Timeline Jumping or Manipulation? (Page 4 of 6)

PJ:  very interesting. I'm gonna try it tomorrow...

Thanks

It will be great, I still do not have a “clear view" of this
wanderer stuff.

Pamelajean I had this height difference a few times
in 2005, I never measure it because I thought that was just
a feeling not a physical thing, if it happens again I will mark
some points on the wall...

What if, as noted here:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2139

The Ancient Past AND the Ancient Future are “collapsing" back into the Unity from which they Emerged into this Set, but Synergizing into Something Greater via the Experience and Wisdom gained - Picture water going down a drain: Both “sides" (polarities) Simultaneously Merging and moving toward Something Brand New in a Spiraling, Converging fashion.......

Dimensions, Densities, Timelines, what have you, are States of Awareness Relative to the Assemblage Point.

As a Transducer, YOUR Experience, even on only a linear level, can be pretty flippin’ schizoid !!!

Myriad “Friends" suggest the easiest, healthiest, most beneficial way to handle this is, to the best of OUR Ability, RELAX and go with the “Flow".......

So one moment YOU’re Anakin, and the next, Darth - From the Center [The Enacting Force which is In-Between], with the polarities now So Close, the War ENDS - YOU began to Re-Member

In The Light:

Who YOU Really Are.

Well this is bugging me now. Regarding Arthur C. Clark. I do not remember him dying/dead. I do remember him alive and the Sri Lanka mention regarding his place and the big tsunami... I don't have any memory of him being dead. So I guess, welcome to the lighter timeline all you new folks. Heh heh. Try the sesame kale salad. It's delicous...

On the diet aspect I've been vegetarian and vegan for years. Lately the struggle has been moving to a raw food vegan diet which has not been working out as well yet. I've gone a couple months tops, but usually 1-3 days raw. I haven't noticed any major changes in people around me. I haven't been getting deja vu lately, but I did much in 05. I made a major move physically in January, about 1000 miles and back into the house I was in 4 years ago. I'm not to worried about the future now. I've seen so many predictions of terrible disasters and negative things that always fail to manifest. And in my personal life it seems like the hints in the future may be some major positive advancements, and least there is a lot of potential to explore. It seems like there's a mountain of work, and the potentials to continue learning and working on myself seem endless. I suppose there's still a lot of work to be done.

[At last Ferit reads all the magnificent posts in the thread. Nearly nothing else to add..]

Me and others have already mentioned the importance of diet/what we eat several times before on the forum. But I've never connected it to timeline changes - but from the posts I've read this comes very possible and very logical. Eating may even be a sign of how heavy/light one's timeline is. In fact I'm planning to write an article on dynamics of hunger & satiation from spiritual view for some time but could not ever find enough time for it.

Sinaptix, I'm thinking of vegan diet too. I'm a pescetarian now (only fish as animal source) but eating vegan is calling me now. Had several vegan friends in the past and when you're vegan you have to keep your awareness high to see what you're eating. Exclude all animal source and diary products is a challenge if you eat outside - fast lunchs, business dinners, nearly no breakfast. Maybe the following "pact" I recently found on the net is right:

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/reptilian_pact.htm

This also is a summary of lizzie activities here on earth, so it's connected to our thread on Zarg's explanations of earth quarantine. We really seem infected. I'm thinking of Tom's list on "High Level M-Band Noise: The Pressure" thread. It's a good list to dis-infect.

Well, OK I guess we’re getting closer to the point where I tell you how it is that I know what I know. I have resisted this as I (1) don’t want to be ‘dissed’, and (2) I have not wanted to prejudice your accepting/rejecting whatever I post. As Pictus said it would be interesting to see a post on Walk-ins and Wanderers. Then you’re going to wonder how I know about that…

I understand Lyra’s point:  you don't want to make the mistake of saying you know how things are 100% for certain, and confidentally dismiss this, or confidentally support that, solely based on your own experiences, and word it in such a way as to be saying that this is what it is...for everybody, because you say so, or "know" so.

