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Topic: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

The following is from Renegades of Funk by Rage against the Machine.  I was listening to it today and I was like holy crap, this could be directly out of Bringers of Dawn. "Except for destroy all nations"  Anyways couldn't ignore the similarity.

I couldn't figure out how to bold it so I excerpted the important below. 

"From a different solar system many many galaxies away
We are the force of another creation
A new musical revelation
And we're on this musical mission to help the others listen
And groove from land to land singin' electronic chants like
Zulu nation
Revelations
Destroy our nations"

WHOLE SONG:


RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE LYRICS

"Renegades Of Funk"

No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now
No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now

We're the renegades of this atomic age
This atomic age of renegades
Renegades of this atomic age
This atomic age of renegades

Since the Prehistoric ages and the days of ancient Greece
Right down through the Middle Ages
Planet earth kept going through changes
And then no renaissance came, and times continued to change
Nothing stayed the same, but there were always renegades
Like Chief Sitting Bull, Tom Paine
Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X
They were renegades of their time and age
So many renegades

We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk

From a different solar system many many galaxies away
We are the force of another creation
A new musical revelation
And we're on this musical mission to help the others listen
And groove from land to land singin' electronic chants like
Zulu nation
Revelations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations

Now renegades are the people with their own philosophies
They change the course of history
Everyday people like you and me
We're the renegades we're the people
With our own philosophies
We change the course of history
Everyday people like you and me
C'mon
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk

Poppin', sockin', rockin' puttin' a side of hip-hop
Because where we're goin' there ain't no stoppin'
Poppin', sockin', puttin' a side of hip-hop
Because where we're goin' there ain't no stoppin'
Poppin', sockin', rockin' puttin' a side of hip-hop
'Cause we're poppin', sockin', rockin' puttin' a side of hip-hop
Poppin', sockin', rockin' puttin' a side of hip-hop

We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk
We're the renegades of funk

We're teachers of the funk
And not of empty popping
We're blessed with the force and the sight of electronics
With the bass, and the treble the horns and our vocals
'Cause everytime I pop into the beat we get fresh

There was a time when our music
Was something called the Bay Street beat
People would gather from all around
To get down to the big sound
You had to be a renegade in those days
To take a man to the dance floor

Say jam sucker
Say jam sucker
Say groove sucker
Say groove sucker
Say dance sucker
Say dance sucker
Now move sucker
Now move sucker
[x2]

We're the renegades of funk

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

2 Reply by Xenopope (edited by Xenopope 2006-02-13 23:14:04)

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Cap your post has proven a bit of a _double_ syncronicity for me in that there are TWO things mentioned in the lyrics of that song that sync with me in significant ways. The second I can't really explain unless I decide to break down and post the new thread I've been wanting to post for about a month now - I might do that this week. But it has to do with the whole idea of "us" (humanity) being renegades in the sense that we came here from somewhere 'beyond' and are now acting in a 'renegade' fashion in that we are changing this world for the better. The first sync would be from the lyrics "we are the force of an_other_ creation" {my emphasis} Other than what? Well of course the assumption would be that we are other than the dark forces that are controlling this world but taken to a higher level it could parallel info that was posted by (yes, I'm bringing it up again) troydungeon about 'darkness' being the creator of this universe and that we are creations of another creator who lives (somehow) 'outside' of this universe (for lack of a better description). This is actually the first thing I thought of when I read that - probably because it was worded 'another _CREATION_' . . . I never thought de la Rocha to be of an awareness on such a level but the general nature of his band's message would at least point in the direction of a level of awareness somewhere in that vicinity . . .

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

This is a cover song. "Renegades of Funk" was originally produced by Afrika Bambaataa in 1983. Afrika Bambaataa's group of likeminded artists is called the Zulu Nation. It's a quasi-religious organization rife with new-age, UFO, Tibetan, and Egyptian references.

I used to think Afrika Bambaataa was a neat guy until I saw a BBC documentary from the 1980's. It featured a music video of his where he made the "devil horns" sign a number of times. I thought this was very odd. I also became suspicious of the lyrical content of the music, because of references to Shamballa and Agharta, which I recognized as Nazi occult obsessions. (Even in their Tibetan Buddhist incarnation these occult beliefs are tied into some dark stuff, which was touched on a bit in this thread here on NR.)

I've read that The Grateful Dead was supported by the CIA, because the docile music and atmosphere was useful for intercepting potential politically active people and turning them into harmless acid-heads. (Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter was known to have taken part in MK ULTRA experiments, and there are many more connections to be found if you do the research.) This got me to wondering about Afrika Bambaataa, whose music and organization had a similar effect on black youth, making them more docile. Afrika Bambaataa turned violent street gangs into singing, dancing, music producing crews who "battled" each other using art. This sounds pretty good on the surface. But it could also have been part of a CIA operation to neutralize competition on the drug market and/or keep black youths from forming political organizations. The belief system of the Zulu Nation is very woo-woo, pretty much precluding serious political action.

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Xenopope:  Thats exactly what I was thinking when I heard the song, or at least let the lyrics sink in.

