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Palomine:  I feel you are on the right path -- looking for answers -- even if in the opinions of others you sound as if you are blaming and are yourself blameless.  The first step to resolving something, I believe, is acknowledging that the situation is untenable. 

So -- read Alien Love Bite -- then figure out how YOU can proof yourself up against these types of attacks/situation.  There is a wealth of information on this forum about alien attacks and how others have coped with them.

What has worked for me -- and I too have a "story" -- is to figure out, dig deep as to WHAT is the lesson in this mess?  How can I and others gain from this?

Most often our BEST teachers are our "enemies"/petty tyrants/those that irritate us/cause us despair.  It is from them we can learn most about ourselves -- which in the end is of paramount importance.

Be well.
Christine

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Christine B. wrote:

What has worked for me -- and I too have a "story" -- is to figure out, dig deep as to WHAT is the lesson in this mess?  How can I and others gain from this?

Most often our BEST teachers are our "enemies"/petty tyrants/those that irritate us/cause us despair.  It is from them we can learn most about ourselves -- which in the end is of paramount importance.

Excellent advice, Christine, and I especially needed to read that last para. today! 

Thanks,
Jen

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I think I have already explained that my situation involves deliberate sabotage, not maladjustment, childhood issues or anything like that.
My wife was an informant, my roommates were informants, my "friends" were informants, and the information they gathered about me was used against me when possible. Just to give you an example, my roommate would ask me where I was going, and I would tell him, then there would be several agents waiting for me when I got there to harass me. Apparently, that message is not getting through very well to those of you who think it's all in my head. I'm talking about having your phone tapped, a GPS device placed in your car, being placed under surveillance in the "privacy" of your own home, having your employment opportunities sabotaged, having a slander campaign conducted against you in the community and much, much more. Thousands of people all over the world are cuttently being targeted by this covert war on dissidents. What is the "lesson" one learns from being targeted by a psychological warfare campaign conducted by a government intelligence agency? Not to express dissent? Not to write articles critical of the government? Then why don't we just drop the democracy facade and declare martial law right now. At least then, we would know where we stand. If I had known that expressing my opinion would result in becoming a victim of the covert war, maybe I wouldn't have been so outspoken. But as a newspaper reporter, I was taught that the First Amendment gave us the right to critize our government, including the CIA, the FBI, the Justice Department, the president and the military. But the fact is, it ruined my career and my life. Working on my own psychological problems has had no effect whatsoever, because I am  targeted by external forces, not internal ones. It's the same with UFO researchers. Many of them have been killed for pursuing that line of inquiry. Assassinations can be a little messy though, so sometimes they just select you as a target the covert war. For more information about the covert war on innocent, law-abiding citizens who have the audacity to speak out about the crimes committed by our so-called intelligence agencies, see stopcovertwar.com and eharassment.ca.

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There are no external forces. 

From The Book Of Secrets: 

Deepak Chopra wrote:

This embarrassing problem--that there is no way
to prove the existence of an outside world--undermines the entire basis of materialism. Thus we arrive at the second spiritual secret:

You are not in the world; the world is in you.

The only reason that rocks are solid is that the brain registers a flurry of electrical signals as touch; the only reason the sun shines is that the brain registers another flurry of electrical signals as light. There is no sunlight in my brain, whose interior remains as dark as the limestone cavern no matter how bright it is outside.

Having said that the whole world is created in me, I immediately realize that you could say the same thing. Are you in my dream or am I in yours - or are we all trapped in some bizarre combination of each other's personal
version of events? To me, this isn't a problem but the very heart of spirituality. Everyone is a creator. The mystery is how all these individual viewpoints somehow mesh,, so that your world and mine can harmonize, is the very thing that makes people seek spiritual answers.

If you chew on  this, palomine,  perhaps it will at least take your mind off your troubles...

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Did internal forces murder President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, John Lennon and all the other people who stood in the way of the New World Order? Was it all in their minds? Were their bullet wounds a figment of their own imaginations? I don't think so. But thanks for the advice.

51 Reply by Jen (edited by Jen 2005-10-19 13:05:20)

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palomine wrote:

Did internal forces murder President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, John Lennon and all the other people who stood in the way of the New World Order? Was it all in their minds? Were their bullet wounds a figment of their own imaginations? I don't think so. But thanks for the advice.

It wasn't "advice" so much as a new concept for you.  I do think it would be good for you to stop seeing yourself as the innocent victim of evil forces.   This, to me, is the main risk of conspiracist thought. 
If one does not have a firm grounding in spirituality and metaphysics, it can exacerbate the mindset of victimhood. 

