Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk (Page 17 of 24)

tenetnosce, how cool to interact with Keith!  I have enjoyed his work in writing, and the Flower of Life.  I'm hoping his wife Lyssa will channel more.  The times and info are changing.

Thanks for the summary.

It is easy to see that many NR members have a love and commitment for truth.  Better than all the best selling books.  So glad I've found you all.

And, what's wrong with that? 

Think about the bias here - you wouldn't be "concerned" if the moderator and others were so quick to label the book the best thing since sliced bread.   There would be no concern for you, because it's a positive comment, matching the positive feelings you yourself have for the book.

But you get miffed when the feedback doesn't match your p.o.v., or what you'd like to see.

Seriously, think about that for a second, think about what you're actually saying. 

And now say that montalk and I and others all liked this book, and heavily backed it and touted it here at Noble Realms.....you do realize that this would "concern" others who are against the book and know better.   

Just some food for thought.  You're saying that things are only okay when they're in agreement with you.   But there is such a thing called free speech you know...the right to an opposing viewpoint.   You're saying that if the viewpoint is in opposition to what you want to see that you're "concerned".......insinuating that you want that viewpoint to stop, now.

Also, keep in mind that this *IS* an anti-Gray thread, Jen.   It's quite evident in the title, and definitely from the opening post.   There's no beating around the bush here, nothing misleading.   I'm blunt, and to the point.   "SAY NO TO ABDUCTIONS.  SAY NO TO THE GRAYS."   This thread is my little "room" in the messageboard forum where these views can be spouted.  People who get miffed don't have to come into this room.   There are other rooms....they can even create a room for themselves to share THEIR view.    So I don't quite get someone who is pro-Gray getting miffed in a very obviously anti-Gray thread.    I mean, it's obvious what this thread is all about.    Honestly, we're not going to see eye to eye on this subject, there's no point in anybody trying to convince me to change my views on Grays and abductions......because that's not the point of the thread, I'm not here to debate, I'm just here to present my viewpoint on it....... and there are a few of us here who don't like or support some of the material you like.   It just is what it is.   Again, pro-Gray people may as well start their own thread.  This thread is to discuss the anti-New age point of view on the subject.

Forgot to add:

A.  Just because the moderator and others don't share your opinion doesn't mean that their opinion was derived "so quick."    Again, that's more flagrant bias.   Because if the moderator and others jumped all over the book, loving it, would you still label our opinions as being "so quick"  ?   Or would those quick opinions then be a good thing?

B.  The members of NR are teens and adults who can, and do, make up their own minds about whether to read something.   Give them some credit.   And again, if the moderator and others were heavily promoting the book, you'd have no worries about whether NR memberes were following the advise of the moderator and others.   In that instance, it would then be a good thing.

C.  The Montalk.net site is in itself anti-Gray and anti-abduction.   So why is it concerning when the moderator is keeping in tune with the rest of the website by not supporting this book?    It's not like a love n light pro-Gray, pro-abduction stance can be found anywhere on this site.   Most of this website is devoted to fighting the matrix illusion and the agents that work on behalf of it.....and that means Grays, Reps, aliens in general and the abduction phenomenon.    So I'm just not getting where you're coming from here, at all.   It's almost like you haven't realized that this entire site is anti-Gray or something.  Very odd.  I'm not trying to fight or start some kind of flame war or anything either, I'm just pointing out what I feel to be illogical oversights.   I may be a little blunt in doing so, but these are the things I noticed and thought as I read your posts. 

But you DID express problems with people not liking the book.  You got a little miffed at tenetnoche when he so much as questioned channeling, you said you were "concerned" about the the posting of a negative review of the book, and even said that our views were arrived at "so quick"...which is rather presumptuous.   But if that's not having problems with it, I don't know what is.   

Reasons were given......but you didn't feel they were detailed enough I suppose.  That aside, montalk did say that he was composing an annotated version of the book, to be posted in the files section soon.  So a very in-depth critique is on the way to satisfy all curious minds on the matter. 

Of course you'd be thrilled.  !   We wouldn't be having this conversation if the book review had been positive.

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Yup.  Which is why you're free to start your own thread about the subject, to be handled as you see fit.   !

Remember, earlier in the thread I expressed my total lack of desire to debate this subject, because the goal of this thread is not to debate, but to present the other side that we're not really seeing. I present my ideas, people can do with them what they will.  So if someone wants to talk about the other perspective, then they can always go start their own personalized thread to present it there.   I've learned a lesson recently...............to (TRY) not get sucked into debates and back and forth exchanges, going rounds with people who don't see things as I do.  There's no point.   It usually doesn't amount to much.   So this thread was meant to be the place for people to post that other viewpoint, in whatever form. 

