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What can I say? Great minds etc. cool

lol

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What an interesting thread !

It so nice to be on message board where you are not shot out of the water for bringing up a topic like this. Some of the message boards I've spent time at for the last couple of years I would have been. Even a topic like life after death or near death experiences would have brought on the wolf pack of materialist-skeptics.

In the past, I welcomed the challenge of debate but it weighs on you and is time consuming and generally some of these concepts are so far out of the mainstream  that people lose interest, think you're crazy or are baffled.


............but you can't unhear something.


What I love about David Wilcock's work, he starts from physics and works outwards.  It speaks the language.  His work can prepare you to discuss the possibilty of the afterlife to someone steeped in mainstream science and mainstream thought.
  I brought up the idea of zero-point-energy on another message board. The concept that there is enough zero-point-energy in the volume of a light bulb to bring all the oceans of the world to the boiling point and this is calculable  by scientific experimentation. 
I'm amazed how something like that won't give pause whereas the latest reality show or antic of some celebrity is worthy of endless discussion.


I appreciate the sentiment that people are showing, in this thread, about not getting caught up in the date 2012/12/21. I agree but more to the point, for me, is to not become emotionally caught up in it.

On an intellectual level it is interesting and a further example of the mystery and beauty of Creation.

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google wrote:

What an interesting thread !

It so nice to be on message board where you are not shot out of the water for bringing up a topic like this.

Yes, indeed.  Welcome to Noble Realms!

google wrote:

I brought up the idea of zero-point-energy on another message board. The concept that there is enough zero-point-energy in the volume of a light bulb to bring all the oceans of the world to the boiling point and this is calculable  by scientific experimentation. 



I'm amazed how something like that won't give pause whereas the latest reality show or antic of some celebrity is worthy of endless discussion.

There is a thread on this forum called "free energy from nature" which addresses zero point energy.

Here is a link to it:
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=44

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tenetnosce wrote:

You can be home meditating, or driving down the freeway, or sitting at work, or walking around a shopping mall with your mom.  It doesn't matter.  You are popping back and forth from 3D to 4D all the time.  See if you can be aware of the specific moment when you switch.

It is just as simple to focus your awareness on 6D or 9D, or whatever.

Tenetnosce, thanks for your thoughtful answer in regard to my question. Definitely a lot to think about. I really enjoyed what you had to say!

Lyra wrote:

One is what I feel is the corrupted version of it all, the one propogated by the New Age movement, about galactic allignments, the special segment of society who is chosen to move on to this New Earth utopia, waking up one morning on December 12, 2012 in a new world, fully equipped with super powers, surrounded by light beings and rainbows and unicorns

lol lol lol

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Thanks you all for your words!  I've finally learned of some ideas about 4D and so on.

On the subject of 2012, I find it intresting and exciting, but it isn't the now.

As yoda once said "Clear your mind of questions."

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Natural Mystic wrote:

Thanks you all for your words!  I've finally learned of some ideas about 4D and so on.

On the subject of 2012, I find it intresting and exciting, but it isn't the now.

All time is now.

As yoda once said "Clear your mind of questions."

That'll be the day. cool

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Jen wrote:

All time is now.

Yea, I meant that to the extend that our "ego" projection of the future isn't now.
But yea you're right, even that is the eternal now. roll tongue

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Here are selections of a reading that I had with David Wilcock (2012 is mentioned):

"Rest assured that there is great validity in that which you have seen as unbelievable.  Rest assured that this new world is coming into focus even now.  The energies of fourth density are transforming the vibratory frequency of DNA.  Many paranormal experiences become available to the awakening soul as this expansion continues.  Many areas of resistance will emerge.

The path centers with yourself, with the forgiveness of self, the acceptance of self, and then the direction and will to positive and creative action.  Self understanding is a crucial component of this as you must understand what is present before you can fully forgive and accept it.

To understand yourself is to commit to finding answers to the questions that are welling up in your mind.  If you having a passion to know, to seek, to understand, allow yourself a grace period, if you wish, to resolve those questions.  This is honoring yourself, and honoring the heritage that you are coming from.

This awakening can be very difficult, like being beaten with reeds, the reeds themselves not being thick, but the cumulative sting causing a great welling up of sorrow in the mind.  There is the feeling that life will never truly be resolved on Earth, that it will never truly be what you want, and thus you constantly have to "settle for"  levels of disharmony and discontent.  There are certain compromises that are inevitable.

But this process of ascension is not about a cosmic lightswitch that a disembodied spirit flips at a certain moment in time such as December 21, 2012.  It is a process of continuing unfoldment.  It is a process of reaching deep within yourself and making those changes inside that quite literally do fulfill the prophecy of a new world- a new heaven, a new earth.  A world that is indeed one hundred times more harmonious. A world where you do indeed step into the divine abilities that are your endowment, which now lie in dormant potentiality."

Here is a link to the full reading: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=466

Also, here is a link to David Wilcock's recently updated web site called "Divine Cosmos":
http://www.divinecosmos.com/cms/

The classic date for the end of the Mayan calendar is December 21, 2012.  December 21 is the solstice and today is also the solstice - December 21, 2005.  So the classic ending date to the Mayan calendar is now exactly 7 years away.

According to some theories and according to some people's personal experience, over the past few years, there has been a sense that "time is speeding up" so that even though 2012 may be 7 years away - it may feel like it is arriving more quickly than we generally think of 7 years lasting.

