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Re: Synchronicity, the month of November, time loops and stuff "on pause"

hogrot wrote:

The scientific theory takes some huge leaps of faith. First, you have to have some faith in contemporary physics. You have to first accept that time and matter are real. Second you have to accept that time is infinite and matter is finite. If time is infinite and matter is finite, then the entire universe is like a glorified chess match. There are only so many combinations of moves to play through before you've reached every possible outcome. If time is infinite and matter is finite, you will reach every possible outcome an infinite number of times.

What does it mean to say that time and matter are "real"?  In what context?  Far from asserting the reality of time/space, contemporary physicists such as Fred Alan Wolf, in The Yoga of Time Travel, go to some pains to explain why both time and space are products of our mind or imagination.

I do relate to what you say about the universe being like a glorified chess match, but I think this is due to the polarity game we are playing, which ultimately is also an illusion...

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What do I mean by time is real? Wow, I really don't have an answer for that. At the time I meant that it exists, that it's a constant. Real. My perception of textbook physics.

But that doesn't mean anything because I don't really know what time is or if it even exists. Maybe it's just a measurment.

I'm saying you'd have to take leaps of faith for the theory to play out.

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Polarity has always seemed real to me, too. There are opposites, there are not opposites, opposing truths are equally true... ever since I started thinking about this kind of stuff. It seems like the perfect riddle.

The double entandra of saying "nothing exists"- you can say it in the affirmative and negative- and it means entirely different and identical things at the same time.

How you can say "there are no universal truths"-- but the act of saying that has you asserting that there IS a universal truth.


Is this what you mean with polarity or is this just me being indecisive?

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Re: Synchronicity, the month of November, time loops and stuff "on pause"

dreamosis wrote:

The types of personalities from my last box office job correspond almost exactly to the types (and numbers) of personalities of co-workers in my new box office job: a thirysomething gay guy who likes cooking, a thirtysomething English Lit type, and a couple of students.

lyra wrote:

And I too have noted times where I've started a job and discovered, much to my amazement, that I'm working with a near identical "cast of characters."  Same profiles and everything.

I have been uhmm wondering about this very thing for about two years !!! since 2003 when I think I first noticed it. I lived in Houston where there are lots and lots of different kinds of people but I began to notice that some different places I go I would notice different poeple who not only look VERY similar, if not identical, to other unrelated people, but also seem to have a very similar if not identical PERSONALITY to those same people they physically resemble!! To me they seemed almost like a 'carbon copy' of a 'generic' mentality comonly found in the public mind - just different 'cliche' mindsets which are found throughout mainstream society.

lyra wrote:

The way I discovered it was that when I was 20, I realized that every other odd year, like 1989, 1991, 1993, 1995 were years of HUGE, ENORMOUS change for me.   LOTS of moving around, job hopping, life turning topsy turvy, chaos and change and evolution galore.   But the even years, 1990, 1992, 1994, were not that eventful in comparison.

wow, because I never thought about it but after I read that I could say the same thing about relatively big changes in my life on odd numbered years. Also a few on even years but mostly odd years. I moved my place of residence in the years 2003, 2001, 1999, 1997, and 1995. I'm not sure but I think I may have also even changed my place of residence in 1993 also.


feritciva wrote:

- the only different thing is, i was feeling in a kind of "pause mode" several years ago - namely 1998! I don't feel the same way as that time again but Goro mentions Nov 98, which is a lot interesting.

1998 is significant for me because that is the year that I first began noticing something different about the world. I didn't consider it 'noticing something different about the world' at that time, but looking back I do. It's just that since 1998 I started noticing everything outside in my hometown as being a lot more 'clean cut' and 'crisp' in the outdoors and even that things felt and looked more 'radiant' or 'vibrant'. Just everything. Everything I could see, but I could also feel it. Kinda like everything got a weird 'reality upgrade'.

quantumsurfer wrote:

I got this in Oct. and have been afraid to share with anyone thinking I was making it all up! But I got it and had some very heavy synchron's happen since then which really support my revelations, which I could go into if anyone was interested.

