1 (edited by troydungeon 2005-09-26 16:21:18)

Topic: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

First off all, me sending you the GLP link of the "Insider" was no coincidence. My website is www.TheRealMatrix.com.

Montalk, are you aware of www.xeeatwelve.com. The Insider of GLP is really nothing compared to Amitakh Stanford. She is a True-Light being. And, she knows just about every single secret that there is in the Universe.  Montalk, not to burst your bubble, but Darkness (A.K.A. "The Devil") is the one who created this Universe that we live in. Earth is not a "school for the soul," it is simply a battlefield to fight Darkness. The true creator lives in another realm. Earth is only "special" because the atu-waa (the time re-starting machine) was placed here thousands of years ago. This Universe must be destroyed so that we can return to our original realm--one free of the density/dimension levels that exist in Darkness's universe.  Karma is a 100% evil concept. Amitkah Stanford laughs at people like you who promote Darkness's universe and agendas.

I am surprised at you though, because you are such a wise person...but, knowing that the Devil/Darkness/Demiurge created this universe is Gnosticism 101! (Not to say that I am a Gnostic or anything.)

So once again, my website is www.TheRealMatrix.com. Going there will give you a good summary of reality, but you should still tackle xeeatwelve.com for all of the juicy details about life, existence, and Earth.

And, I don't know what it is about me, but I seem to be immune to attacks from the Reptilians and other aliens. I doubt that I am a True-Light being, because I don't have any kind of supernatural powers. But, I suspect that I may be a True-Light robotic agent.

And Montalk, how come you never talk about the Hollow Earth?

By the way, I was born in 1983, and am a senior electrical engineering student at an American university.

I hope that I have woken you up,

Troy

2 (edited by montalk 2005-09-26 17:05:31)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Thanks for the links. The reptoid image looks really good against the dark background.

The Insider of GLP is really nothing compared to Amitakh Stanford. She is a True-Light being. And, she knows just about every single secret that there is in the Universe.

Wow, I'll have to take a look then.

Earth is not a "school for the soul," it is simply a battlefield to fight Darkness.

People learn a lot from fighting the darkness both inside and outside themselves. As I wrote on my site, the matrix is both a school and a prison depending on what you make of it. But I have also learned from experiences that have nothing to do with fighting Darkness, so I think there is more to the world than you propose.

As for gnosticism, I believe the physical universe is created by the sleeping half of the Creator, which is identically Darkness, so our views do not differ on that point.

And Montalk, how come you never talk about the Hollow Earth?

Because I've never been there while conscious. Also I think detailing it has little practical application for us folks on the surface. Notice I also don't talk about alien bases on the dark side of the moon, mars anomalies, or Atlantis...although I find those intriguing subjects.

Nevertheless, I am more inclined to believe in a porous earth rather than hollow earth, there being huge web of chambers and tunnels permeating this planet. The gravitational field of this planet is consistent with a solid body, so are seismic echoes. But the natural and artificial caverns might be so extensive that as far as rooom for underground civilizations is concerned, it might as well be hollow.

And, I don't know what it is about me, but I seem to be immune to attacks from the Reptilians and other aliens.

That's great, keep up what you're doing then. However, I can't tell you whether it's a case of "knowledge protects" or "ignorance is bliss".

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

troydungeon wrote:

And, I don't know what it is about me, but I seem to be immune to attacks from the Reptilians and other aliens. I doubt that I am a True-Light being, because I don't have any kind of supernatural powers. But, I suspect that I may be a True-Light robotic agent.

Are you immune, or have you been led to believe you are immune? I guess it is relatively easy to trick the ego into believing something cool such as being immune. Such a belief would make you put down your guard and blow you wide open for whatever form of attack.

Also, is what you know truely what you know (or gnow), or is it what has been put into you for you to believe? Any greyscale between this black and white scenario is of course possible too.

Note: this is not a personal attack on you, I'd just like you to ask these questions to yourself and thoroughly examine their answers.

