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Abra, what I have seen would indicate that Everyone up to age 49 would be subject to the draft. With the recent concord between Canada & the US which prevents draft evasion at the border, it looks like resisters will replace the labor in Mexico lost to northward immigration, if they wish to leave. This just blows chunks. When I was drafted in the late 60's, there was the option (the most honorable one, as it turned out) to fade into the great white north as an exile. I regret that I didn't make that choice. I'm mad as hell that future draftees won't have that option. 180 degrees away, the Australian Aborigines believe that the "Dreamtime" is the real world and the waking world is the real dream. Maybe we could all arrange to meet in the Dreamtime (sometime we would (mostly) all be asleep), and report on our experiences. Maybe this Dreamtime is the real thing, the acquiescing to higher consciousness, egress to transcendence. Anybody know something?

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Abra wrote:

  Lyra--for your second response. Do you have any links you can direct me talking about this draft? What makes you feel females will be involved this time around. We had a discussion about this over at IH but everyone was certain it would be for males only...


Hi Abra,

Here are a few to start with:


http://www.bushdraft.com/proof.html

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publi … 8231.shtml

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news … 105146.php

I found these links by going to Google and typing in "reinstate draft 2005" as a search phrase.    Hope that helps...

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18 (edited by BlackBox 2004-06-26 08:58:50)

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Question:

The channeled sources that many of us active posters are fond of are, obviously including the lovely C's...they say many of us incarnated 'back' to a quantum reality (past) that we had already experienced. The purpose was that we wished to change the outcome of the following string of events, as to avoid a conclusion that (us in the future: I know time doesn't exist, but for the sake of simplicity...) leaded to a chaotic orientation.

The above isn't too clear, but I think you all understand what I mean since we've gone over it plenty of times on this forum.

So if a guy like John Titor has come from the future and entered our past, theoretically, wouldn't he be from the future that we are (now) changing? Like Future(A) was when we decided to go back to Past(A) and change it to Future(B).

So is this John Titor from Future(A)? If he is, then his predictions hold true to a set-path that is currently being dealigned from by our incarnations, our actions.

?

(Given his blueprint predictions can be useful)

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Blackbox--I cant reply as I am not as advanced in anyway of the study most of you are...but the question is interesting and I am looking forward to replies on that.

lyra wrote:
Abra wrote:

  Lyra--for your second response. Do you have any links you can direct me talking about this draft? What makes you feel females will be involved this time around. We had a discussion about this over at IH but everyone was certain it would be for males only...


Hi Abra,

Here are a few to start with:


http://www.bushdraft.com/proof.html

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publi … 8231.shtml

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news … 105146.php

I found these links by going to Google and typing in "reinstate draft 2005" as a search phrase.    Hope that helps...

this just scares me. I thought my boyfriend might be too old to be drafted but he isn't...I will be 18 next May...and I am scarred!

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Morpheus: You've never used them before.
IH
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20 (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-06-26 12:25:56)

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Anyone under 49 should NOW begin the tedious process of establishing 'conscientious objector' status, if it's still available. Do not "apply" for this at selective service. Learn how to establish yourself as a CO, and then request a change in classification from ss (see how these letters work? in naziland, the ss was big and in bushland, for which naziland was a dry run, ss will reassume its prominence). Get legal assistance--any lawyers here?--if you need it, and do this now. When your government calls you to go, DON'T GO! If you have legal status as a CO, it might be easier than trying to get out of the country. It would be better to be a criminal on the run and living underground than to die for the greedheads.

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And this posted by montalk on the Geez Oh Pete thread:

http://www.etherzone.com/2004/henr051204.shtml

"The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1865, says; "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

The key phrase here is "involuntary servitude" and it's servitude that is expected of every member of the Armed Forces.

Having been forced to register for the draft at age eighteen, and once having passed the physical examination and classification, an inductee may receive notice to report for duty at such and such facility. At that time, he or she will be asked to take an oath. This oath is as follows:

"I (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God."

Notice that this oath does not make a distinction between commissioned and non-commissioned "officers."

This oath is usually preceded by a firm request to step forward. To take one step beyond a line or simply one step forward depending on how many inductees are being sworn in and the size of the room or field. This "step forward" is crucial for one reason and one reason only – it supposedly makes the oath and induction voluntary in accordance with the Thirteenth Amendment above. "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude ... shall exist within the United States ..." Anyone who steps forward as well as anyone who signs up with an Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or Army Reserve recruiter is a volunteer.

If you do not step forward to take the oath, even though you may follow other directions and repeat the words, you have not "volunteered" and will be asked to remain behind while the volunteers, those who took the step forward, go off to take up their new military lives.

Theoretically, you could go home now although you are bound to be told that they are not done with you yet. And, hopefully, you have not yet signed anything even to indicate your presence.