Yes, please! smile

whywhywhy wrote:

......I wonder why Neo never asked the "Architech" what happened to the previous five "Chosen Ones".   When Morpheous gave his speech to the Zions and told them not to worry about the attack he mentioned they have been in the "Struggle" for 100 years.  Did the other "Chosen Ones" live and died in that time frame?.

No, the other Chosen Ones were from the other versions of the Matrix.

visavis wrote:

Sorry for the long post... I don't want to turn this into a movie thread but I think that Neo's conversation with Architect is so multilayered and fascinating:

wow - your long post has allowed a new interpretation of some of these relationships between 'the architect', Neo, the Matrix and the sleeping slave race humanity. I have seen the conversation many times and read it too but I never saw it this way: the Architect (obviously) created the matrix (the universe for humanity) but keep in mind he did so with the intention of decieving humanity into slavery. This allowed a new perception of the Architect for me after reading this part:

visavis wrote:
The Wachowski brothers wrote:

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end.

because I remembered something troydungeon said about the universe (our universe we now live in) and it's 'creator' -

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2223

troydungeon wrote:

Darkness (A.K.A. "The Devil") is the one who created this Universe that we live in. Earth is not a "school for the soul," it is simply a battlefield to fight Darkness. The true creator lives in another realm.

This is info coming from the Xee-A Twelve website. It was a major match for me to hear him say that the earth is a battlefield because I had remembered hearing that very early on in my searchings on such things, so I decided to 'more thoroughly' consider his claims of the 'creator' seeing as that it did seem to match with what was symbolically portrayed in Genesis with 'man' (mankind) being decieved into tasting of the 'fruit' of the knowledge of good and evil (life in a polarity-based physical universe).

Now the 'Architect' is revealed as having the same motives as a would be 'dark-creator' (deciet and enslavement of mankind)

What tipped me in this direction was the Architect's reference to Neo as the 'fundamental flaw untimately expressed' because that 'fundamental flaw' he is referring to is Love itself. That which is the OPPOSITE of both the 'dark-creator' and the machine 'architect'. He is referring to Neo expressing his true nature of being (God-Source) as love for Trinity and arrogantly arguing that this means the 'anomoly' (Neo) will provide the demise of mankind and himself through the same tool by which he came into being (Love).

I am as is Void.

50 Reply by tenetnosce (edited by tenetnosce 2005-11-29 22:50:22)

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Re: Synchronicity, the month of November, time loops and stuff "on pause"

Jen wrote:

What does it mean to say that time and matter are "real"?  In what context?  Far from asserting the reality of time/space, contemporary physicists such as Fred Alan Wolf, in The Yoga of Time Travel, go to some pains to explain why both time and space are products of our mind or imagination.

What is real?  How do you define real?

Not to play Morpheus, but what really is real, anyway?  Does real mean physical?  Aren't emotions real?  Aren't thoughts real?  And if thoughts are real, then does real still stand in contrast to imaginary? 

What exactly is the opposite of real? 

Reality is just a matter of focus.

If the phenomenon of time is a product of the mind, does that make it any less real?

Sometimes the question seems so absurd to me.

If things that are imagined are not real, then how could they possibly have an effect upon something that is real?  And how could a thing be a thing if it is not real, anyway?

Does real mean substantial?  Like how gold is real money, but paper is not?

Who decided that the rather useless (at the time) metal that we know as gold was inherently valuable, anyway?

Does real mean fixed, unchanging, eternal?  Because then the physical world is definitely not real, and neither is anything else.

Are things real because we can perceive them or does our perceiving them make them real?

Real is one of those words to me that is very suspect because when somebody uses it, there isn't any way for you to know what they are talking about.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

51 Reply by Jen (edited by Jen 2005-11-29 23:28:55)

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hogrot wrote:

Polarity has always seemed real to me, too. There are opposites, there are not opposites, opposing truths are equally true... ever since I started thinking about this kind of stuff. It seems like the perfect riddle.