4 (edited by Xenopope 2005-09-27 06:25:24)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

troydungeon wrote:

Darkness (A.K.A. "The Devil") is the one who created this Universe that we live in. Earth is . . . simply a battlefield to fight Darkness. The true creator lives in another realm. Earth is only "special" because the atu-waa (the time re-starting machine) was placed here thousands of years ago. This Universe must be destroyed so that we can return to our original realm--one free of the density/dimension levels that exist in Darkness's universe.

Daaaammm!!! I never imagined anyone would post something like this . . . especially seeing as that it is almost exactly like something I've been figuring out lately . . . except for maybe the part about evil creating the universe and destroying the universe, but it mentions the 'phantom' universe - http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh … rticle.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh … apPage.htm

troydungeon wrote:

This Universe must be destroyed so that we can return to our original realm--one free of the density/dimension levels that exist in Darkness's universe.

So, our purpose here is to battle. And how exactly do we destroy the universe? LOL! This is weird because I heard before that this is what evil wants . . . my question is - How is battle waged? By physical fighting or energy balancing? Maybe you can fight the war by only changing your thinking from 3D polarity . . .

How did we get into this evil universe? If we came here, we must have known it was for battle . . . unless we were decieved which would explain why we are so limited in body.

I don't know . . I JUST DON'T KNOW!!!! big_smile

*gets headache*

hmm

I am as is Void.

5 (edited by feritciva 2005-09-27 06:52:49)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Xenopope wrote:

How did we get into this evil universe? If we came here, we must have known it was for battle . . . unless we were decieved which would explain why we are so limited in body.

I don't know . . I JUST DON'T KNOW!!!! big_smile

*gets headache*

hmm

Excellent question, which I've wondering about a lot lately. Why choose here/now? Why choose forgeting? As far as I observe we -people on NR forum - are not in the middle of the big mess which humanity stands on (ummmm... let's say not THAT much) but are we still missing some very important thing?

I began to realize something with all my cells. "I" as Feritciva (or whatever name I have) is nothing more than a "network computer programme" with some hyperdimensional users logged on. The question is who use this "I network programme"? Who arrange the experiences? Who get benefit from this I's experinences? Higher self? Possibly. Negative beings? If they have the access. Creator? It may have trillions of trillions byte source. Loosh production subject had some answers for me. The Island movie (which was suprisingly excellent) had some other answers. But...

Still I don't know too!

Ferit, another NR'er with headache

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

feritciva wrote:
Xenopope wrote:

How did we get into this evil universe? If we came here, we must have known it was for battle . . . unless we were decieved which would explain why we are so limited in body.

I don't know . . I JUST DON'T KNOW!!!! big_smile

*gets headache*

hmm

Excellent question, which I've wondering about a lot lately. Why choose here/now? Why choose forgeting? As far as I observe we -people on NR forum - are not in the middle of the big mess which humanity stands on (ummmm... let's say not THAT much) but are we still missing some very important thing?

[...]

Still I don't know too!

Ferit, another NR'er with headache

Here are a couple of quotes I like, on the purpose of being here.

First, from the online book Ascension, The Journey Home:

What is the purpose of your life experiences here? Why did you press
yourself into a small human form, and separate yourself from the
consciousness of self as an eternal being? Why have we painfully
adjusted to an alien reality, to physical sensations, gravity,
emotions, survival, life, death, instinct, and the genetics of the
animal's body? Why have we learned to perceive, manipulate and work
within this realm? The purpose, that hidden agenda is for you to have
personal experiences which give you an individual sense of perception.
You are on a temporal journey with eternal rewards. The journey
through physical time and space marks you, makes you unique as you
expand out from earth.

On the second level away from earth, you don't have physical pain or
disease, unless you choose them, not a popular choice. The group
consciousness no longer makes the solid rules of reality. Within this
dimension, you can start the assimilation of all the lives you have
lived, the lives you could have lived or would have lived, with what
you are eternally. You become a unique, individual eternal being.
Without this birthing process of the identity, all the children of God
would have the same sense of perception. If all the same, "I love
you," the tone, the sound, the vibration would be identical. To
differentiate you from the others, you need experiences which give you
an individual sense of perception. So you put on all these garments of
beggar, thief, king, prince, murderer, lover, father, mother, and
child. You are thrown into this life and go through your own personal,
experiences to become unique. If you were to lose everything you
experienced and learned here as you expand away from this
consciousness back into your true identity, then life here would serve
no purpose. The incarnation in life would serve no function at all if
you can't retain it, assimilate it and let it define you as an eternal
entity.