Once everyone else is gone, you will be subjected to all sorts of pressure. This can range from someone shouting "what's wrong with you, can't you hear" to being called a traitor, heavier intimidation and possible physical abuse. But they can't hold you forever and everyone goes home at the end of the day, including those who did not volunteer.

Remember, you do not have to be a conscientious objector or offer any explanation for your actions or inactions. You might even follow their lead and give nothing more than your name, rank as a citizen, and Social Security number.

During the Viet Nam conflict, Cassius Clay (Muhammed Ali) refused to step forward and was sent home. Of course, you may not have the will, physical presence, and countenance of Muhammed or be able to "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee," but you do have the same constitutional rights as long as you are an American civilian and wish to remain so."
(edited for brevity)

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humm...so you are saying I DONT have to be involved in the draft according to the thirteenth ammendment, and then some. Very very interesting. But they still try intimidation...in which I give into very very easily. About eing a hidee, what do they do, come to your door and force you to go? I guess I dont understand how a draft works very well, or do they send a piece of paper making you sign...

I have not signed anything but did make the mistake nearly a year ago of filling out a "send more information" sheet from the Army, but dont remember actually signing anything.

do people on disability have to go on in a draft?
Im not disabled but Im pretty sure if it came down to it I could make myself be...temporarily.

Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: You've never used them before.
IH
Feather N Fur

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Im sorry, again I am new...can you explain/possibly share links of this "CO" you speak of?

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Morpheus: You've never used them before.
IH
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Abra wrote:

Im not disabled but Im pretty sure if it came down to it I could make myself be...temporarily.

haha http://www.osasleuths.org/Main/images/qshoutblock/laugh.gif

25 (edited by seeker 2004-06-26 17:43:12)

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John Titor hmmm.... smile

I just finished reading over the John Titor posts for the third time and though I'm not sure, my gut feeling is that it's actually true. I don't know why but when I read the material he wrote I just get a very wierd intuitive feeling. I definitely believe that "time travel" will be invented in the next couple centuries on some timeline here on Earth, but my belief has nothing to do with the validity of this story, sooo... we can only guess and see how his predictions play out...

ANYWAY I noticed Abovetopsecret.com has just finished compiling a section on John Titor which seems to have more of his posts than johntitor.com does. It's at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/the … oject.html if you're interested.

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Intimidation is the name of the game in the states. This is why the majority if not all americas suffer from deep seeded psychological abuse, except for those in tight family/religious/organizational structors who follow all the prcepts by choice (which there are some, though most ofthose I've met also have symptoms of psychological abuse if you ask a proffesional when said people aren't around)

The idea here is that because this is a 'free country' this is why so much propoganda and computer security became big here. The idea is because you can't force anyone to do anything they don't want to, you have to steadily convince the population of said country that nother ever changes, ie, that this world/country/history is nothing but a vicious cycle that will continue ad infinitum. Thus they can continue to raise threats which most of the rest of the world has long left behind as being childish and unrealisitc, even at times of war. (Remember, most of the rest of the world has experienced war on it's own territory in the last few years.. there are some that say this has happened here as well but has always been covered up as being 'terrorist' actions, because even the supposed 'powers that be' need a cash crop to run thier machines of greed and violence which shouln't be tampered with)

This is all speculation of course.

In the following article, one can find a series of very simple reasons for a lot of this rhetoric surrounding the war on terror and why it's happening the way it has:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

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JTarchive wrote:

Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiple and divide in the heads.

Sounds like Future(A).

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Well, have been busy with animal being concerns so only ck in occasionally...but as always missing the group.  Had not heard of Titor, and read the first link just a few moments ago...will ck out the other later.  Some of the info caused my stomach to churn...and can feel fear stirring.  So have to ask myself, is this because of things to come or like lyra said, to test the waters.  I do know that when I read the wave it rang true at a very deep level of being...and follow up experiences...and do not see mention of that, so far, in tiltor's post...

so, time honored question...fact or fiction to keep everyone sufficiently focused on what they think is happening so they don't see what is happening...Bay of Fuego, where the natives at first could not see the ships because they had never seen ships until the tribe shaman showed them how.  I look at all the intensifying in intricacy of crop circles, so many signs from all over, and cannot somehow think there are bigger irons in the fire.  That something is coming to be sure...and civil unrest at the reinstitution of the draft...absolutely.  Got an email about Bush being set up for a coup by the cia before republican convention...instead of after election...lots of things to watch.  With any information that so easily reaches me always to ask, is it real or is it memorex...and how will I know unless I hone my ability to feel my way through the matrix of info that is coming from all sides...I say feel, because the kinetic impressions I get are by and far the most accurate to date.  With my intellect, hopefully higher, but surely lower interpretations also, I think an issue to depletion...think think think.  And then with gut feelings; which are accurate ? and which are fear stimulated by a carefully constructed control system that triggers unconscious softs that make me think I am having a gut reaction, an intuit.  I would have to say that for me personally, for all I have read, heard, assimilated, have never been more aware of what I don't know...a ground zero feeling...so asking for assistance from unseen friends, and calling upon own center of being that already knows, to assist in finding the clues that will direct me to less of a guess-a-mation and more of a knowing.  Really can't imagine I would volunteer for this time and place without a safety net, felt that from early childhood...simply would not be practical.  Enough experiences, brief, of expanded knowing, to know that that vantage point is not only possible, but the reality.  My present quest is how to rebalance the frequency to align with that expanded knowing.  Akin it to tuning a musical instrument.  Have been researching those playing in that field at present.