Yup, just like the riddle of existence!

The double entandra of saying "nothing exists"- you can say it in the affirmative and negative- and it means entirely different and identical things at the same time.

Ah, paradox...it's so...paradoxical cool

How you can say "there are no universal truths"-- but the act of saying that has you asserting that there IS a universal truth.

Or truths (plural).  Herre's something from an essay I'm writing, a work in progress:

Jen wrote:

On the one hand, truth is relative, and we each
must discover our own truth within.  On the other hand, there is a fundamental Truth or Reality that goes beyond our personal
perceptions.  The ancient scriptures of Hinduism, the Vedas, call the innermnost personal reality "Atman",  and the ultimate reality
of the universe "Brahman."  Ultimately, there is no separation between these two aspects.

hogrot wrote:

Is this what you mean with polarity or is this just me being indecisive?

Well, I dunno if you are being indecisive, but I mean polarity as in the balance of light and dark forces.  The game board is a potent symbol of this, thus the polarity game IS like a glorified chess match.

In the Law of One material it is described as being analogous to electiricty--you need both the positive and negative poles or there is no charge.  From the Law of One Study Guide:

QUESTION:   To make an analogy, when polarization in the atmosphere occurs to create thunderstorms, lightning, and much activity, this more vivid experience could be likened to the polarization in consciousness which creates the more vivid experience. Is this correct? (B4, 165)

RA: Given a disclaimer about the conditions producing the storm, we agree with this analogy.

Another important point is made here:

V. RELATION BETWEEN HARVESTABILITY AND DEGREE OF POLARIZATION

QUESTION: Is it possible to increase polarization without increasing harvestability?

RA:  In the 3rd density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy a higher intensity of light. Thus it is almost impossible to polarize without increasing harvestability in 3rd density.

But Ra also says that there is no real or eternal polarity since all contradictions will be resolved at some point...

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tenetnosce wrote:

Real is one of those words to me that is very suspect because when somebody uses it, there isn't any way for you to know what they are talking about.

That's why I was asking hogrot what he meant in stating:

hogrot wrote:

You have to first accept that time and matter are real.

I was also wondering about this:

hogrot wrote:

Second you have to accept that time is infinite and matter is finite. If time is infinite and matter is finite, then the entire universe is like a glorified chess match. There are only so many combinations of moves to play through before you've reached every possible outcome. If time is infinite and matter is finite, you will reach every possible outcome an infinite number of times.

I don't know what it means to say that time is infinite and matter is finite, but I'm intrigued by the part about the universe being like a glorified chess match, since I happen to agree, but for different reasons...

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Time is infinite means the universe will survive eternity. There is no end to it. Eternal existence.

Matter is finite means you can count the number of things in the universe. People, rocks, particles, strings, quarks, whatever. These things are numbered and limited.

It's a gigantic leap of faith, but if both of these things are true, then it's inevitable that every possible outcome plays out an infinite number of times. Like tossing dice or a chess match.

You live this life, exactly as it's been and will be, instant by instant and action by action an infinite number of times.

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hogrot wrote:

Time is infinite means the universe will survive eternity. There is no end to it. Eternal existence.

There's also the concept of the Eternal Now, wherein time is merely a construct of the physical plane.  As we evolve through the dimensions, linear time becomes meaningless.

Matter is finite means you can count the number of things in the universe. People, rocks, particles, strings, quarks, whatever. These things are numbered and limited.

How about this: if we come from the Infinite then we are infinite. 
(See "Many Worlds Theory" in the Physics forum.)

It's a gigantic leap of faith, but if both of these things are true, then it's inevitable that every possible outcome plays out an infinite number of times. Like tossing dice or a chess match.

You live this life, exactly as it's been and will be, instant by instant and action by action an infinite number of times.

I agree that there are recurring themes, but they are played out differently.  "You never step in the same river twice."