Let me ask you a question: What does one do when s/he DOES know? Sit on it? Share it? And what if that person has not published a book , nor do they have a PhD after their name… would that be different if I had either of those? Would that signify competency, expertise, or credibility?  I understand the desire for references, but if I quote someone else or send you to a website – am I not parroting what someone else said? And where did they get their info from? How can you know they are correct?

Perhaps the need is for new information… perhaps the need is for information that is true, does not copy and is not disinformation… If it does not exist in a book, or on some website, how can I give you a reference? And having stated the info,  how can you know if it is true or not?

Just because I give you a reference to another source, does not make that source any more true than if I alone said it for the first time. You have to have another way to ‘know’.

That has been one of my sad observations of any forum – people love to gab about what has caught their fancy –be it movies, soulmates, dreams, or astrology…. and those threads are alive and well too on this forum. What I was hoping was that some of you had another way to ‘know’… an internal form of discernment.

I have wrestled with the issue of sounding didactic… which is not my desire.

And by the way, the Bigfoot and Loch Ness issues answer themselves: What would have to be true for these creatures to be able to disappear and no one can find where they 'live' – except when they choose to appear? (John Keel answers this issue in his book Mysterious Beings, chapter 24.)

I say that to point out that some people, some very nice, warm, loving people, bless them all, do not want Answers. They want the Quest – that gives their life meaning, something to do on a rainy day, as it were. The problem with being in a Forum is that we are not face-to-face and except for some very perceptive people, you cannot see body language, read auras, or sense energy to help you figure out if what is being said is true or not.  And again, with some people that is not the issue. The reason they love the Quest is they can keep the game going indefinitely – and in some ways, “not knowing" is a high state... you risk finding the answer.

The problem for the Questors is the Answer: when it is given, or personally discovered, it ends that game thread. And it may demand action – if one has integrity, some proactive response may be ‘required’ – case in point: when you find out what’s really going on on planet earth, you have a serious choice: help out or sit in denial. If you choose the latter, the game can start again… addictive like a drug, and then you don’t have to help “save the planet" and no can blame YOU when it is taken over (IF it is taken over) – you didn’t know/believe. A safe position… like those in a prison.

I know that what I say often meets with resistance and denial. Is that any less reason to not put the information out there?  “Yes, but you’re saying it IS the truth."   Yes, sometimes. Sometimes I am testing the waters – like with the Quarantine of earth. No one questioned that one either, and as I said in another post, if I do that, I’ll correct it after a bit. I was encouraged when Lyra questioned the Quarantine info but didn’t say anything that led me to think she might really know something about it… so I gave partial info to ‘force the issue.’ It didn’t work. Sorry.

What I was testing was your (anyone’s) ability  to sense the difference in ‘tone’ between sections of my post… I thought that by the time you got to the Quarantine part, something would ring a little ‘off’ from the rest of my post(s)… but it is easier to dismiss and assume that someone else may know and you don’t. Dangerous. Don't give your power away.

The Quarantine is one that keeps earth people on the planet. There is no military invasion. Pure and simple. There are many visitors who come here from all around the Galaxy. To observe, learn and some contest with each other for the ‘rights’ to this planet’s resources… if the natives can be dumbed down and kept unaware, the resources are free for the taking. And it is even more justifiable if the natives abuse their resources.. should not a more advanced society have rights to what they (the visitors) can use properly? Was that not done to the Indians in the West of the US?

I digress, but this is important, and I am glad Lyra said something. I am not a master, nor a final word on anything – but I have read others whose posts are as ‘definite’ as mine are. I suppose it is OK in the area of Reiki, nutrition, and quantifiable items,  but in the areas of timelines, metaphysics and UFOs and such it rankles some people – for reasons stated above.

