31 (edited by Imhotep7 2006-03-28 17:03:27)

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Hi, Neo, good to see you posting again! big_smile
I realize that many may totally disagree with me and my idea of 'what to do about the world' ..I no longer read Icke, or Wilde, or listen to radicals like Alex Jones, etc ... It doesn't make me FEEL GOOD. I am very aware of 'what is going on' and I am highly aware that it all is so much DEEPER than what many are willing to even imagine...because it brings on so much fear. I 'see it' but I am refusing more and more to GO THERE. It's all about fequencies and its up to ME to worry about my own. No one else's.
We cannot save the world. We can only 'find' ourselves. We are not in need of saving. I believe that quantum theory that each one of us creates our own world out of countless swarming possibilities and probabilities. What the Bleep did a good job of showing that, methinks.
I like what the P's say:  "You are the Watchers" ... and can walk amidst the chaos and destruction and be untouched as you look toward and create the world that YOU want.
We CHOOSE what we give our attention to. What we give our attention to, we Create. That is the immutable Law of Attraction. I also believe, although it makes me more than uncomfortable sometimes! smile --that whatEVER we see played out on what is seemingly OUTSIDE OF us ... is actually a reflection of something -- some vibration --that is within us... So it is only for us to 'sweep in front of our own doorsteps.' hmm
Either we believe we Create it ALL ... or we don't. It's like you can't just be 'a little bit pregnant' ...either you are...or you are not.

I'm not saying this 'should be' everyone's truth. It is mine. I have enough of a job taking care of and expanding my own consciousness...the rest of the world has to take care of themselves. As we do this -- we will then vibrate at a frequency that will draw to us what we actually WANT. I think its important, like the P's say, that we take some time each day to VISUALIZE what we DO want. We just got so lost in the Game... Time to step back and get a more detached point of view. Like Seth and the others said: "You get what you concentrate upon. There is no other main rule." Abraham: "That which is like unto itself is drawn."
Betty

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Neomatrix,

We all feel as you do at some point(s) in our walk.

You can either be the leaf flowing chaotically in the current (of information), or you can choose to be the rock around which the current flows.

As the rock, you're not detached, you're actually in connection with the current, but you are not moved by it.

The rock knows what it is. And that is all that matters.

Lemniscate

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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montalk wrote:

This was certainly strange, how an interesting poster with fascinating points became so quickly hostile when merely questioned on a few things. Perhaps he came here with too many insecurities gained through bitter experiences elsewhere, and was therefore too quick to react when facing the slightest bit of perceived opposition. False assumptions skewing perception would explain his frequent misrepresentation of the facts.

Whatever the case, he did play into the hands of a continuing agenda to polarize the membership via the typical "candy and daggers" routine. I did not like how he repeatedly turned to me for answers even though it was clear he already had his mind made up, leading me to believe perhaps his continued portrayal of me as some know-it-all was done wittingly or unwittingly to foment further resentment amongst disaffected members. Also, I found it odd how quickly he had available a convenient and largely contrived list of grievances and cheap shots against myself and others, as though he was merely whipping out what he had lined up from the start. Who knows...

All I can say is that a jerk who makes good points is still a jerk. And even if people were programmed and triggered, as my signature below says (copied from a fortune cookie I got yesterday) "you control your response and therein lies your freedom" ... Zarg didn't have to go bananas like this. For someone who preached questioning and discernment, he was awfully harsh with those who questioned him and discerned what missed the mark. For someone who advocates intelligence, he was quick to put NR down for being unintelligent unless we mindlessly agreed with all he said. So very contradictory from one point of view, yet obvious and expected from another. If he had kept his poise and been more open and sincere, perhaps this would have all turned out well. Oh well, so it goes. I wish him well. If anything good came from this furtherance of polarization, it's knowing who your friends are.

Maybe he simply just looks up to you and wasn't feeling the love?  I mean...what you've done here IS admirable.   And your energy DOES come off as fatherly.  I mean...what do you expect?  Some of us humans live on more than just analytical information.  Would it really kill you to stroke a few egos now and then....just to make people feel welcome?