Here's more for you to chew on, or not, from "The Individual And The Nature of Mass Events"  (a Seth book): 

Your world and everything in it exists first in the imagination. You
have been taught to focus all of your attention upon physical events, so that they carry the authenticity of reality for you.  Thoughts, feelings,
or beliefs appear to be secondary, subjective--or somehow not real--and they seem to arise in response to an already established field of physical data.

You usually think, for example, that your feelings about a given event are primarily reactions to the event itself. It seldom occurs to you that the feelings themselves might be primary, and that the particular event was somehow a response to your emotions,  rather than the other way around. The all-important matter of your focus is largely responsible for your intepretations of any event.

For an exercise, then, imagine for a while that the subjective world of
your thoughts, feelings, inner images and fantasies represents the 'bedrock reality' from which individual physical events emerge.  Look at the world for a change from the inside out, so to speak. Imagine that physical experience is somehow the materialization of your own subjective reality. Forget what you have learned about your reactions and stimuli. Ignore for a time everything you have believed and see your thoughts as the real events. Try to view normal physical occurrences as the concrete physical reactions in space and time to your own feelings and beliefs. For indeed your subjective world causes your physical experience.

This all ties in with the self-responsibility I keep talking about on this board,  and which is essential if we are to rise to the challenge of vibrating higher, into a new, safe,  probable world, where we no longer perceive ourselves as being at the mercy of any outside forces.

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This is a VERY interesting string of post's, I'd like to thank everyone for contributing!

I too think of meeting someone that I would be able to live with and be happy, and especially have that spiritual connection... etc.   But at this time I don't feel too bad, not having that someone with me now, especially since moving to 4D is such a difficult task, emotionally, physically, spiritually... etc, it does make it difficult, having a partner, no matter how you cut it.

I like Lyra's idea of asking, and even writing down exactly what you wish to have in another and then just let it go and not try to anticipate who will show up.   I DO think that will attract to you who you.... are really ready for.

I'm sure in the next 6 year's (or maybe after we go 4D), I'll easily meet that self-realized Pleiadian female....lol, and then of course live happily ever after.    But in real term's we DO have much coming in the near future that will  present us with many new opportunities, not to mention eventually meeting advanced civilization's.   Kind of makes you wonder where all that will take us?    And of course, if I remember correctly, the C's said that we'll go through a "rejuvination" and maybe even youth ourselves, so like you could be 25 for way long time...lol.   Which of course, will change much about all these ideas,... yet again.

So for everyone still looking.... the future is bright, thing's are getting better, 4D is the place to be.....!

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I'm going to chime in here and mention a couple of things that some folks might find useful. If anything else, they're just points to potentially consider regarding the relationship thing.

Number one - I'd encourage people to focus on the emotional/spiritual QUALITIES they'd like to attract in a partner, if they're setting intentions surrounding a relationship.  That one can be really helpful.  You'll often find that that "ideal" partner doesn't fit the "external package" (which can be the result of lifelong societal programming, anyway) that you have preprogrammed in your head. 

But if you focus on the energy qualities, the personal qualities, the spiritual awareness, the psychic capabilities that you'd like to discover in that partner, that can really allow your intentions to manifest perfectly.

So be flexible on the age thing, the height thing, the looks thing, the race thing, etc.  Those things have no importance whatsoever, anyway.  Focus on the way you'd like to FEEL with this partner, the energies you want to be able to play with and experience with that person, the lightness, the joy, the beauty of that.  It's more of a 4-D way of manifesting a great partner.

Then you can have TONS OF FUN when that person shows up! I've been blessed to experience allmost eight years of fun now with my partner, and the fun just keeps taking on more levels of multidimensionality and miraculousness. (If that's a word! smile And he turned out to be pretty on the outside as well as the inside, which was a surprise bonus.

Also - be prepared that there can be a lot of shadow stuff coming around to challenge you in the beginning as a couple.  Stuff from each of your pasts, stuff from your families of origin, astral negs trying to keep you apart, all manner of goop.  So it's important to be able to step into spiritual warrior mode and learn how to protect yourself, clear out your sphere of influence as as couple, and consecrate the energy you are creating as a team. Learn how to stop blaming your partner and start looking at the energy that is coming at you, trying to throw you off course. Learn how to blaze the love of a thousand suns from your heart to burn away the psychic interference. When you can summon that up on command, the negs start to back off.  They realize they can't separate you or drive a wedge between you.