Re the universe as a "glorified chess match", I just found this on Wikpedia:   

Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child.

- Hippolytus

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tenetnosce wrote:

If things that are imagined are not real, then how could they possibly have an effect upon something that is real?  And how could a thing be a thing if it is not real, anyway?

ah, but are the imagined things having an effect upon what is real.... or is the imagining of things what often has the effect? 

So, in this hypothetical situation, could it be the imaginer, not the thing imagined, that produces the effect?

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I posted this previously here in a thread about the C's, "Bringers", STS/STO.

From Path of Empowerment, the Pleiadians thru Marciniak:

The checkerboard or game board pattern is a more complex version of the cross--an extension that naturally evolved from connecting a
series of interconnected crosses. The checkerboard is a grid pattern
composed of 64 squares--8 squares per side alternating in a b&w
design. This familiar set of symbols can be found the world over, as
well as throughout many lines of time. Hiding in plain sight, this b&w
pattern of squares is an ancient design that was created as a very
simple, yet powerful, tool to remind humanity of the vast expanse of
the field of existence, and most importantly, how to navigate it. This
symbol was easily imptinted on the deeper layers of the human mind and
passed on in the infinite patterns of perception from one generation
to another. The interlocking pattern was a multilayered
teaching that conveyed the encoded complexities of the multiverse.
Each cross point on the grid was a vortex and portal of energy
where realities merged, and each square was a symbol for a specific
quality of energy--black for negative and white for positive--just
like the negative and positive charges of electricity.

Synthesizing this crucial information into a two-dimensional form in
thirdd-dimensional reality, the intent was to portray the importance
of polarity within the natural order of the multiverse by way of
symbolic metaphor. The checkerboard is a symbol that has captured the ultimate complexity of the field of existence in a design that is layered with symbolic meaning, yet presents itself with the ultimate of simplicity--an innocent presence in world culture appearing as nothing more than a board for playing games. People of old knew that, in the game of existence, they would live again and again, and they also knew that how they perceived and interpreted reality determined the quality of their life experience here and beyond. They further knew that the game board was created as a symbol to imprint their memory banks so as to remember and be able to call forth what was remembered from lifetime to lifetime.

Like the cross, the checkerboard or game board contained layers of
meaningful information. Because symbols can be used to affect and direct consciousness in many subtle ways, the lines and alternating colors spoke to the deep layers of the sub-and unconscious minds, areas that readily respond to and recognize symbols that the conscious mind may barely notice. People use their minds in different fashions; the ancients grasped that the mind was affected by the forces of nature and everything is part of a cosmic dance of energy. The game board became their treasured symbol for consciously playing the game of existence. The 64 squares--6 + 4 = 10, revealing one and zero--form an eight-sided design on a 2-D
surface in 3D reality, a metaphor for revealing the essence of cosmic
law and the basic instructions for building energy in any reality. Black and white symbolized the female and male polarities, negative and positive forces, dark and light, night and day, blood and semen, zero and one, vagina and penis, chalice and blade, etc. Even the Eastern symbol of yin and yang, the b&w swirl traditionally representing the balance of energy, was inherent in the design.

Today, what is the game really about? What are its components? How is
it influencing you? Perhaps you are wondering how you can learn to play on the game board, working your way up to multidimensional chess. The game is about managing energy in every aspect of the cosmos. It is a game of awareness, and the board represents the field of existence, which is the neutral playing field of energy that supports and expands consciousness; its presence announces and reminds you, on very deep levels of consciousness, that 'you are "playing the field."

The symbol of the game board can serve as a tool for expanding your
consciousness. Remember, the game board conveys the important message that the nature of consciousness is multidimensional
and that it is composed of light and dark forces that require constant
balance. When you see the game board, it is a reminder that you are in the game, and on a subconscious level, you
agree to the rules.