Do you REALLY expect people to come here perfectly okay and rational?

What is the intent of Noble Realms?  An open society, or a club...a secret society? 

In an open society....it takes all types. Even people like me, or people like zarg.  We are willing to share, shouldn't that be enough? Sure.....we may be a bit disturbed from time to time(and it may show in our words), but in an open society.....it takes all types, no?

Be honest with yourself, define what you want out of this place. 

Your obviously smart enough to get rid of/handle the truly retarded after you get a REAL feel for who they are.   

A concequence of being highly protected/guarded is that some good things are filtered out also.   

Kinda like a porn filter that won't let you log into Yahoo!

Umm...bad example....but you know what I'm sniffing at.  :-)



**end non-sensical, assumption filled rant.  Get rid of the junk, keep the rest.;-)**

34 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-03-28 19:26:08)

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Imhotep7 wrote:

Either we believe we Create it ALL ... or we don't. It's like you can't just be 'a little bit pregnant' ...either you are...or you are not.

I agree with what you said, although I am pondering this one question; do we attract what other people say about our current situation? Being either a relatively positive or negative comment, are they talking about themselves, or do they say the things they say because we attracted those words to see ourselves?

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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If we believe what other people say about our situation, then that can become our belief.
If we create what we believe, then I guess we should be careful what we accept into our
belief system.  Easier said than done.
It must come down to focus.  Focusing on what we intend.

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Neomatrix wrote:

Greetings all,

It seems like anyone, even somewhat intelligent folks like Zarg, can say absolutely anything these days and pass it off as the unequivocal truth without offering the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. This is most frustrating, especially for someone like myself who possesses an engineer's mind and thus demands some semblance of evidence to back up lofty claims. Let's start with sourcing our information for starters. If you think that Stuart Wilde, David Icke, or Neale Donald Walsh are not worth listening to, then at least offer some explanation as to why you think this is so. Simply stating that something is "crap" doesn't help anyone here to decide whether this is so for themselves.

I have been pondering the same issues lately.  For a while I have been in this mad quest to find out who we are, what we are doing here and where we are going.  Sometimes I used to fall into a tremendous state of depression because I wanted proof just like we prove a concept in the chemical or physics laboratory.  But, it does not work this way!  These past few months I have decided to slow down and smell the roses.  I am in not much of a hurry although the itch to answer the above questions still lingering in the back of my brain.  By slowing down I feel much better and can accept whatever comes my way peacefully.  By no means this means I am laying down and not fighting back when something does not seem right, but the encounters are fewer and well spaced out.  Perhaps that is my reason of being here: Learn to be patient and feel the energy of the planet.

pokerboy101381 wrote:

Do you REALLY expect people to come here perfectly okay and rational?

As far as I am concerned that is not the expectation.  The expectation is that members at NR will treat each other with RESPECT even when disagreement occurs.  NO DECEPTIONS!

pokerboy101381 wrote:

What is the intent of Noble Realms?  An open society, or a club...a secret society?

As far as I am concerned is neither.  Jerks and disruptive people do not belong here.

pokerboy101381 wrote:

In an open society....it takes all types. Even people like me, or people like zarg.  We are willing to share, shouldn't that be enough? Sure.....we may be a bit disturbed from time to time(and it may show in our words), but in an open society.....it takes all types, no?

Yes, but it does not give you the right to cry wolf and then say you were just checking to see who was awake.  I will tell you the truth and will treat you with respect but on the other hand I expect the same consideration.

pokerboy101381 wrote:

Your obviously smart enough to get rid of/handle the truly retarded after you get a REAL feel for who they are.

Yes, a while ago tom got rid of this disruptive guy that went by the name of ENERGY.

pokerboy101381 wrote:

A concequence of being highly protected/guarded is that some good things are filtered out also.

That is true, but truth shows its face sooner or later.