But what if someone really does know? What if it IS important to share that info? What if that person is not from here and has known it for some time?  What if this planet is made to function on a level of mediocrity and ignorance that is pathetic and denies man his birthright in the Galaxy? What does one do when it becomes increasingly clear that the natives don’t want to wake up, and do not have the inner sight to give them discernment? What if they were dumbed down too far (by off-planet standards)? What if just talking about relevant concepts is enough for them? What if woo-woo is more exciting than answers?

What if the answers are negative?

What if I am not playing a game and really do know? What if you wake up and see the same truth? What if someone cares and wants to cut thru the deception and disinformation, but to do so steps on some people’s favorite authors, concepts, or channeled info? What if things are obvious to me? (How I got there is another subject.)

So the parting shot was:  Nobody likes to just be told how things are, without any supporting evidence or information.   I know that for myself, I like to be able to compare, analyze and ultimately, think for myself.   Life's more fun that way.   Don't spoon feed me.

By the time there is enough evidence to convince people, it will be too late. Not melodrama. Comparing and analyzing is great if one has the time… and if one does not have their thinking manipulated to the wrong conclusions!  Sometimes one has to take a leap of faith, go with what their gut tells them, and act.  Risky. No guarantees. Not always 'fun'.

So there are choices. Not telling anybody what to do, but THE choice should be obvious. You either continue having ‘fun’ on the Quest, OR you decide that you want answers to do something about the problems, OR this place is rough (and getting rougher), and you want out. It is not either – or. And there are other options: knock the chessboard over, go be a nurse and forget the whole issue, OR wait for the Wave (do you know that there is one?).

If you stay on planet earth, you have two choices: fight to fix what’s wrong (and it will be a fight, I promise you), OR  improve yourself and move to another timeline. 

If you’re after ‘fun’ you’re ultimately on the wrong planet -- the next 10 years will not be fun. If you’re a spiritual warrior who cares about resisting deception and oppression, you’re in the right place – but you need to know what you’re fighting. It is to that end that my posts have been directed. With all integrity, I will not post any more ‘tests’ or red herrings.

Thanks for confronting the issue.

Namaste.

In holding back sources and how you came to your conclusions, it creates the very situation you were trying to avoid.  It makes a self-fulfilling prophesy you could say.

But see, you're deciding for us then.  People are ultimately responsible for their own prejudices.   That's their choice to be prejudiced by your source/info.   Just put it out there.  Let people make up their own minds, nay or yay.   All anybody can do is share what they know and put it out there for consideration. 

What I'm picking out is that the problem lies not so much with what people's reactions will be, but rather, your own fear of those possible reactions.   But this is Noble Realms.  We talk about some REALLY far out topics here.  I'm not sure what you may be afraid of.   You're writing anonymously anyway.  It's not like we know who you are...right?   Just think of it that way.  And if you're not comfortable with revealing how you know what you know about walk-ins and wanderers, then present the information as "possibilities" perhaps, rather than concrete "I know this" and "I know that"...but without the supporting evidence.  There are lots of ways to tackle a subject, just pick what works for you.

It's entirely up the person, whatever they feel guided to do.  What are you guided to do?

I wrote an article on my website, entitled "Sickness...It's all in the head."   And straight off the bat I addressed the fact that I don't have a degree, nor any formal medical training....but that's not going to stop me from sharing what I know.....and I know it from personal experience.   If anything, the lack of degree means I've been freed from conventional ways of thinking and mainstream academia.  It's probably a blessing, more than a curse.     So I share what I know.....but explain how I know it.  I share my personal anecdotes.   So yeah, sure, I don't have a degree.....but at least people can respect the fact that I have my reasons for what I believe.   They may not agree with me....but they at least understand how I came to my conclusions.

Indeed.....truthfully, I might question somebody who only believes something because they've read it from somebody else.   But I would then click on the link or book that is being referred....and I would ultimately make up my own mind whether to believe it/pursue it...or drop it.   It's all about allowing the reader to ultimately, make up their own mind.  Just share what you know, what you're interested in, what resonates with you...and allow people to pursue it if they will.

You can't.  But each person has to decide for themselves, in their own way, for their own reasons.  Nothing wrong with that.