I like to use the WonderTwins as my role model. Remember the WonderTwins? They were featured on the cheesy SuperFriends cartoon in the 70's. You had traditional superheroes on it like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc., and then there were the WonderTwins. They could do cool things together and would always say, "Wonder Twin powers, activate!" before manifesting cool things. 

You and your partner will need to develop certain survival and self-clearing/psychic protection talents together.  It helps if you are both inclined towards practicing and studying different healing modalities, especially those that allow you to obtain psychically derived information (so you can tune in together and discern what is really going on in a given situation.)  And being able to move energy around via "magical work," shamanic journeying, power prayer, hands-on energy work, and/or martial arts are also really important skills.

There are so many people like this out there. Don't live in a poverty of possibility.  I've been privileged to meet or connect with tens of thousands of seekers from all walks of life, people I wish I could gather together in one place so they could see they are NOT unique, they are NOT an anomaly, they are NOT alone.  Knowing this first-hand helped me to remain mellow when a spent a couple of years off the dating wagon and allowed myself to be detached and Zen about whether a relationship would happen or not. It was that willingness to happily be on my own, doing my own thing, while being fully engaged with life, that set up the right vibration for Mr. Right to turn up. 

Before Mr. Right could show up, I had to become Ms. Right.

Marianne Williamson used to teach a marvelous concept - maybe she still talks about this.  She said, if you want to find a soulmate, first make a list of the qualities you really crave in your partner, the things you really feel are essential. Visualize these energies and qualities really clearly.

Then, look at the list again, and WORK ON ATTAINING THESE QUALITIES WITHIN YOURSELF.

That's when, she said, you've set yourself on the path of meeting that wonderful person....when you YOURSELF are working to become that person. 

So internalizing that list and using it as a take-off point to inspire you to become a better, happier, and more highly vibrational person can be very good, too.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

  • Registered: 2005-10-11

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You can create this thing but by experience it may take you out of your comfort zone.......
You often times have to be willing to jump off a cliff, and with the most blazing passion on some level of your being, your reality will set things up for the experience, which is BTW never quite the way you imagined it would be.
Also I have found that certain types of manifestation seem to be painstakingly slow at happening.
What started as an inspired idea in my realm around 1995 is just now showing signs of becoming reality. Along the way, as it turns out I had to work many things out.
And, we are in a time when the external interferences have been turned up to the max to try and prevent people from becoming actualized. This translates to how our vital energies are sapped from too many fronts. The way we are taxed is but one simple reflection of the sumtotal.
Fringe dwellers seem to be scattered about.
Get on line.
It can happen.
You or your beloved may have to move locale, one to be with the other.
I can assure the whole thing will be bittersweet....
Just like life always is.

StarCat
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  • Registered: 2005-09-23

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I have been reading a book called The Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent which has been helpful to me in terms of understanding the process of manifestation.

I totally agree with the idea of focusing upon how you will FEEL when you actualize a desire.  The challenge for me has always been that some things seem to be to far out from what I am experiencing in the moment, that it is really difficult to make the leap from one state to another.  Sometimes the gap is just too big to do it and still have a genuine feeling.

This book outlines a process whereby you take gradual steps in getting from here to there.

It begins with the awareness that, on a spiritual level, everything you ask for is granted instantaneously, and is held for you in a sort of spiritual escrow account, waiting for you to claim it.  How you claim it is by matching the vibration, or feeling, of experiencing your desire.

So let's say you would like to manifest your soulmate (or perhaps better a soulmate) to be your life partner.  But your life experience up until this point has only brought you disappointment and frustration.  It's really difficult to make yourself feel as if you have it, when everything you know indicates differently.  Rather than attempting to make the leap all at once, you can cut it up into smaller, more acceptable beliefs, that increasingly approach the feeling of manifestation.  The goal is to create within yourself greater and greater degrees of relief concerning the manifestation of your desire. 

DESIRE:  I desire to be in a committed relationship with my soulmate.

BELIEF:  Relationships have been so difficult for me. Nobody really understands me.  I just don't fit in with this world.  Maybe I was just meant to be alone. 

BELIEF:  I have found some moments of joy in my previous relationships, however fleeting they may have been.  There are people I have talked to that seem to understand where I am coming from.  Probably a lot of people feel the same sense of alienation as me, they just don't talk about it.  Nobody is really meant to be alone.

BELIEF:  With the right person, a relationship would be very easy and natural.  I am a good communicator, I just need to find somebody who is willing to take the time to listen to what I have to say.  After all, I am here in the world, so something about it must fit my beliefs and values.  Surely there is somebody out there for me.