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

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Regarding John Titor and Andrew Carlssin (the wall street guy), has anyone on this post received email from either a 'jimi2styx' or a 'MM2@MI' with information on these guys? I'm just curious if it's someone on this forum or...?

30 (edited by king_vima 2004-07-02 11:42:44)

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As always this board has amazed me. I have never heard of John Titor before and last week i stumbled upon his site and began reading through his posts on the Johntitor.com website. I've been discussing John's posts with a few friends that i got to read about John Titor also. I haven't been to this site in about two weeks and one of the first things i see is a thread titled John Titor. I wanted to share my thoughts about John titor and i'm pasting an email i sent to a friend.


Email Starts:
I was thinking about the order of worldlines and the paradigm set in motion by John's comments. Picture a sphere from which a seemingly infinite numbers of possible worldlines co-existing simultaneously extend out to the very brink of space/time. Each one of these worldlines is physically connected to the creation of time (represented by the sphere). Now suppose we accept that John is indeed a time-traveler and has in fact traveled to 2000, the mere fact that he has returned to that time on that worldline from a completely different time and worldline implies that a new worldline which had never existed before his trip, is now created by his trip.

I see two palpable possibilities in the creation of this new worldline. The first being that a new worldline is immediately manifested and directly connected to the sphere which is identical to the originating worldline up until the point where John appears. From that point a new worldline was created by the mere fact that he interacted with people on that worldline and has the effect of possibly changing not only the decisions one might make after accepting the information John provides, but could also re-shape and re-create the thought processes of any person with whom he comes in contact with.

The other possibility in the creation of this new worldline is that it branched off of the originating worldline with no real connection to the sphere. In a sense the newly created worldline lacks a true beginning of it's own but shares the history of the originating worldline before the split caused by John's interaction with people.

As I pondered these ideas I began to realize that a finite number of people read his postings and that because, in theory, his interactions on our worldline were never ordained by the divine Oneness, each and every single person who's future decisions and currently accepted beliefs have been altered, a new Worldline is created for that person.  Thus many, many branches split off with each branch adjoined at the nexus point created the moment John arrived. Or more specifically the moment any person accepted his information or was otherwise in anyway affected by his information. If his posting are read 4 years after he's gone, then a new worldline is branched to the originating worldline at that conjuncture.

Also (as if the email wasn't long enough already), Considering that their are an uncountable number of worldlines, and worldlines that exist 'next' to each other are nearly identical with just a few negligible differences, then in theory, a nearly infinite numbers of worldlines create and use the time machine at the same moment and for the same reasons as the worldline(s) that we have been directly discussing.  And as the divergence increases and worldlines begin to differ dramatically, you can expect that on some worldlines the reality of time travel is not realized until farther down the road, or in some cases were discovered and utilized before 2036. And each of these worldlines affects alternate worldlines by time travel which effectively creates more worldlines. And although I may have inadvertently been thrust into a new worldline by interacting with John, you can also summarize that on my 'new' worldline, the idea of time travel and the discovery of time travel probably won't change as not every person on my 'new' worldline was affected in their thinking or future decisions. Which means that my originating worldline as well as my 'new' worldline will both create a time machine and send a 'John' back onto another worldline for the same mission or nearly the same mission.

Perhaps, though, that this is the true definition if infinity and everything possible including time travel has been ordained by the law of the Universe and everything is as it should be. Perhaps not. It really depends on how much 'free will' we truly have to create, abandon, or alter any pre-determined 'destiny' that may have been conceived for  us.

Roger Penrose developed a space/time diagram that describes a Mobius-type loop through charged and rotating singularities and the possibility of multiple worldlines. I believe the Penrose Diagram also illustrates what John Titor spoke on, in that most physicists of his time believe that all worldlines eventually come to an end, and once the end of all worldlines is played out, the collective conscience of each sovereign entity will come before the Oneness and will be forced to make a choice that you were not prepared for, before they can return to the infinite God source.

So what would be the consequence of free will creating a time machine that begins a never ending process of time travelers creating new worldlines that have no true connection to the sphere of creation? Would we or Have we isolated ourselves from ever returning to the God source?  I sure hope not.
Email Ends

any thoughts? (or was it just too long to read)? :-)