All statements above are just my personal opinion and may not be in complete alignment with Tom’s views.

Regards,

Lee

37 (edited by lyra 2006-03-29 10:48:32)

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whywhywhy wrote:

As far as I am concerned is neither.  Jerks and disruptive people do not belong here.

Well, always keep in mind the whole moon period thing.

Date of registering with NR:  March 14, 2006.  The day of the full moon.   

Date of re-emergence and more posts - March 28/29.   The new moon, on the nose.

wink

Just some food for thought.

Or maybe food for the moon...?  haha

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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38 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-03-29 12:53:52)

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Neomatrix wrote:

For the last several months I appear to have been suffering from a general disillusionment with any and all things "new age" and/or "woo-woo".

So that's what "woo-woo" means.  Never heard the term before coming here yesterday.  I experienced this disillusionment as well.  I've come to realize that all the reading I did wasn't to find the answer.  The reading was like ringing a bell to wake myself up.  Then I could learn to unlock my own well of knowing.

My ability to discern fact from fiction, information from disinformation, sense from nonsense, seems to be at an all time low, resulting in such high degrees of frustration for me that I've all but lost interest in making any attempt.

May not be a bad thing.  Listen to yourself.  Frustration is usually a call for a deeper search within, not without.

Is this world a prison?

Yes

Or is it a spiritual school?

Yes

Are we being held here only by layers of well placed deception and manipulation, both on the physical and non-physical levels

Yes

or is there some purpose to our being here at this time?

Yes.

Is the world really controlled by reptilians from another dimension

Yes

or is this all just another smokescreen designed to steer us in the wrong direction?

Yes.  Your questions seem to occupy separate levels.  It just won't work that way.  In order to end the frustration you need to realize which level is which.  Then pick which one you want.  Either way, we're all headed to the same place.  One way is just faster than the other.  Remember 3D is the level of Choice.

EDIT:  I'll try to explain a bit better.  You can think from these multiple levels.  But you seem to be confusing them for the same level.

How much of this reality am I responsible for creating, and how much of it (if any) can I actually change?

You willfully share a reality with a large number of other entities.  These entities are creating reality as well whether they know it or not.  If you are out voted on the overall reality here then you will see what we all see now.  My reality is non-existant when I look at the news.  But I'm still living in a separate reality.  You cannot create a reality that goes against the power of the reality that currently exists.  In other words, unless you can out weight the power behind what's going on now, you can't change the world.  But you can change your personal world.

All these and more are questions that I cannot answer myself

Are you sure this is the conclusion you want?  Or could this be a conclusion something else wants you to have in order to further confuse you and thus control you?


As we sit here pondering and reflecting upon these things, the world outside continues to go to hell in a handbasket.

Many entities want to experience hell right now.  Do you wish to impose on their free-will by wanting to take those valuable experiences away from them?  Or would you rather create an impenatrable Zion with others like you?  Heaven can, and does exist smack dab in the middle of hell.

More wars, more debt, more poverty, more suffering, more taxes, more "terrorism", more corruption, more lies, more controls, more bullshit.

Celebrate!  Valuable lessons abound for all.

Everyone that I speak to nowadays seems to be tired, disillusioned and pissed off - myself included.

Lessons are being learned.  Celebrate some more!

When I look towards the future I see only the inevitability of our present unsustainable society's collapse. There is so much writing on the wall I can no longer see the bricks.

Nothing shall be left hidden.  All shall be revealed.

And everything feels completely messed up to me right now.

Question is do you choose to simply see that "completely messed up" or be that "completely messed up"?  Choose to be a player in what you see or choose to be the audience.

The things that once mattered no longer seem to hold any relevance or importance, and I'm finding it harder to motivate myself towards being even remotely sociable.

Shutting down because a choice hasn't been made yet.  Don't be frustrated at the cues from the soul.  Recognize them.  Shut down completely if you must.  I've done it.  That way you can take yourself out of the equation for awhile and make the choice that's right for you.  3D is not about changing the world, it's about choosing your 4D world.