BELIEF:  Relationships should be easy and natural; my past experiences have served me well to prepare for the arrival of the love of my life.  I know that I am a great person, and there are a lot of things I've discovered about myself that are really valuable.  I really have a lot to offer the world!  I'm excited to finally meet somebody who is ready to join me on this journey!

BELIEF:  The past is meaningless, all that matters is my intents and desires in this moment.  How great it will be to have a partner in life that understands me on a very deep level!  I know myself well enough now to be able to truly share myself with another person.  I deserve this relationship and I am ready!  Bring it on!

Get the idea??

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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Tenetnosce,

Thanks for your incredible post !

A teacher once shared with me that the trick is to manifesting anything is to do just as you describe...gradually work yourself to the point where you can accomodate a greater and greater "belief" in the thing you wish to manifest....and the key he spoke of was:

"At the exact point where your belief switches over into 51% yes vs. 49% no about something, what you seek will begin to manifest."

So for instance if right now you are stuck in the vibration or belief that a soulmate relationship will never happen, and 80% of your belief is NO it can never happen, that means that only 20% of your energy is free and available to experience a good relationship. And that's not enough.

Through gathering good experiences like talking with friends, spending time with loving family members, or emailing Net pen pals who are of a like mind, you might be able to INCREASE your belief that a soulmate relationship is possible.  So maybe that belief percentage gradually shifts, and now 60% of your energy is invested in the belief that a soulmate relationship is impossible while 40% believes that it IS possible. You now have more momentum and leverage to start tipping the scale more towards the positive, because you're almost there.

So from there you'd work on accumulating events and feelings that help you to be at least 51% invested in the belief that a soulmate relationship is possible. And that's when cool things will start to manifest surrounding/supporting that positive belief.

The same technique is true when you wish to manifest anything.Focus on increasing your percentage of belief, shifting the majority of your vibration towards a positive belief about something. 

It works with money. Maybe it's hard to believe you're going to be a millionaire from where you're currently sitting, but is an extra 100$ or 1000$ that hard to manifest?

I've grown very good at manifesting $1000 or more when I play slot machines in Atlantic City or Reno.  I've won $1000 or more in one go on about four separate occasions. Last year I won about $1800. 

As I stood there in the casino in a positive, abundant, space, I realized how ABSTRACT money is. It's all just numbers or blips floating at you through the air. I had this eerie flashback to the Matrix movies and how the one guy sits up on the ship while the others enter the Matrix, and he's just looking at that steady stream of numbers which he is able to interpret as scenes, events, and locations because he has cracked the code.

EVERYTHING is just a stream of data or vibrations. To manifest something, we need to increase our capacity to RECEIVE the vibrations or data we seek. 

Shifting our belief more towards the positive anticipation of something manifesting instead of the negative perception of "impossibility" allows it to manifest.

And just being 51% positive about something vs. 49% negative can create a HUGE difference in the circumstances of your life. Then, as you get better at manifesting, the BIGGER stuff (more money, more health, more rewarding relationships) start to roll in, because you're accustomed to receiving good or positive vibrations.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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Re: Dare I say. . . relationship?

Following text taken from Far Journeys posted by montalk in http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3034. Seems to have some correlation to this topic.

There it was–an experimental Modified Fourth Crop unit, one of
those that contained a Piece of Himself in its functional pattern. It was
standing alone under the leafy upper portion of a large Second Crop unit.
It was not "hungry." It was not in Conflict with another Fourth Crop
unit. It was not acting in defense of its "young." Then why did it emanate
distilled Loosh in such great quantity?

Someone moved closer. His perception entered into the Modified
Fourth Crop unit and then he knew. The unit was lonely! It was this
effect that produced distilled Loosh.

...

The balance of the story is well known. Someone included the fundamental
in his formula: ". . . The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is
brought forth in Type 4M units by the action of unfulfillment, but only if
such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of
the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the
output of Loosh distillate. . . ."

To put the formula into effect, Someone designed subtle changes in his
Garden, all of them familiar to every historian. The splitting of all Crop
units into Halves (to engender loneliness as they sought to reunite) and
the encouragement of dominance of the Type 4M unit are but two of the
most noteworthy innovations.