While the dates may be interesting as markers, I don't recommend putting too much emphasis on them - still, it may be helpful to have a framework for understanding that we may be living in a period of acceleration, and at some point when we look back we may realize that we are living in a changed world.  Perhaps this is happening already, but the upcoming difference over the next few years may be the degree of change.

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wandering1 wrote:

But this process of ascension is not about a cosmic lightswitch that a disembodied spirit flips at a certain moment in time such as December 21, 2012.  It is a process of continuing unfoldment.  It is a process of reaching deep within yourself and making those changes inside that quite literally do fulfill the prophecy of a new world- a new heaven, a new earth.  A world that is indeed one hundred times more harmonious. A world where you do indeed step into the divine abilities that are your endowment, which now lie in dormant potentiality."

Remember in school when we wrote exams ?

Some people finished the 2 hour exam in one hour and then left.
Some people finished the 2 hour exam in one hour and stuck around to check the answers over.
Some, sensing the deadline, quickly finished in the last 10 minutes.
Others don't finish but have enough correct answers to move on to the next grade while others don't finish and have to repeat the grade.   


Is this a reasonable analogy of December 21, 2012 ?
The end of a cycle ?





Some of us may have to play with the smaller kids for a year.

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Well, I dunno if the "test" analogy is apropos. I think of it more as the Wave, as per the C's.  But it's true that there will be some people who will find it easier to ride that wave--others will be tumbled about for a time before they get their bearings.  Ultimately each of us will find
our niche on the shore. 

And yes, according to the Mayan calendar, it's the end of a cycle.
Here's sometning I read on this recently:

http://www.matrixmasters.com/spirit/htm … l#galactic

The Next World Age of the Maya

     From what we now know, it appears that the ancient Maya believed their long count calendar measured, among other things, the amount of time required for the human species to evolve to each succeeding level of awareness. Accordingly, they believed that when our planet and sun come into a resonant alignment with the galactic center, humanity will step over another threshold of consciousness and begin the next great World Age. In essence, the Maya believed the alignment of December 21, 2012 would provide the resonant catalyst for the next quantum leap consciousness takes as our cosmos continues to awaken.

     Unlike the fanatical groups who frequent the airwaves with apocalyptic predictions of a shift in the orientation of the Earth's magnetic poles, the pole shift foretold by the Mayans is one of a shift in the collective psyche of our species. As they saw it, we are headed for a fundamental change in the way we relate to one another, as well as for a change in the ways in which our species relates to the rest of the biosphere. Such a change in world view, of course, will come about when a sufficient number of people consciously elect to adopt a more humanitarian and planetary view of life. For many people, this will require a complete revision of the way in which they relate to the environment and to each other. As most readers of this book already know, what is required is both an intellectual and an emotional understanding of John Donne's (17) admonition that "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main . . ." Or, as modern physics is proving, every person is a part of a unified cosmos.

     Given the perspective of 21st century science, there does not appear to be any physical event that is going to occur when (or if) our planet is aligned with the center of our galaxy. Although there are some people who eagerly anticipate some such grand physical transformation, I believe the Maya were being more metaphysical than physical in their anticipation of a great change taking place at the end of their current calendar. Of course, one may ask why it is even necessary for the Earth to go through an entire cycle of precession before humankind is ready for its next great evolutionary leap, and no satisfactory answer can be found. However, I see this as no reason for not championing the idea that it is time, once again, for our species to move to some higher level of awareness. The 2012 date, which is not an end-date that is exclusive only to the Mayans, is as good a time as any for such a transformation. In fact, what is wrong with beginning to effect such a change today?

I totally agree with that last sentence in particular...

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Just found this at diagnosis2012, think it's worth including here,
I think the part about instantaneous creation is especially interesting.
The 2.0.1.3. site seems to be gone now, too bad...

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5.htm

Remote Viewing. On the Internet, there is a website called "2.0.1.3.", and in the FAQ section, we find the following:

"Why do you assert that time is ending?"

Actually what is ending is the perception that time is "linear and absolute". In fact time exists many forms,     none of them real except in the subjective sense.                           

At the end of the present cycle, humanity will learn to keep cosmic time, galactic time, and quantum time, as well as to gain a more sophisticated understanding of solar time… just to name a few perceptual modes.

So you got us on this one - "time" isn't ending… but it sounds better and is more concise than the preceding two paragraph explanation.

2.0.1.3. is a symbolic reference to post-shift consciousness - it is NOT a year in the Gregorian calendar scheme of things.

"I just heard that it is a consensus among "remote viewers" that nothing can be "seen" after the year 2012. Is that because of the nature of the new time?"


That's right. It also has a lot to do with the nature of physical events "beyond" 2012.

"After" the year 2012, there is no lapse in time between a thoughtform and its corresponding 3D eventform.

So, if a remote viewer in 1997 cannot see beyond 2012 it is to a large degree because the world(s) beyond 2012 have not been conceived of yet, or we are just perceiving/creating them now… THAT is the nature of the new time.

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I like that last line too.




This topic reminds me of part of the 1981 Ra channelling session that says :


"How does a third-density planet become a fourth density planet?"


" I am Ra.
The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.
Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest. "



http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ca … tart_row=0

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What Ra says about the small harvest for 4D is in sync with the concept of the world splitting, which has been discussed here at NR
before. 

I think this from Metatron is one of the best channelings on this subject: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1818

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Thanks.

I will read it


....... and comment on it if you wish.

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google wrote:

Thanks.

I will read it


....... and comment on it if you wish.

only if you feel moved to do so...