Czyx:  Thanks for the info, I never would have known.  Seems like there is a conspiracy of some sorts around every corner smile

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost
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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

This post shouldn't have been under humor and fun.  Anyway, I guess one thing I was thinking about that Xenopope kinda mentioned about us being Renegades which is what I was thinking.  I was told by a clairvoyant that I came to this particular planet for some reason at this time.  I have been recently trying to undo all  of the negative programing that has shut me down.  It has basically turned me into an emotionless zombie.  So I have been trying to tear down the wall so to speak.  I am starting to remember why I put up the wall to begin with.  I am a maniac.  Obsesed with chaos.  Which brings me to exactly why Renegades of Funk clicked with me.  First it mentions being a "From a different solar system many galaxies away"  then to "destroy all nations".   

Now what tears me up is most of the people are saying that those of light need to act with peace and love and light.... to bring about this change.   But thats not me, so what gives????  Is my destructive inclination due to a mind programmed self destruct sequence, or am I really here to mix things up a bit so to speak.  I have been wanting to pose this question for a while, but I didn't because I was sure it would pin a flag on me as a terrorist in some NSA database.  Screw it.   

Also I'm pretty sure I'm not here to represent the STS's fellas, becasue I abhor their system.  Every day I spend in a cubicle is another day I feel like my esence is rotting away.   

We're the renegades of funk!

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost
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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Read about Shiva the destroyer.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

7 Reply by Capitan (edited by Capitan 2006-02-16 15:26:40)

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Thats funny because I read a quote by I believe oppenhemier upon witnessing the atomic bomb go off that he created, and he said " Now I am become shiva, destroyer of worlds and I thought" and it popped into my head.  I am shiva.  This was long ago before I began getting into this what is reality stuff. It is all so confusing to me.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost
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Wow talk about synchs.
Just the other day was my first time listenign to RATM outside of The Matrix soundtrack.
And I DL this song and listened to it and liked it.
The other good song is Wake Up.
This is just another point telling me that thinking about this subject isn't from myslef. Like certain peopel are programmed to think these things. And here i guess is the proof.

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

If RATM had such a positive message and/or were on the "good side" for lack of a better phrase, why were they allowed to become as popular as they did?  False rebellion?

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

czyx wrote:

This is a cover song. "Renegades of Funk" was originally produced by Afrika Bambaataa in 1983. Afrika Bambaataa's group of likeminded artists is called the Zulu Nation. It's a quasi-religious organization rife with new-age, UFO, Tibetan, and Egyptian references.

I used to think Afrika Bambaataa was a neat guy until I saw a BBC documentary from the 1980's. It featured a music video of his where he made the "devil horns" sign a number of times. I thought this was very odd. I also became suspicious of the lyrical content of the music, because of references to Shamballa and Agharta, which I recognized as Nazi occult obsessions. (Even in their Tibetan Buddhist incarnation these occult beliefs are tied into some dark stuff, which was touched on a bit in this thread here on NR.)

I've read that The Grateful Dead was supported by the CIA, because the docile music and atmosphere was useful for intercepting potential politically active people and turning them into harmless acid-heads. (Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter was known to have taken part in MK ULTRA experiments, and there are many more connections to be found if you do the research.) This got me to wondering about Afrika Bambaataa, whose music and organization had a similar effect on black youth, making them more docile. Afrika Bambaataa turned violent street gangs into singing, dancing, music producing crews who "battled" each other using art. This sounds pretty good on the surface. But it could also have been part of a CIA operation to neutralize competition on the drug market and/or keep black youths from forming political organizations. The belief system of the Zulu Nation is very woo-woo, pretty much precluding serious political action.

CZYX : what do you know of the Zulu nation???
by virtue of your comment,evidently not very much.
Come here CZYX,come here down to Africa and lets teach you just abit about YOUR roots,my good man.You are an AfriCAN my friend.You come from here....whether you're a white brother or a black one,YOU come from the CRADLE OF HUMANKIND.That is here,my home.Africa.The Zulu's were one of the only races to give the British a serious hiding back in the day my friend.
They are a NOBLE nation.
Have respect.
RATM are drawing from the obvious my good mate.
Have respect.

Accoss the divide.
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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Holotropic, I believe CZYX was talking about a group of Rappers/Artists from the 80's that refered to themselves as the Zulu nation.  I am assuming they were all Americans.  I don't believe there was any negative connotations meant towards the Zulu nation of africa.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

12 Reply by belljar (edited by belljar 2007-04-20 13:17:39)

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Re: Is Zack de La Roca a wanderer?

Capitan, darkness is not going to be threatened by love and light grossed out maybe but it's laughable to them I think. So you know some STO may have to 'bring it' to change things. As long as you don't turn into them I don't think there's a problem with it. This place is so shut down that daily life in it is a soul killer you have to be very proactive to find something creative and uplifting.

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thoughtcrime wrote:

If RATM had such a positive message and/or were on the "good side" for lack of a better phrase, why were they allowed to become as popular as they did?  False rebellion?

Well, they are no longer together. Also I think sometimes the good side is allowed a moment in the sun. But, they never really change anything in the long term and they eventually fall apart. So, it's a way for darkness to test its strength and come out the victor. Not that it always will maybe the other side is having to change its tactics. Those of the darkness or STS are very smart they know way more. The light or STO seem to be more intuitive and feeling and not exact on what to do. I personally would like to go beyond duality and be more than light vs dark but at the moment all that is seems like it likes the conflict perhaps that's how it gets the energy to exist and keep expanding in the void.