This is now the third time you've mentioned this since joining the forum.   It seems to really bother you that these topics would exist here.   Also, I suspect that you came here already bracing yourself, already expecting stuff like this, already had your mind made up based on negative experiences at other forums...........already creating self-fulfilling prophesies.    So, these topics are discussed at Noble Realms...............so what?   We talk more about reality-bending woo-woo shit then we do about "astrology" or "soul mates."    Soul mates is NOT the happening topic on this forum.   I know you perceive that it is, but trust me, it's not. 

When you go to a forum, just see what's there.  Not what you expect to see.   You came in and immediately honed in on the movies thread...................................but did you bother to actually read what was being discussed in the movies thread?    Yeah.....movies with meaningful symbolism and revelatory truths about this reality.   We're not discussing "The Hot Chick", or "Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigalo" or "Dude, Where's My Car?"   At this point, it's more or less your problem, not Noble Realms', that topics such as movies and soul mates are being discussed.  You've tried three times now to subtly put us down for it.   Well I for one make no apologies.   And I'm sure others don't as well.   

We do.........................but you've obviously missed the point here.  If you're going to definitively claim that something is true, or something is false, or this person "has it right" or this person "has it wrong"....then tell us how you got to that conclusion.   Whether it's because you personally know them, your intuition told you, you had a dream, it's from personal experience, or WHATEVER......just say it.   We can respect it, whatever it is, but just say how you got there.  Is that so hard to do? 

Why would the entities I wrestled with back in my "apartment from hell" in 2001 just appear and disappear at will, leaving me unable to find where they "live"?   Does that make them not real?   Holographic projections?   Or does it mean I just can't access where they live??   

You make definitive claims, but don't offer any support for where/how you came up with such definitiveness, then claim that oh, obviously we don't want answers.....we'd rather have the eternal quest.   

Is that it?  Or is that what you want to believe?   Is this a convenient way out, an excuse to not have to share how you know what you know?   Just an idea.  Some people see what they want to see.  I think this may be the case with you.

Again, you've completely missed the point, or are artfully dodging it.   It's hard to tell.  Put the information out there, by all means.  This is Noble Realms, after all.   Just say how you got it.  Dreams.  Intuition.  Personal contact.  Personal experience.  WHATEVER it may be.  And allow people to make up their own minds, respect that we can make up our own minds.  If they believe you, hey, great.  If not.....hey, great.   I think you care to much about people rejecting what you have to say, you seem fearful of the (possible) reactions, and so therefore, have created a self-fulfilling prophesy by purposely being evasive and not providing back up support. 

Game playing is NEVER a good thing.    I can't respect that.   This is the second time you've mentioned giving the forum "tests."   How about just being straight forward, honest, and to the point?  How about dropping the games and artful dodging and "tests" ?   Just a thought.  By admitting that you're playing games - in the previous example, you admitted that you purposely put wrong information out there to see who, if anybody, would call you on it - you're again, creating a self-fulfilling prophesy.   People will pull back from you, become leery of you, not trust you anymore, then you get to walk off to the next forum, making claims about the treatment you received at NR....but failing to mention that you created the situation in the first place.   !!!! 

Also, not sure what you're talking about with the "don't give your power away."   Nobody here is giving their power away.  You're seeing what you want to see, based on your pre-conceived notions and ideas.  It has shades of wanting to sound like The Insider (whom you've mentioned several times since arriving) written all over it.

At this point, I'm going to quietly slip out the side door.   Openly admitting to game playing does not rub me the right way, I can't respect it.  I prefer honest, straight forward people who are interested in sharing info and experiences and comparing notes.  I'm not interested in being "tested."  That's BS.  In my opinion.  It's too bad too, because you do have interesting, thought-provoking things to talk about, and people are willing to listen, and want to respond, as evidenced by this thread - but then there's this self-sabotage thing going on, with the trickery, "testing" and deceit.  I mean, there's just no need.   It ruins good discussions.