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visavis wrote:

tenetnosce wrote:

If things that are imagined are not real, then how could they possibly have an effect upon something that is real?  And how could a thing be a thing if it is not real, anyway?

ah, but are the imagined things having an effect upon what is real.... or is the imagining of things what often has the effect? 

So, in this hypothetical situation, could it be the imaginer, not the thing imagined, that produces the effect?

From Blueprint For Change (Bashar thru Darryl Anka):

...everything is an illusion, and yet everything is real. Because you are the ccreator; you are the gods. The universe is your creation. What you imagine is real is a portion of that universe, and can be really experienced on every level, including the physical one.

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visavis wrote:

tenetnosce wrote:

If things that are imagined are not real, then how could they possibly have an effect upon something that is real?  And how could a thing be a thing if it is not real, anyway?

ah, but are the imagined things having an effect upon what is real.... or is the imagining of things what often has the effect? 

So, in this hypothetical situation, could it be the imaginer, not the thing imagined, that produces the effect?

sure it could it some hypothetical situations, but not all hypothetical situations.

take the stock market for example.  completely imaginary.  a creation of mind.  but some very real effects.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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tenetnosce wrote:

Real is one of those words to me that is very suspect because when somebody uses it, there isn't any way for you to know what they are talking about.

I really agree with this.  Because of this, sometimes even applying critical thinking to this subject area can be difficult.  That doesn't mean it can't be understood though.

I seems that the line between what is real and what is imaginary (if there is one) can be quite thin.

Perhaps the stock market doesn't have its own life force, but can be thought of as being a creation from the minds of people.  So it receives its energy, structure and being from people's minds...  So maybe it is just a (highly structured) thought form that is a conduit for producing effect on what's real, not where the effect is actually originating from.

I'm trying to get my head wrapped around it and can't at the moment.  Maybe it's too late here tongue

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Jen wrote:

From Blueprint For Change (Bashar thru Darryl Anka):

...everything is an illusion, and yet everything is real. Because you are the ccreator; you are the gods. The universe is your creation. What you imagine is real is a portion of that universe, and can be really experienced on every level, including the physical one.

Ok, I agree that since we are of the same infinite stuff as Source we can create.  That is pretty much a given.  But I'm sorry, I have to disagree with the essence of your channeled quote.

I didn't make the universe.  I am not the Creator of the Universe.  Last time I looked, neither was anyone else that I know.  Look, no offense, but I find that to be a terribly ego-centric idea.  It's really just a big stroke of the ego in my opinion.

Let me explain: if I really took that to heart and thought I was the Creator, 'I AM the Source', I would be a walking superiority complex.  Maybe not outwardly, as I would perhaps much of the time be really caught up in the lovey-dovey "I made everything so I'm gonna love my creation" - but let's face it... when it boils down to it I would hold very little accountability in how I treated others for example, if they really got in my way of what I want.  Recurring subconscious thought spawning selfish action in times of irritabilty: "I'm Creator, I created all this, how dare you cut me off in traffic - I created you, you prick - now eff off. Twerp!  Evolve, prick!"  Sorry, might be taking it a bit far, and I'm not saying that all road-ragers also think they created the universe, but maybe you see a bit of what I'm saying.

Let's keep in mind that an extremely common tactic by the greys seems to be to stroke the shit out of one's ego by saying that they (the abductee/contactee) are the chosen messenger for the human race, they will be messiah, they will become *truly* enlightened.  If only they bow their head to the utter soulless pit of lies, and kindly give up theirs (soul) - or at minimum proliferate the mutation and/or enslavement of countless souls - and betray their race.  We know this, it's documented through many people's experience, and it's a fact that must not be trivialized.

I would say that probably, the real me is an infinite piece of life force which was eminated from the Source.  To learn and love and experience and grow and rise and add to the whole Existence, an infinitesimally small bit, with my experiences.  But the whole "I AM the Creator, I/WE created the Universe" new-age stuff?  If we did then we wouldn't be here learning and growing and fighting on this prison planet.  Nope, don't buy it.

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