One school of thought says what you experienced in life will not
matter. All the good and bad you did, all the heartaches and happiness
will make no difference. It will just fade away, and you'll go back to
being your higher self. But that isn't the purpose of life at all. The
purpose is for you to assimilate the higher self into this new being,
this unique and differentiated eternal being. What if you were a
horrible, lousy person? It doesn't mean you want to assimilate an
eternal, horrible person. What you would assimilate is a person who is
much more courteous and considerate, with an understanding of the
motivation of selfishness. A person who would have a conscious sense
of understanding of justifications for and the conditions and
situations that caused the selfishness, and maybe even a unique liking
of it from time to time. All this would affect your eternal identity.
In one sense, the more diverse experiences you have the better. They
are your real reward for existence here.

At the second level, the conditions of existence are optimum. That
being true, why do you come back into this physical reality? Because
of its preciousness, because of its importance to you. It is important
for you to be in the physical body to develop your own individual
characteristics and personal sense of perception. These are the
treasures you will take with you as you expand back outward.

and, from http://www.infinitebeing.com/0406/afterlife.htm

*Life in the Afterlife*

   
  The conquest of fear is one of the primary reasons for life on
Earth.

When people incarnate into this world, they leave behind an
extensive soul family in the spirit realms. This family consists of
the few souls who, in the entire universe, are the most like them,
the ones who are exactly on their wavelength. Leaving the
camaraderie of this intimate group of friends can be an act of soul-
wrenching self-sacrifice.

Often, the act of incarnation is not carried out alone. In fact, it
is usual for others from the same soul family to incarnate at
approximately the same time so that they will experience the issues
of their own generation together. Careful plans are made ahead of
time to ensure that key friendships will occur during these
incarnations. One of the ways this can be done is to be born into
the same physical family as brothers or sisters.

A spiritual entity enters this world through the body of a new-born
baby, takes a deep breath, and promptly inherits amnesia! All of a
sudden, they don't know how to walk, talk, dress themselves, or
drive to parties. All of those things come later.

Some simple functions are already present in the newly-formed baby's
brain, such as the ability to cry, drink milk, and cry louder.

This almost total amnesia, combined with a brain's focus upon the
external senses, creates an environment where fears can potentially
become enormous.

In fact, the human body on the physical plane of Earth is the
perfect place to experience fear in a wide variety of forms... and
to learn to overcome those fears by gaining inner strength.

Let's face it. If someone were attuned to the higher spheres of the
spirit world and saw themselves as a wise and powerful spirit who
just happens to use a physical vehicle, then the opportunity for
fear just wouldn't be the same. The threat of losing their physical
body would be no more fear-invoking than the threat of losing the
car that they use for driving to work.

The fear of death today is all-pervasive. It is so ingrained in
society that it gets avoided wherever possible. If death is
mentioned, the subject is usually changed as quickly as possible.

The fear of death is fed by, not just one, but three powerful
factors:

   - A built-in, biological survival instinct.
 
    - Fear of the unknown.
 
    - Fear of losing the company of a dearly loved one.
 
 
Add these three factors together and this fear may seem
insurmountable, but, taken one by one, these factors do become
manageable.

*Overcoming Fear*

The survival instinct serves to keep people alert when dangers
arise, so that they can respond quickly in order to preserve the
lives of their physical bodies. If you were driving headlong towards
an unfolding traffic accident, the sudden rush of adrenalin may feel
like fear, but it is really a coping mechanism for self-
preservation.

Fear of losing a loved one can often be supplanted by simply wanting
the best for them. If a loved one is dying of an incurable disease,
it is physically better for them to suffer as little as possible
from pain, confusion, and from the frustration of physical
incapacity. It also helps to know something about the afterlife in
which they will be living next.

Knowledge is the cure for fear of the unknown. The more people know
about their eventual destination, the easier it is to rationally
plan for it and to be sure that they have first reaped the intended
benefits from their current life's experiences.

