• From: aworld w/out invisible borders
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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Seeing as how this topic came up, I would like to share my experience with cannabis. 

For the first 6 moths it was great, I got high and had fun, then after that it went all downhill, and it did indeed open myself up to negative thought forms (NTF's) which no doubt kept me in a repeating loop of critical self analysis with no end (until I sobered up).  This happened the rest of the time while doing it.  At times, my body would be disconnected from my mind and I wouldn't be in total control of my body.  Not pleasant at all.

So what everyone was saying about it tearing holes in our aura/etheric field, from my first hand experience, it does.  But I guess its still different for everyone.

I think weed is like a double-edged sword, at one end it can give great insight on the nature of reality, on the other hand, for me anyway, I was open to thoughts that were not my own and that trapped me in a loop of negative thoughts.

czyx wrote:

On drugs I might think, "My god--this world may be a simulation and I may be a completely different kind of creature than the one I appear to be." Off of drugs I might think "My god--this is real. I'm here on this rock. I'm alive."

Well said. smile

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  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

JT wrote:

You wrote "As a plain and simple fact, our bodies do not produce THC as a part of its natural chemical process...nor alcohol, nor Extasy, nor cocaine, etc.."

What about DMT?

Hi JT,

Check out DMT info in Xenopope's last post on this Pineal Gland thread here--

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 575#p29575

Nice to see you posting, JT! cool

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  • From: Denver
  • Registered: 2005-08-02

Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Marciniak's Ps made reference to DMT in a Transcript from days of yore.

They specifically said that it was intentionally blocked / destroyed by something which had been inserted [probably programed genetically] in the back of the brain.
At the least, this is relative to MAO.......
In the AYA brew, one of the components is MAO Inhibitor.

Some more P / Head stuff is noted here:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2527

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Natural Mystic wrote:

Seeing as how this topic came up, I would like to share my experience with cannabis. 

For the first 6 moths it was great, I got high and had fun, then after that it went all downhill, and it did indeed open myself up to negative thought forms (NTF's) which no doubt kept me in a repeating loop of critical self analysis with no end (until I sobered up).  This happened the rest of the time while doing it.  At times, my body would be disconnected from my mind and I wouldn't be in total control of my body.  Not pleasant at all.

So what everyone was saying about it tearing holes in our aura/etheric field, from my first hand experience, it does.  But I guess its still different for everyone.

I think weed is like a double-edged sword, at one end it can give great insight on the nature of reality, on the other hand, for me anyway, I was open to thoughts that were not my own and that trapped me in a loop of negative thoughts.

czyx wrote:

On drugs I might think, "My god--this world may be a simulation and I may be a completely different kind of creature than the one I appear to be." Off of drugs I might think "My god--this is real. I'm here on this rock. I'm alive."

Well said. smile

Damn...you must have been smoking some good shit.   Can I have some?  :-)

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

JT wrote:

Hi Auendove,

You wrote "As a plain and simple fact, our bodies do not produce THC as a part of its natural chemical process...nor alcohol, nor Extasy, nor cocaine, etc.."

What about DMT?

WR

JT

Our bodies don't produce alot of things that are useful to life....namely:

Oxygen and Glucose

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Very intelligent and well-written book:Psychedelic Information Theory.

We are all Kosh.

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Hey Auendove,

Thanks for the link and the welcome.....not sure whether this is a tourist trip right now or more of an extended stay but it is nice to be back - whilst I have not posted for a long time (for reasons we discussed) I have always been a lurker here.

Will be moving to your side of the world next wednesday - will officially be a New Yorker as of next week :-)

On the subject matter - as you may recall, I know DMT rather intimately....so it was just in response to your "the body does not produce a, b and c etc" - my point was only that be it mushrooms or ayahuasca and so on (classed as drugs) that they contain DMT in a natural manner and so does the human body so maybe there was an exception to the rule.

And then again - there are the Cannaboid receptors in the brain - kind of a lock with the key being the cannabis. Strikes me there is not much point in creating a lock if you are not going to have a key to fit the lock.

I am neither for or against drugs however if one can get to grips with negative thought forms that come when stoned, then it is a piece of cake dealing with those that come when one is not stoned.