That's a lot of quoting.  But I felt it would be best to show a stream of thought intersperced with your own.

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Natural Mystic wrote:
Imhotep7 wrote:

Either we believe we Create it ALL ... or we don't. It's like you can't just be 'a little bit pregnant' ...either you are...or you are not.

I agree with what you said, although I am pondering this one question; do we attract what other people say about our current situation? Being either a relatively positive or negative comment, are they talking about themselves, or do they say the things they say because we attracted those words to see ourselves?

You've asked a very good question, Natural Mystic. Sometimes I feel certain that we create it all ... and other times, it becomes more than bit challenging to swallow! smile
In the very core of what I recognize to be my deepest beliefs, I honestly can say I DO believe that 'we create it all.' However, I JUST as honestly say that I don't always FEEL that way... hmm It's sometimes hard to take 'credit' for what comes your way!
My 'balancing' belief is this: I think that we have invited some of our soul friends to play certain roles for us. Even though we basically have written the 'gist of the play' ...I think they ad lib ... but I  think those ad libs are drawn forth from them according to our vibrational / frequency levels. This I see as 'our work.' These plays are to help us REMEMBER how to become more self-empowered.
When I 'go out into the world' ...in other words, leave my apartment ... the reactions and responses I get from people depend upon how I am _feeling_...how I am vibrating. And regardless of how NICE I try to be... what others are reading far louder than my put-on words is my Frequency Signature... When I am Feeling really great ... I just can't miss...everything is good and people are wonderful and I don't attract into my experience that which I don't want OR can't handle well.
I don't believe we write the 'script' for what others will say to us ... but I think that whoever it is that we are dealing with will  say / express what is magnetized by OUR own frequency level.
Right now the energy, to me, is so intense that I think its getting easier and easier to 'read' other people...and they, us.
I don't see this as woo woo stuff big_smile ... to me this is meta or quantum physics, and even though it can get exasperating for me sometimes...its also comforting to know that 'we' are in charge of our reality. Beats the heck out of being 'the victim' who must keep 'fighting external causes.' smile Actually, I think what is hardest is -- not blaming or beating up on yourself for what you might view as the stupid mistakes one's creating.
I remind myself (quite often!) what Seth and the P's say: "Divine Nonchalance" ...we just have to lighten up and be a bit more choosy about what we are giving our attention to. (Looks in the mirror) smile
Betty

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Neomatrix-- I just felt like interjecting here to say that what you wrote describes exactly what I've been feeling for a little over a year now. I'm just so tired of chasing this and that theory, here and there, only to be let down when I realize it's probably bunk. This is why I stopped visiting this forum and similar forums for several months. I enjoy reading about and discussing ideas about reality, but it's easy to become disillusioned and sometimes you just need a break from it.

One idea which I constantly try to keep at the forefront of my thoughtstream is, "Just because you believe something does not make it so." Whether what you believe is right or wrong, ultimately doesn't matter, because it doesn't change what the truth really is. Perhaps there are other dream-like realities, where what you believe really does change the environment around you, but it does not do much good in this one. To me, beliefs are an amusement for the ego to keep busy, to give you a feeling of purpose, but are not much use beyond that.

So lately, I've been sticking purely to my own personal experience, and that is it. I enjoy reading the posts here though, and I love the open-mindedness of this forum, of which I have found no rival. But these days I have become a true skeptic. I will hold off believing something until I have experienced it myself. And if it never happens, then it never happens, and I take comfort in knowing that I did not waste time chasing an illusion or a lie. I will, however, entertain every idea I come across as a possibility, no matter how absurd it may at first seem. But if I've no personal experience that tells me the idea is true, then it's best simply to shelve the idea until, perhaps later, it becomes more relevant for me.

There are feelings though, that are undeniable. I've felt the world-splitting phenomenon in my own consciousness. It feels like a part of me is dying, but something else is being born.  But I don't know what it means yet. For me this phenomenon is very real, but that also does not mean it's real for everyone. So I think it's good to share ideas, but not to proselytize. Everyone's experience is different.