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Thanks for the quotes Jen! smile

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

troydungeon wrote:

Earth is not a "school for the soul," it is simply a battlefield to fight Darkness.

And yet, you can't fight against the Darkness without employing its techniques, can you? Perhaps it would be better to try and embrace the darkness instead? I hear that it will run a mile when threatened with a hug!

troydungeon wrote:

The true creator lives in another realm.

How can the TRUE creator live in ANY realm? Wouldn't he have to have created the realm in which He Himself lived? Paradoxical.

troydungeon wrote:

Amitkah Stanford laughs at people like you who promote Darkness's universe and agendas.

Whilst I personally don't give a rat's ass what Amitkah Stanford (who?) laughs at, I laugh at you for even thinking that such name dropping is in any way impressive. I doubt anyone else here is fooled either...

troydungeon wrote:

I am surprised at you though, because you are such a wise person...but, knowing that the Devil/Darkness/Demiurge created this universe is Gnosticism 101! (Not to say that I am a Gnostic or anything.)

But... but... if the Gnostics said that then it must be true!!

troydungeon wrote:

So once again, my website is www.TheRealMatrix.com. Going there will give you a good summary of reality, but you should still tackle xeeatwelve.com for all of the juicy details about life, existence, and Earth.

Gee. I think I'll write a book: "Everything I needed to know about the true nature of the Cosmos, I learned from off of the Internet." I'm so glad that people like you are around to stop my eternal soul from getting itself into some serious trouble down here. Phew!

troydungeon wrote:

And, I don't know what it is about me, but I seem to be immune to attacks from the Reptilians and other aliens.

I can't say I blame them for staying the hell away from you, dude. They probably don't want to be lectured by you either.

troydungeon wrote:

But, I suspect that I may be a True-Light robotic agent.

There's definitely something robotic about you...

troydungeon wrote:

By the way, I was born in 1983, and am a senior electrical engineering student at an American university.

Congratulations on being 22, and with the arrogance of someone twice your age. Impressive. Most impressive.

troydungeon wrote:

I hope that I have woken you up

Consider us all firmly awakened.

Ciao!

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Well put, Neo.....

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

10 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2005-09-28 07:15:06)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Thanks for this great thread, i have no answers  but from what little i have gleamed from gnostic teachings is that troydungeon may have a point that should be considered.
This has been referred to for millenia from Ahriman, Jehovah, Demiurge, the story of Sophia, Archons,  Cathars, the false god Jesus reffered to and the real pre existent father he refers to in order to escape the clutches of the false god or the Demiurge.

Demiurge= From the Greek, Demiourgos, craftsman. From Plato's Timaeus, the demiurge  is the creator of the world. Greek Christian church fathers used the word to describe God as creator; however, the best known usage is by the Gnostics, who used it to refer to the inferior creator of the material world, whom they held as a seperate entity from the supernal deity. The Gnostics called this Demiurge Ialdabaoth; his birth was a consequence of Sophia's wish to create a copy of herself.

One of the aeonial beings who bears the name Sophia (“Wisdom� ) is of great importance to the Gnostic world view. In the course of her journeyings, Sophia came to emanate from her own being a flawed consciousness, a being who became the creator of the material and psychic cosmos, all of which he created in the image of his own flaw. This being, unaware of his origins, imagined himself to be the ultimate and absolute God. Since he took the already existing divine essence and fashioned it into various forms, he is also called the Demiurgos or “half-maker�  There is an authentic half, a true deific component within creation, but it is not recognized by the half-maker and by his cosmic minions, the Archons or “rulers� .

http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/gnintro.htm

http://www.humanities.ualberta.ca/agora/images/214.htm

http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/ … ticism.htm

One thing is for sure all our religions and world leaders seem to follow the false god and not the real one.
Question is did the demiurge or false god just hijack matter through the ego of man or did they create it?