***On a seperate note***Have just signed the lease on new office in NYC - 111 Broadway, and one block in front of ground zero - the heart of the abyss :-)

WR

JT

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

JT wrote:

And then again - there are the Cannaboid receptors in the brain - kind of a lock with the key being the cannabis. Strikes me there is not much point in creating a lock if you are not going to have a key to fit the lock.

Huhn! I'd not heard of this before. Do you have a link?

JT wrote:

***On a seperate note***Have just signed the lease on new office in NYC - 111 Broadway, and one block in front of ground zero - the heart of the abyss :-)

NY? Wow! Here's to your future, JT....*clinking coffee cup to the monitor*. big_smile

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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  • Registered: 2005-07-04

Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

...you should try sum good south african home-grown.
the land of milk,honey an goooood pot!

Accoss the divide.

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Acknowledged Holo - my brother lives in Cape Town ;-)


Cannaboid Receptors Link: http://health.iafrica.com/doconline/pha … bismed.htm

And before I forget, there was a short piece on cannabis inducing schizophrenia earlier in the thread. As I recall those this is only relevant to those that already have a predisposition towards bipolar conditions and similar already.

That said, schizophrenia isnt necessarily a bad/negative condition.

Finally Audendove, just for you:

Roses are red

Violets are blue

I'm schizphrenic

and so am I

:-)

WR

JT

41 Reply by Risen (edited by Risen 2006-04-12 14:34:35)

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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

It is true our body has receptors for cannabinoids.  However THC isnt the only one which can "plug in" to those receptors.  Others have been found which do occur naturally in the body.  If desired I can find a link for this later.

But the real reason I'm posting is because of something above and on the last page too:

pokerboy wrote:

Our bodies don't produce alot of things that are useful to life....namely:

Oxygen and Glucose

How true.  And Vitamin C and plenty of others.  So I wouldn't say just because our body doesnt produce something would qualify it as a poison and/or drug.

On the other hand, I would also not say just because we have receptors for something is good reason to use it. 

I have plenty of experience with pot in my lifetime, believe that.  Over 15 years of steady use.  And although I've stopped using it in the last few years, I have not had any ill effects other than the typical "pothead" effects.  It is not a hard drug and if you want to call it that, by the same token Oregano is a drug and a hard one at that.  They both can make you feel good, just in different ways.

My point being I'm neither against pot nor for the abuse of it.  All good things in moderation.  Use your head or lose your head.

Also I would not say just because one got "infested" with neggies while on a substance, qualifies as a reason to blame it on the substance.  Could it have been your weakness that opened you to the attack?  I would say its a distinct possibility.  If you're healthy and strong, no weak drug like THC is going to be the cause of your downfall.  I'm tired of hearing people say "oh its the pot that made me lazy, its the pot that made me a bum".  Nope.  Take credit for your own good works, my man.

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Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
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Re: Warning: The Drugs Don't Work

Power Plants can be an interesting excursion but also they can do untold damage to the body and subtle bodies. Ganja is one that can lead to high counterproductivity and dependence very quickly.
All power plant substances open your field to hyperdimensional forces. The paranoid feeling that often  comes with ganja is caused by other things, beings, entities so to speak; getting into your field. The biggest problem with Ganja is that is lingers in the body and begins to alter one's consciousness and being with sustained use, almost in a symbiotic way. The last time I dabbled with the herb I noticed in no uncertain terms that the effects lasted for days, which is something I think regular users do not realize.
I have been in contact with many people that were supposedly engaging power plant substances with spiritual intent, but the results and the real intent is often not in alignment with what was professed.
I have not seen evidence that many of these voyagers have gained any spiritual awareness whatever from their forays.
Instead I see what Leary referred to as something like hedonic masturbation and fixation at a certain point on the path to the exclusion of all else.
I think it depends heavily on one's multidimensional makeup.
I am suprised that some people get off as easily as they do experimenting with tryptamines such as mushrooms. All of these things can be quite brutal and things can turn that way very quick indeed. Sometimes the visitors that show up can be difficult to get rid of.

StarCat