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Imhotep7--yes.  Your personal vibration, frequency can be read by many people regardless of
your words or actions.  If I am feeling on top of the world the people I come in contact with
can pick up on it, even if they don't do it consciously.  And the reverse is true.  If I'm not
feeling good but I put on a good face, they'll pick up that I'm not feeling good but I'm trying
to make the best of it.  And I can read people that way too. 
The trick is to not have bad days.  I'm still working on that.

Seeker--there definitely seems to be a split going on.  The polarities are increasing.  We can
all name areas where there is a growing rift.  Pharmaceuticals vs. Natural Healing comes to
mind.  Old patterns becoming meaningless and entertainments becoming non-entertaining.
I feel this inside as well as seeing it in the outer.  I see a lot of people just going about
business as usual.  It seems very unreal to see them doing that, but they're not me.

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z3n3rg wrote:

More wars, more debt, more poverty, more suffering, more taxes, more "terrorism", more corruption, more lies, more controls, more bullshit.

Celebrate!  Valuable lessons abound for all.

Everyone that I speak to nowadays seems to be tired, disillusioned and pissed off - myself included.

Lessons are being learned.  Celebrate some more!

To quote yet _another_ line from 'The 5th Element' - "Good philosophy!! See good in bad. I like!!"  smile

XD

I am as is Void.

43 (edited by GibbleTronic 2006-03-30 10:22:51)

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Neomatrix wrote:

Greetings all,

I haven't posted here in quite a while, so I figured it was high time for me to make an appearance. This thread is of particular interest to me, because it hits on several issues that I've spent the last several months contemplating, and admittedly I'm not getting very far along with any of it. Zarg makes some interesting comments and observations, although with such arrogant assertion that I sense a belief system is being defended somewhere along the way. Still, it provides a strong catalyst for meaningful debate.

For the last several months I appear to have been suffering from a general disillusionment with any and all things "new age" and/or "woo-woo". Due to the sheer volume of information now available, both on the web and in print, it is becoming harder and harder to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were. My ability to discern fact from fiction, information from disinformation, sense from nonsense, seems to be at an all time low, resulting in such high degrees of frustration for me that I've all but lost interest in making any attempt. I seem to end up spinning my wheels for nothing, and getting caught up in endless contradictions and cross-theories. Calls to simply '"go with whatever resonates for me" are usually nothing more than a license to simply take whatever information fits best into my existing belief system, rather than an unbiased way towards the ever elusive truth. The old questions still remain, and the only thing that I know for sure is that I know bugger all.

Is this world a prison? Or is it a spiritual school? Are we being held here only by layers of well placed deception and manipulation, both on the physical and non-physical levels, or is there some purpose to our being here at this time? Is the world really controlled by reptilians from another dimension, or is this all just another smokescreen designed to steer us in the wrong direction? How much of this reality am I responsible for creating, and how much of it (if any) can I actually change? All these and more are questions that I cannot answer myself, and those that would profess to answer such questions for me I no longer trust to tell the truth (whether by willful deception or ignorant misinformation).

It seems like anyone, even somewhat intelligent folks like Zarg, can say absolutely anything these days and pass it off as the unequivocal truth without offering the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. This is most frustrating, especially for someone like myself who possesses an engineer's mind and thus demands some semblance of evidence to back up lofty claims. Let's start with sourcing our information for starters. If you think that Stuart Wilde, David Icke, or Neale Donald Walsh are not worth listening to, then at least offer some explanation as to why you think this is so. Simply stating that something is "crap" doesn't help anyone here to decide whether this is so for themselves.

Still, I sometimes feel that investing so much thought into these matters is nothing more than intellectual navel gazing. As we sit here pondering and reflecting upon these things, the world outside continues to go to hell in a handbasket. More wars, more debt, more poverty, more suffering, more taxes, more "terrorism", more corruption, more lies, more controls, more bullshit. Everyone that I speak to nowadays seems to be tired, disillusioned and pissed off - myself included. When I look towards the future I see only the inevitability of our present unsustainable society's collapse. There is so much writing on the wall I can no longer see the bricks.