I also suspect that by some of us attacking the Grays issue, you're taking it personally...?  You read our words, and it challenges you, your beliefs, your identity.  Your defense of the Gray issue might not be about the Grays so much as it's about your own identity wrapped up in it, I suspect.   But who knows, I could be wrong.   But I've gotten that "taking things personally" thing from you in other threads, which is why I'm thinking it may be going on here...?

Well, I'd be curious to hear what you feel it's mutated into.  ??   For the most part, I'm seeing people expressing their ideas on the matter.   (On a sidenote, I've enjoyed all of tenetnoche's comments in particular, he has lots of good things to say on the subject and is coming from a balanced perspective.  I admit my views are extreme, so his posts bring good balance to a highly polarized subject.) 

Secondly, to trivialize this thread as being nothing more than a "rant" thread considering all the intelligent, juicy, kick as posts it's received from so many people is nothing more than bias, and pretty ridiculous, imo.   You don't like the anti-Gray viewpoint being expressed here, and can't handle a thread that tramples on a sacred personal cow.   So now it's all just a "rant."   

Hahn?!    You've taken it upon yourself to make a decision  / conclusion (on behalf of everybody else on the forum) concerning *somebody else's thread*, mind you.....that this thread should possibly be moved....or even scrapped??   Then turn the "final decision" over to the moderator.    This thread was here before you even started posting to the forum.  You only just recently jumped into the discussion.

Wow.

I'll leave that for people to ponder.  At least I can say that I've never suggested that anybody scrap their thread.   Then, feign graciousness by turning the "final decision" over to the moderator.   What's THAT all about?

Well here, let me try taking a stab at it...!    You happen to be pro-Gray, which is fine....but you don't like seeing a thread that's anti-Gray / anti-abduction.   And you want it to stop, right now.  Claim what you will about supposedly not having problems with people not liking the book, but the SECOND the thread turned in that direction, here you are suggesting the thread be scrapped.  Wow. 

It's a bit control-freaky, wouldn't you say? !

If you can bottle all that passion Lyra . . . I'm sure I could sell it on QVC.  It might make a great power drink.

This is an interesting thread.  I am studying and learning more from each POV.

Personally I find the writing of Lyssa Royal to be accurate, insightful and irritating.  I see the domination in "Visitors from Within."  I hate being treated like that. 

The rebelion against the grays . . . maybe just what saves the grays after all.  Not their current agenda of rage, but surfacing emotion in the abducties for survival.  So even the grays  . . .  are anti-gray.  They need humanity to transform them with heart.  Then, eventually this heart will become love.  Through reincarnation they enter our cycles, and become us.

The NR posters are among the smartest people I've ever run into.  Many here are loving, but the intellect is even stronger.  Could this be a gift from those "Grays", Zeta's or other ET groups?  Is their influence among us here?

This is a good thread with many insightful posts and a nice dose of drama. Let's keep it going.

Regarding the book, I can tell that Lyssa and Keith have good intentions. They are not pushing the book as gospel and acknowledge that channeled material is a "take what resonates and leave the rest" affair. So all my opinions are directed towards the various sources speaking through Lyssa in this book.

The reason I said the text is polarizing is because its is just sophisticated enough to cut the bell curve in half: one half of the audience is pulled in by appearance, the other half repulsed by what lurks beneath. It's like David Blaine...some say he has superpowers, others know he is just a talented illusionist.

Now... if a piece of text is engineered by highly intelligent beings, whether aliens or military psyops, to exploit the most common weaknesses in human cognition, that text will win over a good chunk of the bell curve even if it's based on logical fallacies and manipulative language. If those who fall for it begin building their identity and emotional security upon this engineered belief system, eventually their vested interests will cause them to sacrifice the truth in order to maintain their illusions. So when someone comes along pointing out the flaws in reason, it is not just an attack against false logic, but a blow against ego, identity, and security. That is why such people will irrationally and violently defend lies when confronted, why the enlightened have been persecuted throughout history, and why the matrix can exert so much control over our species with so little effort.

Anyway, I believe that could be the case with "Visitors from Within." I'm still reading, of course, and advise anyone interested in this subject to download the book and make up your own minds. After I finish reading and pondering, I will go into more detailed backup.

Don't cork it. . ground it!