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

The question from Barefoot Doc is intriquing. Could anything but somekind of diety hijack matter using the ego of man as a vector, or did this false god, whatever just create it. What? Is not the universe an absolute? No positive or negative sign. Just potential to do the improbable. The Logos was all I heard the greeks really put any stock in, and the rest was pablum for temple virgins. Human ego is already more than we humans can stand, it really colors the perception of time/space and holds the creation responsible for any and all problems we encounter. We deserve a break, we ain't done this before. We're gonna get it wrong a lot. But sometimes we get it right, and right in a big way, depends on your point of view. Being kind and gentle enough to domesticate animals was a breakthrough for humans. But some thought it a waste of food resources. I personally thought the breakthroughs that led to home brew was an outstanding developement. But that led to wild parties and litter. Hmmmm.  Think where we'd be without indoor plumbing! Say Doc, is a half-maker what we call a -tease-?  Aprogas had his finger on it when he pleaded for a little more gray between the dark and ultimate light. I think it's mostly various shades of everycolor, not much black and white stuff, and that the Creator wears heels and sequins and is happy to see me. ta.

12 (edited by All2one 2005-09-29 15:16:33)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

He he, this should be in the "humor and fun" section ... lol
Most important is to stay in HERE/NOW.
I imagine the face that appeared on our young troy when he wrote these lines... he he...
Leave Devil/God aside, let's not forget that  for millennias it is known that at the end there's only love and compassion, and it doesen't look like fighting skills to me, so i'm happy for troy that have choosed his reality and belives in it so strongly with his electrical engineered/(binary?) mind.
Just don't forget that eventually all comes from one, the name of the one has no matter.

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Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

I feel evil/good are emic distinctions that can easily trap (or keep trapped) those who choose to believe in this binary opposition. I think those values are subjective, but what is objective and therefore subsumes these values is balance/imbalance. If you "fight" evil in the violent, agressive sense of the word you are wasting your energy both on an invalid target and through futile means. Rather I should say, I believe you are only furthering the state of imbalance by going against "evil" or "darkness". In truth, both light and dark exist ( darkness permitting physical experience) but they are set in opposition until both are embraced and brought together as one. Balance/imbalance. Not good vs. evil, God vs. Satan.

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

As interesting and colorful as Gnostic theology is, I've never been much impressed by its assertions. They tried to paint an all-too-human face onto the processes of cosmic creation (birth and death, male and female, etc), and as such their theology is severly flawed at best. The belief that the material world is somehow flawed goes back to mankind's own deep-seated self-loathing. How imperfect we must have been to have been rejected by our own Creator, thrown kicking and screaming out of the light and into the terrifying darkness of the infinite Abyss. Somehow, I get the feeling that this wasn't the way things really began ;-)

Oh, and P.S. MONTALK! I'M CALLING YOU OUT! Yeah, I'm calling you out for a beer on Friday night. Drinks are on me, old buddy ;-)

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

15 (edited by thook 2005-10-01 22:32:29)

Re: Montalk, sorry, but I gotta call you out!

Krazor wrote:

The question from Barefoot Doc is intriquing. Could anything but somekind of diety hijack matter using the ego of man as a vector, or did this false god, whatever just create it. What? Is not the universe an absolute? No positive or negative sign. Just potential to do the improbable. The Logos was all I heard the greeks really put any stock in, and the rest was pablum for temple virgins. Human ego is already more than we humans can stand, it really colors the perception of time/space and holds the creation responsible for any and all problems we encounter. We deserve a break, we ain't done this before. We're gonna get it wrong a lot. But sometimes we get it right, and right in a big way, depends on your point of view. Being kind and gentle enough to domesticate animals was a breakthrough for humans. But some thought it a waste of food resources. I personally thought the breakthroughs that led to home brew was an outstanding developement. But that led to wild parties and litter. Hmmmm.  Think where we'd be without indoor plumbing! Say Doc, is a half-maker what we call a -tease-?  Aprogas had his finger on it when he pleaded for a little more gray between the dark and ultimate light. I think it's mostly various shades of everycolor, not much black and white stuff, and that the Creator wears heels and sequins and is happy to see me. ta.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dudes, me got mead! Apple mead! Organic, mostly! Made it meself!
That is to say, I would love to share it were ever a possibility! Cheers to you all for the insights and humor!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant