Topic: How to build your own AntiGravity floater - With videos

Very Interesting....

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/howto.htm

Re: How to build your own AntiGravity floater - With videos

That's cool stuff. My younger brother made a lifter for his science fair project a couple years ago and used an opened computer monitor to power it. These lifters operate at < 30 kiloVolts.

If you build or buy a power supply > 100 kV then you can tap into the biefeld-brown effect and get real antigravity. There's debate about whether lifters really employ antigravity or something closer to ion wind or nitrogen ion drift. I wrote a commentary on this here.

The biefeld-brown effect shows that high voltage capacitors, paralle plate or asymmetric, acclerate towards the positive pole when charged between 100kV and 250kV. Lifters, on the other hand, move towards the thin wire electrode regardless whether it is positive or negative, therefore it is more likely some ion drift phenomenon than the biefeld-brown effect due to it not depending on polarity. The biefeld-brown effect should be present in a small amount, but at 30kV it would be miniscule.

One example demonstrating something close to the real deal:
http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/english.htm
(text, pictures, and video)

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Re: How to build your own AntiGravity floater - With videos

montalk wrote:

That's cool stuff. My younger brother made a lifter for his science fair project a couple years ago and used an opened computer monitor to power it. These lifters operate at < 30 kiloVolts.

If you build or buy a power supply > 100 kV then you can tap into the biefeld-brown effect and get real antigravity. There's debate about whether lifters really employ antigravity or something closer to ion wind or nitrogen ion drift. I wrote a commentary on this here.

The biefeld-brown effect shows that high voltage capacitors, paralle plate or asymmetric, acclerate towards the positive pole when charged between 100kV and 250kV. Lifters, on the other hand, move towards the thin wire electrode regardless whether it is positive or negative, therefore it is more likely some ion drift phenomenon than the biefeld-brown effect due to it not depending on polarity. The biefeld-brown effect should be present in a small amount, but at 30kV it would be miniscule.

One example demonstrating something close to the real deal:
http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/english.htm
(text, pictures, and video)

Montalk,

I find your explanations quite interesting but if the forces acting upon the "Lifters" are ionic (in the form of an ionic wind) wouldn't the object move perpendicular to the aluminum foil walls?  The aluminum walls would act as a surface where the ionic wind would exert a force causing the device to move sideways (if the force is perpendicular) or up/down at an angle if the force is not perpendicular.  Oddly enough, the "Lifters" move upwards on a line that its 180 degrees from the gravitational force of the planet.  What does the main stream science have to say about these devices?  Has anybody developed a relationship between weight and voltage application?  It appears that if something of considerable weight is utlized (say a table) the voltage required to make it move would be quite large.  Nevertheless, the darn things are quite interesting!

Regards,

Lee

Re: How to build your own AntiGravity floater - With videos

Hi Whywhywhy,

(glad to see you back) -  From what I understand, the lifters have a thin wire running around the top, and a flat aluminum foil fin tracing the same path an inch or so below. The top wire is charged positive or negative, and the bottom is grounded or given the opposite charge.  So a cross section looks like this:

a
i               *   wire cross section  (+)
r
                ||    foil cross section    (-)
|               |
|               |
|               |
V              |   
                |
                |
                ||

Basically, air gets charged up at the wire and attracted downwards to the foil, then upon reaching the foil gets neutralized and then (if the foil is charged and not just grounded) gets repelled again. The entire process flows from top to bottom, therefore the lifters rise in the direction of the wire. By the time the air gets neutralized and recharged oppositely by the foil, it's already moving downwards...so the extra repelling push it receives (in addition to the attractive pull right after it leaves the area of the wire) is also directed downwards somewhat.

A lifter placed on its side will move sideways. Or if held still, it popels air.  I tried this with my brother's lifter... you can definitely feel cool air blowing away from the bottom. Hmm, I wonder if it would make a nice solid state cooling device...

You can buy a pre-built power supply here:   
http://amazing1.com/grav.htm

Or go cheap and get an old working computer monitor, open it up, and connect that suction cup thingy that goes into the CRT to the wire of the lifter, and the foil to the computer metal chassis. Don't fry yourself if you do this, look up info on the web for directions and safety tips if necessary. I let my brother plug the monitor into my variac to vary the voltage, but otherwise just turning the monitor on made the lifter fly. It had to be tethered down by strings taped to the table. Was pretty cool...

I'm planning on building a 100kV supply eventually, maybe higher, to do some real antigravity stuff. In high school I borrowed the Van de Graaf generator to do some biefeld-brown experiments, but discovered its current output wasn't high enough to overcome leakage in the capacitor. I made the capacitor from stacks of photo lamination sheets interleaved with aluminum foil. It was suspended perpendicular to the floor and expected to swing a little towards the positive pole, but movement was very slight due to charge not building up enough.

http://montalk.net/science/84/the-biefeld-brown-effect -- some notes on the biefeld-brown effect

There are other ways to make it work better... a parallel plate capacitor is symmetric all the way through. If instead an asymmetric capacitor is used, like at that link I posted (bmiklos2000) then even at 100kV it works... the asymmetry boosts the effect due to nonlinearity in the electric field. The Lifter also is an asymmetric capacitor, with a wire at the top and foil fin at the bottom, except I think the asymmetry helps with the ion drift there as well.

I bet that if a lifter is placed in a good vacuum and given a 100kV or greater potential, it would move solely due to antigravity effects.  That means a craft like this would work both in the atmosphere and outer space. That's awesome.

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5 (edited by whywhywhy 2006-02-02 10:14:20)

Re: How to build your own AntiGravity floater - With videos

Montalk,

When using the Variac, can you control the rate at which the lifter moves? or, a minute change in voltage causes a drastic change in terms of motion on the lifter?  I wonder if as the air is neutralized and push out by the next wave if this kinetic energy could be used to generate a current which can be used to power the wire.  If this is possible then a small amount of external power would be required to get the device started.  Once started, the device can perpetuate itself by the motion produced.

On the matter of antigravity devices/systems I would be curious to know if theoretically when the device leaves the planet it can be aligned with a gravity line between two celestial bodies and travel along it at speeds near the speed of the light.  The amount of current to be used would be directly proportional to the distance between the celestial body and the device.

Do we know if any company out there (publicly) is doing research & development on these devices?

Regards,

Lee