids(Plural)) represent the potential (singular) so the plural hybrids represent the singular potential. Meaning that they are using words like these to try to get us to believe that it is the only way forward.

Sounds like something rotting on Zeta-land

I dont have any concrete theories to point at with regards to hybrids. I have some very old computer games that i have played that refer to this alien infiltration (all the way from the 1994) But thats about it for my written sources.

Then again, i would like to point out that while that is supposedly from the Zetas there is no way to verify, which again could be one way to demonize them or could be a way for them to de-demonize themselfs. So either way i am sceptical.

Edit: Now, keep in mind these research infos come from a game that was made int he 1994 that tells the story of a secret war against the aliens that is going on behind the scenes of world politics that is set to start in 1999 and end in 2010

(I wont use the [img] code as that is usually considered "faul play" by server owners as it consumes their bandwith and is generally discouraged heavily)

alien abduction and genetic seeding
http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics … ot0093.png

Alien infiltration of world goverment with human looking aliens
http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics … ot0094.png

Aliens seeded life on this planet
http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics … ot0092.png

http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/index.html This has info on all the research available in the game. While movies are often associated with secret messages. Games often have far deeper and far more profound messages than most movies due to the nature of games being programmable by small groups with different agendas and thus promotes the possiblity to get your point across more easily than with a 100.000.000 budget

Interesting stuff.

2nd edit:

Alien human hybrids bread in a tank.
http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics … ot0103.png

And my favorite, Humans are food for aliens:
http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics … ot0102.png

Couldnt resist to point out those intersting coincidences.

also, if you lose humanity becomes a "some fringe world in some unkown alien empire"

Does that remind anyone of this conversation wink

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Re: Aliens in the Media

This reply isnt directly aimed toward lyra, as it might seem to be (we got no beef).  But her post brought about two irresistable urges to state my opinions on this stuff:

lyra wrote:

Nobody here is advocating any kind of persecution towards hybrids, or to look down on them.

I am.  Persecution is probably unnecessary at this point, but I look down on them. 

lyra wrote:

Nobody here said we were "pure" and they're not.

I am.  At least, we are purer than they.

lyra wrote:

Personally, I'm digging this thread

Me too! smile

In summary I'll just wrap up with a question: Why should I be loving and receptive to a weapon engineered to work against my fellow souls?  Why should I embrace a virus to my kind?

I apologize to any pacifists for my harsh and militant opinions.  But they are mine. wink

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

Re: Aliens in the Media

Such is the danger of speaking for all involved when trying to defend.

The sword is a weapon but the sword lead to surgery which is a good thing. So while as long as they are controlled by some nasties for the purpose of harming us then yeah, there might be some reason to be wary of them.

And yes, you are purer to them, when one views pure as "Looks and acts less gray-like" Assuming that they are manipulated by grays. Keeping in mind that our manipulation could have been done by another race and thusly means that our overall pureness could be the same yet in comparison to them and what you desire to be, then you are closer to yourself and thus "purer" but it is not a description which would fit for all.

Why indeed. I know that by pacifist you mean more than me or not me directly, but i would still like to point out that i am not a pacifist. I am a practicalist. If violence is called for then violence shall be applied, but not on an emotional "ewww" factor.

You need not embrace them but you do need to work logically, in that while they can be a engineered piece to be used against our fellow souls, yet if they dont need someone to work in them then they have a soul as well do they not. And then it is not a matter of soul VS soulless as it would be with grays as is widely portrayed. But of soul VS different soul. And in that level playing field it is completely accetable to fight them. But as with all things you fight understand on some level that it is as you desire for it to be. So fight all you wish to fight. But be sure you are fighting the right enemy before you commence. And try to minimze collateral damage smile