It seems to me that if They can't get at you directly for whatever reason, They will attack you through the people you are closest to. They could orchestrate a seemingly perfect relationship, or take an already existing one, a taste of fulfilment and happiness... and then take it all away through control of the more spiritually ignorant partner. But how can you wake them up?! This could be avoided if both were 'aware', but that's like two needles trying to find each other in a haystack... Out of all the people I know in person right now, only one of them is remotely waking up to this other world, just 1, but blatantly encountering heavy resistance. Anyway the 'taster' process (necessary because They would require real feelings, not superficial 'wanting', and you cannot truly want what you have not truly had) could take very little time, probably a few weeks at least, but the after effects of the break-up (which could be drawn out for months for maximum devastation) would turn anyone into a very efficient 'loosh' factory for months, years or longer, bleeding through into other areas of their life and leaving them drained and open to manipulation. All the loss, loneliness and longing would be quite a feast. When you lose a limb, you bleed. Seems bleak, but maybe one example of this is why some people, myself included, are perpetually close but no cigar, even though we're not THAT bad. wink It's just enough to keep us unfulfilled and lonely, distracted, and thus controlled. How beautifully efficient?

The emotional pain I feel from unfulfilled/unfulfillable desire goes away, or atleast is made less painful and changing into something not so language or image based, by being completely in the moment. Desire by its very nature is not of the moment, for wishing for something in the future always leaves part of me stuck in my imaginary future, and desiring to re-live the past leaves part of me trapped in my subjective memory of the past. When I think about all the time I've spent daydreaming about nostalgic things and happy memories, or all the energy spent being in-love with someone who doesn't feel the same, it seems such a waste... Distraction is control, and when you're thinking about somebody/something/anything 24/7, you're definately distracted.

Anyway, what I'm getting at here is it might be a living hell and we might be feeding negative hyperdimensional beings, but this whole relationship thing is a powerful learning experience that we can gain a lot from. I know that all my 'failed' attempts have taught me much. With a splash of masochism it can even be fun!

But...I was wondering, would any of you advocate the destruction, release or transformation of your feelings for another person in some way through sheer force of will? And if so, how do you do go about it? This interests me because it is like reprogramming yourself and could solve all internal problems, but I guess some people might think it is harmful or unnatural. For example, do you wish you have something but you can't have it? Simply stop wanting it! But how? Where do these feelings of attraction come from? I have never consciously made the decision to feel like I do for somebody, it just happens. But surely I _can_ choose to end them? Or atleast use some sort of mental catalyst to help speed up the time it takes to naturally work its way through my system. But if I try to suppress or hurry away my feelings, it takes longer for them to naturally cease and release. The only other option I can think of is transforming the feelings into something less self-obsessed and more unconditional, and not expecting, needing or wanting anything in return, and not becoming upset because it doesn't go exactly how I want, which is what I've been trying to do to get over my 'distraction'. I don't even try to manifest my own reality anymore because who am I to choose? I agree with what has been said on this ^above^ and I know it works, but I'd rather the will of the universe be mine, than force my will upon the universe, if that makes sense... I can still create my own 'internal' reality by how I react to the 'external' one. You don't really miss out anything anyway, because everything that never existed exists in non-existence! These are my immediate thoughts on the subject, I hope it helps/is relevant.

-T

58 Reply by heandras (edited by heandras 2006-04-06 13:41:14)

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Inspiring thoughts have been posted. The whole topic reminded me of the passage from Far Journeys #endgame posted, too.
I think there are two different ways to approach life/creation and therefore two possible outcomes of reality creation. From my experience, negative influences have a possibility to kick in, if I try to get something out of life. When my desire is, to bring some of my personal being and creativity into creation, things work out fine. Everytime I felt an inner void and demanded that Universe delivers something to fill it, things only became worse on the long run if the desire was delivered. On the other hand, if I felt inner abundance and wished to experience a possibility to express that inner abundance trough any action, the outcome was better than imagined before. I experienced that through many episodes in my life. Obviously this also has something to do with an STS/STO approach to life.
Relationships are a very special field. Society is programming us towards the mindset that one can only be happy if one is in a (sexual) relationship. And perhaps the programming goes much deeper – installed by someone from somewhere into human genetics to extract loosh. So it is tricky to manifest a relationship out of a feeling of abundance with the intent to bring more abundance into creation itself when you’ve got the programming inside that you utterly need a "lover" . I really like the step-by-step technique Tenetnosce presented.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.
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  • Registered: 2005-06-09

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thank you ALL so much this thread is wonderful!

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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  • Registered: 2005-09-23

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Um. . . *scratches head* yikes

Natural Mystic, I'm -very- interested to know what prompted you to read/comment on this thread.

Curious timing. . .

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.