And everything feels completely messed up to me right now. The things that once mattered no longer seem to hold any relevance or importance, and I'm finding it harder to motivate myself towards being even remotely sociable. I would consider the possibility that I am merely depressed, except for the fact that I am not particularly down or unhappy. But it feels now as if the world is splitting in two, and I am not entirely sure which one I am living within. A part of me is still attracted to the old ways of living and working, perhaps because it's all I've ever known in this lifetime, but the other, larger part of me finds it all quite mundane and repulsive.

Perhaps Zarg is right in some of the things he's said. Perhaps we are right now in the 4th density of conscious experience upon this planet, but are being held back by those who would maintain an illusion of 3rd density for their own selfish benefit. Perhaps that's why everything feels wrong, or feels like it's splitting in two. Perhaps we are occupying two worlds: one that is being born, and another that is dying? An interesting possibility.

That's all for now.

Hmmm...

I've always been interested in the mysteries of "Why it All Is?" and have become even more so as time has gone on, and as I move through different patterns/stages of life. I've been blessed with a lot of growth, (which I define as the length of time you revolve in where you realize that everything you know is wrong, and you need to find a new way...) and as a result, I've found that some things help in these sorts of transitions. The problem posting is that I go heavy with intuition, so most of the things I use are strictly individualized internal works, and are very difficult to translate. 

I think that it started when I began to ask "why?" I know that at a very early age that something was definitely not "right" with the world, and I seem to have been born with this silly compulsion to find out why. Somewhere along my journey, I figured out the "why" but quickly became overwhelmed, since having figured out the problem, attempting to find a solution while trapped in this form seemed unlikely. This seems to be where you're stuck right now.

To be perfectly honest, I don't read that much and I haven't read any of the authors mentioned here, and only have knowledge of the Wave, Ra, and the Casseopians from online sources, so my apologies if what I'm saying has already been said. I don't come from any particular faith/religion, (as I was raised outside of my indigenous culture) and my exposure to different faiths has been unequal, but I've always been able to discern out what I know to be true and accept it while discarding the rest. My ability to do this has improved over time, and I attempt to apply this with all things.

Critical in this is an internal establishment of enlightened principles. This is very hard to describe in concrete details, but the simple breakdown is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Conscience and compassion are also essential, but so is restraint in realizing that some situations/people just need to run their course. Time is an illusion, but energy and intent are known and quantifiable. These are things that you'll have to figure out for yourself, but remember that sometimes the best way to find the path is by accident, when all other ways have failed. Later you'll see how it wasn't really an accident, just a difference in how you saw it than before.

Each person will come to their own conclusions in time, but my own understanding is that this world could be seen as both a spiritual learning site AND a prison planet. The reality isn't as important as making it work for you is. As for the Lizzies running the show,  even if it was true (which it isn't) it would only be in a limited, transitory way. The reality is that humans already possess the tools and could free themselves right now, but we're impeaded by STS interference and internal stupidity generated in this world by the yet-untreated social diseases of greed and fear.

There are other factions out there, some of which make the Lizzies look like small fish in a BIG pond. What they don't want you to know is that each human is a divine being that exists far beyond their comprehension, and once you realize it and can assert it, there's very little they can do except weave more illusions to try and put you back to sleep.

I believe that humanity is a whole lot more than what most people give us credit for. We only believe ourselves to be weak and ineffectual, because that is how a successful tyrant stays in power. The truth is that we still possess the ability to evolve at the species level, (which is something they lack) and I think that a large part of the key is figuring out how to accomplish this. This is also why there is so much TPTB focus on the negative in media and culture. Their STS handlers realize that their version of time is running out, and are starting to run their endgame scenarios in order to pull the wheat from the chaff.

-3G

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thanks for the heads up

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'